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Iamzonzon
09-30-09, 15:31
Gentlemen with first hand experience in BA, Uruguay, Paraguay, and South Brazil:

Often within these threads there are points - let me call them AGE GAPS and LEAGUE GAPS - that are touched only tangently. For example, a recent except from PreciousOne, "There is absolutely no way I could have her WITHOUT THE SUELDO as I am 42 and presumably too old for her."

The session, or relationship, you can have with a pro who is "into" you - no matter how slight - is 100% better than the opposite. The relationship you can have with a non pro, obviously, requires her consent at least, ideally some chemistry and passion, of course.

SO WHAT'S THE DEAL IN BA?

When I explain this to guys that have never been out of the USA, I call this cultural arbitrage, or the currency of ass.

In the USA, when I was a lifeguard and 25 years old, let's say I was worth one dollar. That means that I could gamefully hunt young, desirable tail at full value. Now, I am 45. "Correct age alignment" in the US suggests that I SHOULD be dating women that are older than 35 (FUCK THAT). So, in the USA, my value has been reduced to let's say 55 cents - probably much less :)

However, in the Dominican Republic, I am $1.75. In Romania, I am .80 cents. In Colombia, I am $ 1.25. You get the idea? It pays to change the rules of the game.

I understand that Portenas are bitchy and hard to get (for real, not P2P).

BUT, I WOULD LOVE SOME REAL INPUT and OBSERVATIONS on cultural norms and the realities of Age Gaps and League Gaps that exist today in BA, and how they may differ in surrounding countries.

Toymann
09-30-09, 20:40
This is all good news for the Toymann.

I'm guessing that at under 50 years of age, after factoring in the grumpy old codger Sidney factor, that the Toymann (in Argentina) must be like the credit card commercials.

Priceless!

Happy Mongering All. Toymann.

See ya all soon!

Hunt99
09-30-09, 20:42
This one was too easy.

In reality I have a bit more hair than in my photo, below.

Iamzonzon
09-30-09, 21:24
In my asinine metaphor:) I tried to establish ONE DOLLAR as the optimum value that all off us could be valued in our physical prime. Perhaps Sidney is an exception.

But there is a real question here. Anybody gonna take a stab at answering it?

(I will find out myself in just a little bit. I'll be happy to fill in the blanks then. And it don't really matter on way or the other - I was just curious on what I might find)

Member #4112
09-30-09, 23:09
Always found "Benny" to be a girls best friend no matter the country. My value is somewhere in the negative neighborhood, just above deceased!

Wild Walleye
10-01-09, 00:20
Always found "Benny" to be a girls best friend no matter the country. My value is somewhere in the negative neighborhood, just above deceased!It will help my ego if I can get into double digits.

Whiskas
10-01-09, 00:50
In my asinine metaphor:) I tried to establish ONE DOLLAR as the optimum value that all off us could be valued in our physical prime. Perhaps Sidney is an exception.

But there is a real question here. Anybody gonna take a stab at answering it?

(I will find out myself in just a little bit. I'll be happy to fill in the blanks then. And it don't really matter on way or the other - I was just curious on what I might find)Iamzonzon:

In my opinion words become facts, If you limit yourself to your known limits you will never surpass them. How much is a dollar these days? Man, you can hardly buy a little pack of cheap chew gum! I agree with another comment which recommends double digits.

My value according to my own criteria is the following:

Face: 50 cts.

Ass: suggested retail price 35 cts, this offer is only for ladies so gents abstain.

Age: 85 cts.

Waistline: 40 cts.

Legs and torso: 75 cts.

Willie: 75 cts.

Willie cialis boosted: 2.75 (UK pounds of course)

Tongue cunnilinguistica: 1 krugerrand per session (argentinos de oro or mexican centenarios welcome)

Wits: 1.00 usd.

Balls: 5 krugerrands, no kidding.

