Buenos Aires - 2002 Reports

Select "Add New Message" to post a message.

As I type this latest update I am sitting at my desk in my office. My flight arrived early this morning and I had to come in to the office today. I have about a million voicemails, a thousand pieces of mail to sort through and tons of stuff to do but I can’t take my mind off Buenos Aires. Remember that first girl you fell in love with when you were in high school? No matter what you did to try to forget her you couldn’t? That is exactly how I feel about Buenos Aires. I miss it already.

Gotta pause for a second. One of my amigos that I met from online is calling me…… Just got off the phone with this guy. Never met him but he visited B.A. the week before I did. We have the same taste in women. He went down last time for only 3 days but spent the entire time with his new novia. That’s the great thing about these websites. You can meet a ton of great guys. I’ve talked to this guy before and he sounds cool.

Back to my story. On Sunday after I posted my last report I went back to my room after lunch with my friend. I called up a few girls from Platynum. While I was calling these girls on my cellphone, my hotel phone rang. The girl said she was Fabiana who I saw a day earlier and was down in my hotel lobby. I didn’t really want to repeat girls but I was feeling frisky so I told her to come up. (Also, many of the girls I called didn’t answer their phones. Keep in mind that on Sundays many of them don’t work). She said she was in the lobby. I waited about 10 minutes or so and she didn’t come up. I thought maybe I needed to go in the lobby and bring her up. Well, as I was getting on the elevator, this brunette gets off. She has a great body but her face is so so. I see her immediately veering to the right of the elevators to MY room. I conclude it is not the same Fabiana as the one I saw yesterday. I don’t really know what to do. Admittedly, possibly incorrectly I duck in the elevator and go downstairs. I walked around to the corner store to get something to drink. I reason to myself that if she is still at my door when I get back I’ll see her.

When I get back to my room she isn’t there. My room phone rings and it is this girl asking where I am. I tell her that I thought she was another girl, “Fabiana” that I met yesterday. I still don’t know how she got my number. I think maybe the hotel assumed she was for me and called me room. I have been seeing so many girls I think they assumed she was coming for me. Anyway, long story short… I tell her to call me tomorrow. Meanwhile, my friend, Sakebomb, calls my room and tells me that he saw this good looking brunette in the lobby while he was checking out. (It was this girl, Fabiana). He chastises me for not seeing her. On reflection, maybe I should have. Oh well. Sakebomb called to say goodbye. We went out almost every night together. I’m sure I’ll see this guy another time in Buenos Aires or another city. Before hanging up he gave me the phone numbers of multiple girls.

Anyway, this was my last night night here. I was leaving on Monday night. My friend and I planned to go out tonight and have fun. While typing my last report at the Internet café, we met this American guy. Actually it was funny because I saw him reading the World Sex Guide web page and tapped him on the shoulder. He was actually reading one of my reports. We planned to hook up with him for dinner and go out but there was a change in plans. I feel bad for not going out with him. (T. if you’re reading this, my friend and I are sorry we couldn’t go out. I’m sure you will learn the ropes though. Hopefully the information we gave you will at least get you started).

I agree with what Jackson said. Ideally I would always like to pay after a session. However, I didn’t feel it was in my best interest to refuse to pay when the girl asked for her “regalo” (gift). Either way I think it should be important to note that I didn’t have one bad session the entire 10 day trip.

This report might not have a lot of information that you guys are interested in. Jackson, if you don’t think it’s appropriate, feel free to edit or delete it. I just wanted to share my experiences and thoughts about this trip.

The reason my friend and I didn’t hook up for dinner and a night out with our new American friend was because we both ended up spending our last night with our “girls”. The girl I met a few nights earlier, Emily, called me everyday after our overnighter. She was a very nice girl. She called me right after my mix-up with Fabiana. She was downstairs and wanted to come up and say goodbye before I left. She came up and we ended up spending that entire afternoon together. That afternoon turned into the evening and we decided to have dinner together my last night there. My friend also took his girl out to dinner again.

I found out a lot that night. It turns out that the girl I met at Black’s wasn’t her sister. It was another Daniella that my girl knew. That Daniella girl lied because she thought I wanted to have a session with Emily’s sister. This is the girl that wanted 650 pesos for a TLN (toda la noche). Anyway, this girl turns out to be a *****. One thing you guys should note that it is a small world here. Many of the girls know each other. Even if they work in different clubs. Many of them worked in different clubs. Many of them have sisters in the other clubs. Or they have friends in the other club. If you’re a nice guy than you’ll be known as a nice guy. If you’re a jerk, you’ll be known as a jerk. Just always be a gentleman and you’ll have no problems. I thought it was funny that some of the girls even compare how much you paid them, how you are in bed, the size of your penis, etc. It was pretty comical learning all of this.

That Sunday night, I guess my girl was still bothered that I was talking to her friend, Daniella, from Blacks. Another thing you guys should note is these girls are very jealous and their feelings get hurt easily. They have big hearts and despite what they do for a living, it doesn’t change that fact. While I was taking a shower, Emily calls Daniella and Daniella invites herself to dinner. Oh joy. NOT. We go to this Japanese/Chinese restaurant called Toronto. It was very good. It had all this food. Mostly buffet style but the food was very fresh. It was only like 12 pesos per person. Very nice change of pace food wise.

During dinner, the money hungry Daniella is asking Emily to ask me for all kinds of things. Emily is not like the other girls. She really doesn’t care all that much about money. She doesn’t work a whole lot and even when she does work she is kind of picky. For instance, it had been six days since she had seen anybody before me. And in fact, I saw her 4 of the previous nights before I visited with her just hang out alone all night not leaving with anyone. My Spanish is improving and I could understand a lot of what Daniella was saying. She was asking Emily to tell me that she needed a computer, etc. etc. Emily was uncomfortable about all this talk from Daniella. I really embarrassed Daniella when I said in Spanish out loud to the both of them. “Maybe your rich friend, Daniella, should buy you a new computer”. After that, Daniella only spoke to Emily in Portugese, so I couldn’t really understand much of the conversation.

Daniella was working that night. So after dinner, we dropped her off at Blacks. Before the taxi got to Black’s, Daniella whispers something into Emily’s ear. I guess Daniella asks Emily to ask me for a tip of 100 pesos for her. Emily hesitates but asks me. I’m puzzled. I whisper back, “you’re friend wants me to pay her 100 pesos for the privilege of her inviting herself to dinner”? I think not. That should tell you everything you need to know about this Daniella girl. She is a blonde girl from Brazil. Her body isn’t the greatest. She has a pretty face but there are much better girls at Black’s.

I spent my last night with Emily. She spent the night at my hotel. She was really growing on me. I have dated working girls before in the USA but this was different. These girls for the most part in Buenos Aires are not jaded. They are working to survive. The unemployment rate is over 25% there. There is nothing else for them to do there. Even though only one of the girls I saw had kids, many of the girls there had kids. Many also pay to support their parents or other family.

That next morning was very difficult. It was my last day there. I was checking out of the hotel at 6 PM. (I paid ½ day rate to check out late. This may be a good option if you’re flight is at night….which most of the flights are to Miami). At 12:30 PM, I had to tell Emily I had to get ready to leave. This was one of the hardest things I’ve had to do. She started to cry and told me that her heart ached. Who knows, she could have been lying but I seriously doubt it. I’m not naïve and I know when a girl is sincere or not. In fact, she wanted no money and got offended that I was giving her money. I explained to her that I wasn’t paying her for spending the night with me. I was giving her money as a friend and I knew she needed it. I gave her 600 pesos. Sure, it is only $200 US but that isn’t chump change for these girls for one night.

I had lunch with my friend that day and we both were sad this was our last day. He had to check out of his hotel at 3 PM. He came down to my room and there wasn’t much to do. It was really raining hard out. We got lucky because this was the first day it rained our entire trip. I told him I needed one last visit. I got out my list of phone numbers that Sakebomb gave me and I called Veronica. She was the first girl that we saw walking out with his friend the first day we checked in. She was a cute little brunette. A tall Argentinean with a great body, pretty face and good attitude. She was 21 years old. She worked at Hook’s. (I sure didn’t see girls as hot as her when I went there). I told her I was checking out today and wanted to visit with her for 1 ½ hours. I asked her for her fee and she said how about 200 pesos. That was good for me and I didn’t even bother negotiating. She came over just out of the shower. Very pretty girl. I’m more of the blonde type but had a great GFE time with her. I’m glad I didn’t pack my condoms yet though as she didn’t have any with her when she arrived. If you go down there, most of the girls will have them with them but several did ask me if I had any. Or those that had their own only had one or two so if you went multiple rounds or did an all nighter and you didn’t have more… it would be a buzz kill to have to go to the convenience store around the corner and get more.

My friend was nice enough to wait downstairs for me in the lobby while I visited with Veronica. I walked her out of the hotel when we were done and I checked out. My hotel bill was very reasonable. They forgot to add the cell phone bill on it but I’m sure they’ll charge my credit card for it. There were some days when I talked to some girls for up to 45 minutes at a time. I gave the cool guys at the front desk a 100 peso tip. That’s in addition to the money I gave them each night as they checked the girls in. I’ll say one thing for the Etoile… they have the best reception desk. They were always cool when girls came over.

