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[blue][b]Dialing sequence for calling from the USA to cellphones in Argentina.[/b]
011-54-911-XXXX-XXXX
011 = The code for making an international call.
54 = The country code for Argentina.
911 = The prefix for cellphones (replaces the 15 in the cell phone number.)
XXXX-XXXX = The last 8 digits of the cellphone number.[/blue]
Heading to BA today. Can't wait for the flight to leave. Can I buy a simcard for my GSM phone at any Telefonica store or is there a central one I have to go to?
JGB, to answer your question about pre-paid SIM cards:
I was previously under the impression you can buy a pre-paid SIM card from CTI at Florida and Paraguay. A few weeks ago I went there and they said they do not sell these without a phone and service. This was the exact opposite of what I had heared and seen discussed here.
OTOH, "personal" sells pre-paid SIM cards. I went to one of their branches in Florida and the clerck said he needs my passport. When I returned with the passport, I couldn't find that exact store, so I just went in another one of those kiosks with the "personal" logo. This time they asked for nothing at all, and just handed me a SIM card for 70 Pesos (30 Pesos for the card and already pre-loaded with 40 Pesos for calling).
It just goes to show how inconsistent things could be from one store to another! My suggestion is just walk along Florida and go to any "personal" kiosk you see, and eventually one of them just sells you the card without asking for anything but the cash.
I made the same discovery on arrival in January. In addition to the bad news at Movil, the lines were packed should you want to establish service.
Wandered down Florida and found Personal, bought a Personal Lite subscription. One add-on to the experience, after getting the SIM card, the guy walked me out into the Florida median to buy some Personal recarga cards from a kiosk. SIM and cards in hand I still didn't have phone service. Had to wait a couple of hours, call the guy back at his little office and they read the phone number to me over the phone. After that I had a number for the phone and I believe it was after that when I could charge the phone with pesos and become active. The phone is registered in the seller's name, not mine, so calling up the phone company I always have to explain why it's not my name. One more issue to be navigated in Spanish.
A couple of other "issues": when you recharge the phone you must navigate the instructions in Spanish, then enter the special numbers you've scratched to on the back of the Personal Lite recharge card. Sometimes the computer voice will tell you you've entered an invalid number. DON'T give up, just re-enter the number, keep re-entering until it accepts it.
: sometimes trying to get to the recharge service can take more than one call. Your call may drop, repeatedly, before you get through.
: if you run out of money on the phone, don't expect to be able to re-charge it with fresh pesos and keep on going. It can take 30 to 120 minutes to get service back. If you, wisely, charge it up while you've still got some credit on there it's a seamless process and there's no interruption.
: with Personal Lite you can charge up to $100 pesos. You buy cards in $10 or $20 pesos sizes
If you don't want to read the long story. Here's the bottom line. Go get a CTI MOVIL simcard with 50 pesos of credit for 50 pesos. No need for names, passports or anything but 50 pesos. If you want a Personal sim card, shop since the price quotes varied from 25 to 40 pesos with 0 credits for me.
By the way, here's what I said in my California Spanglish to ask for the card:
"Yo queiro compra prepagos simcard." Some of them referred to the simcard as "el chip".
At first I stopped by a local mom and pop store Palermo by my hotel. She quizzed me about the phone but then said I could get a Personal simcard for 30 pesos and buy time in increments of 10 pesos each. Being the super cheap bastard that I am, I decided to shop. I went all along Florida street and asked numerous Telefonica shops and some Personal shops about a pre paid simcard. All the Telefonica shops said you can't buy one and all but one of the Personal shops said the same. The one that didn't wanted 40 pesos for the sim card. I turned on Correintes to head back to Palermo. I stopped by the big main Telefonica super center there. Everyone hear speaks English. Many of the conversations with the customers are in English. The receptionist said they sold prepaid simcards but I would have to get my phone approved first. I went to the tech window. The tech and I had a discussion about wheter my phone would work in Argentina. He says no, I say yes. He finally relents after he pops in a simcard and it works. He says I'm good. I asked him how much a prepaid simcard is. He says 20 pesos and that I should talk to an agent. I get to the agent and he tells me they don't sell prepaid sim cards anymore. I wished everyone else knew that before putting me through the process. I head out and stop by another local mom and pop. They are selling Personal simcards for 25 pesos. I almost bite but decided to check with another place since the prices are so variable. I stop by CTI Movil. I saw a ton of their shops but didn't stop because I didn't think they were an option. Jackpot. They sent me to a tech as well to check out my phone. We had the same discussion as the last tech which got resolved when she put her simcard in and it worked. I didn't mind at all this time since she was hot. Anyways, I got a CTI Movil simcard for 50 pesos that also has 50 pesos of credit. The best deal of them all. They didn't ask for my name or passport or anything other than 50 pesos. My advice is to just go to CTI Movil.
