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Jaimito Cartero
07-05-05, 13:46
I ordered a gorgeous 10 called Barbie from one of the websites (Cannot remember which one) Her face was covered but she had a smoking body. This is the girl who showed up at my hotel. She was clearly not the same girl and I was faced with a "bait and switch" scam. I have come to the conclusion that this practice is common in Argentina.

I could have sent her back but decided to take "Barbie" in anyway. Still not the perfect escort but a wonderful experience nonetheless. She was happy to offer BBBJ and allowed me to F*** her mouth. Once again, I cannot really complain about the service though this girl was on the clock and was clearly not going to stay beyond the purchased hour. She cost me either 150 or 200 pesos. Cannot rememebr which.Don't remember the website. Don't remember the price. Are you sure she didn't drug you or something? I'm pretty liberal with chicas, but this one looks (looks wise) worse than the 50 peso an hour chica I screwed. You're only empowering these places to rip off the next guy when you allow them to scam you like this.

TheCatsMeow
07-06-05, 01:08
Jaimito,

Is it so important for you to know whether the gig cost 150 peso or 200 pesos? You call enough of these agencies in BA and you realize that the going rate is in the 150-200 pesos per hour range (Around 50-70 USD) Is a 20USD spread such a big deal that it merits this kind of derogatory response? I can only imagine what you ended up with for 50 pesos per hour but each to his own.

Regarding the website, Jackson has been kind enough to provide us with a long list of Argentinian websites. Too many for me to relocate the ad in question without reviewing each one. That is a little too much effort but if I come across the ad / site again I will certainly post the information as a courtesy to my fellow members. Suffice for now to say that it was NOT one of the member recommended sites.

The lesson learned, of course, is that any site that posts photos of Playboy class girls should be approached with caution, especially when the quoted rate is low. Common sense really but a lesson that cost me 150-200 pesos to re-learn.

The Cats Meow

Jaimito Cartero
07-06-05, 03:41
Is it so important for you to know whether the gig cost 150 peso or 200 pesos?The point I was making is that if you can't remember the same day, or a day later then it's almost pointless to post the info.

You bring up the point that you were bait and switched. This is the type of info that all the guys coming to BA really needs. However, with the scarcity of actual details in your post, it becomes almost worthless.

I congratulate you on taking pictures. Most people don't, so it's very nice to have such details. I can tell you that if you pay a chica 200 pesos once, that then becomes the minimum pricing. Try giving 150 pesos to a girl that charges 200 pesos, and you're apt to have problems. When members post a detailed report, with all the pertinent info it really helps everyone.

Daddy Rulz
07-06-05, 04:41
Cat it's not a U$S20.00 spread it's a 50 peso spread. Anything produced and consumed in Argentina must be evaluated in Pesos, with a Peso having close to the spending power of a Dollar in the States. This casual disregard for the value of a Peso I think is one of the larger forces driving inflation for tourists. 50 pesos is two weeks groceries bro. You may not think it's much now but when you return in a year or two and that same girl is 300 Pesos and a really hot one is 500 then you will feel the pain.

Hunt99
07-06-05, 10:57
50 pesos is one highball at my favorite bar in Chicago. It's 1/70th of the cost of your plane ticket to Buenos Aires from the States. It's 2 hours in your four-star Argentine hotel.

It's not worth getting pissy about, that's for sure.

Capt Dave
07-06-05, 11:56
Hey guys.

It is redundent to have to say this again, but apparently I do!

I know that to a visitor the difference of 15 or 20 dollars seems like a small price to pay, but to those of us who live here it is VERY significant. If you remember Chicaland Law #7 (http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=345471&postcount=5) that becomes her new price.

For those visiting here, this represents mearly a few hundred dollars in the cost of your trip, but to us who want to do this every day it raises our annual pussy expenses by thousands, or even tens of thousands of pesos (365x$50=$18,250)

The obligation you visitors have to us, and especially to Jackson, is to not use the information you are obtaining here and reward us by pissing in our pond!

And, MOST IMPORTANTLY, you need to remember that women, especially Latin women, DO NOT RESPECT a man who lets them push him around. You will NOT get a better session because you overpaid, and may very likely get an inferior one. DON'T BE A CHUMP!

That being said, this IS the photo section, so here's one!

Jaimito Cartero
07-06-05, 14:29
50 pesos is one highball at my favorite bar in Chicago. It's 1/70th of the cost of your plane ticket to Buenos Aires from the States. It's 2 hours in your four-star Argentine hotel.

It's not worth getting pissy about, that's for sure.Are we talking about Chicago? This is as stupid an argument as I've seen here lately comparing US / Argentina pricing. You're not in Chicago. You're not in DC. We're talking about Argentina.

Say you're a "Goober" Mickey Mouse (I'll use him for his "volume" chica use) You come for 5 days. You see 4 chicas per day. You are a goober and pay whatever the chica asks.

First day, you pay the $200 pesos for each chica. 800 pesos or at *least* 200 pesos more than you should.

Second day, all the chicas from the previous day have talked to the LCN and told them you're a sucker. So then, all the girls pretend they work at Madahos and want 300 pesos. Being the doe eyed mark that "Goober" is, he pays it. So you've now payed 600 peso at least over the norm for today. 800 pesos down the tube total.

Now Goober is starting to run low on funds and has to get a cash advance. A few of the chicas bring up the dreaded "S" word, but luckily you were low on cash, and got out of it.

Goober decides that 300 is the most he'll pay, which while the chicas complain that their rent is due, and ask for 50 pesos for the taxi ("Mi amor, es muy lejo por mi casa") you buckle down and only give her 30 pesos. So the third day is coming in at 1320 pesos. Just 720 pesos over the average, and 1520 pesos over the max you should have paid.

Just add the same in over the next two days, and say two of the chicas got you go "shopping" and that costs you another 600 pesos. Add the two more days of 720 pesos overpayment each, and for 5 days, you've crapped away about 3500 pesos. This is just the amount you overpayed. Just slightly more than a precious drink.

This all comes down to proving accurate information. As it has been displayed in living color here, there is serious price creep going on. $20 today is $50 tomorrow and $100 next month. If you wish to pay as much as you want, please go somewhere else.

Jaimito Cartero
07-06-05, 14:40
For those visiting here, this represents mearly a few hundred dollars in the cost of your trip, but to us who want to do this every day it raises our annual pussy expenses by thousands, or even tens of thousands of pesos (365x$50=$18,250)

The obligation you visitors have to us, and especially to Jackson, is to not use the information you are obtaining here and reward us by pissing in our pond!

And, MOST IMPORTANTLY, you need to remember that women, especially Latin women, DO NOT RESPECT a man who lets them push him around. You will NOT get a better session because you overpaid, and may very likely get an inferior one. DON'T BE A CHUMP!This is quite true, and for guys who make a ton of money and stay a week, they don't seem to care if they piss in your pond or not. It's all about them, it seems.

I do have one problem with your picture. She has clothes on!:)

Here's one from Catto's. Inverted nipples. Yummm.

TheCatsMeow
07-06-05, 21:10
All,

I accept the argument that visitors can contribute to price inflation, potentially making life more difficult for locals. After all, price is set by supply and demand and more visitors means more demand. It is also true that visitors are more likely to get taken since they are not familiar with local customs and prices. Hence the value of this site.

My experience in Buenos Aires was that I called a number of the websites and providers listed in the "Escort Websites" section. I speak enough Spanish to ask for services, prices and girl descriptions. I happen to think that the surest way to experience price inflation is to speak English when ordering service in a non-English speaking country. The lowest price quoted to me was 100 pesos per hour whilst the highest quoted was 300 pesos per hour. I ordered two girls in the 150 peso - 200 peso per hour range based on a number of factors of which price was only one.

I do not think it is fair to characterize this type of behavior as causing inflation for the guys who live in BA on a permanent basis. My only error- if you could call it that- was to accept a girl who was clearly not the same one as posted on a website. I could have sent her packing with 10 pesos for the taxi but it was my decision to keep her. And I certainly did not regret the experience or the decision.

Perhaps I should have haggled over price when I called the agencies but nowhere did I read that this was a common practice in BA.

The Cats Meow

Snowbird
07-07-05, 01:10
This has been said so many ways before but I will bore you. It is only ten pesos, fifteen pesos, twenty pesos, thirty pesos, fifty pesos, one hundred pesos. Why would anyone pay six dollars for a slice of pizza at the airport and then at the local mall where it is two dollars say well I paid six dollars at the airport so I will pay that here. Pay only what the locals pay or as close to it as possible. DO NOT OVERPAY JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE ON VACATION. If the local call girl you see in the states charges $250 US for an hour do not think you need to pay that in BA. Pay what the locals pay. If we all walk away when we are being gouged they will not try it. Once we except price creep it will go from 10, to 20, to 30, to 40, to 50, to 100 peso's!

DO NOT OVERPAY! There are girls on the board that the going rate is now 200AR. When I first came to the area it was 150AR. That is only over a year ago. When you see two a day and are here for ten days that adds up. The most important thing to remember is that the additional money brings you absolutely NOTHING other than a lighter wallet. Therefore I follow Dickhead and pay the price he pays. He knows the value of a peso. I will not break the "Dickhead" value rule. If you continue to do so we will be forced to ban you from the country unless you only go to Black's.

Knuckhead
07-07-05, 01:48
But so is your choice to say "no".

Just recently, not one, but two of my favoritas asked for an hourly rate of AR$200. I see plenty of chicas for that price, but the problem was, that in the last three visits these same two favoritas had asked for and received $150 each time.

I happen to believe that once a monger establishes a given price with any specific girl, then both he and the chica should respect this for future meetings. It would be unfair (and unpleasant) for the monger to ask for a lower price, just as it is unfair and uncalled for for the chica to demand a higher premium from her "established" customers.

As Captain Dave aptly put it, it is a matter of respect, and respect must be mutual. Once a chica does not respect you, then the service is bound to suffer. For this reason, after gently reminding both chicas that they were asking for a higher amount than our established price, I gingerly gave them a choice: we could continue on with our established price, or that I would gladly pay them the AR$200 now, but that our future visits would become uncertain.

The response? "Ah. You gringo! What is an extra $15 to you?". Well, in reality, nothing, but where is the respect? To me, it is the same as the chica turning her passionate, kissing, BBBJ session into a clinical, no-kiss, CBJ session over time. Naturally, I chose not to see them any more.

Also, one should never forget the local guy. By that I do not mean the resident ex-pat, rather, the local, homegrown fellows. It is essentially on his back that we are able to enjoy excellent quality sex at the above price range. Mind you, the going rate for an escort here in SP is about $300 an hour. Why is it so? Because mongers primarily playing in the SP will pay that price! How would you feel if over a matter of years, a significant number of wealthy tourists would visit and pay $500 an hour (I know, it is sad, isn't it?) That would mean that your favorite escort would rather be with a tourist than you, as the tourist will pay her significantly more. The same applies to the local Argentine guy who has to compete with us.

Gandolf50
07-14-05, 02:46
Hey guys, in the suburbs it is only 100p to 120p per hour including the room. Once you get to know the lady the meet you for HOURS for the same 100p or many spend the night. You guys are talking 150 to 200p plus the cost of a room? Why our up to 250 p or more? Loads of nice places in San Miquel and Tigre!

Dickhead
07-14-05, 03:06
Yeah? So where are these places? Just saying there are a lot of nice places in San Miguel and Tigre is not too helpful. Why don't you start a section for places in the suburbs? I'd be interested.

Andres
07-16-05, 22:54
These 2 suburbian towns have their pros and cons related to nightlife.

Pros:

- They are cheaper.

- Many times, quality of service / price ratio is high.

Cons:

- They are located VERY far from downtown. Tigre and SM are at least 30 km away from Buenos Aires and 30-45 minute ride, making remise / taxi fares very steep.

- Boliches are not located one next to the other as in the Triangle, but several kilometers away, which hinders club hopping.

- As 2 "provincial" districs, security becomes a serious issue. It scares when you have to walk the areas around these suburbian boliches, something that doesn't happen in Recoleta.