In closing, this was probably one of the best vacations I’ve ever had. I not only love the women of Buenos Aires but I love the people in general, the food, the atmosphere and the general environment. I think L.A. Larry summed it up best in a prior post, “Be prepared for a major depression when you leave B.A. “ I’ve only been away from B.A. for less than a day and I feel sadness for leaving a country that I fell madly in love with.

Final thoughts:

Starfe, email me at cancunsaint@yahoo.com I’ll mail you that copy of the Clarin I got for you. Also, Jackson is correct about the MTV. I just kept it on. The downside is that the MTV down there they just repeat like 10 songs over and over. I felt like smashing the TV after a while. The remote controls also sucked in the room. There was no up/down channel. To be honest though I didn’t watch a whole lot of TV down there.

Jackson, thanks for providing such a wonderful public, free, forum for gentlemen to share valuable information with one another. It has been a pleasure and a privilege to be a part of this site.

L.A. Larry, thanks for your good information on B.A. Hopefully we can hook up sometime in Buenos Aires. It sounds like there is a good possibility that we could both pack and up leave our lives here in the USA for Buenos Aires.

Make sure you bring plenty of cash with you. The last day we were there my friend and I tried a few ATM’s and they said they were out of pesos. We finally found some pesos at the Citibank branch located near the Alvear Hotel. It was our last day there and it would have been a disaster if we couldn’t pull any more money out of our accounts.

If you’re there for a while, check out the Colmegna Spa.

http://www.mujermilenio.com.ar/Colmegnaspa.htm

It was a fun afternoon. Not sure if FS is available but who cares. There are plenty of other chics in town for that. Great massages at good rates. I’m sure the chica’s there will ask you if you want a “massaje especial”. The hottest one there was a blonde named Vivianna. She was smoking hot. A solid 10 for sure. I didn’t get a massage from her but I’m sure she is highly skilled and I would have gladly paid a few hundred pesos to have a special massage from her. The go to guy there’s name is Senso. I guess he has worked there for like 17 years or so. He will get whatever you want. His English is not good but I’m sure he can help you with whatever you need. It’s kind of weird because when you enter you see a police officer with a bullet proof vest on sitting at the entrance. When I asked the lady giving me a manicure why he is out there she explains that all the members of the governmental agencies are members of this club. (I could have sworn I saw a guy that looked like President Duhalde sitting in a room just sipping on a drink in a suit. Anyway, it’s an interesting place to relax and unwind if you want something different.

The average person down there makes very little. Many of the girls acknowledged that they make more in one night sometimes than the average worker makes in one month. I asked a bunch of the people down there what various people make. A hostess that speaks some English at a nice restaurant might make about 500 – 600 pesos a month. I firmly believe this is one of the worst economic crises in some time. It’s going to take time for the economy to recover. Possibly several years. The problem is that the people have ZERO confidence in the system and that makes matters worse. I think Buenos Aires is gonna become a popular destination because it has become cheaper for many people. My last few days I was running into people from the States, Chile, Asia and various other parts of the world. Be generous if you can. I’m not saying to waste money but pay what you think is fair.

Also, keep in mind that some of the taxi drivers don’t know where the popular clubs are. A few didn’t even know where Black’s or Playwoman were. The addresses are below of the ones I went to:

Black’s: Ayacucho 1981 – Recoleta

Playwoman: Azcuenaga 1968

Affaire: Guido 1965 – Recoleta

Cutty Sark: Reconquista 873

Solid Gold is next door to Playwoman.

Also, I never went there but one of the guys I was with down there said he liked Cocodillo a lot. I’m sure I left out a bunch of stuff but I’ll post as I remember stuff. If you get a chance, head down to Buenos Aires and experience the splendor of it all.




The Saint

Viking,

I didn't really check out the regular club scene. Mostly because I wasn't down there that long and didn't want to waste any valuable time. There is a night club just up the street from Playwoman that we would pass every night. Not sure of the quality of girls.

Do note that nothing really happens till late. Most people don't even eat dinner there till like 10 PM or 11 PM. I do know that many of the working girls from the club go dancing on their nights off. A few of them mentioned they go dancing on Saturday or Sunday when they are not working. I didn't think to ask them the name of the places.

It's very easy to meet people there though. Just by being friendly I'm sure you'll have no problems. Speaking some Spanish is a big help. I really wish I was fluent and plan on taking Spanish lessons before I go back in December.

I did do some shopping. My friend and I went to the Galleria de Pacifica shopping mall. It's a 3 floor modern mall that has plenty of stores. Most of the stores are for women though just like here in the USA. They did have several men's clothing stores. The clothes were much cheaper than here in the States. I stopped by the Mont Blanc store and was disappointed that the prices on higher end luxury items were about the same as the USA. I bought a wallet and it costs the same here. The lady told me that most of the higher end luxury clothing stores charged about the same prices as the USA.

Cigar prices seemed reasonable at the corner store. However, my friend got a very small Cuban cigar at Black's and I remember it being fairly expensive. Buy your cigars and bring them to the clubs.

Not sure where you're staying but the Etoile's prices on laundry were very reasonable. If you have the room, pack as much clothes as you can. I only had to do laundry once but had a few things drycleaned. Drycleaning at the Etoile was fairly expensive. One shirt was about 21 pesos or $7 US. I can't remember how much for pants but a little more. It can add up.

Have fun!

Saint--

You are a class act! Sounds like you had a great time. I'm happy for you, man...You did the town the exact way it should be done.

Be prepared now for MONTHS of post-argentina depression. Part of it is the great looking girls of Argentina that I miss.

But the other part is just the city and the people.

I really felt welcome in BA....I normally don't talk to people in Los Angeles but I found myself talking to everyone in Argentina. They are a great nation of people. (Not saps, but passionate, ironic, interesting and warm people).

And I agree with you about the staff at the Etoile--very cool guys. I'm glad you took care of them. So many Americans go down there and act like pikers.

I'm going to probably spend the month of december in Argentina --going to 2 weeks BA and 2 weeks Mar Del Plata....Hopefully we can connect at some point.

LA Larry

Thanks Larry. I appreciate those kind words.

You were 100% correct about the post Argentina depression once leaving. I've only been gone one full day and I can't seem to concentrate on much. I find myself looking out of my office window wishing I was back in Buenos Aires.

I know it sounds crazy but I'm seriously thinking about just selling my house, car and major personal belongings and just buying an apartment down there. I would be leaving a great job and a good life here in the USA. As Larry mentioned, it's simply not just the girls. It's the whole atmosphere down there. I can see myself just moving down there taking Spanish lessons a few months and becoming fluent.

Does anyone know the property rights down there? Can Americans own property there? The most difficult thing would be finding a job in a city where there is 25%+ unemployment. Oh well, it's probably just a pipe dream but I still can picture myself a resident there.

Larry, I definitely would like to hook up with you if you're there the entire month of December. I plan on going down there from December 19th to the second week in January. I am almost ready to book a Suite at the Design Suites which looks nice. I'm told it's only 5 blocks from the Recoleta area.

Anyway, enough rambling about how I miss the city. Some things I forgot to mention. We did go to Cafe Orleans one day. The taxi driver did not know where it was but I gave him the intersection provided in an earlier post. It was mid to late afternoon and there were only like 3 girls in there. The place looks like a regular bar but it wasn't. The guy at the bar kind of looked at us and didn't even ask if we wanted a menu. We wanted to look like lost American's that just came in for food so we ordered some food. The 3 girls were pretty bad. It was funny because they kept walking by our table almost as if the more they walked by... the better their chances were that we would book a session with them.

With so many choices in B.A. I don't think I would even stop in Cafe Orleans again. Who knows though. I'm sure the place has it's good days. I could have hit it on a bad day.

As far as that Colmegna Spa place I mentioned. I forgot to mention that apparently it is no secrets that they offer "special massages" there. One of the girls from Black's my friend talked to used to work there. They really do offer quality massages there. Like I mentioned, I got the best non-sexual massage of my life there.

Reflecting back I did think that taxi driver was going to rob me. I keep trying to tell myself that he was only telling me a story but I played dumb and kept asking him what he was staying. I think he was saying in Spanish, "I am robbing you". He fashioned his fingers into a gun over and over. It was only after he saw I was about ready to jump out the door that he stopped. Keep in mind it was about 3 AM and we were not in a heavily populated area. The streets around Hook are a little rough. It is NOT Recoleta..that's for sure. To make matters worse, I was dressed very well and alone.

My suggestion is that if you're alone. Right away start talking to the taxi driver. Ask him how long he was been driving his taxi. Then tell him that in the United States you are a police officer. I don't think they would mess around with you if you said that. I could be wrong though. I guess in any major city there is going to be crime. Like Boris mentioned in the old forum, there IS crime in Buenos Aires just like any other city.