JGB, for the good of the board, just post which CTI movil store you went to. As a bonus, also post which hot tech agent you talked to!
Three weeks ago the CTI movil in Florida and Paraguay said they do NOT sell prepaid SIM cards! Go figure!
The one I went to was on Corrientes between Florida and Ave Julio de 9th. Closer to the 9th. I think they only have one tech, she's downstairs in the hot box.
Here's another tip. Make sure your phone charger can take 220volts. I bought a used phone for the trip and just assumed that everything is 110/220volts noiw days. It worked fine for one charge but I went to recharge this morning and it was dead. I looked at the back and it's 110volts only. Anyone know where I can get a cheap charger for a Nokia?
[QUOTE=JustGotBack]If you don't want to read the long story. Here's the bottom line. Go get a CTI MOVIL simcard with 50 pesos of credit for 50 pesos. [/QUOTE]
Great report. Are the cards valid for a certain amount of time? I rather detest cell phones in the US (I carried one around for 15 years and got tired of people being able to find me!), but am thinking of getting a monger phone.
I'm also thinking of getting a Vonage account so I can make business calls when I'm away too. As I understand it, you can take the box with you and hook into any high speed line and it's like you're dialing from the states.
[QUOTE=JustGotBack]The one I went to was on Corrientes between Florida and Ave Julio de 9th. Closer to the 9th. I think they only have one tech, she's downstairs in the hot box.
Here's another tip. Make sure your phone charger can take 220volts. I bought a used phone for the trip and just assumed that everything is 110/220volts noiw days. It worked fine for one charge but I went to recharge this morning and it was dead. I looked at the back and it's 110volts only. Anyone know where I can get a cheap charger for a Nokia?[/QUOTE]
JGB,
Instead of a 220V charger for a phone, I recommend buying a universal voltage coverter kit. I got mine for about $30 few years ago and it has a converter and 5 set of plugs for just about anywhere in the world. I use it for all my protable electrical/electronic devices (shaver, toothbrush, phone, laptop) when I travel out of the country.
Sportsman
I got one at Radio Shack for $25 or so. It's worked in every country I've gone to. You should note that for the output of your items. They had two different "sizes", and one size would only recharge shavers and such, while the larger one would handle a lot more things.
I don't know. I didn't bother asking. I assume that it goes invalid at some point.
I turns out you can buy a universal nokia charger here in BA for 20-25 pesos. They have spade, USA, plug variants as well as the local diagonal plug ones. Get the US one so that you can use it back home in the US if you're an American. Sure, you can get a new Nokia charger in the US for 99 cents instead of a cheap generic here in BA for $7, but what can you do? It amazes me that the US is so cheap when it comes to electronics.
Another thing. If you aren't sure your phone is unlocked or GSM or whatever. Vonfil aka Telefonica is running special right now. A prepaid Motorola C115 phone, a case, discount time cards and 50 pesos in credit for 149 pesos, about 50 dollars.
I need to accept business calls and personal calls from ba in the usa.
[url]www.telefonicaeurocom.com[/url]
outlines two services which might be helpful:
-I have a BA telephone number which rings in miami. the cost is us$ 13. monthly. This allows my business to have
a local ba number without paying to staff it. A second line is us$5.00 per monthly.
-You could have one BA line which rings at the office and another at home for us$ monthly.
Vonage is great. This is another alternative which may make sense for some one like my self who is servicing argentines from an office location in the usa or someone who is living in ba and needs to stay in contact with an office in the usa.