- Scarcity of transportation makes it difficult to find a taxi / remise on the way back home.

- Being these clubs much cheaper than Recoleta ones, the decoration and setup of these boliches may look grim. Most of them don't get better than Dollys in Flores.

- As I mentioned in previous "warning" postings related to Clarin articles, San Miguel has many clubs that either host minors or force them into the hobby, thus creating a risky situation for a police bust.

- Many times, prices are so cheap that girls treat customers as "serial wieners" (fast, subpar service, even with a tip)

- NO English at all.

If you want names, there are 2 or 3 close to Ruta 8 in San Miguel ("Imagine", if already open, "El Japonés", etc)

My advice: If you are a local, try them sparingly and assess you results. If you are in BA for a short time, don't waste your time there.

Hope this helps,

Andres

Exon123
07-16-05, 23:32
Thanks For The Informatiom.

Good report

Dickhead
07-17-05, 04:21
The cons appear to outweigh the pros. However, still better than the USA, where all the pros are cons, if you get my drift. I don't see where "no English at all" is a con, though. It's probably a pro based on my experience.

Andres
07-17-05, 16:03
DH:

For people like you and me, it is an advantage to find "non-English speaking places" since they do not charge tourist prices and provide better service, but my comment is focused on the average visitor to BA who barely speaks Spanish and may find it difficult to ask for a cab back to "civilization" or to solve any misunderstanding with prices.

Cheers,

Andres.

Dickhead
07-22-05, 20:49
Capn Dave and I were talking last night and we have decided that not only is pussy in BA a commodity, but it is not even a scarce commodity. I compared it to aluminum. We think that given a minimum wage of 610 pesos a month and a low cost of living in dollar terms, paying 150 pesos is too much. I have not paid 150 pesos since I nixed my first favorita almost a year ago and trust me, I am getting plenty of very good pussy. 100 pesos is a lot of money here. I can eat for three weeks on that amount.

Think about this: If you give chica X a Y amount of pesos, and she agrees to see you again, then Y is enough. Cristina from Catto's and Suzy from Ness complained about receiving 130-140 pesos but they both gave me their numbers, fucked me again, and provided good service. Similarly Marisa from Jaz eyed my 130 pesos askance but then gave me her number and asked, nay almost begged, for a repeat session.

Those gals are great and that is the high end of the range. 100 pesos to fuck a gal like Prisila or Andrea in Suipacha 921 is a good deal and you can bring them some chocolate for 40 centavos and further enhance the experience. Or fuck Pandora for 120 pesos. If you don't like fucking Pandora you are queer for sure.

Or you can go to Black and get a gal who thinks her shit don't stink for 435 pesos once you get done with drinks and bullshit. The choice is yours. As Exon says, "Any idiot can spend money." Oh wait a minute; he stole that line from me but he has been using it for so long now he thinks it's his.

One time recently I was getting ready to leave with Cristina and she said, "Toro this guy just walked in who is from Spain and he will give me 100 Euros. I will go with you cuz I said I would but if you let me go with him tonight I will go with you next time for whatever you want to give me and you can come all over my tits." I said, "Cris, you let me come all over your tits or in your mouth or wherever I want to anyway so why are you saying this?" She laughed and said, "I just want you to know that you can do whatever you want with me and I'd appreciate it if you let me go with this guy right now." So, I fucked Rosie instead and gave her 120 pesos and she was happy and a few days later I fucked Cris and when we were done I reminded her of what she had said and she said 100 pesos would be fine. I gave her 125 and told her I was not the type to take advantage of a situation. She appreciated that. Then she asked me if I would give her 150 pesos next time and I said NO.

200 pesos and 300 pesos and so forth is just plain ludicrous.

Capt Dave
07-22-05, 22:16
Gentlemen.

I just spent a lovely 40 minute session with 2 neighborhood girls for 30 pesos each, of which they got 40% They wanked and sucked and giggled the whole time for FOUR DOLLARS each!

In Cordoba, I had several sessions in apartments where 20 minutes was 15 pesos, and 1/2 hour was 20. Those little girls would get nekkid and spred 'em for TWO BUCKS, and smile the whole time if you just made them laugh a little!

You guys are buying rice in China for the price of truffles in New York.

Be polite but firm, and try to remember that Latin women (actually women anywhere) DO NOT RESPECT MEN THEY CAN PUSH AROUND!

American men are so pussy whipped they have forgotton how to be firm with a woman without being rude or impolite.

I PROMISE you will have more fun with a girl who thinks you are a man then some silly little chippie who mananges to convince you that a few minutes with her pussy is worth a weeks wages.

You are in charge!

You have money, which is in short supply, she has nothing but pussy which is something that half the goddamn world has, for Christ's sake!

Sheesh!

Jaimito Cartero
07-23-05, 05:30
200 pesos and 300 pesos and so forth is just plain ludicrous.Hey, but that's just the price of a highball or two in some yuppified Cigar bar in Chicago. You should give these poor chicas 300 or more pesos a session, right?

Personally, I'd like to go with Captain Dave to some of these lower end places. It's not just the money, but the adventure aspect of it.

Exon123
07-24-05, 22:26
I'm putting this in the Management section because Carolina is Un-Manageable.

Day before yesterday I did a TLN with Marisol and frankly she took all my sperm and I needed to re-build my count up.

Capt. Dave and a dinner arrainged with some regular girls to go out to dinner with Diego. Well I called Carolina up, (she'd been calling the house all day for me) and asked her to join us for dinner.

Well she got here and immedantly attempted to Blow me in the T. V. Room. Well I wasn't going to put up with that shit and told her Sexo after dinner not before. Like you've got to finnish your dinner before you get desert.

Well all I got was pissing & moning all night at dinner so I sent her home with No Sexo and of course no sperm, now Ive re-build my sperm count up to a normal level.

Exon

Dickhead
07-24-05, 23:01
Why don't you tell that chica to get her ass down the road? Oh, I know why; you don't want her to have to make three or four trips.

Capt Dave
07-25-05, 02:20
Jaimito.

I'm not sure how "lower end" a place is when you can find a girl like this little Brazilian who will screw you silly for 50 pesos (incall) or 60 pesos (outcall)

David

Dickhead
07-25-05, 03:59
Oh and by the way, Exon, the reason women have two sets of lips is so they can piss and moan at the same time. Ha ha. Have a good flight back. Also re any places in Tigre, the train runs pretty late from Tigre to Retiro. The last train leaves Tigre around 11:30 and the train fare is only 1.10 pesos. So if someone like Gandolf50 wants to post about some privados in Tigre I will take the train out there and check them out. Fuck Remises and I will walk around Tigre. Not so sure about San Miguel. Worst they can do is kill me and if I don't like the selection there I will take the train back to Vicente López and fuck Capn Dave's Brazilian or this Sheyla that another monger recommended. Capn says the VL place is 24-7 and I can take the #39 bus back home for 80 centavos. Value = quality / price. I've had good (Paraguayan) pussy in downtown BA for 40 pesos although I have also walked out of a few places too.

Jaimito Cartero
07-25-05, 05:02
Jaimito.

I'm not sure how "lower end" a place is when you can find a girl like this little Brazilian who will screw you silly for 50 pesos (incall) or 60 pesos (outcall)

DavidYeah, as we all know, price doesn't always equate looks or service. I'll be in Brazil in about a month, so perhaps I'll get to see some of her "friends".

Exon123
07-25-05, 10:22
Why don't you tell that chica to get her ass down the road? Oh, I know why; you don't want her to have to make three or four trips.Ive simply Fucking Had It with her DickHead. She's just to much of a Republican to Fuck.

Now don't get me wrong, I love Fucking Republicans but Carolina is not a "George Bush" type of Republican. She's a Punta Republican and thats the worst kind.

She piss's and mones about everything, then gives me that shit "I Love You Exon'

I'm not Fucking Her Again.

Exon.

P. S. I'm going home to sex prison. -- Fuck

Strad
07-25-05, 12:53
Please forgive my English.

Friday: Meddy

I asked for "Meccela and they sent "Meddy". Da'hell. That's okay, they were all blind date, in anyway. Out of my expectations, I had very pleasant time with Meddy. He other night, when I was hanging out in Asia de Cuba, I made acquaintance with some Argentinians guys who were also drinking at the bar. The guy said that his knows a girl, Meccelar is the name, and gave me Meccela's number and told me I can fuck her for just a 100 pesos! Tonight, I decided to risk my investment, and see how it can go wrong with my 100 pesos!

Meddy is from Paraguay, lovely face, no more than 5f tall, great tits, curly bleached blonde, and pure white skin. Her great attitude started at my door way. She throw herself in to my arms with some fabulous tongue kissing. Did my look effected her? I've got no idea. After all the chit chat, offering a soft drink, and sharing a smoke, things got kinda shaky because she obviously asked for more money and I refused to pay more than what I had budgeted. My limited spanish was totally not qualified for such negotiation, so Meddy called a friend who was able to speak english for both of us. After we had settled for A$are 100 plus her taxi A$are 10, she was all sunny again. I wanted the whole thing to go slow, kind of wanted to enjoy my first activity in my own place, so I took charge by dimmed the lights, put some music on. We stripped each others clothes slowly piece by piece, and Meddy went alone with that very well. We stroked each other at first, then accompanied with 100% DFK, BBBJ* enjoyment from her. I finger fucked her, which had her come 3 times. As I went down on her while we performed 69, her v did not seemed to be smelly at all, she seemed very clean down there, I believe all the smelly pusses have some kind of infections due the intercourses. I wasn't sure if my next door neighbor can hear us, but certainly she was a loud moaner, so out of control that in one point, her body gestured that I can fuck her anytime, even I did not wear a rubber! I told her I do not wish to fuck her, to her that was a shock and disbelieve, and I said to her if I fuck her, she needs to give me 50 pesos (of course, it was a joke I immediately realized not funny at all) I was too lazy to fuck at that night, well. I unloaded myself on her boobs and her chin area instead. One hour quickly came by, as the encore continued, we both lying on bed, shared our final cigarette offered out of her hand.

Over all, my thumbs up for Meddy's full effort performances in DFK, BBBJ and the rest, the experience was great. Now I have found the condoms she must had forgotten, and a note pad with two girls phone numbers, let's see what I can do next.

Saturday: Masha

A day trip back from Uruguay, got in back my place late. I figured to give Alicia a call and see what other stunning girls she has got in her sleeves. She told me they are closed for the weekends, none of her girl is working! Just when I was getting very disappointed, she called me back and said that Marsha, from Moscow is available to see me. Acted as her regular already, we made sure the fee stays at A$R100 and another 10 tip for the taxi.

Masha I believe who was in her 30's, a sweet pumpkin, got a nice face, big boobs, although none of us understand each other's language, she was quite talkative. As she giggled, jumped into the bed, she performed a lot of DFK, HJ, and a top grade BBBJ. Somehow, I got the impression that she tried to avoid getting too much aroused on her own. She wanted to take in charge on focusing my pleasure which was wonderful! As a habit before the final thrust, I would like to take a smoke break during the session. To my surprise, she offered me massage while I was smoking! O. M. G. That was unbelievable, she bought the cream and baby oil with her! Compounded with both formulas, the effect was incredible. She began with her hands, then her boobs, and then her tongue for the soft touch, that sensation was even better than those girls in the massage parlors!

These girls are far more than professional, always with good smile and great attitude. Life is good, no complains!

Darien
09-19-05, 16:55
My current experience in September 2005 is that the standard price for good looking chicas in the different web sites (platynum, bairesgirls, etc.) is in the range from AR$100-Ar$150 for 1 to 1.5 hours for full service (bbbj included). The cola, some girls do and some do not.

If you are paying more than that, then you are overpaying.

Some girls will try to stick to a higher price if they know you are a foreigner (example Roxanne calling for you). My advice: (a) do not negotiate, (b) tell the chica what you are willing to give her as a gift and (c) move on if she continue to ask for a higher price. After all, the chica is thinking you are stupid enough to pay the higher price. Move on and call another good looking girl. Most of them will agree to a gift of $100-$150 pesos.

