Buenos Aires - 2002 Reports

Drgn, I agree with what you're saying here and I have a little story that I think illustrates how if the girl likes you and thinks you're fun that the money really becomes secondary: last time I was in Miami I called an Argentinean sweetie named Analis that works in BA but was working in Miami for a few months. I arranged to pick her up and take her for a nice dinner at an Argentinean steak place in town. We stuck up a nice conversation in Spanish, had a nice dinner, glass of wine, held hands at the restaurant and then I told her I wanted to take her to a local hotel and have sex. We STILL hadn't spoken a WORD about money. Then we went to the hotel and had a GREAT TIME (by the way, she asked me if I was "shy" while driving over there, guess we were having a great time, eh? but I told her I preferred not to crack up the car with her mouth on my staff). To make a long story short, even when we had finished having great sex twice she STILL made no mention of money and I just handed her a few c-notes and she said thanks! So yes, I do agree with you Drgn that it's better when you treat things like a date and have a great time and then get down to business, then money isn't so important to the chica. Happy mongering, DownBA

All this talk about "over paying" is kind of a moot point, in my opinion. Most of the girls down there didn't seem to intentionally price gouge you. Most asked for what I thought to be a more than fair deal. The one place that I ran across girls as a group asking for too much money was Black's. Most girls there were asking for $200 US for the whole night or 600 pesos. (Granted, some of these chicas were smoking hot but that was too much in my opinion to pay).

Most of the girls at Playwoman were reasonable. I would venture to guess they would accept most reasonable offers for a short term or TLN (toda la noche "all nighter"). There is much that comes into play too. For instance, how much she has already made that day, how greedy she is, what time it is, what you look like, your age, etc. Some guys would like to think that a customer is a customer but that isn't always the case. If these chicas get along with you and you seem to 'click' with her.... I've found that many times money is a secondary factor.

Just as a guy that pays too much is not a dumb ass. A guy that doesn't want to pay a girls asking fee is not a cheap ass either. If you don't think something is fair you can always walk away.

To anybody recently in BsAs:

Suggestions on changing money, where to get the best rates without waiting in line all day?

I have heard the rate at el aeropuerto is only about 3.2 to the dollar, while the city rate is 3.6.

Anybody get any nasty surprises from using their ATM to withdraw pesos?

Otto

Otto,

Keep a close eye on the exchange rate, it appears that the peso is taking another drop. Current quote I see is 3.80-3.85.

Yes, the peso is in a free fall. Make sure you keep up to date on daily exchange rates if you are down there. It's no big deal if you're not "Playing" that much but it can add up. Here is a recent article from the New York Times this morning:


Blows Keep Coming for an Argentina Long in Crisis
By LARRY ROHTER


BUENOS AIRES, June 25 — The president says it may be impossible to reach any agreement with the International Monetary Fund, the head of the central bank is giving up and going home, and the economy minister embarked tonight on a desperate quest to pry $18 billion from foreign lenders.

For Argentina, an already disastrous economic crisis is suddenly threatening to become even more calamitous.

"Argentina needs a very rapid agreement, but it doesn't depend on us," a dejected President Eduardo Duhalde said in a television appearance here late on Monday. "I hope we don't have to wait until September, because the situation in the region is getting worse every day."

Mr. Duhalde spoke shortly after Mario Blejer, the president of the central bank and a former I.M.F. official with extensive contacts on Wall Street, said he was stepping down. His departure leaves the economy minister, Roberto Lavagna, who departed tonight for three days of meetings with the country's creditors in New York and Washington, as the undisputed chief of the government's economic team.

The resignation of Mr. Blejer, 53, an economist with a doctorate from the University of Chicago, was not a great surprise. His health problems and his desire to rejoin his family, which lives in the United States, were widely known here, and he had earlier told Mr. Duhalde that he would stay in his post only until an agreement could be reached with the fund.

But clashes with Mr. Lavagna, especially over how to end a freeze on bank deposits that has crippled Argentina's banking system since December, hastened Mr. Blejer's decision; he is to leave his post at the end of the week. Investors reacted by pushing the value of the Argentine peso down 2.5 percent today to 3.86 to the dollar; it was pegged at one to the dollar for a decade until early January.

Mr. Blejer is to be succeeded by his deputy, Aldo Pignanelli, a little-known Peronist party loyalist who played a role in recent efforts to keep several banks from collapsing.

In his letter of resignation, Mr. Blejer complained that the central bank's "independence has been weakened repeatedly in recent times" and urged the government not to "submit it to self-interested pressures."

Like the monetary fund's negotiators, who have been meeting with Argentine officials here this month, Mr. Blejer favored a plan to end the banking freeze by forcing bank depositors to accept government bonds in place of their savings. With Mr. Duhalde's approval, however, Mr. Lavagna has instead put in place an optional conversion plan, which was quickly rejected by all but a few depositors.

Though the monetary fund's position "is correct from a macroeconomic point of view, it is not legally possible" to force depositors to accept bonds, Eduardo Amadeo, a spokesman for Mr. Duhalde and a member of the Argentine negotiating team, said in an interview here today. "The court is not going to approve this. There is jurisprudence on this, and it is quite clear."