Telefonica also has a number of long distance international services--calling cards and international lond distance that are worth looking at. It is not as reliable as AT&T, but it's pretty good.
bob
[QUOTE=Punter 127]Thanks for the info; I haven’t decided if I even need a cell phone, I was just trying to get a feel for the cost. I will be in BA May 3rd for a two week stay; hopefully I will see you at one of the Mansion parties.[/QUOTE]
A cell phone is an absolute necessity for that length of stay. Learn how to use the voice mail feature as well. That way other friends can get in touch with you very easily.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
On my last trip I purchased a SIM card from Telefonica for $20 pesos and they gave me $50 pesos of airtime for free. I put the SIM card in my Nokia tri-band phone from the USA and it worked great. However, it's necessary to get your cell phone unlocked if you decide to do this.
Just another option,
-HGL
I am interested in getting a cellphone that will work in most parts of the world, but just buying a sim card or such. Tri-band seems to be the answer. I wonder if it is better to buy one in Argentina when I go next week, or pick up one on Ebay or such.
Countries I am going to, or will be going to: Argentina, Brazil, Costa Rica (Doubt it will work there), Indonesia, Thailand, Peru, Colombia, etc.
Was in Bs As last week and took my Pocket PC (PPC) with Quad-band phone. Fortunately, the phone comes unlocked. I purchased a chip from CTI Movil for p$10 and later paid p$50 for additional minutes. Once I got the miniature card-printed Spanish translated to English, I was able to use the card without a hitch. Unfortunately, by the time I learned the instructions, I lost out on some sweet non pro-action. Another problem, I had initially, was that all voice instructions were in Spanish, without the English option. My recommendation would be to take Jackson up on the rental phone, if nothing more than the instructions, which are probably in English.
[b]BTW, I want to take this opportunity to thank Jackson and MD for their maps.[/b] I downloaded their various maps to my PPC and was easily able to navigate the entire city -- like a "regular". When the Taxis were in doubt, I would simply use the drill down (zoom) function to "blow-up" the actual street name and numbers from the maps. I can not begin to describe the benefit of having those maps on my phone. Thanks guys!!!
I also downloaded pictures of targeted chicas from various Websites (w/numbers) so that I would have their picture, for reference. That was interesting beyond belief. Moreover, I downloaded threads on each of the locations that I planned on visiting. This, too, was invaluable in keeping me informed on location characteristics. Just before getting inside, I would pull out my phone and quickly scan the reviews - privately.
I have a GSM phone which I use in Asia. It is not locked. I have bought SIM cards in Thailand, Vietnam, Australia, the phone works great.
Does anyone know if the same phone which works in Asia will work in Argentina (with the right SIM card of course)?
Information appreciated.
If you want to learn about GSM cell phones, SIM cards, prices, and other
facts on what works where, check out this excellent web site:
[url]www.telestial.com[/url]
Does any one have a BA source for cheap unlocked cell phones and sim
cards?
Please advise
Roger,
some info, I hope not to be boring:
GSM phones work in 3 different frequency ranges, near 900, 1800 and 1900 MHz. 900 was the original European frequency, when GSM started, and 1800 came a bit later after the first band got congested. Most countries, like all of Europe, Asia and many others, when they introduced GSM service, just used this European standard.
Unfortunately, these frequencies have already been in use for other services in the U.S., so when the States started GSM, another frequency had to be used: 1900 MHz. Argentina is also using 1900, Brazil and Chile 900/1800.
So, if you just buy a "GSM cellphone" in any country, you will get one according to the local standard. The "Tri Band" units cover it all. A cellphone working in Asia will most likely be a 900/1800 MHz phone. If it also works in the U.S. it's a "Tri Band", and will work in Argentina.
Hope that helps,
El Alemán
Thanks for the information.
My phone is a Nokia 3315 dual band 900-1800 MHz phone, which I purchased in Thailand.
According to my understanding of your message, it will work with a local SIM card in Brazil, but not in Argentina. Right?
Thanks, looks like I'll be having to rent or purchase yet another phone (my US cell phone is Sprint, which isn't even GSM).
[QUOTE=El Aleman]Roger,
some info, I hope not to be boring:
GSM phones work in 3 different frequency ranges, near 900, 1800 and 1900 MHz. 900 was the original European frequency, when GSM started, and 1800 came a bit later after the first band got congested. Most countries, like all of Europe, Asia and many others, when they introduced GSM service, just used this European standard.