Saludos,

Darien

Geo Eye
09-19-05, 19:04
Darian,

I think Roxanne provides a good service, she knows the girls.

And for those folks who do not speak spanish, it is a welcome valuable service.

Just my opinion.

Geo

Darien
09-20-05, 02:06
To the membership:

My apologies, I should have not mentioned any names in my previous post "Gift Update" in this section.

The person mentioned in the post has nothing to do with the essence of the subject being discussed and therefore should have not been mentioned in anyway. I had just finished reading some posts about pricing and that is how the name came up.

Right now I am in BA for a short time and I may be rushing my posts a bit too fast for lack of time. Nonetheless, all constructive follow up comments to my posts are welcome.

Thanks,

Darien

Darien
09-20-05, 03:09
New Candy Effect.

The New Candy Effect is the effect of a sudden increase in demand for a particular girl that has been recently mentioned positively in a internet forum or a girl whose picture has recently been posted on a web page for the first time.

As a result of the recent positive post or new picture, many clients rush to call her willing to pay a higher price to eat the candy first. These clients do not realize that very often the candy in reference may have been in the market for sometime already and there is nothing new about it.

At that point, the girl has not choice in her own mind but to increase her price even if her product is of lower quality than the competition selling at a lower price. Also, some clients start thinking that the new candy must be really good because it is selling for a higher price in a otherwise over supplied market and hence it is ok to pay the asking price. Instead, what they end up getting is a rushed service and a candy shell tasting more like milk than sugar from the daily line of clients paying to eat it.

Experienced buyers do not fall for the higher price knowing very well that they can do better somewhere else, in this case, with another better looking chica who will provide much better service at a lower price.

After a few weeks or months, the call volume normalize and the New Candy girl adjust back her price to the market equilibrium point.

What price you are willing to pay for the new candy is your choice, but the quality and taste of the new candy is not.

For a more plain explanation of the "New Candy Effect" theory, you can ask the ugly cat roaming the streets who wonders how many times he has to die just to continue being itself.

Saludos,

Darien

Zznrzz
09-19-06, 01:22
I saw your post about Masha with photo which was great, I would like to meet with her when I visit BA next week and wanted to know what her pricing is (is it the same as Meddy's? And will she come directly to my hotel? Dose she swallow during the BBBJ? Does she speak any English (I do not speak any Spanish)

I've only been a hound - hope to graduate to monger.

Zznrzz -

Master J
10-18-06, 23:14
So I do plan on coming for my annual Thansgiving trip and am have been reading recent posts regarding pricing. I do compare that it is comparable to dining habits, Some may prefer to do the five star overcharge experinece, while others enjoy the value bang for the buck concept. Here is the quiry? I spoke with one of on the list gals Cammeron in Platynum about a week ago and she quoted 200P for conventional / 300p for completo. Called today to verify and her quote was 250P. So what to do and how do you make it a win / win. If I say you said, I believe the service may be compromised, and for really how much. But multiply that by all of the calls for 150P / then 200p, and you really get two or three xtras. What yee say is the most diplomatic way of handling? The houses / apartments offer the 100p player and I think you get what you get. It appears as if it is sellers market, but they are really just testing as most will say OK. I negotiate all the time in the states, prefer not to do here?

El Perro
10-18-06, 23:18
So I do plan on coming for my annual Thansgiving trip and am have been reading recent posts regarding pricing. I do compare that it is comparable to dining habits, Some may prefer to do the five star overcharge experinece, while others enjoy the value bang for the buck concept. Here is the quiry? I spoke with one of on the list gals Cammeron in Platynum about a week ago and she quoted 200P for conventional / 300p for completo. Called today to verify and her quote was 250P. So what to do and how do you make it a win / win. If I say you said, I believe the service may be compromised, and for really how much. But multiply that by all of the calls for 150P / then 200p, and you really get two or three xtras. What yee say is the most diplomatic way of handling? The houses / apartments offer the 100p player and I think you get what you get. It appears as if it is sellers market, but they are really just testing as most will say OK. I negotiate all the time in the states, prefer not to do here?Fuck her in the ass for 250p-300p and feel good about yourself.

Master J
10-18-06, 23:24
Man law. I needed the push. Thanks.

Biker
10-19-06, 14:14
Anyone's fucked Cammeron? Is she worth 250 p she's just asked me on the phone for a completo?

Tks

Nuevo Espanol
10-19-06, 17:07
I had the pleasure of Cammeron's company April 2004 (before her new eye make-up)! She was breathtakingly beautiful and her demeanor was shy and reserved. She never stopped looking at me with her gorgeous eyes. BBBJ (wet, slow and lingering) followed by a slow, grinding cowgirl. She was in no hurry. I was barely able to walk out of the apartment.

Cost was 150 for the hour. I still think of that hour, she was a goddess!

I suggest that you book it.

Biker
10-19-06, 22:58
Tks Espanol, will try next time in BA

Master J
11-04-06, 11:59
I am very curious what this well rounded experienced crew will advise on this one. On my last visit in I stayed in Palermo and was a using the trip for pure relaxation ie massages and spas for most of the day. At night I knew many of the options, but got a little lazy, didn't want to deal with the false foto game and after seeing her once I would call in like Chinese food. In 20 minutes Hola mi amor and strip in 20 seconds and go. Very romantic, no? 100P Paraguyan. She can chupar with the the best, really can go for the whole hour! And pleasant as can be, all smiles, nice face, sparkling blue eyes, and will allow anything that goes with the request. My novia! She has been written up on the Baires for as incredible, marry this one, five star exp, etc. Not one bad review. So here is the question.

I am planning a trip in November and she says she want to leave the privado and go on her own with her working amiga. She says she needs 200 to get started with the apartment and I believe I will have her anytime for a 2 or 3 hour sesion during my stay. We speak regulary and I rule out scam, she just knows she will make more.

My question is will the jefa who she is leaving, cause much trouble for these two Paraguyans and might I get caught in any crossfire? And really is the whole pleasure of this locale journey finding the variety and different experiences good or bad? I already have my day list and thought for everynight for 2 o 3 I can chill really relaxed with her and get a non working kind of experience. So deal or No deal. I do not believe she will run if that is what you are going to say. O by the way she is jealous, which I find confusing in her line of work.

Thomaso276
11-04-06, 13:34
My thoughts: If she stays in the business you will be another client. Maybe on of the top clients. Nothing is free and she will not turn down paying customers for a 3 hour freebie.

How come she needs a whopping 200 pesos to get started? She can make that in less than a day.

Bottom line, if you enjoy her company set some ground rules and she how she responds. But remember she needs money to live and you have the ATM card.

Good luck.

El Aleman
11-04-06, 13:59
More thoughts:

Women are always jealous, especially latin ones. No matter what their line of work is. And if that's not real emotion, it is at least her business instinct: you shall bring your money to her, not to another one.

Otherwise, I think you have to decide this by your gut. If some sort of a steady relation is what you are after at this time, go for it. And A$R 200 for the better part of the night is reasonable.

El Alemán

Chipaco
11-06-06, 21:37
My dear friend.

The only thing missing in your report was that you were thinking about marrying and taking her to the states.

Please, wake up and smell the conchitas (there are thousands out there) Great thing that you stumble onto a good one, had lot of fun, but believe me, there are even better, ALWAYS, as well as worse.

Forget about the jefa troubles (they do not care if they loose one, they have dozen waiting) but why on earth do you want to get involved in this, for a free fucks and sucks? It is not worth it. Besides you will be missing all the other wonderful ones out there.

Look, life is short, your stay is even shorter and unless you are looking for a bride enjoy the variety, and it does have to be one at the time either.

Go visit this girl AND others, but do not get complicated in any schemes.

Just my 2 cents.

Chipaco.

PS: The jeaulosy is a good business practice to make us feel special. I think it is cute!


I am very curious what this well rounded experienced crew will advise on this one. On my last visit in I stayed in Palermo and was a using the trip for pure relaxation ie massages and spas for most of the day. At night I knew many of the options, but got a little lazy, didn't want to deal with the false foto game and after seeing her once I would call in like Chinese food. In 20 minutes Hola mi amor and strip in 20 seconds and go. Very romantic, no? 100P Paraguyan. She can chupar with the the best, really can go for the whole hour! And pleasant as can be, all smiles, nice face, sparkling blue eyes, and will allow anything that goes with the request. My novia! She has been written up on the Baires for as incredible, marry this one, five star exp, etc. Not one bad review. So here is the question.

I am planning a trip in November and she says she want to leave the privado and go on her own with her working amiga. She says she needs 200 to get started with the apartment and I believe I will have her anytime for a 2 or 3 hour sesion during my stay. We speak regulary and I rule out scam, she just knows she will make more.

My question is will the jefa who she is leaving, cause much trouble for these two Paraguyans and might I get caught in any crossfire? And really is the whole pleasure of this locale journey finding the variety and different experiences good or bad? I already have my day list and thought for everynight for 2 o 3 I can chill really relaxed with her and get a non working kind of experience. So deal or No deal. I do not believe she will run if that is what you are going to say. O by the way she is jealous, which I find confusing in her line of work.

Master J
11-06-06, 23:36
Thank you soooo much for the grounding. How right you are on so many counts. That is what makes this board o so helpful in many ways. As it says, looking for love in all the wrong places. So be it, I will come, play, explore, and create my new canvas. Much thanks. The only sidebar was that she was like a hall of fame BJ accoring to the local foro, but onwards and upwards. Thank you again for your ever so wise comments. I think there might be some cuuch material here, but alas another story. Best Regards

Alan23
11-22-06, 21:16
I am always trying to come to grips with the current Chica Inflation situation - we all know it's there, but just how bad? I have been using a technique that may work for others - while employing the full benefits of this information sharing board.

At a location that I'm not familar with, I research what the prices have been over the last 6-12 months. After making my choice, I simply hand the madame the money that was being charged 5-6 months ago - without hesitation or flinching. Results over last 3 months (15-16 locations):

50% accepted without question.

25% explained new pricing - BUT accepted old price.

25% refused offered amount - no deal made.

Interestingly I did this at our old favorite - 359 Maipu last week. A major number of back and forths occurred. Their final answer (Madame & Daisy) was no - my final answer was to get redressed and head for the door. That changed the whole dynamic - the answer then changed to yes. The sad part is that the service suffered badly - so badly I will not be returning with that individual. Now for the nay-sayers; I'm not buying the argument that you get what you pay for in the case - remember I have been going there consistently for the last year. I know the level of service and the two month ago price.

The market is always being tested with few exceptions (believe that 1707 stayed at the same asking price for a very long time) Why are they doing this - because they CAN, no different from the proverbial dog and his gonads! While I have only been in BsAs for a year, seems that the whole privado scene has a "life cycle" of good price-good service / bad price-good service / bad price-bad service. When revenues get tough, the girls simply move on changing their names in the process. If the place can't bring in a high-powered CEO to save the place (ha, ha) it ceases to exist and another pops up elsewhere.

I really think we can help ourselves with the Chica Inflation situation by being prepared to walk - BUT you have to know what the recent-past prices have been. Remember Nancy Reagan's famous statement, "Just say no".

BadMan
03-03-07, 00:14
The time is soon aproaching when I have to go back to Kiev for the summer ((June-July) so I decided to read the UA forum and I came across this interesting post by what sounds to be a seasoned Eastern European monger. It made me think of all the pricing discussions that have gone on in the AR forum. He hit the nail on the head as far as EEU mentality is concerned. I can't wait to get back, hot girls here no doubt, but Argie girls just don't compare.

Bad.

Doctor_Skank.
Senior Member.
Reports: 1,259 Quote:

" Originally Posted by Robert1110

I said this very same thing to another ISG member today while having a beer on k street. I guess these idiots want to impress the ladies. Funny thing is, I am sure while the lady is smiling and saying thank you while she is putting the $$ in her purse, she is thinking "dumbass" or the Russian equivalent."