Overall: Girl in question will have to answer since beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

With all due respect to the rest of the forum members, I think some of you need a little boost in self esteem, maybe I will sound like Dr. Phil or Robert Kiyosaki but if you believe in yourself you get many things and of course good tail.

Good hunting Gents.

BadMan
10-01-09, 02:55
So basically IAM.

You ain't getting a straight answer from anyone.

Good luck with that though.

Regards,

BM

Schmoj
10-01-09, 13:01
It will help my ego if I can get into double digits.Chilean pesos will give you a few extra digits.

Wild Walleye
10-01-09, 13:27
Chilean pesos will give you a few extra digits.Iamz:

I think that the notion you are getting to is that self-imposed barriers to success, whether conscious or subconscious unnecessarily limit the field of opportunity, before one even steps foot on the battle field.

I happen to agree. So much in life is about how one carries oneself. I have seen women of marginal attractiveness command the attention and desire of everyone in the room and I have seen guys much less attractive than me walk out the door with some great looking ladies.

The purest form is ingrained in the DNA of some people. They are totally confident with themselves, no matter how accurate or inaccurate their self image is. Others come to their confidence through achievement and experience. Still others compensate for a lack of confidence by substituting other 'qualities' for general deficiencies in their self image, usually in the form of throwing money around or blatant displays of wealth (this is not P4P to which I refer)

While on this subject:

I was driving in a large US city yesterday and heard this really load music booming from a car pulling up beside me. When I looked over, I started laughing. It was a normal looking, 30-ish guy dressed in city-black trying to look cool and draw attention to himself. Absolutely no sense of subtlety, confidence or purpose--just hey everybody look at me.

Now, you can see this type of behavior anywhere and anytime. What made me laugh was that he was driving a black Bentley Continental GT convertible (base price $197,000) If you are driving that car and still feed the need to over compensate, you got problems.

Back to the subject at hand. In my opinion, to be successful in the game to which Iamz refers, you need to be free of preconceived notions about what is in your league and what is not. You have to believe that you can pull any chica (non-pro or pro) from any type of setting. Then, you have to try many times and learn from each experience. You must keep your confidence in tact despite rejection and keep trying.

Iamzonzon
10-01-09, 16:22
Thanks for the serious reply Wild - this may be the last lol.

And while I respect your statements, and agree 100% , you only scratched the surface. Anybody that is on this board should have a healthy sex drive, correcto? I imagine that makes most of us stay in shape to a greater than lesser degree. And, confidence, you gotta have it! That is one of the benefits of age / maturity. That is one of the weaknesses in Latin men almost universally.

But, after you go to the club scene in NY; LA; Miami; you begin to see patterns and expectations that play out. Leagues do exist for sure. But, as you point out, charisma, personality, and confidence is very much part of the equation.

A couple years ago, I was married to a very attractive "famous" artist / designer. I thought I was happy, or content. I was around the most beautiful women in the fashion, design, and jewelry industries. Never cheated or had an affair until that one time:) Which explains the next phase of life. I got in the adult industry in the USA. WOW! That gave me a different perspective. Then, I traveled extensively in EE; CA; and SA.

There is a difference how beautiful, sexy, eligible women receive me in these various areas. It does not cause any barrier, or confidence problem, for me to be aware of this. In fact, it makes "my game" much better.

One my first night back from South America (after living there for a half a year) I found myself in a club picking up a 28 year old hottie in Ft. Lauderdale. What I struck me most in this moment was not how hot this American chick was, but rather the enormous amount of attention and work it takes, and would take, for me to spend time with her. I was not trading for the same exchange as I was only hours before (AND, by USA standards, I was doing really good).

One of the things I noticed when I lived in Colombia, was that the women did not value a man purely on his looks. I noticed the same with women in Ukraine and Romania too. In these countries, HOT, SEXY, YOUNG women are often with men who are middle aged and look sort of like shit. Again, there are different leagues and this varies country by country, culture by culture.