Unfortunately, these frequencies have already been in use for other services in the U.S., so when the States started GSM, another frequency had to be used: 1900 MHz. Argentina is also using 1900, Brazil and Chile 900/1800.
So, if you just buy a "GSM cellphone" in any country, you will get one according to the local standard. The "Tri Band" units cover it all. A cellphone working in Asia will most likely be a 900/1800 MHz phone. If it also works in the U.S. it's a "Tri Band", and will work in Argentina.
Hope that helps,
El Alemán[/QUOTE]
Roger:
Exactly. Of course, it depends on how often you will be in Argentina. If if you will be there frequently, buy one in Argentina.
I bought me a Nokia from CTI Movil in March 2004, I think it was A$R 149,- and had 100 pesos airtime on it, so the phone itself was less than 20 U$S - worth it. The only thing is, You need a residential address in BA where they send you some papers after the purchase, but I think that might be arranged with Jackson or Capt. Dave.
This way, I have my "fuckphone" in BA and am still reachable by my office on my german (triband) phone, which works, however expensive due to intl. roaming, in Argentina.
Have fun,
El Alemán
Hey everyone,
Can anyone tell me what the first few numbers that I would need to dial for calling a cell phone in BsAs? The number I am trying to call starts out like this (011) 1559XX-XXXX. This has to be missing some numbers, but that's how it was written down.
I never had any problems calling my hotel from the US by dialing 011 (54 11) 4321-0000 Shouldn't calling a cell phone in BsAs start out similar to that?
Thanks in advance,
Y & R
Y & R
To dial a Argentine cell phone from the U.S. ( the 15 prefix is for cell phones in BsAs) dial 011-54-911- the last 8 digits of your number, you omit the 15. Hope this helps.
Jackpot,
I have bought sim cards at Personal, the one on Cordoba. You can get a line to use with prepaid phone cards (Personal lite). As far as buying phones, I have found using Ebay is the best bet for unlocked phones.
Well, after a lot of clicking and cursing and refreshing and clicking again, I have been able to redeem my frequent flyer miles, and will be arriving in Buenos Aires on the wings of desire (er..make that United Airlines!) in the morning of March 25th. I know it is a long way off, but I am a nerd, and like to do things well in advance.
Now, I have a quad-band unlocked GSM phone (NEC 515), which a friend of mine used in Poland on the 900 band. Being a quad, getting on the correct frequency should be no problem. My question is: can ANYONE get service in Argentina? In Colombia I had to ask an amiga to go with me, because they required a Colombian cedula. A lengthy form with a photo had to be filled out.
I do not believe this has been covered in this esteemed forum. Info would be much appreciated.
Tbird:
It is about the same.
When I bought my cellphone, I had to fill out some forms, and to provide them with an Argentinean residential address. This, however, was a friend's , and no problems so far.
It depends, how long you want to stay in BA. If it is only for a few days, think about maybe renting one from Jackson. buying your own (phone or SIM card) only makes sense if you will be in the country repeatedly.
have fun, and survive the next 10 months...
El Alemán
[QUOTE=Tbird]
Now, I have a quad-band unlocked GSM phone (NEC 515), which a friend of mine used in Poland on the 900 band. Being a quad, getting on the correct frequency should be no problem. My question is: can ANYONE get service in Argentina? In Colombia I had to ask an amiga to go with me, because they required a Colombian cedula. A lengthy form with a photo had to be filled out.
I do not believe this has been covered in this esteemed forum. Info would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]
I have taken my old domestic US Nextel Motorola i2000 phone, and my current T-mobile V180, they work in Argentina fine - but only for incoming calls from the US/Europe. Calling domestically is expensive on the order of US2 a minute.
Just FYI.
[url]http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_ar.shtml[/url]
I have a nokia 3022, nokia just came out with it, quad band it works everywhere. I am currently in Neuquen (the middle of nowhere). It works great.
YES, it does work! Thanks to all the good info on the site, I finally have solved my cell phone problems in BA. CTI Movil is selling sim cards, which they call chips. They can only to purchased at the Florida Y Paraguay location for 10 pesos with 10 pesos worth of time. The ground level lobby has an information line. They then have you wait. They verify that the chip works in your phone ie that it is unlocked. They sell you the chip after installation. I paid after the intallation at the cashier on level over the ground level.
The service did not start until 90 minutes after the install. I had to make a second visit because they failed to provide the free 10 pesos of time during the first visit.