Doctor_Skank:

" I agree in principal with you and I am notoriously cheap when it comes to pro sex. I don't like to pay more than $150/2 hours. And certainly pay less when I can get away with it. I also agree that the girls charging $60/ hour in salons (of which they only keep about half) are often just as hot (or hotter) and sweeter than those RP sharks. Or maybe the RP sharks just figured out a better way to make money.

But assuming Russian / Ukrainian girls think men paying more are "dumbasses" doesn't take into account that they associate wealth (or the ability to pay more) with strength, success and often, attractiveness.

Dumbasses are those paying more than they can afford. Guys paying $300 when they only make $1200 a month.

But guys who pay $300 without blinking an eye because they can. Believe me, girls don't think they are dumbasses. "

Master J
03-03-07, 04:52
Badboy,

Was drifting through the Baires Foro and someone posted an experience with these two web sites. Price comparatively speaking, and having had a long term russian experience, are these for real? I know they are beautiful, but is the scene as easy there? http://www.top-models.com.ua and http://www.gia.com.ua if I can't post better addresses. Comments regarding your opinions? Maybe I need to steer the plane with a hard left! I know the summer there is a sight to see but my impression is land of goldiggers? No insult meant)

BadMan
03-03-07, 07:01
Hey MJ,

Well my initial reason for posting that report was it put somethings into perspective for me and maybe for others as far as the mentality in EEU culture as opposed to SA culture, and the reasons why money is more part of Slavic culture and women than here.

To answer your questions, Gia is a very old lower end website that many locals and expats use. The pictures are 100% real, top models you will most likely get about 70% real, both are priced the same because they cater to the same market and yes they are for real. With that said there is a whole different market in Kiev for the top notch girls, the ones tourists don't usually get unless they can pay alot more. We are talking 300-500 EU, these girls are generally reserved for wealthy foreign businessmen and wealthy local clients. These girls are generally had on a " in the know " basis. If you KNOW how to contact them, if you KNOW the people they work with. There are some websites that deal with these girls 3 in particular, very, good quality girls. I will post 2 here, the third is off limits;) http://www.vodkaescort.com/gallery.php and http://dreamed-escort.com/escort-girls/ now to be honest, the quality at dreamed hasn't remained as high as it was last year. But they probably have a private stock of girls they don't post and keep only for select clients. Exclusivity is key.

Again, as was written in the post below, the whole notion of money has a different meaning in Kiev, Saying Kiev is a city full of gold diggers is like saying Los Angeles or Buenos Aires is a city of golddiggers. It is both somewhat true and overly simplistic at the same time. True in the sense that the women you find in the P4P scene ARE looking for men with money, hopefully alot of it, so they can get paid for their body. BA girls are notorious for trying to " date " westerners and Europeans, why? Because they have more money, simple as that, For the same reason " rentistas " seek out the foreign tourist, monger, businessman market, because they pay better and they pay in dollars or now Euro. In Los Angeles aka LaLa Land aka " HollyWood ", the girls are the most materialistic and superficial you can find. It doesn't matter how you look if you drive a 50K car or better, you are going to be knee deep in " free " pussy. And if you don't, chances are you will still get pussy, but you will be turned down countless times, the minute the girl asks you, how much money you make a year, or where do you live or what kind of car do you drive, all standard first date, first meeting questions.

The truth about the UA, is that there are soooooo many beautiful women everywhere, that you don't need to pay, the truth is I only payed occasionally, mostly to indulge certain pornstar fantasies with Dreamed-escort devushkas, since they are very good about getting in contact with all the top notch UA pornstars. As far as UA girls being golddiggers, the truth is many are and many aren't. The one key thing I see about AR and UA girls is UA girls are smarter about who they actually date, I constantly hear from AR girls about their boyfriends being taxi drivers, short order cooks, bartenders, dancers, and so on and all the girls do is complain about how the guy is broke, how he cheats and drinks too much and how the girls would leave him in a second for a wealthier man, yeah right. Like any intelligent man would get himself saddled with a girl like that. UA girls are different in the sense, that most do think about a mans financial status, not in a golddigging sense, but ask themselves the basic question of " is this guy going to be able to give me and my future family a good life ". Then you also have the " sponsor " mentality, beautiful and I mean beautiful young girls 18-22 usually don't want to fuck 4-6 guys a day, they would rather have a list of 1-2 sponsors, that pretty much pay their rent and give them a few thousand dollars a month of shopping money. The guy is usually a married businessman, sometimes foreign and only sees the girl a few times a week. But in exchange for the financial security he gives her, he gets to bang her six ways from Sunday every time he wants. In contract, I asked a girl here in BA (who was constantly complaining about her poor and unfaithful boyfriend and the fact that she had to prostitute herself since he had no money) Why she didn't just get herself 1 or 2 older wealthier male clients who would take care of all her needs, so she didn't have to fuck 3-4 random dudes a day in dirty motel room beds. Her answer was simple and very indicative of the rampant feminism that is also infecting the USA, she said, she would rather fuck 3-4 random guys a day 5 days a week and keep her " independence " and her poor cheating boyfriend, than fuck 1-2 wealthy older sponsors, because she feared there would be some level of control and possible subserviance with having a sponsor, plus she would feel like those 2 guys who pay her home, bills and shopping expenses would somehow own her, as opposed to the multitude of random guys who drop big loads of cum down her throat for 70 dollars a pop 5 times day, 5 days a week. In my opinion mind boggling. But hey thats what makes BA so fun.

But as they say, live and let live. Argie girls are cute and there are a couple stunners, but I prefer my Eastern European supermodel Ph. D's any day. And don't worry man, no insult taken, just as I hope my comments aren't taken as a personal affront on anyone. Kiev in the summer is what every red blooded male should experience at least once in his life, if not every year. Or better yet, start off in Kiev, pick up a beautiful 18 year old Slavic supermodel, offer to take her to Yalta or the Red Sea for a week or two. Believe me, you will pay nothing except the costs of the trip. The girl will be so greatful, she will give you anything you ask for. And I am talking non pro action. While in Kiev, learn the language and stick with the non pros.

I will stop at this point for one reason, the average cheap BA monger would be out of place in a city like Kiev, I think as a sole monger destination Kiev doesn't rank very high, because of the cost of living as a tourist or foreigner is too high, there are many other places like Asia and Latin America that have good looking girls and cost 5 times less. But if you want to truly experience the cream, there is only one place in my book and that is Eastern Europe, whether it's Talin, Kiev, Prague, Bratislava and so on.

Again, I really digg BA, but it just doesn't compare to the UA as far as women go.

Bad.

But hey, different strokes right?

Rock Harders
03-03-07, 11:20
Badboy,

I have been to several places in eastern Europe (although not Kiev) and I think you are giving these chicas way to much credit here, especially labelling them the "cream of the crop" in comparison to Argentinean women. In addition, there are literally thousands of young Eastern European stripper types working in the NYC sphere whom I have had experience with, they all claim to have advanced academic degrees and my overall impression of these girls is that they come off as very crass and unrefined and lacking in basic western manners and behavior. Essentially they are peasants. Perhaps this is the legacy of the failed communist era and may be changing as capitalism and western standards of living permeate these societies.

In comparison, Argentinean women carry themselves with a certain class, refinement and demeanor that I have seen in women in no other country on this planet. If you are able to crack the upper echelon of Argentinean women, the Recoleta "cheta" girls, those that are members of the 200 or so families that control Argentina, the girls that go to the bilingual schools, have multiple farms in several parts of the country, the girls belonging to the "legacy" families, then you will see in the Argentinean women what I see. These girls all have the same type of look, the lean lithe body, mixed Mediterranean genetics, perfect skin, etc.

I can undertand why you don't share these observations, most hookers in Buenos Aires are not like this, and generally don't give an honest impression of the quality of girl available here. Constantly paying $300 AR for tired, washed up low class pussy at a young age could make anybody grow bored with a place real quick.

Suerte,

Dirk Diggler

BadMan
03-03-07, 11:57
I have been to several places in eastern Europe (although not Kiev) Most important thing you ever posted regarding your opinion on this. Spend just one summer in Kiev and then talk to me about UA women and their unequaled beauty, some of the best mannered well intentioned women I have ever met, and much more attentive than your average latina " peasant ". You are telling me that your only contact with these types of girls are the average stripper at Scores and you are telling ME that I am wrong about the Cream? If you think your experience with NYC strippers represents what I meant by the cream, what can I say?

You talk about supposed advanced degrees? I don't get it, did they or didn't they have degrees? The ones that did would probably run circles around the average monger academically. I studied there for a time, and it is no mistake, that Russian science and research was and still is second to none, even with the US's money, they can at best claim to be on even footing. The average AR chica and the average UA chica as far as intelligence goes, no contest.

Then you begin an attack on the " failed communist era " as though THAT or your perception of that had anything to do with this discussion. Those communist morals and ideals and manners of the ordinary working class chelovek is almost second to none in my book, they have customs that even to this day I haven't seen in other countries. A more friendly and giving, open and sincere people you would be hard pressed to find. These people define the phrase class act. So I find your comments regarding them and their era not only insulting, but ignorant and ill intentioned.

The one thing I can tell you is this, after your so called " failed communism " financially the upper class is doing better, and maybe at one point or another the country as a whole will benifit, one thing that cannot be denied is those communist ideals, those old slavic customs and manners are slowly being eroded, and that is sad. But you are right about that, the western lack of manners is adveresly affecting old slavic society.

The Recoleta "cheta " girls is your idea of worldly refinement? Oh boy, I am sorry to say, but upperclass Latin American snobs aren't exactly what I meant when I stated the Cream or intellectually stimulating. Not my scene, I avoid that pretentious crowd wherever I go, unless family decorum demands otherwise. And even then I squirm my way out. There is nothing to crack, you either belong or you don't and if you don't really belong, you are at best a hanger on. Again, this has nothing to do with the Cream or intellectual stimulation.

You are right about one thing, paying for it does get old real quick, and I have been dabbling in the college girl scene a little, but again, the average BA college girl isn't all that interesting either.

Last time, I am sorry if my last post or posts offended you and caused you to reflexively defend what your ideal of feminine perfection is I.E Argentine women. I obviously disagree with you. We are different people from different backgrounds and what is awe inspiring to you might be average to me and likewise what I find stimulating might not be your cup of tea. I am enjoying myself here in BA and happily planting a flag, but I can't wait to get back home. Where IMHO the women are the most beautiful, the most graceful, and the best lovers. Thats all, just pining for summer in Yalta.

Best regards,

Bad

Daddy Rulz
03-03-07, 15:21
I don't understand how communism in the former Soviet Union could be described any other way except failed. It's gone isn't it? Not trying to be a dick but the fact that it's not around sort of means it failed no?

I know what you mean about those working class values though, being working class myself. My best friend married a girl from chaco and her family is poor as hell but they are the sweetest people you could hope to meet. I don't like the chetas either, pretty to look at I gotta agree but the 20 or so I've met through friends here remind me of Gringas. My ex went to a bilingual school, but wasn't from an elitist family and she was really sweet, most of those rich chicks I met had pipes up their asses. Could be my natural working class distaste for people that assume they are better than me because of the money their Grandfathers made though.

This comment is kind of funny,

"The average AR chica and the average UA chica as far as intelligence goes, no contest."

I would expect that intelligence measured here and there would both probably be the same as expressed on a bell shaped graph with the same standard deviations. Dogg could confirm that, it's his biz. I could agree with more education there though, as a lot of Argies just don't seem to understand the need for it.

Returning to Chica pricing, my current excedra favorita (red headed spinner named fabiana) had to get out of bed last night, take my 150, plus 10 for taxi of course and go to the Alvear to bang some gringo for 300 dollars for an hour. She told me a friend from Black had set it up. I don't think she was lying because she was as amazed as I was and didn't ask for any more money. She absolutly could not believe how stupid this guy was, she just could not stop laughing about it. She was glad to get the money of course and I told her that I was happy for her as well but did she understand that I would never, ever pay anything close to that she answered with one word "obvio"

I wonder if she spent more than the 2.5 hours with him. Perhaps she used her secondary, back up, fresh, never been fucked pussy and ass with him. Perhaps that mountain of mangos made her pussy tighter or her throat deeper. I don't know, all I really know is he paid 6 times as much as I did and I bet she didn't spin around from cowgirl anal to reverse cowgirl anal without pulling his dick out.

