2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 422768]On Governor Romney's bill the Republicans and the Democrats worked together on it.

But, on the Health Care bill President Obama purposed, the Republicans sat on their collected thumbs.[/QUOTE]This is like shooting ducks in a shooting gallery, except that these ducks are too stupid to stay down after they've been shot.

Anyway, here's the response to your liberal [strike]lie[/strike] myth that [i]"Republicans sat on their collected thumbs'[/i]:

[quote]Anyway, to refute the claim that "Obama tried to work with Republicans", please cite just one Republican idea that was accepted by the Dems and subsequently included in the ObamaCare bill.

The fact is that the Republicans had dozens of ideas, all of which were in reality "stonewalled" by the Dems who refused even to allow any Republican amendments to be debated in the House committees or on the House floor.[/QUOTE]Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;422768]Also, Job bills have been proposed and the Republicans still sit on their thumbs. This has to be the worse congress that the Country has had.[/QUOTE]Those weren't jobs bills, they were tax-borrow-spend bills.

When will liberals ever learn that we cannot tax, borrow and spend our way to prosperity?

The answer is: They don't care, because borrowing money today allows them to payoff their supporters today while handing the bill to the taxpayers of tomorrow, all of which is an indirect method of redistributing wealth.

Thanks,

Jackson

Wow, Romney passing bipartisan healthcare reform in [i]Massachusetts. Ted Kennedy's state[/i]! LMAO! Give me a break. That's like Obama working with Republicans on a tax cut. Furthermore, only 8% of Massachusetts residents were uninsured. It wasn't a monumental achievement.

On the other hand, Obama has faced the most obstructionist (Republican) party that perhaps this country has ever witnessed. They wanted to bring him down on healthcare to make it his "Waterloo", and have proclaimed their #1 goal is to defeat him. Rather difficult to get bipartisan support when that is what you're up against.

The Affordable Care Act has at least 2 Republican ideas: the individual mandate, and a private sector focus (no public option). Those are 2 core elements of the new law, and should have provided enough common ground to gain some bipartisan support. Of course Obama wanted bipartisan support on health care reform, it looks good when you do get it. But when (finally) he realized Republicans were against him, he and Dems forged ahead alone rather than not fulfill their campaign promise.

Real leadership means sometimes doing things that are unpopular, but the right thing to do.

I agree it is important that our elected officials be able to compromise. Unfortunately, Republicans signed a pledge to an outside interest group never to compromise on taxes.

Yes Esten, ObamaCare was so popular it lead to the Democratic slaughter in 2010. I think we need another one of those Democratic "success" stories again in 2012 as well.

ObamaCare was so well crafted it is about to be over turned in the Supreme Court. It is not a matter of if it will be over turned it is only a matter of if only the mandate or the entire piece of crap is going to be over turned.

If obstruction is what you want to talk about, how about the Democrat control Senate. For a Democrat it is compromise only if the Republicans surrender and go along, if not then it's obstruction. So what do you call a Senate which will not even bring up bills for debate on the floor after they have been passed by the publicly elected represenatives of the people in the House of Represenatives, to use the phrase so often thrown out there by Obama.

A majority party does not "control" Senate. Any senators can impede a bill they do not like through filibuster, which can be stopped by 60 senators. So. 41 senators of a minority party can stop legislation. Today, threats, rather than exercise, of filibuster are frequently used, and they are effective enough to stop or modify legislation.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;422788]If obstruction is what you want to talk about, how about the Democrat control Senate. For a Democrat it is compromise only if the Republicans surrender and go along, if not then it's obstruction. So what do you call a Senate which will not even bring up bills for debate on the floor after they have been passed by the publicly elected represenatives of the people in the House of Represenatives, to use the phrase so often thrown out there by Obama.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas[/url]

[QUOTE=Jackson; 422761]How exactly was Obamacare [i]"stonewalled"[/i] By the Republicans? The Dems passed the bill, remember?

Anyway, to refute the claim that [i]"Obama tried to work with Republicans"[/i], please cite just one Republican idea that was accepted by the Dems and subsequently included in the ObamaCare bill.

The fact is that the Republicans had dozens of ideas, all of which were in reality [i]"stonewalled"[/i] By the Dems who refused even to allow any Republican amendments to be debated in the House committees or on the House floor.

My point is that [i]"working with"[/i] Means compromising with the other party, not merely listening to and then subsequently dismissing their ideas. If the Dems had actually compromised with the Republicans (tort reform, buying insurance across state lines, portability, I. E.) then ObamaCare would have enjoyed something more than zero bi-partisan support.

We have every right to expect our politicians to work together and compromise in fashioning legislation that more of us could have supported. Unfortunately, that takes real leadership, a talent that Obama sorely lacks.

Sorry, but another liberal myth bites the dust.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]

WT69 that is not quite true when Harry Reed, who controls what goes to floor for debate, will not even put the House bills before the Senate for debate. So you are being disingenuous when you mention the 60 vote requirement.

Senators can talk about anything and any bills at any time. Doesn't matter if Reid or minority leader stops particular agenda. Probably Reid did not bring the bill to the floor because there were no more than 60 supporters for the bill. Again, more than 41 senators, which include majority party members and leader as well as minority members, can stop any legislation. Senate is different from the House. Plus, I am not WT69.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;422795]WT69 that is not quite true when Harry Reed, who controls what goes to floor for debate, will not even put the House bills before the Senate for debate. So you are being disingenuous when you mention the 60 vote requirement.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;422793][url]http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas[/url][/QUOTE]Checkmate for WT69! Plenty of Republican ideas in the Affordable Care Act.