My top picks in Playwoman:

Lisa, a 25 year old blonde bombshell from Brazil. Natural breasts, pretty face, great body. I'm told she had some plastic surgery on her body but I sure couldn't tell. It could be a YMMV thing with her though. I had a great time, my friend had a great time, the other guy down there I knew had a great time. One dude that posted said he didn't. I found her to be very nice. Even that one night when my friend got her out for the night, she wanted to walk me around the corner to Affaire just to make sure I got there ok. I did an overnighter with her.


Paola, a 25(?) year old Argentina chick. Her face isn't gorgeous. Maybe 7.5, definitely a solid 7 in the face. Good body with a wonderful set of man made breasts. VERY soft. Great session. This girl loves to have sex. She talks dirty the whole time in Spanish. It was funny become she was saying the same stuff to one of my friends. "déme su leche"! (or give me your milk). I think she said her sister works at one of the clubs. This girl is also a certified lesbian. Her girlfriend works at Sedoma. She is a blonde named Rachel. Both are jealous. Her girlfriend called while she was in my room. I ended up talking to her on the phone and she was pissed at Paola. I think Paola was trying to make her jealous.

Solange, a girl in her upper 20's probably. I didn't have a session with her but I wanted to. She had a great set of natural breasts on her. Her face was pretty but might have been a little hard. She looked like she could f*ck. Oh well...next time.

There were other girls there but those seemed to be the best.

More later. Phone call from one of the girls from B.A. believe it or not....

Saint: Thanks for posting such great reports. It does sound like I've been missing out by mostly using Platynum girls and only heading to the bars on weekends when it seems the level of activity is much lower.

I'm headed back down to BA from June 1 thru June 8 on business again and will try to focus on the bars like you did (in spite of work). This time, however, I'll stay at the Alvear Palace instead of the Hilton (forget the frequent guest points) and will report back on it's girl-friendliness as I hope to push their limits by bringing in a different girl every night :)

On another note, I'm sorry to ask an off-topic question but maybe you guys can help: Did you run into any true sports bars while you were down there? It just so happens that during my trip Argentina will be playing two world cup soccer matches (including one against arch-rival England) and I'd love to go to a local sports bar and enjoy the atmosphere.

[blue]Hulk,

These is a real sports bar in Recoleta. I think it's called the All Sports Cafe. It's approximately three doors down from Newport. I watched the NBA playoffs while I was down there. If they didn't have the game I wanted already on, they quickly accommidated me.

There's also a Hooters in Village Recoleta, although I'm hesitant to call Hooters a sports bar because while they have sports tuned in on their monitors, they have a corporate policy against actually turning on the sound. Wierd but true.

Jackson[/blue]

I just got back. I just wanted to type my last thoughts.

Saint, you're right that a lot of the girls know each other. If you get a bad rap, I can see that it would follow you. I know that Emily, Lisa and Claudia at Playwoman all live together.

My top three picks are as follows:

Claudia from Playwoman -- She's a 24 yr old blonde. Most girls look older in the light than in the dark club. Claudia surprisingly looks younger. What can I say, she was great. She didn't rush at all. We spent about an hour in the club making out before we left. She actually wanted to stick around and see the strip show before we left. After we got to my room, we talked for about another half an hour before things got going. After we talked for about an hour and an half more. Unfortunately that was my last night there. I was leaving to hotel to fly home early that morning. She wanted to stay with me until I had to get a taxi, but I asked her to leave a half an hour before so that I could shower and pack. She was definitely not a rushed job. I wish I had tried her earlier. I saw her in Playwoman ever night I was there but always got someone else. We negoitiated 200 pesos, but I just gave her a 100 dollars since she was so good. She was very appreciative of that.

Fabiana from Affaire -- She's a 28 yr old redhead. She was great as well. We spent a couple of hours making out and dancing in the club before we left. She ended up staying with me in the room for 4 hours. All for 150 pesos. I have no complaints. I would have seen her again, but she left to go to Monterrey. I don't know if she was coming back.

Marisol from Playwoman -- She says she's 26, but I sneaked a peek at here docs when she was signing in at the hotel. She's really 30. She's blonde. The only reason I made her third was that she only stayed for a couple of hours. But during those 2 hours, it was like she was reading my mine. Before I got to ask her to do anything, she did it. I gave here 150 pesos.

I did notice something. The 3 girls above all seriously made out with me in the club. Lots of french kissing and petting etc. They initiated all this. All three actually grab my hands and put them on their breasts. They ended up being great. The girls that weren't good or just OK didn't do any of this. Some didn't kiss at all and the others just did little closed mouth pecks. I'm going to use this as a gauge to filter out the bad ones in the future.

I'd give Lisa from Playwoman an honorable mention. She was great for the 20 minutes before she started to rush me.

Sorry I'm rambling, but I'm so tired.

[blue]Hi,

In my opinion, if they're not pressing close to your body, grabbing your dick, inviting you to discreetly feel them up, French kissing you and otherwise engaging in stage one foreplay in the club, then my practice is to drop them and move on. I figure that if I can't at least get their motor started in the club, then I'm not going to have the experience I'm looking for later.

This is very similar to the "pay in advance" issue: As I look back on the very few worthless experiences I've had in the past, they always started out rather tepid. It's not to say that a slow starter can't turn into a tigress, or that an initially aggressive chica can't turn cold (although I've never had that happen with Latin women), but every less-than-satisfactory experience I've had always started out with the chica acting rather reserved.

Just my 2 cents.

Jackson[/blue]

Justgotback,

I'm glad you had fun. Sorry we didn't get to hook up. I did want to correct one thing that I think may or may not be right. I think that Emily doesn't live with Lisa. Who knows I could be wrong.

I think I also saw Claudia although I could have sworn her name was Clara. (I at least know it began with a C). Ha, ha. It was really late at night the night I went to Playwoman. I was leaving the club when I saw her get out of a taxi and started talking to her. I'm not sure if she got bought out the whole night and was coming back on her own to make more money. I gave the guy on the front door who knew me fairly well some money and he didn't care.

You're right. She was a nice girl that provided a good session. I was dead tired when I saw her. It was about 4 am when I left that night. Who knows, it may not be the same girl but I think it was.

I would also agree that the girls that went crazy in the clubs making out provided good sessions. Marisol and Lisa both started french kissing me in the club from the get go. I'm sure Paola would have too. As far as age goes, as long as they are 19 or older I really didn't care how old they were as long as they looked good and took care of their bodies. If Marisol is 30 then she should feel even better about herself. She takes good care of herself. Has tons of energy too.

Keep in mind these girls mind f*** with each other. Emily called me two or three times since I got back. I guess Lisa told her that I had a session with her on Monday night. Impossible! Emily knew that I left on Monday night. I only point this out because sometimes no matter what you do....the girls will lie. Not quite sure why she lied. I do know that these girls have a mind of their own sometimes....

Saint--

I looked at apartments in recoleta (part of my deluision is to disappear from my existence here and become "reborn" in Buenos Aires).

Small 1 Bedrooms with Doormen in modest, safe sections of recoleta (20 block radius of cemetary) were going for $17,500-$30,000 US Dollars. These were decent places--nothing spectacular. Absolutely perfect for a bachelor pad. (But a little small for my tastes--since I've lived in large house for 20 years).

A real estate agent also showed me an apartment in a giant tower (at least 40 stories high) in the Palermo section which once had 1 million dollar apartments--the price for these places now was $175K.

I would say that given the current conditions--you could get a very nice, (VERY LARGE) apartment with a terrace withing two blocks of the Alavar Hotel in Recoleta for under 50K (maybe even less).

The Agent told me that people are Dollar starved and have seen their life savings disappear.

I hate the idea of swooping in like a robber baron, but I still want to own a place down there too.

By the way--places in the resort town of Mar Del Plata are even cheaper!

L.A. Larry,

Thanks for that informative post. Wow, you really were serious about wanting to move down there.

$17 K to $30 K is not a lot but I bet better deals can be found as time goes on. $30 K US is a lot of money right now in Argentina.

Larry, I haven't been working as long as you have been so you're in a much better position to do this. This is a unique opportunity for many people right now. Buenos Aires was formally an expensive destination. It will most likely take years to get back on the path of prosperity both economically and politically for Argentina.

Although the distance is very far from the U.S., I'm glad in a way. It will keep the people that go to a destination solely for sex to a minimum. You might go to B.A. for the girls but you will leave having fallen in love with the people, the culture and the way of life there.

I apologize in advance to all those reading the boards if you are not interested in this topic. Larry and I might be on the extreme edge of loving B.A. Jackson, maybe you can tell us if it is appropriate to talk about subjects like this in this forum? Or should we be talking about this in another forum?

And for that that are tired of reading about the above topic....I'll give you a dose of some information that you might find more appealing.