All you lurkers out there please stop paying so much for pussy it can be had for less with very little trouble.

BadMan
03-03-07, 15:46
That was the point, and you are somewhat trying to be a dick. The point was and is, this was not a thread to discuss that. Basically a cheap shot and nothing to do with the actual topic at hand. Again, you are baiting, but I don't actually feel like going into it. If in your eyes it failed, then it failed. Who cares, not part of this topic.

I would have to say your whole Bell graph comment? Where did that come from? Just trying to be contradictory aren't we DR? Coming from someone who has studied in the US, SA, and the EU, the average chick from UA is many times more prepared academically than any or most of the average BA chicas I have met. Again, you are arguing a point that you have no business arguing unless you actually have some first hand insight on the subject, which you don't. Again if you are talking about basic cognitive ability or average I. Q, you might make a point, but as far as intellectual and academic preparedness, how the fuck would you know? Again the ignorance shows buddy, you are talking about a country where the AVERAGE person holds a Doctorate, generally in either medicine, law, engineering, or some form of physics, be it nuclear, chemical, astro and so on. You are talking about one of the most highly skilled, trained and educated countries in all of Europe. Underpaid, yes, but academically and intellectually prepared on a level not seen in many countries.

And yes please returning to chica pricing, Guys, pay what you feel comfortable paying. Don't let greedy chicas nor broke motherfuckers dictate to you how and where to spend your hard earned funds.

Back to the mentality of a BA chica and how the pricing comes into play here and how it differs with the mentality of european girls. Here, a chica would rather get paid chump change to fuck a low life broke ass monger, and laugh about a guy willing to pay her significantly more, good business sense? I think not, actually probably the reason her uneducated, ignorant ass is sucking dick for rent money. Where as in the EEU, the average stunner, wouldn't be caught dead fucking a low life broke monger for pennies on the dollar, and if anyone deserves to get ridiculed it would probably be him and not the wealthy client that can actually pay her something more substancial.

But there is allways someone for everyone, I for one just finished up trying one of your famed 100 peso chicas, and I am completely cured of that awful habit. You guys can keep the 100 peso chicas. I will either go the non pro route or find myself some top shelf pussy.

Good luck,

Bad

Oh what the hell, here's a teaser,

Oh and BTW, DR, thanks for trying to sound smart, but if you really had any idea of what you were talking about, you would understand that communism never existed in the USSR, as it is implied in the name, it was a SOCIALIST Republic, a functioning one at first, that later became completely unmanageable because of internal and external pressures. But again, read up on your Marx and Engels before you make funny comments that make no sense. Socialism is the path to communism, a stage no country has every fully achieved,in large part due to basic human nature. But I won't go more into it than this, think before you type. If you picked up a book just as often as you pick up BA chicas you would be fine.

Daddy Rulz
03-03-07, 18:23
That was the point, and you are somewhat trying to be a dick. The point was and is, this was not a thread to discuss that. Basically a cheap shot and nothing to do with the actual topic at hand. Again, you are baiting, but I don't actually feel like going into it. If in your eyes it failed, then it failed. Who cares, not part of this topic.

I would have to say your whole Bell graph comment? Where did that come from? Just trying to be contradictory aren't we DR? Coming from someone who has studied in the US, SA, and the EU, the average chick from UA is many times more prepared academically than any or most of the average BA chicas I have met. Again, you are arguing a point that you have no business arguing unless you actually have some first hand insight on the subject, which you don't. Again if you are talking about basic cognitive ability or average I. Q, you might make a point, but as far as intellectual and academic preparedness, how the fuck would you know? Again the ignorance shows buddy, you are talking about a country where the AVERAGE person holds a Doctorate, generally in either medicine, law, engineering, or some form of physics, be it nuclear, chemical, astro and so on. You are talking about one of the most highly skilled, trained and educated countries in all of Europe. Underpaid, yes, but academically and intellectually prepared on a level not seen in many countries.Thanks, You answered my perfectly reasonable question. You were not talking about raw intelligence but rather preperation meaning education. Never having visited the area, and understanding that you have, I was ASKING not BAITING. Baiting looks more like this "Bad your an asshole and don't know what your talking about" which I didn't say, and don't mean. I accept your greater experiance in the area and wished to learn from it.

I know that it was the former Soviet Socialist Republic because I wasn't baiting I didn't feel the need to point out the error.

Please don't assume because I ask a question I'm baiting you. Or do you also agree with the former CCCP's policy of repressing the free exchange of ideas. This is baiting but you did imply I'm ignorant, again that working class reaction to somebody thinks they are better than me because of what their grandfathers accomplished I didn't call you a dick, I didn't say you were wrong I only asked a question and I was interested in your answer.

I once offered to buy you a beer to talk about this stuff because different ideas interest me. The only way to learn something new is to listen to somebody with different ideas.

Your comments on the chica I talked about tell me everything I need to know about you. Your an elitist snob, living off the profits of your grandfathers acting and talking as if it was you that had done something. You would not be able to function in the world of the cheloviks you claim to admire. You should be glad that socialism failed in the former USSR because without your privilage you were born to and the power that goes with it you couldn't even feed yourself.

This isn't baiting it's contempt.

Have fun in Kiev and seriously thanks for all the posts about the internet chicas that was some good info.

BadMan
03-04-07, 00:31
And thank you, you proved you were just baiting,

You did offer to buy a beer and talk shop once and if I recall I declined because I stated first, I don't drink and two, I don't feel it polite to talk politics in friendly company. I did offer to go hit a club and pick up girls. In retrospect, I am glad you said you didn't have the funds to go.

You do seem to have some serious psychological problems DR, and your violent response and threats of physically assaulting elderly forum members in the past proved that to me once, and your self deprecating posts of late have shown that, either you are trying too hard to be accepted or you have some serious self esteem issues going on. Either that or you have the emotional maturity of a 18 year old.

In all honestly, your personal attacks don't really bother me, you have no idea who I am or who my " grandfathers " were. Though it is really sad and telling you have to start bringing up people's families to quell the anger my previous post has caused you personally, again very telling of your own character.

My grandfathers are none of your business and certainly not a topic of discussion on this board or thread you fucking asshole. The one thing I will say is your ASSUMPTIONS about who I am and where I come from are completely wrong, nuff said. People who do know me, know who I am and what I represent. And so your ignorant assumptions about my personal and finacial situation are almost laughable. You have no idea of the degrees I hold or the work I do or have done in the past, you know nothing and yet you try to pretend like you do, but again my personal life isn't really a topic of discussion for this forum or this thread, you got some serious issues going on, I would say more but I am feeling benevolent and do not wish to further clown or embarass you, this time.

I don't like elitist snobs, I think I made that clear in my previous posts, But I also don't like low life psychos, it seems your anger comes from the truth, the truth that the average chica is not laughing with you but at you. Wealth is a sign of success, be it here in SA or the EU, no one denies that, and women see that as a sign of power and success, whether they tell you that or not, I am sorry that you don't make alot of money, that is not my fault, work smarter and not harder and maybe you wouldn't be walking around with such a chip on your shoulder.

PS, it wasn't contempt, it was pure unadulterated ignorance at it's best, the whole second part of your pathetic post was based on generalized simplistic assumptions you can neither back up or prove. You can only say that since I made a fool of you, you are forced to try to respond with any personal attack you can think of regardless of the fact that you bring my family into it or that you are factually incorrect, you lousy low life motherfucker.

Again, YOU wouldn't be able to live one day in the CCCP, you aren't the type of person I speak of, you would at best be the local drunk who just can't get it together. Persona non grata I think we call it.

You are welcome for all my posts, I put them there to mostly help newbies, but they are there for the general population. I will have fun in the UA and I will appreciate it that much more knowing that your kind of people can't be found there.

Ignorance, servility, weakness, disrespectfulness with regards to family and lack of ambition are not exactly strong character traits to have, much less anything that would fit with the old socialist communist slavic culture.

Bad

CCCP? very good DR, seems you know your old cyrilic right? well thank you for at least trying. Though pretending to know and actually knowing are two different things.

BadMan
03-04-07, 00:57
And stop feebly trying to feed our dwindling egos? Maybe.

The time is soon aproaching when I have to go back to Kiev for the summer (June-July) so I decided to read the UA forum and I came across this interesting post by what sounds to be a seasoned Eastern European monger. It made me think of all the pricing discussions that have gone on in the AR forum. He hit the nail on the head as far as EEU mentality is concerned. I can't wait to get back, hot girls here no doubt, but Argie girls just don't compare.

Bad.

Doctor_Skank.

Senior Member.

Reports: 1,259 Quote:

" Originally Posted by Robert1110

I said this very same thing to another ISG member today while having a beer on k street. I guess these idiots want to impress the ladies. Funny thing is, I am sure while the lady is smiling and saying thank you while she is putting the $$ in her purse, she is thinking "dumbass" or the Russian equivalent."

Doctor_Skank:

" I agree in principal with you and I am notoriously cheap when it comes to pro sex. I don't like to pay more than $150/2 hours. And certainly pay less when I can get away with it. I also agree that the girls charging $60/ hour in salons (of which they only keep about half) are often just as hot (or hotter) and sweeter than those RP sharks. Or maybe the RP sharks just figured out a better way to make money.

But assuming Russian / Ukrainian girls think men paying more are "dumbasses" doesn't take into account that they associate wealth (or the ability to pay more) with strength, success and often, attractiveness.

Dumbasses are those paying more than they can afford. Guys paying $300 when they only make $1200 a month.

But guys who pay $300 without blinking an eye because they can. Believe me, girls don't think they are dumbasses. "

Master J
03-04-07, 02:10
Having started this friendly conversation, I thought I might add my thoughts regarding the subject. While I have not been to Eastern Europe, I was indeed involved with a Uzbekistan beauty, a 10 for sure, trust me on this one, room stopper, gorgeous face, breathtaking body, and did she ever take care of herself. Seven years on / off. Also for the past three had a another gorgeous Argentinian, great face, nice body, knew what to do with it, repeat, knew what to do with it. Making the easy assumption they they all are a little nuts anyhow, my comparisons are this. The Russian was my partner. Intelligent, knew beautiful things, spent like there was no tommorrow, but was interested in the relationship, conversation, cultural, etc.

The Argie drove me a little crazy with the I want you, now I don't, and was on the whole perhaps a little more deceitful in ways. She made it up in passion which I would say was lacking in the Russian player. Interestingly the three women I have known well in BA all have children, seem to be with the wrong men, and see no problem with being alone, in fact prefer it?

My Russian ex says that a Russian woman would never consider being alone, which make me feel that they in one way shape or form are interested in being in a man's company.

When I visit New York / New Jersey they are in the strip clubs and are having a field day with the deperado men with the $20 for a dance thing. Good for them if they can get away with it.

So for me, I am not sure which way I would go. I am sure if I had the privaledge of seeing Kiev and Yalta with the BadBoy as my guide, I would swing to the Eastern European side. They are breathtaking women in my opinion. If I were to go alone there, I think I would be chewed up and discarded without a wingman.

BA is BA. I have always been amazed at the ease and free thinking minds that some of the women have and I truly enjoy that spirit of that. But where did the Grandfather thing come out from? This is about conchitas, no?