I had a girlfriend in Colombia - non pro. She came from a good family (not poor and desparate) She spoke French, Spanish, English AND Japanese. She had a full ride university scholarship - and she is a young looking 21. She LOVED ME 100% AND she had to justifiably watch out for her friends because they were overly friendly with me. I am NOT foolish enough to think such a thing is doable in the USA. No Fucking way!

There are different leagues based on the country and culture for sure. I have a friend, God love him, he is my age and just but ugly. The mother fucker weighs about 300 lbs. Great Guy! But I would not fuck him! He goes to Thailand exclusively. Why? Because Fat Guys are not considered ugly there. There actually are few of gordos in Thailand - and the Buddha is worshiped. He does very very well with hot girls there. Go figure!?!?

I IMAGINE Argentina is more like the US and less like Colombia. To what degree exactly, I do not know.

Big Travel Guy
10-02-09, 01:52
Imaz,

The problem is that you're speaking a different language than most of us old mongers here on this board. I appreciate your earnest curiosity about matters of life and love in Argentina, and I realize you really want to get the lay of the land, so to speak, but most of us are mongers. P4P mongers.

So, in answer to your initial question, at my age, with my looks, and with my limited Spanish language skills, my currency of ass in BA, as it is in virtually any Latin country, or pretty much any foreign country anywhere on this planet, is pennies on the dollar at best. More correctly stated, in BA and other countries down there, they simply don't accept my currency. They accept real life, real world cash, cheerfully, when I pay for sex. But I can't pick up girls in my second language for free, and haven't been able to for decades, if I ever could have

I suspect most of the readers on this forum are about the same as me.

If you're still rich, handsome, fluent, and can be in the market to score hot Chicas in-country when you travel to Latin America, God bless you, but for most all of the rest of us, well.

Hunt99
10-02-09, 08:26
If you're still rich, handsome, fluent, and can be in the market to score hot Chicas in-country when you travel to Latin America, God bless youYes He has!

El Queso
10-02-09, 16:56
There are different leagues based on the country and culture for sure. I have a friend, God love him, he is my age and just but ugly. The mother fucker weighs about 300 lbs. Great Guy! But I would not fuck him! He goes to Thailand exclusively. Why? Because Fat Guys are not considered ugly there. There actually are few of gordos in Thailand - and the Buddha is worshiped. He does very very well with hot girls there. Go figure!Paraguay is similar in this. I have had this conversation with many girls, including those of my wife and family, who agree that someone who has "meat on his bones", that it is a sign of prosperity.

I'm a bit overweight myself (about 225, 5'11) and have recently been excersing and dieting because I find myself to be TOO overweight. I am an ex-athlete (played ice hockey for 17 years) and have a good framework to start with. But my wife expressed concern that I would end up looking like just another skinny guy when I lost my weight!

Poor countries like Paraguay and Thailand (although different in many ways) have some things in common, like poverty. Those who have nothing are usually (not always) skinny, sometimes to the pont of emaciation. Those who are successful eat a lot, and are proud of their weight. And attract females.

In Paraguay, another thing that is attractive to women, is good teeth and white skin. I know a girl who, when she goes back to Paraguay to visit family (particularly in the summer) wears a long-sleeved shirt with a high neck, long pants and gloves to ensure that she doesn't get too dark while she's there. This is while working outside in the 110 degree weather. When she returns to Argentina, she wants to make sure that she can attract guys because to her, dark skin is a turn off - in her culture everyone works outside a lot, is blasted by the sun, and relatively early in their life seem to have leathery skin as a result as well.

One of the first thing many chicas from Paraguay will do when working here, with their earnings, is have their teeth worked on to make them clean, or replace old, horrible false teeth that they got in Paraguay, etc.

When they saw my teeth, which are not perfect, a little brown from smoking, but totally natural and strong, that and my white skin were about all they could talk about. My wife got real jealous on one visit - I went to the horse races (very informal and really cool) near where they lived and for a week afterward I was the talk of the whole barrio as the women talked about what a hunk I was. Along with my weight, I am 47 and my freaking beard is turning white!

