Has Paddy Power or Vegas offered odds yet on the Pope being a pedophile?
Incredible. Is there a more sick organization under the sun? Just askin'.
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Has Paddy Power or Vegas offered odds yet on the Pope being a pedophile?
Incredible. Is there a more sick organization under the sun? Just askin'.
[QUOTE=Doggboy]Has Paddy Power or Vegas offered odds yet on the Pope being a pedophile? Incredible. Is there a more sick organization under the sun? Just askin'.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's called the Congressional Page Program:)
[QUOTE=Tequila Tim]Yes, it's called the Congressional Page Program:)[/QUOTE]LOL. Smaller in scope but just as dangerous?:)
I suppose pretty much everyone is convinced that the abuse issue within the Catholic Church is old news, but the extent and gravity of it continues to amaze me. At this point it's life imitating art with sick, sadistic, kid fucking and sucking weirdos running amuck in their weird get-ups everywhere.
Terry Gilliam should do the movie.
Although my comments aren't going to be about the pedophile aspect of this, which is horrible, without a single doubt, there are other aspects that make the Catholic church pretty horrible as well. I can hardly think of many good ones because any good that they do is so overshadowed with all the bad.
I was talking with my wife's brother last night, who was giving their cousin and my wife a hard time because they were going dancing tonight. I was trying to understand why it was bad for them to do so. He kept telling me because of "semana santa and cuaresma."
I didn't understand at first (being completely 100% areligious - I don't even consider myself atheist, much less knowing much about the inner workings of the "Catholic faith") It took me awhile to actually get out of him what the problem was, because I knew that "semana santa" (holy week) was something like 5 days before easter, and then terminating in easter itself, but I didn't understand "cauresma" and why this was bad for dancing.
In Paraguay (at least - I'm sure there are other locations as well, maybe even here) the Catholic church (or the followers thereof, following in the footsteps of one of the greatest superstitions ever) has convinced the populace that it is horribly bad luck to dance, sing, or do anything that is happy during this time. People berate their neighbors if they hear music or see anyone wearing bright clothes. There are fights and sometimes serious injuries over this kind of thing.
I looked up "cuaresma" online and found that it was supposed to be 40 days of reflection and meditation, but is not supposed to be a sad time. They change a little bit how they do Mass during this time to reflect some of these changes, but not being Catholic, I didn't understand the differences mentioned. It sure didn't sound to me like it was a time of banning singing and happiness.
But what gets me is, as I was talking to the brother last night, they all start recounting these horrible stories of people who are sad, crying, even wailing at times. They castigate anyone who happens to play music or dance. Some try to go on week-long fasts, drinking only water, and insisting that their children do the same! These are people who are already so damned skinny and malnourished to begin with that it hurts sometimes to look at them! People who at 25 years look like they're 50!
I've been to Rome and I've done tours of the Vatican et al. I was blown away by the sheer opulence of the place, the absolute riches that not only hung from the very walls, but existed in the materials of the walls themselves. It was incredible. Even down to a store that is on the roof of the Vatican near the Cupola that sells religious items (I actually bought a bottle opener that had the image of Jesus on it - I couldn't resist!
It is a monument to man's most serious flaws, if you ask me.
Religion itself has its own problems. However, there are some good things that can come out of it on the individual level. But other than that, the Catholic church, to me, represents the worst in man both from the Wolf's side and the Sheep's side.
We all know why Catholic priests are so given to pedophilia and buggering boys, etc. I don't think I need to go too far into the unnaturalness of what they require of men as priests and the type of tortured person that is likely to attract.
[QUOTE=El Queso]In Paraguay (at least - I'm sure there are other locations as well, maybe even here) the Catholic church (or the followers thereof, following in the footsteps of one of the greatest superstitions ever) has convinced the populace that it is horribly bad luck to dance, sing, or do anything that is happy during this time. People berate their neighbors if they hear music or see anyone wearing bright clothes. There are fights and sometimes serious injuries over this kind of thing.