Black's was the other place I really liked. It is ironic because I only ended up having a session with one or two of the girls here. Black's has many more girls than any of the other clubs. The place doesn't really open till like 11 PM and midnight often produced the best girls. One night when we went in around 12 AM or so there were tons of hot girls. Take note though. Around 2 AM we still had not selected the girls we were gonna be with. Most of the superstars had left with other guys at this point. I suggest taking a good 45 minutes to an hour and scope out the girl you like. Then invite her to sit down with you and have some drinks. (Keep in mind drinks here are expensive for the girls at 40 pesos each).

Another thing to keep in mind is that some girl mentioned it would be more cost effective if you're gonna drink with the girls for a while is to just order a bottle of champagne. I guess a bottle of Champagne is around 160 pesos and contains enough for much more than 4 drinks. Most of the girls ordered champagne. The flute (glass) they got it in was very small. Some girls finished it in a few sips. A few girls told me they ordered champagne because it doesn't have that many calories and a lot of the girls there watch their weight.

Girls in Buenos Aires seem to be very weight conscious. There are less opportunities for fat girls in B.A. I was told. Not just in the escort scene but in any job. One girl said to me, "who wants to hire a fat girl"??? I didn't really see any fat girls. Maybe an American tourist or two....LOL.

There are truly some hot girls at Black's. Lisa from Playwoman's sister, Giovanna, works here. She is very young at maybe 19 years old. A blonde with bigger natural breasts than Lisa and a rail thin body. My friend saw Giovanna and said he had a good time but she was less experienced in bed than Lisa. My other friend saw a few girls from this club. One of the girls was from B.A. She looked like Jennifer Lopez. I think he had somewhat of a rushed session and even paid a premium of 400 pesos or so plus the exit fee.

There is a gorgeous Uraguayan girl there too. A brunette that my friend saw. She had a gorgeous face and a good body. I'm not sure of her name. I think my friend plans to do a summary post of all his adventures where he will provide names.

Keep in mind the girls here have a different attitude. Some will constantly dance around you and make eye contact and smile and blow kisses, etc. Others will not even make eye contact, smile or acknowledge you until you let them know you are interested....then they warm up like hot butter on a warm day. It's very interesting.

One night, my friend chose a very pretty girl from Paraguay. She had a model quality face but her body was a little bigger. She was very shy. He invites her over where she explains to me in Spanish (she spoke no English) that she has only been working in this business for 5 days. She had a child back home and was only working to support her child. She essentially said she hated this and working here. Well, that was enough of a buzz kill for my friend to want to pick someone else. He felt bad and couldn't see a girl that didn't want to be doing this. He tried to explain to her that he couldn't see her. He tried giving her a generous tip but she got all offended. She was angry. I tried to calm her down and told her that I was interested in her. What can I say? I felt bad for her. Her face was very pretty but her body was not my type. I ask her what her fee is for 2 hours. She informs me that she doesn't do 2 hour visits. I then proceed to ask her how much for an all nighter. She then says it depends on the guy. I ask how much for a guy like me. She just smiles and doesn't answer. I've been hobbying enough to know that when a girl doesn't give you a price you move on.

The girl asks for more champagne. I think at this point she already had 2 drinks with my friend. My friend gets up and goes to the bathroom. I am not happy that she won't give me a price so I tell her not to order any more drinks till I get back. I go down the the restroom and she is gone when we get back. I tried being overly nice with this girl but when you ask for a price and they don't answer it is time to probably move on. My friend got in this position where a girl didn't give him a price quote. What they do is they know once you get back to your room you're all horny. Sure they will leave if you ask them to but you're all horny and think with your little head.

It was this kind of attitude that I really didn't like about Black's. But they have everything you would need there. I'm more into blondes and they had an overwelmingly higher proportion of brunettes there. Several of the girls are very pretty but are older. I have a feeling if you don't mind older girls you could get a good rate. The door girl at Black's is smoking hot but unfortunately not on the program. She is by far the hottest girl there. A young blonde hottie with a killer face and body.

When I go back in December I'll play things a little differently. Of course I'll have more time so that will help. I think I'll try Cocodillo which my friend says was very good. Jackson or others...have you been to Cocodillo? If so, how was it?

Anyway, this is longer than I thought it would be. Good luck guys.

[blue]Saint, I've been following your conversation word-for-word. I also looked at apartments for sale while I was down there. It's become part of my master plan to live several months each year in another country, and Buenos Aires has been at the top of my list for several years. I suspect that I'll probably rent an apartment first, the rental costs have also dropped in dollars, and that way I can decide if I really want to make it permanent. Besides, while I think there's little chance that the peso could gain strength, there's every reason to suspect that it could drop further.

I've also been wondering if three or four of us should buy a place jointly? If we purchased a two bedroom place, it would minimize scheduling conflicts. Personally, I'd want to try to get a place within walking distance of Recoleta.

Jackson[/blue]

Saint or Larry,

What level of lighting do they have in the clubs like Blacks and Playwoman?

I don't see well at all in low levels of light and cannot to tell how attractive a woman is in many bars in America.

Jackson,

I'm glad that you also are very interested in something like this. I think this forum has come a long way. I like the new format of usernames and I think it will cut down on spam and other non-related topics.

Another guy down there was interested in the exact thing you mentioned Jackson. He asked if I might be interested in going in with him and another guy and buying an apartment. On first glance it sounds like a novel idea. I definitely would want it to be in the Recoleta area. It's such a nice area and perfect for the chicas.

I agree with your assessment Jackson. I think the peso will continue to weaken. If you check out the exchange rate it continues to drop day by day. The rate today was 3.37 which is very good for us but bad for Argentina. While I was there I got a Clarin newspaper. It said something about the government making sure they were going to prop the peso so it wouldn't fall below 3.20 (So much for that idea). The government can't do anything because they have very little money to do that. IMHO, the best thing to do is just let the market dictate the value of their peso. That is part of the problem. The government had their peso at an artificially inflated value. Now with this whole mess the people do not and will not trust the government.

I do think if a few of us went in together we could do quite well. We could split up the year and split weeks. I even think we could rent it out the weeks we are not down there. I don't know how feasible this is since none of us really know eachother that well. I also do not know about the property rights of non-Argentinian citizens at this time.

DCCRAIN,

As far as your question about lighting. It pretty much sucks at both places but is a little better at Blacks. Take it from me... some of the girls look a LOT different in the full lighting of your hotel room. I have 20/20 vision and had problems with this aspect of the clubs.

My advice which you can take with a grain of salt. At Blacks, snag one of the couches closer to the bar area. The lighting seemed to be a little better around those couch areas. I didn't really hang out near the dance floor which also had a few couches and bar stools with tables.

At Playwoman you are pretty much out of luck as far as lighting goes. I mean there is enough lighting to tell who is hot and who is not. Also, there are dance shows in between time slots where there is some lighting and that was my best time to check out some of the girls. I was amazed and surprised at how much the girls payed attention to the girls dancing. (Some of the girls come in only to do the main floor show dances). The normal working girls would all watch in awe, and clap after the performance.

In my humble opinion, the best seats were when you walked in the door go straight back to the bar then take a left. The red couches at the right hand side of the stage. Seemed to have the best lighting. All the couches in the back rooms were really dark.

We went to a few other clubs. Affaire was VERY dark. There was just a little light from the dance shows. I didn't really like this place. Plus, the music is super loud here which you may/may not like. Hook was also dark and the quality of girls was not as good in my opinion. We also went to the two other clubs right next to Hook's. I forget the names right now but Larry mentioned them in another post I think.

Long story short, the lighting is not the best. I suggest bringing your eyeglasses or getting Lasik surgery before going.....LOL. Good luck.

I would do anything to join you Jackson but unfortunately work won't allow another trip to B.A. for a while.

One thing I did want to mention and hopefully everyone will agree is for all you reading this NOT to mention to the girls that you read about them on the internet. It freaks them out when you do this. Also, the last few days some of the girls wouldn't let me take pictures of them (even PG rated ones) because of their fear of them ending up on the internet. I'm sure some girls might not care but the vast majority of them probably do care. And if you see their picture on the internet... do NOT mention you saw it on the internet. Just say that one of your friends that was in BA saw her and said how sweet she was and that's why you're asking about her.

You have to always use common sense and good judgement. You even have to probably use good judgement in some of the things you say to the girls sometimes. For example, on our 2nd to last night there, one of the hotties in Playwoman was talking to some American looking dude. It was obvious he wanted to leave with her. He bought her a few drinks and said something to her. When he went to the bathroom she got up and left. I immediately went over to her and asked if she was available or with that guy. She told me she was definitely available. That night she goes on to say what a perverted freak that guy was to my friend. (He couldn't understand all of it because he doesn't Speak Spanish). Don't assume just because you have money the girls will automatically go home with you. As Larry mentioned in an earlier post, if you are a slob that has bad hygiene and are rude the girls might not leave with you. As he correctly pointed out, some girls go home alone night after night rather than make money with someone they don't click with.

