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If detected, what is the penalty, when leaving AR at EZE. Has anyone experienced problems? Is it time consuming?
Ah, an we have our very own "illegal alien."
If I were you, I would slip out of the country today via Buquebus, then come back on the 20th via another means, with your departure ticket in hand. Hopefully they won't notice.
You will be detected, be it Buquebus or EZE, and the last time I checked (a liittle less than two years ago) the fine was 75p. I was with someone who got fined at the Buquebus and it wasn't too time consuming, like 20 minutes, but we still almost missed the boat.
But it's not that big of a deal.
Here are some options Pappy:
1) Slip a 20peso note in your passport. That'll work. "Enjoy your flight, sir".
2) Start working the chamuyo with the immigrations agent. I've chamuyoed a few "4"s and "5"s.
3) Tear the stamped page out of your passport and say it was an accident. Fuck 'em. Prove it.
When immigration slides your passport into the scanner, does anyone know what data they can see? Entry/exit dates for Argentina and other countries? Interpol data? More? I always wondered about that.
This is so simple I am surprised neither I nor anybody else thought of it earlier. Papa Benito, you just lost your passport. Damn. Of course, you have a nice xerox copy of the info page, so it should make going to the embassy for a replacement passport that much easier.;)
Yes you can get a new passport same day IIRC from the embassy in the case of loss. Of course you would be lying to a federal agent, which is a felony! But if you flushed your passport down the toilet then it wouldn't be a pure lie.
Pappy Im sure you realize that this is all in jest. Just pay the stupid p75 fee, which is about 100p cheaper and 8 hours quicker than going to Colonia anyway!
I saw someone mention before a place you can go and get a 90 day extension, without having to go to Colonia. It was near the Hilton as far as I remember. Does anyone have the info on this place? I would rather pay to have an extension stamp than have to spend a day on a ferry. Thanks
Jaimito Cartero
05-17-06, 22:59
You don't want to report your passport stolen. It raises lots of flags, and is quite expensive as well.
You don't want to report your passport stolen. It raises lots of flags, and is quite expensive as well.Papa don't care about no stinking flags!:D
Thomaso276
05-18-06, 08:24
Do not report passport stolen, go to airport early and pay the fine. Last time I was there, the Immigration office by the Sheraton told me they do not give extensions but I had heard that it was possible to have your trip extended while still in town. I never found out where to go.
You don't want to report your passport stolen. It raises lots of flags, and is quite expensive as well.Who says "stolen"? "Lost" is what I said. As in "I lost my passport at home. I know it was there, but now I can't find it." It happens all the time. It happened to me once, and no "red flags" were raised by the State Department. I was provided my replacement passport without being given the third degree.
The advice he gets here is to admit to an immigration violation rather than procure a new passport by easy means. I'd prefer the route of no trouble to the route of small-trouble-which-could-become-large-trouble. If he has any subsequent legal issues at all in Argentina, that small, 75-peso fine could become very important. Maybe the penalty is 75 pesos and no reentry into Argentina for one/three/six months. Who the hell knows?
The advice to pay this so-called "75-peso fine" is strictly hearsay. Nobody here really knows what the actual consequences are. I personally know what the actual consequences are in procuring a replacement passport: none.
When the Paraguayan chica I went to Colonia with had to pay the fine, she was totally freaked out about whatever they wrote or stamped in her passport, which she said would or could be used to harass her in Paraguay.
OTOH board member Mat was in the hospital when his 90 days were up, and so had to pay the fine at EZE, and that was well over a year ago and he's been in and out many times since, so there is no re-entry penalty at least for first-time offenders (he would have told me and I would remember). Or at least there wasn't at the time that happened, which was late '04 IIRC. Maybe PM him and see if he had any problems. He's American.
How much does a replacement US passport cost? Same as a new one?
Jaimito Cartero
05-18-06, 12:30
Who says "stolen"? "Lost" is what I said. As in "I lost my passport at home. I know it was there, but now I can't find it." It happens all the time. It happened to me once, and no "red flags" were raised by the State Department. I was provided my replacement passport without being given the third degree.The cost of the passport is still much more than the fine. Unless you know for certain that he will be blocked from reentry, your advice is foolhardy. How many times have you overstayed your visa? Were you blocked from reentry?
Unless he's overstayed it by a huge margin, he'll just cough up the money. The other thing he could do is ask the embassy. Well, if he *does* actually lose it in the future, then it will show multiple thefts and he might have problems *then*.
Jaimito Cartero
05-18-06, 12:31
How much does a replacement US passport cost? Same as a new one?If you get an emergency replacement, it's only good for a limited time. (6 months, or 2 years or some short amount of time) And the cost is the same, or pretty close.