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But what gets me is, as I was talking to the brother last night, they all start recounting these horrible stories of people who are sad, crying, even wailing at times. They castigate anyone who happens to play music or dance. Some try to go on week-long fasts, drinking only water, and insisting that their children do the same! These are people who are already so damned skinny and malnourished to begin with that it hurts sometimes to look at them! People who at 25 years look like they're 50![/QUOTE]El Queso,
The poverty in which 90% of Latin America lives does not arise from the Catholic Church, but from inequal economic conditions.
Is economy that establishes the standards of living for the people, not religiousness.
Free market, cheapening of basic products, underfeeding, low salaries and depreciated currency sistems only for the benefit of Big Multinational Companies, are not attributed at the least to the Catholic Church nor the Pope, for more perverted he might be, but to the inhuman social conditions imposed by capitalism.
In Eduardo Galeano's words:
"The international division of labor consists that some countries specialize in winning and others in losing. Our part of the world, known today as Latin America, was precocious: he specialized in losing from the remote days when the Europeans from the Renaissance rushed through the sea and buried their teeth in his throat.
We lost, others won. But happens that the ones who won, won because we lost."
Underdevelopment is not a stage of development, but its consequence.
Religion, El Queso, in the worst case, nowadays the only thing that tries to do is to palliate this inequality.
One last thing before the end,.
All this condemning talk and scraping of clothes about fucking, sick and sadistic weirdos in Catholic Church is funny. The most read it in a web site that promotes sexual tourism, where not long ago an ad was posted about the selling of a virgin, another one looking for dwarfs for sexual intercourse or the most recent, where someone opely asks the members about the best place to buy dope.
Men, if there's hypocrisy in this world I surely know where to find it:)
And no, I'm not Catholic.
I'm atheist.
One of my favorite orgy scenes in the Marquis de Sade is when Juliette and her girlfriends take on a whole monastery.
As one of the priests explains it, who would know more than a priest that the whole Catholic church thing was a fraud to victimize the gullible!
[QUOTE=Julio]El Queso,
The poverty in which 90% of Latin America lives does not arise from the Catholic Church, but from inequal economic conditions.
Is economy that establishes the standards of living for the people, not religiousness.
Free market, cheapening of basic products, underfeeding, low salaries and depreciated currency sistems only for the benefit of Big Multinational Companies, are not attributed at the least to the Catholic Church nor the Pope, for more perverted he might be, but to the inhuman social conditions imposed by capitalism.
In Eduardo Galeano's words:
"The international division of labor consists that some countries specialize in winning and others in losing. Our part of the world, known today as Latin America, was precocious: he specialized in losing from the remote days when the Europeans from the Renaissance rushed through the sea and buried their teeth in his throat.
We lost, others won. But happens that the ones who won, won because we lost."
Underdevelopment is not a stage of development, but its consequence.
Religion, El Queso, in the worst case, nowadays the only thing that tries to do is to palliate this inequality.
One last thing before the end,
All this condemning talk and scraping of clothes about fucking, sick and sadistic weirdos in Catholic Church is funny. The most read it in a web site that promotes sexual tourism, where not long ago an ad was posted about the selling of a virgin, another one looking for dwarfs for sexual intercourse or the most recent, where someone opely asks the members about the best place to buy dope.
Men, if there's hypocrisy in this world I surely know where to find it:)
And no, I'm not Catholic.
I'm atheist.[/QUOTE]I didn't blame the Catholic Church for the ills of South America and its poverty. However, given the amount of wealth that the church has accumulated over the millenia, they could have single-handedly raised large portions of the world from poverty if they really practices that which they preached.
Can you imqgine those poor people, as poor as they really are, being required to still give a 10% tithe to their church? Heh.