Another important figure quit the scene today when Raúl Alfonsín, who was president from 1983 to 1989, resigned his Senate seat. Mr. Alfonsín, a member of the Radical Party, had been an ally of Mr. Duhalde, a Peronist, but found himself at odds with other Radical leaders, who argued that it was a mistake for the party to be associated with what they called Mr. Duhalde's disastrous policies.

A team from the monetary fund left Buenos Aires last Friday without saying publicly that any headway had been made toward an agreement that would restore Argentina's credit line with the fund, which was suspended in December. On Monday, David de Ferranti, vice president of the World Bank for Latin America, said that any agreement between Argentina and its creditors still requires "quite a lot of time to work out."

"The fund had a mission to Argentina that left a day or so ago without progress," Mr. De Ferranti told reporters at a meeting in the Netherlands. "It's slow going. I wish it were possible to say that there was a solution that would be soon to occur. That is not obvious yet."

Argentine officials argue, on the other hand, that they have done many of the things the fund has demanded, often over strong internal opposition. They cite a pact to impose fiscal restraint on provincial governors and the revocation of bankruptcy and "economic subversion" laws that were said to discriminate against foreigners. The main impediment to a deal now, they say, is more psychological than substantive.

"The fund doesn't believe us," Mr. Amadeo said. "They don't trust us. They have no confidence in us, given the history of the Argentine political class, and that has made the negotiations long and difficult."

An even more basic problem, he said, is that "if the fund continues to believe that we are cheating them, there is no solution and we're stuck in a Catch-22." He added, " There has to be a minimum of good will and belief that we are no longer deceiving anyone."

In recent declarations, Mr. Duhalde and other officials have indicated that they see July 15 as something of a deadline for the talks. Argentina has already defaulted on most of its foreign debt, but payments of more than $1 billion still come due that day, and the government has implied that if it has no deal by then with the fund, it will have no choice but to default on those payments, too.

Some analysts here argue that the apparent hardening of Argentina's position stems from the recent market turbulence in neighboring Brazil and Uruguay, which is also showing signs of affecting Chile and Mexico. Argentine officials say the crisis is now regional, which increases their leverage in negotiations by putting pressure on lenders and foreign governments to prevent the situation from worsening.

"The group in power thinks that they can blackmail the I.M.F. and the United States government through the threat of contagion in Brazil," said Carlos Escudé, a former foreign ministry official who has written several books on Argentine foreign policy. "But they are wrong to think they can wield that club," Mr. Escudé said, because the monetary fund is "more likely to come to Brazil's rescue" and let Argentina sink.

With no accord to restart the economy, the pressure on the Argentine currency is mounting. Some currency exchange offices were charging four pesos for a dollar today, and Carlos Saúl Menem, the former president who is running for the office again, warned that rate could easily slide to seven to the dollar by the end of the year.

The government has responded by intervening in the market to support the peso, a move most economists here have criticized as a doomed and dangerous use of dwindling foreign reserves. Since January, Argentina's reserves have dropped from $13 billion to less than $9.8 billion, with the government now spending up to $50 million a day to stave off a run on the peso.

The way things are going, Argentina will soon fall below the minimum level of $9 billion in foreign reserves required under its existing agreements with the monetary fund. But government officials say that letting the peso float without intervention, as the monetary fund has advocated, would produce a politically disastrous burst of hyperinflation.

"It is important to obtain maximum stability" for the peso, Mr. Lavagna said Monday in remarks to a visiting Brazilian business group. "We have worked by using intervention to avoid an excessive movement," keeping the peso's decline fairly slow, he said.

WATCH THIS SPACE

Otto Graham is inbound to Buenos Aires as we speak.

Daily reports promised, subject to hangovers.

Debauchery a definite go.

Epicurean delights.

Feminine wiles.

Abuse of alcohol a certainty.

- Otto

I am considering two package tour trips: one exclusively to Rio, and one that does both BA and Rio. I have been to Rio, and consider it paradise. Can someone give me some idea how BA compares to Rio? If I do decide to go to BA as well, can someone vector me to the right part of town, the right clubs? Hotel in BA would be Bristol; any information about its girl-friendliness? Thanks

Roberto:

This question has come up before on this forum. I'm pasting part of the answer I had given to someone else a few days ago on the Mar Del Plata section:

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"This year alone I've made six trips down to BA on business. I've also traveled to both Rio and Sao Paulo very frequently on business for the last three years. Even though I travel on business, I still manage to hook up with girls almost every day in both countries.

I'd agree with your impression that girls in Argentina are more pro-oriented than Brazilian girls. Yes, you can find a GFE in Argentina, but it is more readily available in Brazil. And while a BBBJ (which I strongly prefer) is not standard practice in Argentina, it is readily available in Brazil.

Because I've been to both countries so much, I've also gone to regular non-pro discos, clubs, and bars. And in my experience, the friendliness and chance of scoring with non-pro girls has been much higher in Brazil."