At the CAL terminal, 2 gays eagerly discovered my violation. They were so excited! They called their skirt boss. She escorted me 300 feet to the Imigration Office. They said the fine was 50 pesos. I filled-out 5 forms. Then was instructed to go to the near-by AR bank and pay, then return to them with receipt. Really a simple but disgusting bureaucratic process. Guess my 50 pesos helped to support the 8 skirts doing nothing in that office! Then returned to CAL. I wasted about 45 minutes. Wish I had gone to Colonia.
50 pesos and 45 minutes sounds a hell of a lot better than an 8 hour, 200 peso round trip to Colonia. Did they advise you of any future problems as a result of your 90day visa violation(s)? If not, fuck the Colonia trips and just pay the fine at Ezeiza.
Jaimito Cartero
05-21-06, 23:24
50 pesos and 45 minutes sounds a hell of a lot better than an 8 hour, 200 peso round trip to Colonia. Did they advise you of any future problems as a result of your 90day visa violation (s) If not, fuck the Colonia trips and just pay the fine at Ezeiza.Yes, much better than saying you lost your passport! As long as you hand over the $50 pesos, I'm sure they'll be happy.
Hi Guys,
I think you're all missing the point here. It is just a $50 peso fine? Now he's on record as having violated Argentine law. Just like a traffic ticket isn't just a fine because there are also points against your license and possible insurance cost increases, this could also have future ramifications, perhaps to be realized the next time he tries to enter the country.
I wonder just what all those forms were that everyone filled out, and just where they'll end up?
Thanks,
Jackson
It is just a $50 peso fine? That is the issue. I'm not sure if this and your other comments are questions or answers.
The 5 forms were exactly alike---1 for Immigration, 1 for Bank, 1 for CAL, 1 for Customs, and 1 for me. All they seemed to want was 50 pesos. But, possibly Jackson is correct. I would try again. I do enjoy the quiet serenity of Colonia.
Hi Moore,
They're not answers. I don't have the answers. I'm just posing the questions because I think there's more to this than just paying a fine.
I do know this: If you overstay a USA visa you may never be allowed back into the country.
Thanks,
Jackson
To those of you who recommended that Pappy "lose" his passport and get a new, fresh one - do you think that Argentina immigrations can't still see when he entered the country? I'd wager they can and do. And he conveniently "lost"/replaced his passport a few days earlier with intent to deceive federal authorites in two countries? Are we into criminal territory yet, are the binational charges snowballing? The passport belongs to the US government so tack on destruction, or at least fraudulent obtaining, of federal property as well. Then DNA tests are run on Pappy's literally blood-stained hands and shirt which of course match the taxi driver that he assaulted 90 minutes earlier in the Ezeiza parking lot and is currently filing charges.
Since we're discussing hypothetical scenarios.
No worries, nearby Paraguay will take anyone.
Daddy Rulz
05-22-06, 02:35
To those of you who recommended that Pappy "lose" his passport and get a new, fresh one - do you think that Argentina immigrations can't still see when he entered the country? I'd wager they can and do. And he conveniently "lost"/ replaced his passport a few days earlier with intent to deceive federal authorites in two countries? Are we into criminal territory yet, are the binational charges snowballing?
Since we're discussing the hypothetical worst case scenario.
No worries, nearby Paraguay will take anyone.No APIS doesn't stand for what an Argy football fan does in my buildings lobby on Friday nights. It stands for Automated Passport Information System, it's one of those "big brother" things brought on by the currant Junta en Los EEUU. Its the bar code on your passport.
When they scan your passport coming they are makeing sure that your data (including photo) and the data that is on your passport matches what is on the bar code. If you lose your passport, or say you do, you would still be fucked as your entry information in Apis is associated with your bar code in your passport.
Rockin Bob
05-22-06, 18:30
Hi Guys,
I think you're all missing the point here. It is just a $50 peso fine? Now he's on record as having violated Argentine law. Just like a traffic ticket isn't just a fine because there are also points against your license and possible insurance cost increases, this could also have future ramifications, perhaps to be realized the next time he tries to enter the country.
I wonder just what all those forms were that everyone filled out, and just where they'll end up?
Thanks,
JacksonFrom what I have been told and from limited experience, Brazil, which is far more be-busting than Argentina, seems to have no problem with this. You pay a fine of up to 800 reals depending on how long you have overstayed. The funny thing is, you pay when (and if) you return. So naturally they'll be happy to let you come back. The thing is, now they know you, so they will look a bit more closely at your situation. My gut feeling is, here in Argentina it's not going to be a problem.
And yes, there's always Paraguay if you need a country to go to in a pinch.
I re-entered AR with no problems.
Bairespirata
06-22-06, 21:07
I think it should be possible to get an 90 days extension at the Direccion de Migraciones at the Artantigua de Argentina. It may be boring to wait in the office, but it's both less time consuming and cheaper than going to Colonia. But Colonia is a really special city so I think I go there (again)
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