Cti has nation wide service at no additional cost. i called Mendoza for the same price as ba. I also called Ruffino, a small city in southern Santa Fe Provice with no problem. My chica's Movistar phone has no service there. The guy i saw there had two phones: one for ba and a second for Ruffino.
The phone must be charged with additional time or you lose the number after 90 days. I put 50 pesos on the phone which i will lose if i don't charge the phone again for 60 days. They have a promotion where you get 80 peso of time for 50 pesos. 10 peso cards provide a cost of 1 peso per minute and 50 peso cards cost 62 centavos per minbute. This yields a per minute cost of about us$ 0.20 per minute to call anywhere in argnetina.
CTI's service is not as reliable as the non-gsm services that i have used before. cti has more dropped calls or connection failures than i am used to in ba. It still is within the range of reason. My chica uses Movistar. Cti has better service than Movistar in terms of reception and dropped calls.
WITHOUT SPEAKING SOME SPANISH I COULD NOT HAVE DONE THE CTI MOVIL SIM CARD PURCHASE AND ADJUSTMENT. NO ONE SPOKE ANY TYPE OF ENGLISH WITH ME. POSSIBLY MY SPANISH IS BETTER THAN THEIR ENGLISH. I WAS RATHER UPSET WHEN I HAD TO RETURN BECAUSE I DID NOT RECEIVE THE 10 PESOS CREDIT I WAS PROMISED AND A LITTLE ENGLISH SPEAKING CUSTOMER SERVICE WOULD HAVE MADE MY LIFE A LOT EASIER.
PHONERENTAL.COM is the best of the other rental services for low useage and no long distance. There is no rental fee. The time charges add up and they charge for in-coming calls. They speak enough english to do the job and deliver and pick-up. 10% discount for cash.
Bob
I can confirm everything Bob writes writes, and want to add a thing or 2:
- If you are not really fluent in Spanish, get somebody to help you
- The cashier in the second floor of the CTI Móvil office Florida / Paraguay is the only place in town that sells A$R 50,- and A$R 100,- airtime cards, giving A$R 80,- and 160,- credit. The smaller ones (A$R 10 and 20) are available all over, for example at the FarmaCity pharmacies. Beware: When buying airtime at the cashier, you might get asked if you want a card or direct credit to your account. TAKE THE CARD (tarjeta), the direct credit does not work on prepaid accounts! (been there, done that).
- Service orientation must be a new concept to Argentine cellphone companies, and the fact that it is us, the customers, who finally pay their salaries has been communicated only to a minority of their employees. If things get difficult, they are always tempted to solve their problem by sending you into another line.
- I am in BA usually twice a year, around March .. May and September / October. The credit I had bought during my previous stay was always still available when I came back. One time, I think, the phone said that I had no more credit left, but after adding 20 pesos, the old credit reappeared.
Have fun,
El Alemán
Thanks everyone for the information about GSM phones.
Information from this board says that I will need GSM 1900 MHz.
I have seen elsewhere that Argentina uses both 850 and 1900 MHz.
It makes a difference, whether I buy a tri-band (900. 1800, 1900) or a quad-band phone (considerably more expensive).
Anyone who knows, please let me know if 1900 MHz is sufficient for Argentina, or if I need both 850 and 1900.
(I will also be in Brazil, so I need 1800 for sure).
My tri-band GSM Nokia 3100 worked for me during my February 2005 trip to Buenos Aires. You might consider "unlocking" you phone and purchasing a "local" pre-paid SIM card to avoid the roaming charges. Please see the first web link for more information. The second web link has additional GSM information.
[url]http://www.thetravelinsider.info/roadwarriorcontent/nokiaunlocking.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.gsmworld.com/index.shtml[/url]
Hewy
One thing to keep in mind is that while you can buy a local SIM for an unlocked GSM phone, the local cell companies are not the greatest in the world. I've bought two chips in BA from Personal Light and have problems with both of them despite two trips to the main office. One has 17 pesos on it but won't make outgoing calls while the other can call any number except a Nextel number. Also, a new chip takes 24 hours to activate.
I rented one time when I came down and, while more expensive, it was much less of a PITA.
If you only need to call a few minutes a day, the US$5 daily few is high. 70 centavos per minute is about the best you are going to do with a sim chip.