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Let me add to this answer that I had given before, that I speak fluent Spanish but little Portuguese, so in theory I should feel more at home in Argentina, but my preference is still for Brazil. I base this preference on the fact that I find Brazilian women on average to simply enjoy lovemaking more than the average Argentine woman. The experience that I've had with most Brazilian women is that they want to screw my brains out. But on average, I've found most Argentine women to be much more business-like.

Others have mentioned the safety risks in Brazil. I've been to Rio about 10 times and to Sao Paulo about 6 times and I've never been robbed, but I am extra careful because of bad experiences that I've had travelling in other countries. The only bad experience that I've had in Brazil in nearly getting into a fist-fight with a rude taxi driver. In BA I've never been robbed either.

I think both Argentina and Brazil are great, but I prefer Brazil. If I was paying for my ticket (or using my frequent flyer miles) I'd go to Brazil over Argentina. But if you can afford it, definitely try both as they are a thousand times better than the scene in the US.

Dear Yabba,

Thanxxx for all the details u provided about ur trip. I am deciding whether or not to take the long, long trip for Van, Canada all the way down or not. I've been to Thailand twice and i know u can't get much closer to heaven than going from an Argentinian trip to a Thailand.....I've got two words for u........LUCKY BASTARD!!!!...............getting back 2 the point. I just wanted to give thanxxx for the detailed reports u gave...it was almost like we were riding shotgun right along with u on the trip...it was great for me especially, because it finally sold me on the trip.......take care

otto...read your first days report on the french street place...seems to have vaporized but it was good to see you agreed...3 nice ones...and flexxx thanks for the mention...just do the same when your in the field...umgman...this report is for you because, like you, I just had to give it a whirl...

Last tango in BA...Well, it was my last night and according to plan I had my favorite lined up from the gfe J n B PUB. She sat down beside me and who sits next to me??...last nights favorite as well...I AM SURROUNDED...these young ladies proceed to tell me how they both promise to share my loins buy pointing from their lips to my yabba and saying beso...or kiss...I used my basic spanish and said to both of them mismo tiempo?...which means... at the same time??...oh yes they nodded. They both just kept rubbing my thighs and signaling me how the were going to make me suffer and off we were...200 pesos total for both and I was rock hard from the moment we left the place till I was done. First I made sure we had a little quality cuddling time as I lay on my back with a chica in each arm as they lay beside me holding my yabba as I blessed each one with gfe kisses...and then they both went down to my promissed land and took turns working high and low changing each time I said cambio...

Then the blonde mounted up as I lay on my back with my left hand holding her breast as my right wraped around the back of the other as she lay on her side next to me as I breast fed with relish and kissed as well...

Then a quick condom change and I begun to finish myself off buy riding the other babe as she lay on her back. Only this time I was laying on this chica diagonally as I breast fed on the other chica when I finished...wow

Hola,

Stumbled on to the following site, I don't think it has been posted in the new forum. If it has, sorry for the redundancy.

www.area-vip.com.ar

What interested me about this site, is in the information section they claim "On this web site we don´t publish any photographs that don´t belong to the girls in the ads."

Yabba,
I knew you'd cave in! The high/low tongue bath is a memory you treasure right up there with the kids' graduations! You know, its funny. I never would have expected it, but I have been having just as much sex since I came back to the states as I did in BA. Unfortunately, it has been with myself. Oh well.

By the way, Yabba. How do we get our own sections like Otto? I guess we have to actually make a trip to BA and post a bunch of reports, huh? Damn, I'm jealous.

Seriously wishing I was at Blacks right now,
Umgman

first i would like to thank jackson for this forum. it was a pleasure meeting you in b.a. i know i was not such wonderful company the last night. chalk it up to the the cold weather and a full escort day.

otto: a last minute drink before my flight was just to short. wish i could have gone on the town with you and compared notes.

i like your style, so maybe on another trip we can meet up and enjoy all the wonders of b.a..

to future travels to this picture perfect wonderland of total fufillment : " you lucky little pricks"

have a safe trip.

signing off

starfe

oh yes: the saint, it would never have happened without your help. you told it like it was and thats all anyone could ask for.

allanblues: www.area-vip.com.ar does air-brush their escorts photos. If you really want WSIWYG, try escorts-argentina.com
The webmistress is very helpful.

Starfe,

Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad that you and all others that have been to Buenos Aires have had such a great time. It's really almost a magical place to me. There is not a day that goes by that I don't think about it.

I'm fairly confident we will hook up in BA in the future. I'm glad I had the good fortune to meet you. I've been really lucky over the years and have made some great friends from these type of message boards. (Some of them have been life long friends). Cheers all!

P.S. Yes, Area-Vip does airbrush their photos but they are still some of the hottest girls in BA bar none. Yes, the pictures on the other sites like Platynum and others might not be "air brushed" but I saw several girls from the internet sites and all looked better on the internet sites. I've said it before and I'll say it again.... these girls pick the very best pictures to go on the site (perfect setting, perfect lighting, their 'best side', etc.). I'm not complaining though...these chicas are hot, hot hot.

Good luck all.