Other things I noticed. There are almost NO black people here at all. I was there about 10 days and maybe saw 4 black people the entire time. A black couple in a restaurant in Puerto Madero (who walked in then walked right back out of the restaurant as they were getting seated), a kid working at a restaurant that was from the Dominican Republic. He spoke good English. And the other one was a black girl at Black's from Brazil whose English was also very good. I only mention this because if you are black and coming to Buenos Aires and wondering what the make up of visitors and society is that should help you answer any questions.

I was told there was a good sized Asian population there. In Recoleta I only saw Asian tourists. But when I went to that Asian restaurant, Toronto, there were many Asians from the community eating there.

To be honest, I don't really think it matters what your ethnicity is. The people there are so friendly and warm and will make you fit in.

One final note..... (which some of you will disagree with and that's ok). It probably isn't a good idea to get involved romantically with a girl there. I kind of did and it has really been difficult for her since I left. The girls are all competitive I think. This girl has been told several lies by other girls which I can't really understand. Jackson or others....has this happened to you? How did you handle it? It kind of breaks my heart to read emails from some of these girls about how sad they are. Oh well...enough for today.

Saint,

I agree with your post. I won't comment on all of it because it was pretty long and I am on my way out. Though I haven't had the pleasure to go to BA you can apply almost all of what you said to many places, including TJ where I have been known to frequent. The spreading of rumors by girls seems to be frequent in the Latina community... an atmosphere of enviada... I know of girls working the main bars of CC and AB marching into opposing clubs to confront a chismosa and fights have been known to break out.

I am also considerate not to mention that I may have seen a woman's name thrown around the forum. I also usually don't mention a name unless absolutely necessary (especially if I want to keep a secret gem to myself...I know, it's selfish but I can't help it.) I will, however, provide a general description so that if I know a good time and a fiend wants some of it, he'll have to work a little. Peace, brother!

Johan--

1. how does the quality of the girls compare w/ brasilians?

Argentina has possibly some of the most beautiful woman anywhere. Whether or not they are more beautiful than Brasilian women is up to individual tastes.


2. which is safer? brasil or argentina?

Couldn't tell you about Brasil (although what I read on the Brasil forum--if true--scares me a little).

Argentina--I found to be extremely safe. Stay in Recoleta and I can virtually guarantee that nothing will ever happen to you at any hour of the day or night....Personally I marauded all over Buenos Aires--in all kinds of sections and I didn't even experience a single threat. Perhaps I was just lucky.

3. what about pricing? i understand argentina is quite expensive but i may be wrong.

Argentina is extremely cheap now because of the currency catastrophe.

I strongly suggest reading Saint's reports and all reports in the archives from March 2002 to present t get a sense of the value currently available in Buenos Aires.

A quality girls can be had for a few hours for around 150 pesos (around $50 dollars)

Great Hotels can be had for around $50 US Dollars per night or even cheaper.

Johan and others,

I wholeheartedly agree with L.A. Larry. I also have not been to Brazil and probably won't go since I have been to Buenos Aires. I understand they are like night and day but everything I could possibly want was found in B.A. Plus, most of the girls I ended up with were from Brazil anyway. Probably out of the 10+ girls I saw, half of them were from Brazil.

I prefer more of the European blend mix rather than the darker Hispanic look so it was perfect for me.

Even though I have never been to Brazil I have talked to several guys first hand that have been to Brazil and experienced crime first hand. Heck, just read the WSG forums on Brazil and you'll hear about guys that have seen crime or had it done on them. NO matter what anyone says..... the crime rate in Brazil is horrible. I even know people that are from Brazil that say to be careful everywhere you go.

Argentina WAS (read FORMALLY) was expensive. I wouldn't consider it expensive now. But then again everything is relative in life. $1 to one man is $1000 to another. That being said, I tried to provide prices in pesos for almost everything from food to massages to the chicas. Compared to the United States, the food was downright cheap. The hotel I stayed in was very affordable, the girls were affordable.

I do acknowledge that me and my friend probably payed more than most need to. Most of the time we wouldn't even counter an offer which surely would have gotten a cheaper price. In fact, the times we did do it they drastically cut their price. That's probably the one area I would have done differently. If anything, negotiate an initial price with them and tell them if you are very happy you will leave a good propina (tip) for her.

Recoleta is in the heart of much of the action. I couldn't envision not being in Recoleta. To me it was the epicenter of the chica world. VERY safe area. Larry is 100% correct. No crime here.

The other thing some of you must do is research! Research! Research before your trip. Before my trip I had so many facts, figures and emails from everywhere. This forum is valuable. Read the forums first then ask your questions. Odds are it is already answered.

Then to to newsites like cnn.com; wallstreetjournal.com etc. and type in Argentina. Another good one for B.A. is [url]http://www.buenosairesherald.com/[/url]
Let your brain soap up information before you leave so you know how it might affect you. This is an adventure....not just a vacation.

I've been back less than a week and talked several hours on the phone from girls from B.A. this past week. The economic situation isn't getting better anytime soon. Two of them I talked to said they were probably going to get up and go work at Cancun here shortly. You know what? It won't matter. This is the oldest profession. There will be girls to replace those girls. It might be sad but it is true.

Have fun. Keep a look out on the Hotel Section of B.A. on this site. I've been bumping into all kinds of new nicer places near Recoleta.

(This is my initial B.A. report, it's about 8 months old. I think it's still of some use -- but remember that all prices quoted here are before the current peso devaluation.)

Buenos Aries is expensive (as compared to Brasil), no way around it. But if you're persistent and patient, good deals may be had.

First place to go may be "Guido" street in Recolata -- right near the famous cemetary. In the last block before it dead-ends are two clubs: "Affluent" and "Password." Both charge about 10-15/drink USD for the guys, and 20-30 for the girls. There's no on-site sex facilities, so you have to take them to a hotel. One drink is mandatory if you want to take the girl out of the place -- which I justify as there exit fee.

If you don't want to take them you your hotel, there're a few in the area that cater by the hour -- about 30 40 USD for this. Ouch.

Another place, close to this (at the end of the street, or promenade, (take a left) that intersects Guido at this block) is "Newport." This is a simple music-bar (with mildly inflated drink prices) wherein independent working girls go to trick. It's very low-pressure. Just go up to a girl you like and start talking.

I was there on a Friday night and there were about 40-50 women -- many pushing a cute 30 years old, but a few young gems, too. I was quoted 150 USD for 1.5 hours and she wouldn't do oral w/o. But of course this is just one woman and by no means a house policy or average.

Now around here, too, is "Black's," a B.A. institution. Expensive. I got together w/ a girl, 300 for two hours, oral w/o, rimmed -- and it was absolutely unbelievable (and I'm a little jaded to all this). She was 22 and stunningly beautiful.

O.k. It's twenty dallars to get in, and 40 USD for a drink for the girl (which is mandatory if you want to take them out). Pretty low pressure despite these prices. I was dessed in a sweater and casual slacks and had no problem w/ the dress code (if there is one). Saw people in jeans in there. I would guess no t-shirts or exercise shoes, though.

These types of clubs (high-end venues), world-wide, tend to only really have two types of women: those who are "too" well-dressed and those who are affecting some sort of corporate-business look. The former look a little like dragon-ladies, and the latter look just too inconsistent with the scene.

Neither of these varieties are at Blacks. This girls are just well-dressed (but not overly so), crazy-fine twenty-somethings.

Next: Avendia Cordoba. There are three cafes along here, "Cafe Orleans" (intersection of Cordoba and San Martin), "Cafe Castelar Bar" (int. at Esmeralda), and "Cafe Exedra" (int. at 9 de Julio) wherein working girls casually hang out in the evenings. These places cater to this service. Drinks are reasonable, the places well-lighted (perhaps too much so), and they all go back to your hotel or another.

Don´t know prices, but would guess somewhere around 150 USD. Women looked older through the windows -- and there were never more than 7-8 at any time in any one place.

One last section: Avendida Cordoba and Tres Sargentos. Here you'll find the famous "Cutty Sark." Pretty lame, if you ask me. 10 USD drinks for the guys, 20 for the girls, take-to-hotel, about 150 USD for 1.5-2 hours. Problem is, there were only about 10-15 girls at any time, and most were 5.5 or below. Sorry to say.

Others have reported good things, though. I went there twice; same both times.

Across the street from this is "El Verde" -- similar to Newport and providing mainly orlder women. Incidentally, there're a few street walkers and the far end of Tres Sargentos. Don't know prices.

P.S. All the trick-prices quoted herein are those stated before negotiactions began. Almost everyone can be talked-down ( make sure to negotiate at Black's!).

This should cover a good portion of the scene. It's not Brasil. Sigh. But I guess it's not that bad, either.

Happy Hunting,
JWadd

Just one last thing. Pay in pesos and pay in cash, even at the hotel. Don't use your credit card. I just got my credit card and bank statements. The credit card company gave me rates from 2.79 - 3.05 pesos per dollar. In comparison, my bank gave me rates of 3.11 - 3.58. I called up my credit card company and they said that banks get better rates.