At the end of the day, females are generally attracted, at the gut level, to those who they think are going to provide for them and their future (even fi they're just looking for some fun) Many times, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, this means that their society generally helps determine what that standard is.

The other thing that Paraguayn chicas in general like is age. They like a more mature man because, again, they know they are likely to be better treated by someone with age than a younger dude who just cares about getting his rocks off and generally treats women with extreme machismo.

Iam, you are right, that there is a definite currency exchange rate on body weight, depending on where you are. Many guys don't take that into account when thinking about what they COULD have in poorer places, instead having their comparisons brought from the society in which they were raised.

Having said that, a lot of mongers (and I completely understand this) are very purposefully ignoring this "exchange rate", in favor of being able to pay to satisfy their sexual needs and not have to deal with "The Chase" and all of the other rituals required to get a "regular" chica into the sack.

I think the exchange rate for "regular" Argentinas is closer to what you would expect in the States as far as body weight goes. But chicas that are here from poorer Latin American countries may not be the same - it depends on how much they have culturaly assimilated in being here.

At the end of the day, your exchange rate depends on how well you mesh with the expectations of success in the specific culture you're in.

Schmoj
10-02-09, 17:22
At the end of the day, your exchange rate depends on how well you mesh with the expectations of success in the specific culture you're in.Good post cheese. I think your final sentence describes all aspects of life, not just chicas.

Iamzonzon
10-02-09, 18:25
While I absolutely thank and appreciate Big Travel for his candor, I have to amplify Big Cheeses' observations.

Don't close your eyes and accept things as they are. Think about the choices and ask "how can I change the rules of the game."

I have a friend in Cali who is 65 and looks his age. SIXTY FIVE.

But, the guy is a real sweet guy, cool guy, and the girls LOVE this FUCKER:) I mean really, they fight for his attention. I was sort of jealous!

Now, he has a couple girl friends and dates girls that are a little too young and hot than perhaps he should. This guy is loving life. However, he has had real novias that are mid 30's and very happy with him. Of course, he gives gifts and buys diner, etc. BUT HE DOES NOT PAY monger freight. And these girls are definitely non pros. he started www.sotb.com

Same is true with friends of mine that live in the DR.

So, while P4P is sport. It does not NEED TO BE the only way. Which again simply says that men are valued differently in different cultures and countries. So, does anyone want to take a stab at comparing USA to BA?

(Cheese - I love hearing about Paraguay! Can't wait to visit.

Whiskas
10-02-09, 20:38
So, while P4P is sport. It does not NEED TO BE the only way. Which again simply says that men are valued differently in different cultures and countries.

(Cheese - I love hearing about Paraguay! Can't wait to visit.Iamzonzon, excellent comment, El Queso, I have heard something about fat guys in Paraguay but never believed it until you confirmed. Sounds like the right place to be in the next decade, low taxes, good chances, nice and good looking girls. I'm heading there, no doubt about it!

El Queso
10-02-09, 21:27
As an aside on the concept of big guys and beautiful chicas - I mentioned before (somewhere) that I met a well-connected real estate businessman (Paraguayo) in Asuncion earlier in the year. This guy is BIG. He weighs at LEAST 300 pounds, maybe closer to 350. He was a couple of years younger than me, in his early 40's.

We stopped by his house one day and he introduced me to his family. His wife was very cute, bordering on beautiful. Late 20s / early 30s, slim, petite, very nice and well able to carry on a good conversation.

My thought at the time was "if he can land someone like this - imagine what a foreigner could do here!"

Schmoj
10-02-09, 22:27
As an aside on the concept of big guys and beautiful chicas - I mentioned before (somewhere) that I met a well-connected real estate businessman (Paraguayo) in Asuncion earlier in the year. This guy is BIG. He weighs at LEAST 300 pounds, maybe closer to 350. He was a couple of years younger than me, in his early 40's.

We stopped by his house one day and he introduced me to his family. His wife was very cute, bordering on beautiful. Late 20s / early 30s, slim, petite, very nice and well able to carry on a good conversation.