Toymann
03-04-07, 07:10
Well MasterJ. Your post is well taken. I have made four trips to BA in the last year and #5 is coming up shortly. I have also spent three months in eastern europe this past year. My observations are simple. Most likely it is my personal taste, but I find the dark haired south american chicas fantastic. I am not a blonde fan at all and thus found the east block gals a bit lacking in that peroxide sales in eastern europe must be going through the roof. Furthermore, I also found that the european woman were a bit lacking in passion and sexual performance relative to their argie counterparts. In fact, I have been amazed at, given the appropriate approach, how receptive latin women are to having a genuine great time. In other words, if you give an argie chica an ounce of affection, in most cases you get a kilo back. In spite of the fact that this is a p4p interaction. In my humble opinion, south american women ROCK! I did not get the same feeling from their east block counterparts, at all (maybe it was just bad luck) Keep in mind that I am speeking of sexual action only. I am not looking for an scholarly interaction here, just a great all-nighter! I have not posted many reports here in the past but plan to remidy this problem on my upcoming trip. On a final note! I have been following Bad's post for quite some time now and feel that his feedback has been nothing short of fantastic! I have planned a couple of encounters on my upcoming trip based totally on his reports. I find his chica reviews completely credible based on the three common chicas we have both seen. I would suggest however that Bad chill out when it comes to politics. I'm sure growing up we enjoyed the many Canada -CCCP hockey series that created legends in both Canada and the Soviet Union. Who will ever forget the 72 series! Happy Mongering to all and maybe I'll come out of the closet and meet some of you in BA during my upcoming trip. I have always kept a low profile on this board but maybe it's time to step it up on my next visit. I have a VERY busy agenda in store for the chicas on my upcoming trip. Best to all. T

BadMan
03-04-07, 09:39
TM,

I don't talk politics here anymore, I only chime in when others feel the need to bash or ridicule forms of government they don't support, that is not what this forum or much less this thread is all about. If you go back on this thread and look where the political references begin you will clearly see I wasn't the one making those remarks.

The main reason for my initial post on this thread was to comment and illustrate the differences in the chica mentality as far as pricing between EEU and SA. That was it, I was asked some specific questions by a fellow monger which I answered honestly.

Bad.

Alan23
03-04-07, 12:15
This is not mine - found it on the ISG, but find it very entertaining!

BadMan
03-04-07, 13:46
Badboy13, this is one of your most ridiculous, unsubstantiated statements! Bad --''you are talking about a country where the AVERAGE person holds a Doctorate, generally in either medicine, law, engineering, or some form of physics, be it nuclear, chemical, astro and so on. You are talking about one of the most highly skilled, trained and educated countries in all of Europe. Underpaid, yes, but academically and intellectually prepared on a level not seen in many countries.''Anything else?

Since when do you substantiate any of the drivel that escapes your lips? I'll answer that, never. I am not going to do your research for you. Do it yourself and if you find anything I have said to be untrue and have cross checked and cross referenced all your findings, then go ahead and post it.

Til then STFU,

Bad

Is it that hard for you to stay on topic?

Stowe
03-04-07, 19:57
Having been to Russia (Moscow, St Pete, Rostov-on-Don and Sochi) I would have to say that Russian women, and possible Eastern European chicas in general, are by far the hottest women around. There are a much greater number of hot women, in fact, I would say that the majority between 18-30 are super hot.

Russian women seemed to age quickly after that. However, if I lived in that shitty climate in those shitty deteriorating communist-built apartments with few job opportunities and thus little, or poor food, I might age rapidly as well.

I must say that my description of life there is a more pronounced problem in cities other than Moscow and St. Pete's, generally speaking.

Suerte.

Stowe

Hunt99
03-04-07, 20:13
1. "Free" pussy costs more than the paid type.

2. Russkie girls are smokin' in bed. Out of it, they're psycho.

3. Argie girls are smokin' in bed. Out of it, they're psycho.

4. Damn, it's cold in wintertime in Moscow. Winter in Buenos Aires is pretty sweet.

5. Damn, it's hot in Buenos Aires in summertime. Summer in St. Petersburg is wonderful.

6. Spanish is much easier to learn and speak than Russian.

7. The restaurants in the FSU can't compete with those in Buenos Aires.

8. Paid-for pussy in Russia is much more expensive than in Argentina.

9. Girls in Russia and Argentina generally want to be submissive to their man, at least in the sack.

10. Hotels and accomodations are more expensive in Russia than in Argentina.

Daddy Rulz
03-04-07, 21:04
1. "Free" pussy costs more than the paid type.

2. Russkie girls are smokin' in bed. Out of it, they're psycho.

3. Argie girls are smokin' in bed. Out of it, they're psycho.

4. Damn, it's cold in wintertime in Moscow. Winter in Buenos Aires is pretty sweet.

5. Damn, it's hot in Buenos Aires in summertime. Summer in St. Petersburg is wonderful.

6. Spanish is much easier to learn and speak than Russian.

7. The restaurants in the FSU can't compete with those in Buenos Aires.

8. Paid-for pussy in Russia is much more expensive than in Argentina.

9. Girls in Russia and Argentina generally want to be submissive to their man, at least in the sack.

10. Hotels and accomodations are more expensive in Russia than in Argentina.Who in the fuck do you think you are posting shit like this? All your doing is showing your ignorance of both countries. From what you wrote I can tell your family slept in cowshit, ate chickenshit and violates 4 year old boys. Do you still call her your Aunt now that your married? The next time I see you I am going to cut off your nuts, shit in your mouth and watch you choke and bleed to death.

I really am just a humble ordinary kind of guy and I hope everybody else on the site except you likes me but I know they wont because I'm worthless.

Anybody want to go to a Brittney show?

Sorry I had to demonstrate my "violent response and threats of physically assaulting elderly forum members in the past proved that to me once, and your self deprecating posts of late have shown that, either you are trying too hard to be accepted or you have some serious self esteem issues going on. Either that or you have the emotional maturity of a 18 year old." and yours was the last post.

===========================================

Hi DR,

Honestly, I didn't read anything into Hunt's report that could possibly have evoked your reaction.

Did I miss something?

Let me know.

Thanks,

Jackson

Hunt99
03-04-07, 21:10
Fuck you, you dried up old man! I don't attack anyone until I am attacked and then I give it right back with both barrels, you fascist fuck. So fuck you, fuck the horse you rode in on, suck big donkey dicks you cocksucking fuckwad.

Yes, I would like to go to the Britney show. Do I need to shave my head first?

BadMan
03-05-07, 04:53
What a fukin cop out! Your bullshit propaganda never ceases!The cop out is yours Sid, I don't have to prove anything to you, the statistics are out there. You don't want to take my word for it, DON'T, no sweat off my balls buddy. Do your own research, then if you have proven me wrong, then I will respond in kind, til then.

We are quits,

Bad

Hunt99
03-05-07, 11:14
I guess the irony of my last post was lost on some. DaddyRulz and I are best friends now. In fact, to save money we have been sharing chicas. One time he gets the rear end and I get the blowjob, and next time vice versa. It's pretty sweet getting a 50% discount.

Daddy Rulz
03-05-07, 14:38
And I thought the lunacy in my post was obvio as well.

Besides the fact that he is a shit eating cocksucker, Hunt is really a nice guy. The last time he was here he got two BJs from Carolina at Excedra and wanted to give one to me. What a swell guy.

My new most hated monger is Flexible Horn with that Punter asshole a close second. It was going to be Dickhead but thank God that Cocksuker is gone.

Hunt99
03-05-07, 14:47
My new most hated monger is Flexible Horn with that Punter asshole a close second. It was going to be Dickhead but thank God that Cocksuker is gone.Anybody who forces chicas to wear the jersey of any English soccer club other than Manchester United is on my shit list, too. I make them wear David Beckham's old jersey and then fantasize that I'm drilling Posh Spice in the ass.

Flexible Horn
03-05-07, 15:06
Anybody who forces chicas to wear the jersey of any English soccer club other than Manchester United is on my shit list, too. I make them wear David Beckham's old jersey and then fantasize that I'm drilling Posh Spice in the ass.NO NO NO you have it all wrong the chicas see the famous shirt (TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR) hanging in the wardrobe and literally beg me to take photos with them wearing the most famous shirt in world football, thats soccer to you sceptics.

FH

El Perro
03-05-07, 16:36
Soon, I am going to play Moe, and Sidney and BB are going to be Curly and Larry. Youse guys are way too smart to continue to clutter up valuable space that is now being occupied by the Hunt99 and DaddyRulz love fest. DH must be doing some pretty heavy rpms in his resting space right about now.

Daddy Rulz
03-05-07, 16:59
He's nothing but a no mongering lurker, that picks up lady boys when he sneaks out of the house.

El Perro
03-05-07, 17:08
He's nothing but a no mongering lurker, that picks up lady boys when he sneaks out of the house.I both resent and deny that mean spirited accusation. #1-I can't find any ladyboys right now-I hear they are all on some fucking fishing trip in the back country, drinking Cutty Sark, and learning how to give a proper handjob. #2-I am "hatching" a plan to reenter the world of mongers by giving a good "rattling" to a well known fetus. Take that-you turncoat.

Dogg

Daddy Rulz
03-05-07, 17:25
I both resent and deny that mean spirited accusation. #1-I can't find any ladyboys right now-I hear they are all on some fucking fishing trip in the back country, drinking Cutty Sark, and learning how to give a proper handjob. #2-I am "hatching" a plan to reenter the world of mongers by giving a good "rattling" to a well known fetus. Take that-you turncoat.

DoggFunny that you know what they are drinking. I always knew there was something just not quite right about you.

Jackson you need to move all these posts to a different thread. Something like "Busting on your buds while ignoring the assholes" And of course Hunt and I need a little private area for the two of us, perhaps something with some lace curtains?

===========================================

Hi DR,

I could setup a private, password protected area of the Forum in which you and Hunt could exchange barbs, but I'm sure that within a few days somebody at Dave's house will get the password and start showing the posts to the chicas.

Thanks,

Jackson

Capt Dave
03-05-07, 19:33
Hi DR,

I could setup a private, password protected area of the Forum in which you and Hunt could exchange barbs, but I'm sure that within a few days somebody at Dave's house will get the password and start showing the posts to the chicas.

Thanks,

JacksonJackson.

There was a time when you used to investigate allegations before you shot your mouth off, but I see that has ended. I have NO idea what you think you have "uncovered" about passwords being bandied about here, but I can tell you that not only is it not true, but of the 3 guests who are here right now, not one of them is even a forum "member", and I guarantee they are not very interested in bad photos of unattractive women.

If the fact that I object to unauthorized posting of peoples nude pictures on the Internet (and despite your argument, this IS the Internet) makes you think that I am distributing your precious frat-house password, shame on you!

Perhaps you would disclose, either publicly or privately, the source of your enlightenment?

David

Dave,

If neither you or your guests care about the Private Photo Gallery, then why all the protesting?

Thanks,

Jackson

Coach 245
03-05-07, 19:36
I thought that the traitor from the Mansion has been banned! LOL.

Coach

Punter 127
03-05-07, 19:42
And I thought the lunacy in my post was obvio as well.

Besides the fact that he is a shit eating cocksucker, Hunt is really a nice guy. The last time he was here he got two BJs from Carolina at Excedra and wanted to give one to me. What a swell guy.

My new most hated monger is Flexible Horn with that Punter asshole a close second. It was going to be Dickhead but thank God that Cocksuker is gone.Why don't you Leave Flexible horn alone and pick on somebody your on size,

I'm you Huckleberry you shithead!

BTW; It's Exedra NOT Excedra.

Daddy Rulz
03-05-07, 20:46
Why don't you Leave Flexible horn alone and pick on somebody your on size,

I'm you Huckleberry you shithead!

BTW; It's Exedra NOT Excedra, shit for brains.What about all those people that actually have shit for brains, did you ever think of how they might feel from your post. You Americans make me sick!

By the way, isn't a huckleberry that little thing that dangles from the hair in your ass after taking a shit? What are you trying to say here?

In the Republic of Mongerovia Excedra is spelled Excedra!

Exon123
03-05-07, 20:55
What about all those people that actually have shit for brains, did you ever think of how they might feel from your post. You Americans make me sick!

By the way, isn't a huckleberry that little thing that dangles from the hair in your ass after taking a shit? What are you trying to say here?

In the Republic of Mongerovia Excedra is spelled Excedra!Its called a "Dingle Berry"

Punter 127
03-05-07, 21:18
By the way, isn't a huckleberry that little thing that dangles from the hair in your ass after taking a shit?

In the Republic of Mongerovia Excedra is spelled Excedra!No that would be you! You pinko bastard!