Just to add my 2 cents also, in all my international travels I've found my Citibank Mastercard gives me consistently better rates (including Argentina) than Amex Corporate, MBNA, and ATT. I can't compare it to other cards as those are the only ones I have.

This is likely due to Citibank's forex presence. Their rate for my last two trips to Argentina in early April and early May have only been about 5-10 cents off the rates at the exchage houses. But in any case, you should expect local exchange houses to nearly always give you a better rate than any credit card.

Saint,

I agree with you totally about not getting involved romantically with these chicas from BA unless you have a fairly high pain threshold and can withstand a fair amount of heartache while you're not together. You can never forget that while you're not with each other your honey is carrying on with countless other eligible men, sometimes they're being flown to foreign countries and are wined and dined for weeks at a time by your competitors. You can't blame the chicas either since this is how they make their living, doing what they do so incredibly well: entertaining and being the unbelivably charming, beautiful creatures that every one of us that's experienced them knows them to be.

I tried sustaining about a year phone and mostly email relationship with a gorgeous girl from one of the provinces that I met in Playwoman. I even brought her over to the US for an unforgettable week of bliss last year. But the biggest problem was that whenever she was with one of her many other "amigos" as she used to call them, we'd be mainly out of contact (she was on assignment, so what could I expect?) and I was jealous as hell! When I complained that it didn't/shouldn't be that way that was the beginning of the end of our relationship.

So now I'm firmly of the belief that you shouldn't get hooked on any one of these fabulous girls but that you should try to experience as many of them as possible and remember that very few of these girls ever completely leave their profession, even as it's been reported by some after they come to the US and marry an American man!! Yes, does "it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks" ring any familiar bells for anybody?

Finally, I'm in love with BA myself, the food, the people (particularly the chicas), the sights, sounds, smell of this city and the entire country, so please don't misinterpret what I'm saying: I'd love to live there half the year if it were possible for me but I think it's best NOT to throw caution to the wind with the chicas of BA. DownBA

DownBA,

I couldn't agree more with your post. For some guys this type of relationship might work but I just couldn't sustain anything long-term. I also think you should try to enjoy as many wonderful girls as possible.

I too not only want to go back to B.A. solely for the girls. It was the whole atmosphere over there. The way of life. The people, the food, the surroundings. Granted, I've gotten more into reality since getting back. But my heart and body still want to be back in B.A.

I've already started making my arrangements for my trip in December. This trip should be even better. I've enrolled in intensive Spanish classes that I plan on taking all summer and through the fall. I hope to be fluent by December which should make things more interesting. I plan on taking L.A. Larry's advice and spending a day or two in La Plata. I plan on spending 5 nights in Mar Del Plata.

I hope those of you that go over the next few months will keep us all posted on the goings on in our favorite city. Good luck everyone.

Larry,

First of all, no matter what you'll love the ocean views from your hotel. Make sure you get a suite with an ocean view. I can't tell you how many people I talk to go all the way down to Cancun only to get the "Lagoon view". It's definitely worth it to upgrade to a Club level type room even though it costs more.

Cancun is not a destination I would go to only for the girls. I have been down to Cancun several times before for a legitimate vacation. It was only the last time in December that I went to any of the chica type clubs. I've been all over the Caribbean and Cancun has some of the prettiest ocean stretches in the world. It's a touristy city but it's a short flight for me.

Yes, Cancun was VERY expensive. If you read my posts you'll notice all these guys that say I overpaid and that it is crazy to pay those kind of rates because it was Mexico. Forget your in Mexico because rates are high for high quality girls. The rates are similar to the US for high class girls. Here in the US any high class escort will charge anywhere from $250 - $300 per hour.

As far as a comparison, keep in mind at some of the clubs like Bolero or Shampoo many of the girls are from South America. You might even bump into girls from Buenos Aires or Brazil that you saw down there. Several of the girls come to Cancun for a few months to make some serious money then go back down to S. America. I have talked to about 3 girls in Buenos Aires that do this. One of them is headed down there next month and her sister is already there now. They get a hotel room or apartment and like 3-6 of them will share it due to the high cost down there. They will work like slaves for 2-4 months then go back home.

As you can imagine it's like night and day. Hard to compare the girls but I'll do my best to try. Buenos Aires is more upscale, more refined and more sophisticated. Cancun is raw, expensive and seedier (at least in the clubs). Most of the girls are Mexican in the clubs. Generally their bodies are rounder, their hips and waists are bigger unlike the marvelous Argentinian women with their small waists and tiny asses.

The girls are also more jaded in Cancun vs. Buenos Aires. It's all about money in both places but the girls in Cancun don't fool around (at least the ones in the club). The private girls I met outside the club were nicer, better in bed, more GFE (girlfriend experience), more generous with their time than the club girls. The other thing you will have less luck with is paying in Pesos in Cancun. The society there is dominated by US dollars. The girls will almost demand US Dollars or the equivolent conversion rate. In the clubs like Millenium, Blackjacks, Bolero and Shampoo I don't care what some of the guys say.... most likely you will not pay less than $200 - $300 US per hour or 1 1/2 hours for a hot girl.

The private girls are cheaper at around $125 - $150 US for around 1 1/2 - 2 hours. I saw more private girls than club girls just for the fact that it was a long drive to some of the clubs. Also, I went down for a normal vacation too. It is an expensive city. No way around it.

Larry, BA has definitely spoiled me. Nothing will be the same PBA (Post Buenos Aires) for me. I still can't get it out of my head. If I won the lottery you guys might not ever hear from me again...LOL. But as far as never going to Cancun again? I'll be there again and again. Maybe not to see the girls but it's too easy for me to go to. In fact, I might go down July 4th weekend with "Slash" from this board. He has also been down several times and we email occassionally. Read his posts... he knows Cancun well and has seen many more girls there than I have.

If you are going with your wife, you still can get some action. I read about some new place you can go to during the day. I'm sure you're wife will go shopping for a few hours and you can get a quick session in.

I can tell you that PBA I will NEVER pay a US escort again. Nothing can compare with being in the arms of a gorgeous girl in Buenos Aires, waking up next to her, then watching her go out the door only to have another hot Buenos Aires girl a few hours later... (even in a crappy bed). Ha, ha.....Life is good!

Saint--

You hit the nail right on the head about Post Buenos Aires syndrome: It "cures" of the desire to ever for a US Escort again.

You become completely spoiled by Argentina girls (and more probably) the incrediably low prices for sex.

It seems the very summit of absurdity to pay some American Escort $300 for poor or bad service--for a lousy hour!!!

In Buenos Aires---$300 dollars equals $1050 pesos....You know from experience that the same amount of money would get you a hot 22 year old 7,8 or 9 (better than anything you could ever find in America) for an entire weekend. And the sex would be phenomenal. Nothing like the clock watching escorts in LA.

American escorts are the worst. And the prettier they are--usually the more phony, the worse their attitude is....

Viva Las Mujeres de Argentina!

Larry, Saint and other BA buddies:

I agree wih Larry that I'll NEVER see an American escort again now that I've been to Buenos Aires 3 times and enjoyed the unbelievable style of getting laid with some of the most beautiful and charming women in the universe. But one nice thing that I've taken advantage of here in the states is that there are often genuine Argentinian escorts living or visiting the US that do business here in exactly the same style as they do in BA. I've seen two lovelies from BA already in the states, one right in my backyard while she was living within a 40 minute drive from my home and office and another who works in Black in BA while she was visiting and working in S. Florida. They both gave me the unparalleled service and GFE that I've grown to love in BA. One of them, Nataly, a gorgeous redhead from www.platynum.com went out for dinner with me in South Beach, we held hands, chatted comfortably in Spanish, shared a bottle of wine and great Argentinean steak dinner, made out on the street beside my car and then went to a motel and had some of the best sex of my life. Just like having an awesome girlfriend for the night! Will I do this again the next opportunity I have? You bet your ass!!

But in ending I do have to repeat that BA is so awesome in every respect that it takes my breath away and makes me want to rejoice in being a hot-blooded American man with a taste for the tastiest women on the planet!! Happy mongering,DownBA

Greetings Gentlemen,

I have visited this site several times in the past week, and want to thank you all for your insightful comments. I have some questions, but also interested in any other thoughts you can share about Argentina for a first time visitor.

Up until recently, I had been planning a return trip to Europe this summer. I wanted to head back to eastern europe; Prague, Vienna, Budapest, but have given pause after reading about Buenos Aires here.

My first questions is with regards to the weather in Argentina during July, I am aware of the seasonal opposites with America, however, I've never been there so I'm curious what you all have experienced in their winter; how cold? does it rain constantly? etc.

Your postings about the women have been quite inspiring, as I've encountered many of the same issues you've compared with American escorts, I've traveled for business to many cities, and have sampled Atlanta, Las Vegas, New Orleans, to name a few.

I've been to Amsterdam about 4 times, for business and pleasure, but last year visited Prague for the first time. I was very impressed with "the scene" in Prague, I met some very fun women and had a great time. As much as I love Prague, and want to return again, I'm very curious about Buenos Aires now.