And Julio, I know who you blame for South America's problems. It's a cop-out. It's a way for those who are losing to make themselves feel better. Life is not a zero-sum game - they don't have to lose, the "evil capitalists" have not taken "everything." They have in reality chosen their own path by letting their own leaders keep them ignorant and blame capitalism and imperialism on their woes while their leaders use prestidigitation to hide what's really going on and take all their money.
Give me a fucking break - one only has to try to do business here to understand why they are in such problems. It's a lesson the US had better learn real quick or we will be going down the same road - we are at the "y" in the road now. I wonder what it is exactly that the US leaders, in that worst case scenario, would tell its ignorant populace to believe that gave them such a bad hand in life.
BTW - sorry, but the church actually does help that poverty along - it teaches them to put up with life as it is, be good little sheep, and when they die they will get a better reward. The church is in league with the state dude, you better bet its part of the problem. As an avowed "atheist" you should know that.
As far as sex tourism goes - how in the hell is that practice hypocritical compared to priests buggering little boys? I doubt very much that anyone on this board goes out and makes a vow of celibacy and then goes out and buggers little boys or young, underage girls. Most of us believe that it is up to the individual as to what their morality consists of, outside of murder and theft and abuse of minors of any persuasion (I'm sure I didn't name all we are against!).
Do you, as an "atheist" say that the women who sell their time and the use of their bodies don't have that right? There's not a man on this board, I don't think, who thinks that prostitution should be illegal in the US. They're here because it is illegal and they say "I don't agree with your laws so I'll go somewhere else and spend my money." How exactly is that hypocritical?
As far as whether the person selling their boy is a virgin or a dwarf - so what? As long as it is legal - so what? And how is that hypocritical?
Do you think it better that those who sell their bodies only get money from their countrymen or something? There sure as hell aren't hardly any jobs that pay as well as the money that almost all of them make - I know - I have family working unskilled jobs here, making 1500 pesos a month and less and living on that - and they're not poor, here. I don't think any poor in the States live on $375 dollars a month - the government welfare program is better than that!
You guys, who put up with the system in which you live, are hypocrits for paying your prostitutes more than you do your doctors and teachers. For paying your prostitutes as much or more than you pay your over-priced union jobs like subte conductors.
Sexual tourism is actually a free market situation between the US and here. If the US allowed prostitution outside of the few places that it's legal now, people wouldn't be coming down here, most likely, to get "out of sex prison." They'd spend their money up there and the price would be a lot lower because the product wouldn't be so scarce and they wouldn't have to travel so far to get it.
If Latin America would wake up and quit blaming others for where they are right now (I'm not saying blame doesn't belong - but it belongs on both sides, and too many Latin Americans are WALLOWING in blaming others for their current condition and just not doing anything about it but letting their "leaders" bleed them dry) they would see that like what the poor women of their country are doing, they could do something to offer the wealthy countries of the world something in exchange for money as well, aside from borrowing money, defaulting on the loans, and then blaming those the money was borrowed from for actually wanting to get repaid.
They could actually earn money in return for products and services, as opposed to just profiting off of their own cheap labor. Labor that is as cheap for their rich as it is for Americans (hmmm. Interesting concept, eh? Is it really those evil capitalists outside of the country who wants the pople of this and other LA countries poor?). Labor that picks their fruits and veggies and grows and slaughters their meat so they can sell commodities and keep all the money for themselves (the rich that is) - well, except what the government takes and doesn't give to the people (in many cases those who worked so hard for it) in terms of services, paved roads, enough police, etc.
Talk about hypocrisy!
I'm down here because Buenos Aires has some well-trained technical professions, like programmers. I am paying good money, but it's still so much cheaper than the US. But it's difficult to do business here! It was all I could do, at my best of times here, to keep five guys going! I could not have handled another guy because of how business is done here.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a large international conglomerate.
If Argentina would open up its trade to the free market, before you know it, it could beat the shit out of India as far as providing consulting services. Our cultures are so much closer and Argentinos have no problem grasping how to do a job when they are trained and motivated. I have worked with Indians and I have worked Argentinos. I prefer Argentinos 1000 times to Indians.