Did Exon teach you to spell?

Kleinberg
10-12-07, 11:20
Hi everyone,

I apologize for my english. (and as a newcomer perhaps is it here the wrong place)

I have been reading for a while and will be in BA in a couple of weeks, and I am wondering about the dinstinction made here beetween escorts websites and privados. As every girl that I contact through website give an answer to me leading to a privado.

So is there a true difference (except perhaps the price)

Or do the girls live in a privado, doing escorting when asked for and going to bolliches or cafe excedra at night?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

Aqualung
10-12-07, 18:34
Or do the girls live in a privado, doing escorting when asked for and going to bolliches or cafe excedra at night?That's almost right in most cases.

AllIWantIsLove
10-13-07, 02:29
Hi everyone,

Or do the girls live in a privado, doing escorting when asked for and going to bolliches or cafe excedra at night?Roxana, and who would know better, tells me that ALL of the girls on the websites work in apartments. BUT, I do sometimes find a girl on a website who says outcalls only. So I think that some very few of the girls are "escorts" who do not work at apartments.

Also, relax, your English is fine.

Bob

BA Luvr
10-14-07, 02:07
A word of advice: if you want a specific girl, see if she has a cell phone rather than a land line. The land lines generally lead to a privado, and they will always tell you your love object is available, even if she's not. You usually get right to the girl if you call her cell, and less of a chance of being disappointed.

Geo Eye
10-14-07, 13:15
Most of the time, when you call a privado, the one who answers the phone acts like it is the girl you are calling for. It is usually the madame who handles the sluts.

Just one of the many many lies in the argentine way of life.

Exon123
10-15-07, 15:04
I have no idea if these figures are true but they seem to be in line with the general pricing for women, (I have no reference to the Males)

I think quite possibly these are tourist pricing since there are more apartments and $200 peso's is a high number in an Apartment.

http://buenosaires.craigslist.org/ers/441237261.html

Heres the source, if these numbers are true we're still getting a good deal

http://sexec.com/WorldCityChart/tabid/194/Default.aspx

Exon

Orang05
10-15-07, 22:10
I agree with EX re: B. A. If I take one set of metrics. Not another. Who knows what / how they are manipulating - or why? Maybe they strive for the mean? I mean, the MEAN mean. Their Asian numbers are whacko. It looks like they reversed Bankok and Beijing, and distorted many of the others (those with which I am familiar) A cruel joke for our colleagues going to those or a few other metros unawares.

Corleone66
10-16-07, 13:19
If you take a look at theyre methodology section you see how they get such wackadoo price numbers:

"The selected sample is limited to online references to female or male sexual service providers providing one hour of sexual services to male clients for a stated price."

So it has nothing to do with what we're really paying. Or at least not much to do with it anyways. But at least since theyre comparing apples to apples we can see how we compare with other locations.

The PPP part of that site is more interesting to me - it tells you what you're worth as an escort if you go into business for yourself. It says I'm worth $172 an hour in Chicago. If only.

http://www.sexec.com/PPP/ProviderPricePredictor/tabid/56/Default.aspx

DrakeCapital
10-16-07, 13:49
Corleone,

You probably ARE worth $172/ hour in Chicago, but your client is going to have hairy nuts on your chin!

Banjo Trader
10-21-07, 13:22
I will be coming to BA for the first time next week. I have read lots of posts that mention prices. It would seem like anything from AR$120 to AR$250 is reasonable. I looked at foropiratas and those guys are talking consistently about prices at the low end of that range but I got the feeling that the quality of the women was lower than what gets talked about here.

So, I plan to turn down any offers in excess of AR$250. Is that a formula for missing out on the best or is that reasonable?

BT

Spassmusssein
10-21-07, 18:54
Never pays good.

Learn spanish or at least "spanglish" and you will go out for appr. 100Ps.

Thomaso276
10-21-07, 19:50
Banjo: you should price per zone / club.

250 is too little in Recoleta, too much in Triangle. In the triangle you can still pull for 150 hourly or less. Anyone who wants 250 in the Triangle area - you should walk.

Privados: see WT list. 50- 150 pesos.

Good luck.

Banjo Trader
10-21-07, 22:32
I am afraid to ask - what is the appropriate rate in Recoleta?

BT

Thomaso276
10-22-07, 07:49
BT: You need to read the board. I stopped going to Recoleta over 2 years ago.

Exon123
10-22-07, 13:05
Recoleta?

Bring Your Check Book Banjo Trader, starting price if she likes you is $300 peso's, It goe's up from there.

But Thomaso is right, read the board first, then ask the question if you can't find your answer on the forum.

Exon

El Perro
10-22-07, 13:22
My two cents-avoid Recoleta unless you have money to burn and don't give a shit about cost. Plus, while there are some knock out chicks in those places, they are even MORE expensive than the regular girls. As for the regular girls in Madahos, Black and La Lopez, you can find the same quality elsewhere in less expensive clothing and often less makeup in the Triangle, and other boliches. You may want to sample New Port, in the heart of Recoleta, but a bit less expensive. Though in my opinion, you have to dig there to find a decent chica who is not a crackhead and / or a whackjob. If you are not concerned with spending 250 to 350p, then if I was new in town, I would contact Roxanne to set up some girls, or take my chances with the internet girls. 250 to 350p for a decent internet girl beats the 250-350p (or much more) for club girls in Recoleta. No inflated drink prices, no "I have to get back to the club", etc. I was in La Lopez the other night. 300p was the minimum price and the quality is not all that outstanding.

Good luck.

Charbuck
10-22-07, 14:02
By the "triangle area," what area do you mean exactly? What streets form the border? I've been here for a while but I've never explicitly heard this phrase.

Char

Member #3314
10-22-07, 14:26
The triangle is Hook, Ness and Catto's.

Three bars, 2 are next to each other, the last one is across the street, forming a triangle.

150p + chica drink. I have got 2 chica's to go for 120, but that is not the norm.

I went to Madaho's the other night with money to burn looking for a knock-out. I did not find one. Seems the quality has gone down, and the price up.

Hunt99
10-22-07, 16:58
Seems the quality has gone down, and the price up.There were never high-quality girls in the Triangle. My own visits there were strictly as wingmen to guys who were convinced they were more masculine and virile if they could get a horse-faced chica down to a price of 120 pesos. It was amusing, in a pathetic kind of way, to watch the ugly women in these places try to convince me to pay them for sex. And knowing the rule that you can never monger whist drunk, I was never tempted by all the ass-wagging these Dominicanas and whatnot would try on this old, sober gringo. Except, of course, in Cattos, where it's always so dark I could never see a damn thing.

Aqualung
10-22-07, 18:12
There were never high-quality girls in the Triangle. My own visits there were strictly as wingmen to guys who were convinced they were more masculine and virile if they could get a horse-faced chica down to a price of 120 pesos. It was amusing, in a pathetic kind of way, to watch the ugly women in these places try to convince me to pay them for sex. And knowing the rule that you can never monger whist drunk, I was never tempted by all the ass-wagging these Dominicanas and whatnot would try on this old, sober gringo. Except, of course, in Cattos, where it's always so dark I could never see a damn thing.The chicas in general are very itchy. Most don't hang around one club or other for a long time. If they have had a bad week at one club and a neighbour / friend who works at a different club seems to be making money they will give the new club a try.

I have seen many girls who worked in Black at Catto's and vice versa (and Catto's is better illuminated than Hook and no worse than Black or anywhere else!

This is not the rule but it's quite common. So if you hang around the triangle you are sure to find a chica as good as the Recolleta clubs for half the price. Of course, many guys think they are more masculine and virile if they have bigger bucks to give the girls.

Everyone to his .

Member #3314
10-22-07, 21:03
I was referring to the quality of chicas in Madaho's had gone down from 6 months ago.

There was only what I would call two 8.5's in there and they were both "busy". The "fluffer" dancers are still smoking hot though.

The triangle is 4-7's in my book.

Paying more does not always equal a better lay.

AllIWantIsLove
10-23-07, 02:29
<snip> If you are not concerned with spending 250 to 350p, then if I was new in town, I would contact Roxanne to set up some girls, or take my chances with the internet girls. 250 to 350p for a decent internet girl beats the 250-350p (or much more) for club girls in Recoleta. <snip>

Good luck.In Feb. of this year I had some very acceptable internet girls for 150 pesos / hour plus cab fare (generally 20-30 pesos as I recall)

Bob

Punter 127
10-23-07, 12:46
To the contrary, IMHO, there are exceptional chicas to be found in many places. I have had great long term experiences originating from these places--Hook, New Port / Black, Nuevo Estilo, Shampoo, Exedra, Affaire Recoleta, the internet, Cattos, and Madahos. These are ranked accoring to my preferences. As you may ascertain, prices paid means nothing.This really hurts me but I have to agree with el Sid. It is possible to find exceptional chicas any place including a 30 peso privado. Never rule a place out because of a low price!

Hunt it's the hunt that makes it so much fun!

Geo Eye
05-22-08, 21:01
I can confirm that the prices were 600 pesos in this place. 70 entry fee, expensive drinks. I was on expenses and by 1:00 was feeling horny, so I took home this chica named Ornella. One thing I will say that there were any very fine girls and very few fuglies. Unfortunately I lost the charger to my phone, so I didnt have any batteries to take pics, but she was about 5'5", 38D all natural, and perfectly proportioned otherwise. Spoke great English which was definitely a plus. BBBJ and multiple positions, plus a 1/2 ass massage, but I enjoyed myself.

One bizarre note that was kind of funny and weird. All night at the bar she kept referring to herself as "My wife from Buenos Aires". As we were doing the deed she (being a screamer, definite plus in my book) kept screaming "I am your wife!" Not exactly what I wanted to hear. Lol.

On another note, and I will post this in the hotels portion also, I am staying at the NH Florida on San Martin, and it is girl friendly. Got the honeymoon suite for $150/ night. Free internet access and a bar downstairs, plus 1/2 a block from Orleans.Your paying much more than you need to much much more for both hotel and *****. This is why they the dischonest people of Argentina rip American off when they see them coming. Please negotiate.

Bassmanic
05-25-08, 00:56
Geo,

That's your opinion but I think you are off base. I went in with my eyes open, and got what I wanted. I don't see how any one could call that dishonest! Dishonest would be if we got back to the room and she asked for more. My Colombian friend who was with me attempted to negotiate and also verified with 3 other people that this is the going rate at Madahos. Sure, you may be able to negotiate less, but what's the point? I work as a sales manager going all over the world to negotiate large contracts, and go mongering 6-10 times a year. To be honest, the last thing I want to do when I go mongering is spend a bunch of time haggling with a girl. I do that for million dollar contracts, not $200 whores. She was hot, I had the money, I blew my load, and we were both happy!

As far as the hotel goes, prices were inflated and most were booked up because the Cardiologist World Congress was in town, which from talking to the doctors brought in about 20,000 people. I could not get into my regular class of hotel (Marriott, IC, etc. Or LOI suites (which came highly recommended) and most others were charging $300+ night according to all the travel web sites.

Schmoj
05-25-08, 01:10
She was hot, I had the money, I blew my load, and we were both happy!Well said Bassmanic. As far as I am concerned that is all that matters.

Daddy Rulz
05-25-08, 02:13
Well said Bassmanic. As far as I am concerned that is all that matters.I've lost track of the number of times this discussion has run through various threads and it's always the same. A guy without a lot of posts says what Bass said, "I'm here for a short time and I was drunk and horny and paid what they asked, what's the problem?" If, like others, he enjoys his time in BsAs then a few years from now with 100 posts or so he will be asking "why has pussy gotten so high?" when it's up to 400 dollars. When you could get laid well in Madahos for 100 pesos we where asking guys not to pay 150, then it was 150 and guys where paying 200 blah blah blah.

On the other hand I can't blame Bass, he's working all day to earn his money and I have to respect his right to spend it as he sees fit. If I had him on an allowance then I guess I could slap his wrist but I don't, so I won't.