My thought at the time was "if he can land someone like this - imagine what a foreigner could do here!"Como ya sabes, la billetera gana!

What I like about P4P in BsAs is that is literally allows me to live like Charlie Sheen. I definitely ain't paying them because they come over. Hell, I don't even allow them over.

On the flipside, I think some of you are selling yourself short. There are a different set of rules outside of Western Europe and North America. Once you adjust, life is good.

Whiskas
10-03-09, 01:30
As an aside on the concept of big guys and beautiful chicas - I mentioned before (somewhere) that I met a well-connected real estate businessman (Paraguayo) in Asuncion earlier in the year. This guy is BIG. He weighs at LEAST 300 pounds, maybe closer to 350. He was a couple of years younger than me, in his early 40's.

We stopped by his house one day and he introduced me to his family. His wife was very cute, bordering on beautiful. Late 20s / early 30s, slim, petite, very nice and well able to carry on a good conversation.

My thought at the time was "if he can land someone like this - imagine what a foreigner could do here!"The guy whose story I knew is a big fugly mexican entrepreneur (I know his dad) who has also a nice lady even though he could easily be a japanese sumotori.

Reminds me a little of my country some 30 years ago, the richer men were the ones with the biggest guts.

Greetings.

Whiskas

Iamzonzon
10-03-09, 20:03
"What I like about P4P in BsAs is that is literally allows me to live like Charlie Sheen. I definitely ain't paying them because they come over. Hell, I don't even allow them over.

On the flipside, I think some of you are selling yourself short. There are a different set of rules outside of Western Europe and North America. Once you adjust, life is good."

I agree 100%. When I lived in Cali, I would go to my favorite Casa de Cita after lunch just to take the edge off. Then, I had the night to date and party with the non - pros. It if worked out, great. If not, I was only a couple hours away from my next pit stop. (I noticed that when in that mind frame, I got much more lucky - go figure)

They are different moods and they produce different experiences. And since I have not gotten any good answers to the basic question of how non pro women in BA and surrounding areas, differ from chicks in the USA - or anywhere else for that matter. I promise to write a long trip report on the subject as soon as I am qualified.

Exon123
10-04-09, 12:12
"What I like about P4P in BsAs is that is literally allows me to live like Charlie Sheen. I definitely ain't paying them because they come over. Hell, I don't even allow them over.

On the flipside, I think some of you are selling yourself short. There are a different set of rules outside of Western Europe and North America. Once you adjust, life is good."

I agree 100%. When I lived in Cali, I would go to my favorite Casa de Cita after lunch just to take the edge off. Then, I had the night to date and party with the non - pros. It if worked out, great. If not, I was only a couple hours away from my next pit stop. (I noticed that when in that mind frame, I got much more lucky - go figure)

They are different moods and they produce different experiences. And since I have not gotten any good answers to the basic question of how non pro women in BA and surrounding areas, differ from chicks in the USA - or anywhere else for that matter. I promise to write a long trip report on the subject as soon as I am qualified.Thats a pretty good post above Iamzonzon.

Its that different set of rules that make's Argentina for me. Jackson and I were talking once. "Man has a God given right to get laid", its something we need and must do and not allowed in our culture.

In the North American culture we must either except illegal, expensive, shitty service or "Jack Off". In latin cultures, especially South America and particulary in Argentina for me its completely different. We can have what we want anytime we want it.

Its much cheaper that a wife or girl friend. We don't have to romance them which takes both time, money & work. We can sit back and relax with no pressure on us. Suppose we get the urge, a blow job would be nice, possibly a handjob or full service. That urge can be satisfied in a matter of minutes and we can go on about our business and put it in the back of minds.

Exon

BadMan
10-04-09, 14:14
Great post Exon.

I agree 100%. If only all our American brethren knew what they were missing.

Regards,

BM

Exon123
10-04-09, 20:17
Don't tell em Badman, but I don't think we have to worry much.