I mean, do you think that Americans go to India and not here because we are hell bent on making sure you never rise, but we sure would like to see the Indians do so?
Imagine how much better it would be if Argentina got ahead by providing quality services at a good price instead of something like, say, picking up a false claim to a group of islands that has oil riches and using that oil money to thumb your nose at the world like Chavez does! That will never happen for the Kirchners, by the way. And I'm sure that's another "example" of how those evil capitlists screwed the Latin Americans yet again.
God al-fucking-mighty it is so hard to get things done here that it just about makes things even with India as far as which place is better to work with. I care about quality and the end result more than I do price so I came here. I know many people that are reading this now will think I'm nuts, but Argentine programmers, the ones I have worked with, are as good or better than just about any programmer in the US I've worked with. I won't say anything like that about Indian programmers.
People need to understand that the government can't make everything all better for everyone and the more it tries to do the more it screws things up - and with that I'm talking about a government that actually wants to help it's people.
As the poor in the US today have forgotten (my folks being counted among the poor when they were growing up. Before and during World War II and my grandmother during World War I - as poor as anyone in Paraguay is today and I have pictures to prove it ;)) when the rich get richer, everybody gets richer too, in a relatively free system. Most of the poor in the US live lives sometimes equivalent of the middle class here in Buenos Aires. There are extremely few examples of people living in the US like the poor live in the villas here, the favelas in Brasil and in the country, and the same in Paraguay (just to name my experiences in SA)
El Queso,
Excellent post. After being involved in a small business here for nearly 4 years, I can second all you say about doing business here.
Steve
[QUOTE=Julio]El Queso,
The poverty in which 90% of Latin America lives does not arise from the Catholic Church, but from inequal economic conditions.
Is economy that establishes the standards of living for the people, not religiousness.
Free market, cheapening of basic products, underfeeding, low salaries and depreciated currency sistems only for the benefit of Big Multinational Companies, are not attributed at the least to the Catholic Church nor the Pope, for more perverted he might be, but to the inhuman social conditions imposed by capitalism.
In Eduardo Galeano's words:
"The international division of labor consists that some countries specialize in winning and others in losing. Our part of the world, known today as Latin America, was precocious: he specialized in losing from the remote days when the Europeans from the Renaissance rushed through the sea and buried their teeth in his throat.
We lost, others won. But happens that the ones who won, won because we lost."
Underdevelopment is not a stage of development, but its consequence.
Religion, El Queso, in the worst case, nowadays the only thing that tries to do is to palliate this inequality.
One last thing before the end,
All this condemning talk and scraping of clothes about fucking, sick and sadistic weirdos in Catholic Church is funny. The most read it in a web site that promotes sexual tourism, where not long ago an ad was posted about the selling of a virgin, another one looking for dwarfs for sexual intercourse or the most recent, where someone opely asks the members about the best place to buy dope.
Men, if there's hypocrisy in this world I surely know where to find it:)
And no, I'm not Catholic.
I'm atheist.[/QUOTE]You are probably not Catholic but you are a rusted-on socialist. A brief question. Given close to 100 years of socialist political countries, tell me one where the people have a good quality of life? And I mean full bellies, education, political freedom, freedom of expression and all that sort of stuff. None springs to my mind. So with the Catholic church peddling their superstitious twaddle in South America and mixing up their bullshit with the fascist socialism of the likes of Cuba, Venezuela and Equador, name one whose quality of life is improving. And given that most have had 200 years of independence, the one factor that is consistent in 200 years, is their faith in the mumbo jumbo of Catholic belief. That is the real reason for their pitiful state.
Argento
Julio,
Argentina is the land of Milk and Honey. The only reason why the country has gone from a world super power in the 40ies to its present state is because of poor political management and a total lack of social responsiability among Argentines.
Get over it or do something about it.
Fangio