What I do appreciate is the fact that he did it in a Recoletta club. What pisses me off is when they do it at the triangle clubs. So mongers and visiting punters if you don't seek value and have the money to burn please stay close to the cemetery and leave the value clubs for us guys on a budget. This same stuff had started happening at Excedra before it closed. I personally sat with guys I meet there who where there because they read about the place in this forum. We sat and talked for awhile and talked about the dynamic of over paying and then as soon as they saw something they wanted to nail they lost their huevos and opened their wallets paying 300 plus pesos to Exedra girls. The chicas talk you know they do and the next thing I know some girl I've been happily nailing for 150 pesos now wants 200 with 300 just around the corner. I've only been watching this for 5 years or more now, so I have to disagree with Jax, pussy inflation is totally driven by American and European sex tourists. I've had this confirmed by the girls and my Argie buddies.

In closing, if you just wanna pay what they ask please stay out of the triangle, it's a polite request not a demand. Prices are going up there as well but not the same as the Recoletta clubs, please do your part to preserve these hunting grounds for those of us on a budget.

Dickhead
05-25-08, 02:37
Well stated, DR. And for my part, living here, I am flat done sharing my chicas or going out with newbies. Case in point (and last straw): took a guy who was a native Spanish speaker and should have known better to a privado as he had been communicating with them by e-mail. Told him the price was X. We both sessioned. He tells me, "I ended up paying more than X, 1.3X." I asked why. "Well, she told me it was A for this plus be for that plus C for this = 1.3X." I said, "I told you it was X so why didn't you just pay that? The price is X!"

"Well, she asked me for 1.3X."

I felt like asking this (nice) guy for a fucking Ferrari. Never again. Not taking any of you guys to any of my privados, not introducing you to any of my independents, and not going to any clubs with any of you. Sorry, but it is just self-preservation.

Daddy Rulz
05-25-08, 02:57
Well stated, DR. And for my part, living here, I am flat done sharing my chicas or going out with newbies. Case in point (and last straw): took a guy who was a native Spanish speaker and should have known better to a privado as he had been communicating with them by e-mail. Told him the price was X. We both sessioned. He tells me, "I ended up paying more than X, 1.3X." I asked why. "Well, she told me it was A for this plus be for that plus C for this = 1.3X." I said, "I told you it was X so why didn't you just pay that? The price is X!"

"Well, she asked me for 1.3X."

I felt like asking this (nice) guy for a fucking Ferrari. Never again. Not taking any of you guys to any of my privados, not introducing you to any of my independents, and not going to any clubs with any of you. Sorry, but it is just self-preservation.I forget the chica but she was a 150P girl. I was sitting with a couple pilots (confirming that most pilots are assholes but that's a different story) talking to them about mongering in BsAs. Freely sharing what had been taught to me. Then this dickweed calls the girl to the table. First he asked "how much?" I felt like fucking Chili Palmer in Get Shorty, I had just told the guy never ask that under any circumstance, she said 300 he countered with 150 she said no and he said ok 300 it was that fucking fast. He left with the girl and she was back in 25 minutes, a real Stowe fuck. I'm sure he got GREAT service.

That was my fuckit moment. I'll still post, I'm happy to share info in a general way, but as far as "go here and fuck this" no way. 1707 started just that way, a nice place to fuck good looking girls. Propinas became part of pricing and the next thing it was a fucking extra charge to get your full hour you had already paid for. Guys insist on tipping at a privado then the price goes up or I can't get an uncovered BJ unless I pay a 10-25% surcharge.

Personally I don't know why any of these guys are coming to Argentina with the machine toting cops, high VD rate, terrible kidnapping problem and don't forget the snakes and rats.

Bassmanic
05-25-08, 12:18
In closing, if you just wanna pay what they ask please stay out of the triangle, it's a polite request not a demand. Prices are going up there as well but not the same as the Recoletta clubs, please do your part to preserve these hunting grounds for those of us on a budget.Not a problem. That's a valid request. Just remember though that Argentina Private is a separate forum, and my lack of posts here does not make me a newbie. I have sufficient posts for Europe and Asia on the ISG site, and in fact have been using it and posting there since it was wsg run by Atta. I just use a different handle. It is just that this was my first trip to BA, I was there for 2 days, and thus my experience on this site is limited.

Daddy Rulz
05-25-08, 12:57
Not a problem. That's a valid request. Just remember though that Argentina Private is a separate forum, and my lack of posts here does not make me a newbie. I have sufficient posts for Europe and Asia on the isg site, and in fact have been using it and posting there since it was wsg run by Atta. I just use a different handle. It is just that this was my first trip to BA, I was there for 2 days, and thus my experience on this site is limited.No offense intended, but I have seen this dynamic a few times in the last couple years.

Posts 0-50 "I will pay what I want it's a bargain"

Posts 50-150 "Prices sure are getting out of hand"

Posts 200 and up "What the fuck are you new guys doing driving up the price."

Thank you for treating my request with respect. Enjoy your travels.

DR

MCSE
07-06-08, 19:21
I was banging this chica fairly regularly for 130 pesos in March and April. I gave her up for better chicas. But still maybe once every 2 weeks. Recently, she emailed me and announced her new price was 350 pesos per hour! The justification was that she is now on Area-Vip! She says those chicas get from 300 to 1000 pesos per hour! So she is a ''bargain'' at 350 pesos! She said to please call her soon! Duh! I wasn't banging her at 130 pesos but now she wants me to pay 350 pesos an hour! What am I missing?What happened to you is not bad. It is fantastic!

This is a sample of free market capitalism in the most pure way.

The basic axiom theory holds that every man and woman is a self owner, having absolute jurisdiction over his own body.

Now, in BA, the typical cycle is:

- Chica comes from the province and she is forced to pay with her pussy for the cost the pimps paid for her aquisition.

- Chica moves to a better privado, then she is sold to an even better privado, or a private pimp (or boyfriend) and she will probably end at a boliche.

- If our chica becomes famous, or with 5 to 10 regular clients (aproximately) then our chica does not need no longer get to work everyday to a privado / boliche, then she becomes.

- Independeant and she may work at her own apartment and treat her customers as lovers / boyfriends.

- Some times, some of these boyfriends will vanish, as she is charging more for the same service, and since everyday she is getting touched by the oxidation process.

- When that happens, she may need to renew her clients portfolio, and she will be in places like area vip.

The good news is that you are free to knock her door, or look for another one, at the start of the cycle.

Dancesw/Chicas
07-06-08, 21:31
MCSE,

How about the part when they go to work abroad?

I guess that's for the top girls. And then they return to Areavip.

DWC

MCSE
07-06-08, 22:25
MCSE,

How about the part when they go to work abroad?

I guess that's for the top girls. And then they return to Areavip.

DWCGood point Dances!

Yes, the problem is most of the chicas from the province are the 3rd, 4th (etc) generation of european immigrants, and / or just no registration about their parents or grand parents, so they only have the argentine passport so they must illegaly work (in addition, they work in an illegal activity which, in many cases it's enforced by the law authorities) So, many just stay for a few months in Europe, then they return to Argentina with higher expectations of compensation. However, good point, again.

El Queso
11-04-08, 11:49
The girls that I know have said business has been bad for most of this year. It usually slows down quite a bit here in BA during January and February because a lot of the Argentinos are taking vacations, and of course this year it appears that tourist business, which would have normally helped, has slowed quite a bit.

So why haven't prices dropped yet?

The girls I know would rather keep the same prices and work less, than work more for less each time, because at the end of the day they think they will make about the same amount of money either way and they don't particularly enjoy their work most of the time.

I think they would make more money off the volume, but then I am a business man who doesn't dislike the work he does.

There are probably some deals for someone coming down who's interested in a GFE though. That is probably a volume discount that the girls would understand and would be willing to come down more on their prices.

KeithEdwards
11-05-08, 11:56
Their prices are coming down, albeit without their cooperation.

I was here in early May and changed money for 3.02. Today we

are at 3.4. That is an 11% increase in your ability to buy top

quality, cooperative Argentine women for much less than women in many

other countries.

MCSE
11-06-08, 00:01
Their prices are coming down, albeit without their cooperation.

I was here in early May and changed money for 3.02. Today we.

Are at 3.4.Funny, today, after presidencial election not only the peso (3.29) but many other currencies depreiated against the dollar. However, general tourism, due this financial crisis it's decreasing tremendously.

As I anticipated, about 1 year ago, in one of the industries I operate, there was a countinuous rising in the 2 years unfurnished rentals and a depreciation on the short term furnished rentals. This will eventually lead to many owners to stay away from the short term furnished rentals. So, the thing is when prostitutes are in a good time, temporary apartments rentals are too, It's hard to distinguish if rentors are prostitutes, or vice-versa prostitutes are brokers since both make revenue on the timing and both are very concerned on the makeup:)

Gandolf50
11-06-08, 14:54
Out here in the boon docks (as my son calls it when he visits) the most expensive boliche went from 120p a hour to 160p a hour in the past year. Drinks went up to 35p for a ladies drink. They recently dropped the 15p enrtrance fee, lowered chicas drinks to 30p and 1 hour is back to 140p but the place is still fairly empty. The people out this way don't earn the same as those in the city plus there are a lot of military customers here (Campo De Mayo is a stones throw away) and I doubt they earn very much either. But at least they are coming down a little.

Bartonsky
02-17-09, 15:48
I met these decent girl at hook the other night. I may get dinner with her tonight and maybe have her stay the night. Was curious what you guys thought was a fair price for overnight. In general is it based off the per hr rate. I just want to be in the ballpark.

Also if I take her to dinner is she gonna try to stick me with a hr rate for the dinner. I would think not but don't know. She seems pretty GFE but guess don't know yet if maybe she is just a great pro. She said she has only been working for a few months. I like her because she doesn't seem like hardened pro but maybe she is just a great actress.

Thanks,

Bart

BadMan
02-17-09, 16:34
I think some of it might have to do with how into you she is.

If she likes you and thinks she will have a good time with you, dinner and a movie should be all you need and you can give her a couple hundred pesos at the end of the night ($ 300 - $ 400 pesos max)

If this is not the case, she will probably want some type of hourly rate. But even then, you shouldn't have to pay more than $ 500-600 pesos MAX.

You should ask her how much she wants, If she gives you some far out number like $ 1000 pesos or more, it means she probably isn't that into you. If that is the case, you probably won't have a good time anyway. If she says something like " pay me whatever you want " or " $ 300 - $ 600 pesos ", that is a good sign.

Post your report and let us know how it goes.

Good luck,

BM.
I met these decent girl at hook the other night. I may get dinner with her tonight and maybe have her stay the night. Was curious what you guys thought was a fair price for overnight. In general is it based off the per hr rate. I just want to be in the ballpark.

Also if I take her to dinner is she gonna try to stick me with a hr rate for the dinner. I would think not but don't know. She seems pretty GFE but guess don't know yet if maybe she is just a great pro. She said she has only been working for a few months. I like her because she doesn't seem like hardened pro but maybe she is just a great actress.

Thanks,

Bart

Daddy Rulz
02-17-09, 18:44
I think some of it might have to do with how into you she is.

If she likes you and thinks she will have a good time with you, dinner and a movie should be all you need and you can give her a couple hundred pesos at the end of the night ($ 300 - $ 400 pesos max)

If this is not the case, she will probably want some type of hourly rate. But even then, you shouldn't have to pay more than $ 500-600 pesos MAX.

You should ask her how much she wants, If she gives you some far out number like $ 1000 pesos or more, it means she probably isn't that into you. If that is the case, you probably won't have a good time anyway. If she says something like " pay me whatever you want " or " $ 300 - $ 600 pesos ", that is a good sign.

Post your report and let us know how it goes.

Good luck,

BM.And absolutly work out the number before hand.

Bartonsky
02-17-09, 18:54
OK thanks a lot for the advice. I am probably not a great negotiator so will see how it goes. I'll probe before we leave for dinner and then guess find a lot more about her personality at dinner. That will break my heart if she is just a cunning fox but I guess I should not get my hopes up.

Again thx for teh comments.

Bart