Admittedly, the financial advantages of the US Dollar to the Peso are quite appealing, but there seems to be more to your feelings about BA than just the exchange rates. Comparing the Dollar-Euro exchange to the Dollar-Peso exchange really catches my eye.

I had planned to do a back-packing trip for three weeks in europe, because it's easy to get around by train. As I consider changing my plan to Argentina, I'd appreciate any thoughts you could share about what type of travel sites I should see in addition to Buenos Aires, given that it'll be July.

After reading some of your posts, I think I may rent an apartment in BA for the first week, then travel a bit, returning to BA during the third week.

For some reason "Lonely Planet" travel books don't share any of the pearls-of-wisdom about meeting women...so I humbly ask for your guidance.

Thanks,

keg

Keg,

I know you won't regret your decision to go to Buenos Aires over Europe. Actually you might think you are in Europe. As L.A. Larry described earlier, you might feel like you are in Europe (at least if you are in the Recoleta area). I can't say the same thing for the rest of the city. They don't call B.A. the "Switzerland of South America" for nothing.

Some Observations:

**** The exchange rate is amazing. This is truly a unique situation and these kind of occurrences do not happen often. Their financial crises is especially severe and will take a while to correct itself. The other day it went over 3.5 to the dollar. Anything over 3 in my book is awesome!

**** If you are dead set on "backpacking"....bring your backpack and go on a journey for those of us stuck in the USA. Visit some other small towns and give us new material. I'd love to hear about new areas. Maybe take the train and hit towns like La Plata, Mar del Plata, and the other many cities around B.A.


**** The girls on Platynum were the girls that showed up at your door but in my humble opinion they aren't as good looking as their pictures. Keep in mind they are posting their best pictures with make up, good lighting, some pics might not be that up to date. I met Adrianna and I totally trust her and her site but the few girls I met looked better on their website than in person. Don't get me wrong. I had a great session with all of them but many of the girls in B.A. don't wear that much make up. Sometimes it makes a big difference. I saw 3 girls from the Area-VIP site and they all looked much better on the site. (Although my friend saw Candela from Area-VIP and he said she was better in person. I dont' think she is on the site anymore though).

Some good websites for Buenos Aires girls:

www.platynum.com.ar
www.escorts-argentina.com
www.area-vip.com.ar
www.sensualbaires.com
www.mundoapart.com.ar



**** I think Larry is right. If you are in town for more than a week and go to Playwoman or Black's every single night it could get semi uncomfortable shooting down the same women every night. Break up your trip and hit La Plata a night or two. Also, Jackson mentioned there are tons of other great clubs. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I didn't really like Hooks, Ness and that other club next to it. But maybe it was an off night when I visited.

**** As far as the weather I got really lucky but when I left it rained a lot so you might want to bring a good umbrella. It doesn't get that cold down there but to them 55 degrees is "freezing".

Check out this website for a perspective on weather

http://www.weatherbase.com/weather/weather.php3?s=067578&refer=

**** If you want to rent an apartment I can refer you to a girl that speaks English fluently that can help you arrange a good deal. She is fairly tied in to the community down there and can negotiate good rates for you. Stays of 3 nights or longer is the only criteria for her to work with you on an apartment rental. You may want to check out tons of nice hotel-apartment places too. There are a ton of them.


*** Good websites for good airfair to B.A.


http://www.hotwire.com

http://www.orbitz.com

http://www.us.despegar.com


**** Bring plenty of money with you. Who knows if the banks will shut down again. Also, if you get money exchanged make sure you get Federal Notes. They have some Provencial notes there and some people have had problems with it. When you visit a Casa de Cambio (money exchange place) make sure you look at all the money they give you and it is the Federal Money with the security measures like on our new Currency. Their money is the exact same size as US Currency so the bills will fit in your wallet.

Always pay in pesos! You get the best rate that way. Most of the places did not have smaller 2, 5, 10 or 20 peso notes. Try as I did I couldn't really get any. Sometimes in a taxi I had to just give them $1 bills and when I ran out a few times I had to give them $5 bills which is expensive since I had no smaller bills. All the exchange houses give you big 100 or 50 peso notes. Many people will say they don't have change. My suggestion is to bring a ton of $1 bills with you.

**** Also bring some Pepto Bismol with you. I had a hard time finding it even in the pharmacies in the Recoleta area. They had some kind of Mylanta chewable pills but they didn't work that well. Finally one of my amigos gave me a bottle he got in the pharmacy there. I also brought like 6 brand new toothbrushes before going down based on a friend's advice. I gave one to each chica that did an all nighter. They all appreciated it. It's the little thoughtful things that make the difference sometimes. I also brought some gifts with me like small stuffed animals, chocolates, etc. with me to give to each of the girls. They all really appreciated it. Bring any other medicine that you use here that you might need. You probably can find it there but why risk it.

**** Bring plenty of condoms! You're gonna need them. All the girls have their own but some only had a few and if you go multiple rounds you can burn through a ton quickly. The girls all must really like US Condoms. Several of them stopped me a few times because they couldn't believe I had one on. They thought it broke or something but none broke.


I'm sure much of this information is repeated earlier in posts. I'm sure I also left out a ton of stuff. Hopefully it helps you. Take the time to go back to the archives and read the valuable information. Also, you new guys going please take the time to post your updated information. Don't just take from this site....give some back. Thanks!

Yes, by all means bring American condoms. I had a session with Carim/Definia/Sophia A.K.A. a whole bunch of other names (I'll post about that session later.) She used some local condoms that felt like bicycle inner tubes to me.

Also if you check the archives you'll that several chaps where charged 10 pesos for a condom when they came up empty handed.

Saint,

Thanks for all the great info. from your posts, they were great. You mentioned an English speaking women who arranges apartment rentals, can you provide her name and number (or e-mail if possible), I'm planning a trip to BA in Oct. or Nov. I always rent apartments when I go to Rio and would like to do same in BA. When is your next trip to Argentina?? I'm always looking to hook up with fellow travelers, chasin' the Chica's is always more fun with a wingman.

I'm off to Rio in July. I'll post on the other board when I return. I've always had a blast in Rio but BA sounds like a blast too.

Business will me bring down to BA in a couple of weeks for a few days. From what I can tell, most the action is around the Recoleta area. What hotel is close to that area? My time is very limited so I would appreciate knowing of any suggestions for best hot spots? If any of the normally mentioned clubs are closed due to financial situation, please advise. Post or feel free to e mail directly at [email]asiaman18@hotmail.com[/email]. Also any phone numbers of girls that will come to the hotel will also be helpful. As I said I have limited hunting time.
Thanks all

No problem Rxhammer. Email me and I'll provide you with her email. Although, please don't mention the chicas with her. I'm sure she wouldn't care but still. My next trip is in December for 15 or 16 days. (saintofba@hotmail.com)

Asiaman, as far as the Recoleta area. I really liked it a lot. Black's and Playwoman were in Recoleta but different strokes for different folks. As hard as it is for me to imagine, you might not like Playwoman or Blacks (although I think there is every type in those 2 clubs). Recoleta is the nicest part of town. As far as hotels in that immediate area, I noticed three of them.

(1) Alvear Palace ([url]http://www.alvearpalace.com/indexen.htm[/url]) Hands down the best hotel in the city. If money is no object I would book here. Even with the economic turmoil a room still goes for over $200 US/ night. It is immaculate though.

(2) LoiSuites ([url]http://www.loisuites.com.ar/ingles/Recoletai/recoletai.htm[/url]). Also right in the heart of the action. Very close to Playwoman and Restaurant Row. Looked very new and modern. Rates right now for a Junior suite are running about $120 US/ night.

(3) Etoile ( [url]http://www.etoile.com.ar[/url])
The location is hard to beat. The staff was outstanding. The rooms were big. The rates were GREAT but I'm not sure I'd stay here again due to the poor beds. You might want to consider it though. It's hard to beat those prices and the location as mentioned is outstanding. Here are the rates cut and pasted from an email from Maria Julieta in Reservations. She is great by the way.

Standard Room: $110 pesos + tax ( 21% )
Executive Suite: $132 pesos + tax ( 21% )
Diplomatic Suite: $154 pesos + tax ( 21% )

Email her at: [email]hotel@etoile.com.ar[/email] to make a reservation.

As far as the girls go, ANY of them will come to your hotel room. I'm not providing phone numbers on a public board. All the girls on any of those websites I listed below will come to your room. It doesn't get any easier than this no matter how busy you are. Good luck.

Saint,

Thank you for all the excellent information. I had planned to go to Kiev and Odessa this December, but I checked all the sites you listed, and the prices can't be beat. The girls look beautiful for the most part, something for anybody's taste. Anyway, just booked my flights through Travelocity, less than $900 roundtrip from Detroit was a deal. Hope to see you in BA.

AB

Two things--

1) what's up with my beloved city? Are their any mongers on the ground in Buenos Aires? Let's here about the economy, the state of the nation, and the hobby scene.....Please somebody post a travel report so that I can live vicariously.....