Its like my old fishen lake, there was 12 or 15 miles of bad road in there, but great fishing. Then the Forset Service paved the road, it was easy to get there but the fishing got bad, to much pressure.

Same goes for Mongering, the harder it is to get there, the better the Mongering. The easy Mongering gets Fucked up quickly, the hard Mongering, (A 10 or 12 hour airplane ride) that keep's the pressure off.

All that said the American Monger is begining to hear about Argentina.

Exon

Damman
10-04-09, 22:07
All that said the American Monger is begining to hear about Argentina. ExonThe Internet changed everything Exon. How did we survive before the Internet?

Wild Walleye
10-05-09, 13:36
The Internet changed everything Exon. How did we survive before the Internet?Despite the fact that his dalliance appeared not to be P4P, it drew some additional lookers to the area.

Westy
01-09-10, 14:52
Paraguay is similar in this. I have had this conversation with many girls, including those of my wife and family, who agree that someone who has "meat on his bones", that it is a sign of prosperity.

At the end of the day, females are generally attracted, at the gut level, to those who they think are going to provide for them and their future (even fi they're just looking for some fun) Many times, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, this means that their society generally helps determine what that standard is.

The other thing that Paraguayn chicas in general like is age. They like a more mature man because, again, they know they are likely to be better treated by someone with age than a younger dude who just cares about getting his rocks off and generally treats women with extreme machismo.

At the end of the day, your exchange rate depends on how well you mesh with the expectations of success in the specific culture you're in.Ye Gods. When I compare my home country (USA) and especially my home city (Washington, DC) - the most self-important city in the most self-important nation on Earth - "day and night" doesn't even come close to the contrast. The USA is indeed Sex Prison, and Washington is the Supermax.

Queso, you remind me of how much I enjoyed my few brief visits to Asuncion. Your post reassures me that maybe, just maybe, the paraguayitas that brightened my nights could have been attracted to me by more than just my money. The notion that my "white European" looks, my "not-quite-obese" build, my "fatherly" age, are all "plus points" in the eyes of "La Paraguayita" - it's very, very pleasant to consider.

My one reservation about Paraguay is that I want to live by the ocean, or maybe even on the ocean, when the time comes that I can move out of the USA. However, ASU isn't far from, let's say, Montevideo - or Punta del Este, or Florianopolis; any of which could suit me perfectly. (And it would be a good "tax stop" for a perpetual-tourist life, where I'm never in any one country long enough to owe income tax: 5 months in Brazil, 5 months in Uruguay, a couple of months elsewhere.

I'm going to savor this "food for thought." Thanks again.

Tequila Tim
01-10-10, 13:00
As a current resident of the DC area, I can confirm westy's remark that DC is the supermax of these United Sex Prison States of America, but I do have one observation about the "currency" issue. There is a basic philosophical different between Gringos and Latinos in terms of age segregation (and not just in terms of sexual possibilities) One thing I admire about the Latin culture is people are not defined by age. For example, the elderly are not "warehoused" in old-age homes, they stay with thier families (along with younger adults who in the US would be off to pursue thier independence in thier segregated youth community) This I feel is a "seed" for the "ewww, he could be my father" crap we experience in the States. In a recent trip to Asuncion when I was eating at an outdoor cafe, I noticed a young college girl walking by carrying a biochemistry text book. Since this is my field I stopped her and waved her over to my table. After an initial "raised eye" look she came over and we had an absolutely lovely chat. The point? I think if I had done this in DC I would have probably received a frosty response. I say probably because I really don't bother with the youngsters here. Too many pre-conceived notions to fight through.

Mista Issa
02-17-10, 13:07
Tequila Tim & Westy,

Hahaha I just moved from the DC area to Brazil and GOOD GOD I could not agree with you more. Not only is DC one of the ugliest cities in the USA (it is consistently ranked up there) but the people are so stuck up. I've seen more gorgeous women here in a month in Brazil than I did in two years in DC. So glad I got out.