I am averaging with cti movil about 70 centavos per minute[cti's rates depend on the size of the card you buy eg.
10 peso cards are 1.00 peso per minute and the large cards, that are difficult to find outside of the downtown main office, are 62.5 centavos per minute.]
Cti does work well. In my situation I need to maintain the same number and I am going to the interior and calling the interior. The cti service does not work consistantly as well as my old rental phones worked. I rented from [url]www.phonerental.com[/url] They are easy to deal with--they speak eglish and have an USA 1800 number. They will drop off and pick-up anywhere you like. Their service is loaded with extra charges. If you are doing 15 minutes per day, the billing can get crazy. US$80. + per week. Don't let their free rental programs fool you.
Surprises. If you have a problem, they will help you with a fast solution without forgetting how to speak english when you need help. The customer service at cti is horrible. I have had people at phonerental. Com speak to me in good english and the same guy will not be able to speak any english and will not be able to understand my spanish when I ask for an explanation of a secret hidden charge on my bill.
It is also a good idea if you enjoy and receive a benefit from this free website, to support the services of the people who.
Provide and maintain this site for free.
Bob
MB,
Read my post again. I was actually suggesting renting a phone rather than thinking that buying a SIM was an easy answer. A local SIM is an easy answer in most other countries (I've done it in Thailand, Mexico, Belgium, and Brazil with zero problems) but the phone companies in Argentina don't have prepaid GSM sorted out completely.
Trust me when I tell you that Jackson has done OK by me.
Easy Go
Last Saturday morning a bought a local SIM card for my unlocked GSM phone from the CTI store at the corner of Paraguay and Florida for 10 pesos with 10 peso airtime included. That store does not sell airtime card (Tarjeta de CTI) there so to top off I would have to go to a local store. An ID card / passport was needed to register the card to my name. I was told the SIM card must be topped off at least once every three months or the card will be useless from then on. But when I call for the credit remaining on the card, it mentioned the date one month from now, so I don't know if it will expire in one month or three months. Air time costs 70 centavos per minute for local calls – probably not a very good deal. The sales rep (whom BTW spoke decent English and cute) told me the card would be activated within 40 minutes to 1 hour. I got two text messages from CTI within one hour – one welcoming message and one with a password to view my account online. I thought everything was fine. Then when Stowe tried to call me and got a message saying my line was not registered. I could not make an outgoing call either. By then the CTI store is closed already and will not be opened on Sunday, so I had to wait until Monday morning to straighten it out.
First thing on Monday I went to the store, wouldn't you know it now the phone was working. However on Tuesday I left a message for Roxanna using my phone, she told me later when she tried to return my call and was told the phone line was not registered again. I have made calls and received calls later that day though. So I'm not sure what was going on. Well, at least the card only cost 10 pesos with 10 pesos airtime. I did not have to top off with anymore airtime and still have about 4 pesos of airtime when I left BsAs. I don't use the phone much and my stays are usually pretty short, this deal seems to be ok for me. If I were to use a phone more extensively, then renting a phone from Jackson would have been more economical since the airtime on his phones costs a lot less.
I hope this help and can provide an alternative for those have the kind of phone usage as me. Ana Luna told me the Movistar store across the street from that CTI store sells prepaid phone SIM card too. And it opens on Saturday afternoon and on Sunday too. A big plus if you run into problem over the weekend like I did. Does anyone know what kind of deals they provide?
Sportsman,
What you experienced is normal for CTI. I bought a CTI phone 2 years ago, and it also took over a day until the card was turned on, but finally it worked.
Regarding "fill up every 3 months", at my experience, this is not true. It won't work any more after 3 months, but if you fill it up later, it is activated again, and even your old credit is back. At least it worked like that in March, if it is still so, I will find out Friday.
And: they DO sell airtime cards in the Florida / Paraguay store, in the 2nd floor. In fact, that is the only place known to me where you get the 50 and 100 peso cards.
El Aleman
I use my CTI phone all the time to stay in touch with Germany, it is no problem - and appears to be not too expensive. I usually check my credit before and after an international call, and what goes down seems reasonable. I don't, however, know the exact rate.
As Silvina's phone also uses prepaid cards (which you have to buy yourself) it should be the same situation.
Hope that helps,
El Alemán