{The other day the wife was bitching at me so bad and I was ruminating on how tenuous the world situation is (nuclear standoff in India/Pak) that I was THIS CLOSE to pulling up stakes, driving out to LAX and flying down to Argentina....You know--start a whole new existence down there. Become a full time monger. I figure with my savings I can afford to stay in 3 star hotel for a at least a couple of years}

2) Saint & Others:

I know you are planning another trip in December--so I have to make a recommendation to you about something that slipped my mind (I actually wrote an entire report of this trip on the old forum but the damn thing didn't take and I didn't have the enrgy to re-write it)

When I was last in BA--people kept telling me about the city of Colonia which is in Uruguay (only 40 minutes by ferry from BA). Everyone raved that it is the most romantic, picturesque city in all of South America.....Has some beautiful cobblestone streets, quaint shops, romantic hotels--the perfect retreat for a 24 hour excursion with a girl you meet in a bar.

Anyway--lemme cut to the chase. One of the secretaries in my BA office agreed to go with me (she's in the process of getting divorced) and I figured what the hell--she was a solid 6.75 / age 34 / two kids / DD cup / about 5'5 and 140 lbs / Great ass / must have been stunning when she was in her early 20s!

We took the ferry over to Colonia, walked around, dined al fresco and fucked the night away (actually only a couple of times and then we both passed out)

But my point is---YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE EFFORT TO GET THE BAR GIRLS TO GO WITH YOU TO COLONIA.....My Agentino associates use the city as their haven.

The city has no hobby scene that I could determine (not that I looked) so you have to bring a girl there.

ALL THE BAR GIRLS KNOW ABOUT COLONIA.......And if they don't have kids at home--they'll go with you for a rate to be negotiated (I'd say for around 400 pesos for the 24 hours; maybe even less if you have decent rapport with the girl.)

I agree with Larry. I check the board everyday and really wish there were more reports on the scene in B.A. :( Every chance I get I think about the possibility of sneaking away for a long weekend down there. (The long flight brings me back to reality though).

One of my amigos is heading down to B.A. this coming weekend and should give me detailed information so I'll keep everyone posted or I'll tell him to post here.

Alanblues, you're certainly welcome. A few guys emailed me and told me they were headed to B.A. based on my posts. That's what it is all about. It was L.A. Larry's posts that had me sold on B.A. At this rate, the Buenos Aires Chamber of Commerce should give Larry and I a key to the city...Ha, ha.

Larry, I definitely will check out Colonia. Do you know if you have to have a Visa to go to Uruguay? In December, I want to really branch out and discover new territory. I'm bringing my laptop this time and should be able to post detailed reports every day or every few days or so. I also might take a 2 day trip to Brazil if I can get a Visa quickly in Buenos Aires while I'm down there. Has anyone gotten a Visa for Brazil from it's embassay in Buenos Aires? If so, please post how quickly it was obtained.

Also, I really like the idea of taking a chica to Colonia but I don't want to get stuck romancing her the whole time I'm there. My goal is to see as many girls as possible in 16 days. Hopefully I can average one girl in the day and one girl at night almost every day. This may be a record for me. Anyone that has dated a girl in Buenos Aires have any tips for being able to "have your cake and eat it too"? I met a regular girl from a restaurant while I was down there and have been emailing with her. Her English is pretty good. She invited me to stay at her apartment in December! I had to politely tell her that I already made hotel reservations.

If anyone needs the email address of a good, honest and reputable florist in B.A. email me (saintofba@hotmail.com). I found one and they were spectacular. They delivered roses the same day I ordered them. It was under 50 pesos for a dozen roses with other flowers mixed in. That's less than $15 US!

Good luck fellow amigos.

Yabba, GREAT! Good luck. I know you'll have a wonderful time. I look forward to reading your report. Not sure how long you are staying but you may want to hook with with another guy I know that will be in BA this weekend. Email me and I'll give you his email address.

Saddam69, Umm....I'm not sure if you made a typo or if you are posting in the wrong city. "Help" is a disco that is in Rio in Brazil. NOT Buenos Aires. Read what other gentlemen and myself posted about Blacks, Playwoman and other clubs on Sundays. They are certainly open but the selection is not as good. It's slower as it is one of the only days of the week some girls take off. Even many of the girls I called from Platynum.com and Areavip.com.ar did not answer their phones or return phone messages on Sundays. I am still sure you'll find something that peaks your interest though. Good luck.

Starfe, I'm sure the countdown has already begun for you. Let's do lunch again before you leave and we can talk more "shop".

Hello Guys:

Wow!!! I am new to this site but what a great resource. A friend of mine introduced me to this site and BA. The women are incredible; simply amazing.

Getting to BA for me is difficult. It is easier to book someone to come to me. Has anyone booked any girls to come to you? Which sites/Agencies/independents have you used? or recommend? Are they open where you can tell them what you are looking for?

Would appreciate any assistance!!

Desert,

You're gonna have not much success trying to do that. I read a great article today in my local paper about the problems the USA is having with Argentinians that are coming here on a tourist visa and never leaving. They have really halted all visas to the United States. It might have been easy in the past to bring a chica here from Argentina but those days are over.


Yabba, I sent my friend an email telling him where you are staying. Hopefully you two can hook up. Have fun.

Saint

Ya What I meant was Blacks. My final destination is Peru but after having read all your reviews (including the archives) is that i will transit thru BA and not Sao not Caracas, not Rio, not San Tiago just BA Will try and adjust plans so to get to spend SAT there How is SATURDAY by the way

So since time is limited and its just 1 day and 1 night The night will be at Black & Playwoman what about the day any reccomendations for any nice escorts or ill have to settle for that Spa u mentioned earlier

There are 3 sheratons in Buenos Area can any one update me on the three with guest policy and distance from Recoleta - Would appreciate

Saint:

Though I am American I currently work outside the US so getting a visa to the current country I am a resident of is no problem.

Hello one and all.

I have been lurking on this board for a while, it is vastly entertaining! I am the one who sent Desert over here; poor sod, I am trying to convince him to visit BA with me but he does all this muttering about work responsibilities keeping him at his post.

Perhaps in contrast to some hobbyists, I tend to enjoy the company of one woman for several days or a week, rather than a different one each day.

My Spanish being of the "Donde esta la casa de Pepe" variety, does anybody have a suggestion or three about any of the girls on Platynum, AreaVIP or any other site who would be a pleasant, decent-English-speaking companion for a longer period?

Thanks in advance for the feedback - if you'd feel more comfortable emailing a reply, my addy is OttoGraham@hotmail.com.

Hi guys.

First of all. I just want to say that I'm glad so many new guys are going to discover the pleasures of Buenos Aires. I do hope that everyone has as much fun as my amigos and I had. I will note that my friend told me about some guy that posted on another message board that didn't like BA compared to Brazil. Keep in mind that although I've never been to Brazil I can tell you they are like night and day when you compare them.

Brazil has more daytime action. The girls in Brazil typically are younger. Also, from what everyone tells me the girls are darker complected.

Different strokes for different folks. So when you're reading my reports or any other member's report... keep in mind their taste in women might be different. However, I can tell you that I saw a braod spectrum of girls in Buenos Aires. The only type I didn't see was black girls. I only saw one.

There is good news and bad news if you go to Buenos Aires and can't find any hot girls and don't have a good session. The good news is you will save a ton of money on sessions. The bad news is YOU'RE HOMOSEXUAL! LOL. I had to throw that in. Seriously, if you can't find any hot girls to your liking in BA, you may want to look down and make sure you have a penis.


Otto: Yes, the board can be entertaining and hopefully educational too. I saw a few girls from Platynum and Area VIP. Some of them said "English spoken". Keep in mind if it says that, most likely it means they can say, "$100 US for one hour". That's about it. I'm not exaggerating. Very few girls in Buenos Aires speak English at all. My suggestion would be to email Adrianna (the webmistress at Platynum) and ask her specifically which girls speak good English. She is very honest and will give you her honest assessment. You just want to make sure the girl is your taste looks wise.

Desert: If that is the case you are in luck! Almost all the girls I talked to had passports. If you're in a country with no visa restrictions then I'm sure you can work out an acceptable arrangement. You might have to pay a deposit or something like that. I'm not sure how it would work since they don't know you. Be careful when you set this arrangement up. Several of the girls I spoke to and are currently speak to go to countries around them with businessmen (Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, etc.). Not sure there is a going rate but if I had to guess it would be anywhere from $300 US - $500 US per day plus the plane ticket and any other expenses. That is only a guess based on what some of the girls told me they were getting. Maybe other guys can post that have done this.

Saddam69: Saturday is surprising not as good as you would think. It was noticeably slower than Friday. Thursdays and fridays are the best night in BA. That being said I'm sure you won't have any problems finding a girl.

As far as during the day, Platynum and Area VIP are great. Also, email me (saintofba@hotmail.com). I'll provide you with some phone numbers of a few girls I saw if that helps. Generally all girls will come to your hotel. Not sure about the Sheraton question. Good luck!