Sorry Jax.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 422733]Those who can, do. They are called EMPLOYERS.

Those who can't, don't. They are called EMPLOYEES.[/QUOTE]This seems like an appropriate time to introduce a term that has sometimes occured to me when reading this thread. A new term never coined before, introduced right here on AP:

[b][i]Golden Businessman Syndrome[/i][/b]

Just like Golden Pussy Syndrome, but for a businessman. Now just like not all chicas have GPS, not all businessmen have GBS. Just some, typically right-wing businessmen. It's an attitude that they are superior and beyond reproach, no matter what they may say or do.

Most businesses depend on the labor of others. Many businesses also depend on skills that the owners do not posess. The company wouldn't exist without those workers and their skills, just like the workers wouldn't have jobs without the owners. It's a mutual relationship. Each group benefits the other. It's also sound economic policy to ensure workers share in prosperity, vs. letting owners simply maximize their take. You don't have a strong economy without a strong middle class.

Clearly Doppel, you're an elitist like Romney. Why don't you repeat your quote above to your employees.

[QUOTE=Esten; 422815]This seems like an appropriate time to introduce a term that has sometimes occured to me when reading this thread. A new term never coined before, introduced right here on AP:

[b][i]Golden Businessman Syndrome[/i][/b]

Just like Golden Pussy Syndrome, but for a businessman. Now just like not all chicas have GPS, not all businessmen have GBS. Just some, typically right-wing businessmen. It's an attitude that they are superior and beyond reproach, no matter what they may say or do.

Most businesses depend on the labor of others. Many businesses also depend on skills that the owners do not posess. The company wouldn't exist without those workers and their skills, just like the workers wouldn't have jobs without the owners. It's a mutual relationship. Each group benefits the other. It's also sound economic policy to ensure workers share in prosperity, vs. Letting owners simply maximize their take. You don't have a strong economy without a strong middle class.

Clearly Doppel, you're an elitist like Romney. Why don't you repeat your quote above to your employees.[/QUOTE]Anybody like Gary Johnson (Libertarian) for President 2012?

[url]www.garyjohnson2012.com[/url]

Bullet Points.

Balance Budget Now.

Out of Afghanistan Now.

Pro Pot Legalization.

Pro Same Sex Marriage.

Pro Business and Pro Civil Liberties.

Fred

[QUOTE=Silver Star; 422820]Anybody like Gary Johnson (Libertarian) for President 2012?

[url]www.garyjohnson2012.com[/url]

Bullet Points.

Balance Budget Now.

Out of Afghanistan Now.

Pro Pot Legalization.

Pro Same Sex Marriage.

Pro Business and Pro Civil Liberties.

Fred[/QUOTE]You guys got what you wanted!

Now live with it!

TL

[QUOTE=Esten; 422814]Checkmate for WT69! Plenty of Republican ideas in the Affordable Care Act.

Sorry Jax.[/QUOTE]Yea, like I'm going to accept Obama's propaganda website as evidence.

Here's the real evidence: Not one single non-Democratic congressman could be convinced or persuaded to vote for the ObamaCare bill.

Everything else is just a smokescreen.

Thanks,

Jax

[QUOTE=Jackson; 422822]Yea, like I'm going to accept Obama's propaganda website as evidence.

Here's the real evidence: Not one single non-Democratic congressman could be convinced or persuaded to vote for the ObamaCare bill.

Everything else is just a smokescreen.

Thanks[/quote]http://cdn.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV?id=%7BE8C60B03-8F6B-43E8-93C9-1DF15A79AE0D%7D&title=2009%20Romney%20Says%20Obama%20Plan%20Is%20Following%20RomenyCare%20Model
Romney in 2009 on RomneyCare and Obama Care.

The 2 plans are much the same (individual mandate) so Romney has basically Flip Flopped again for political gain.

More Romney flipflops at mittromneyflipflops.com

Gov Gary Johnson (Libertarian) was against Obama Care from the start, no flip flop. (Principled)

(need help on how to hotlink)

Fred

Something we don't hear about in mainstream media is what happened in Iceland. The people revolted. They kicked out the entire government and kicked out the banksters. It started because the "women" had enough and weren't going to take it anymore.

The women started the "Pots and Pan Brigade."

They got together and banged pots and pans with metal spoons, etc. And made a enough noise loud enough that everyone in the government and everywhere else could hear it. They apparently stood outside government buildings and did this. Politicians were left cowering in their offices. After they took down their entire government, they jailed politicians and government officials.

Essentially they took their country back. The women inspired other women, then they inspired men.

There is going to be a "worldwide pots and pan brigade" on Thursday May 31, 2012.

From a News Story:

THE LADIES STEPPED UP AND RECOVERED THEIR COUNTRY'S ECONOMY.

The government of Iceland has forgiven the mortgage debt for much of its population. This nation chose a very different way of stopping the crisis from the rest of European countries. It decided to hear the requests of the population and to put politicians and bankers on the bench of the accused three years after their financial excesses would sank one of the most prosperous economies in 2008.

Is this best that you can do Esten? How pathetic.

One the last bastions of those who have run out of arguments and ideas is to start name calling.

When I left Arthur Anderson and started my own practice I left hundreds of other CPAs behind. Over time my practice continued to grow and I hired others to work for me. Any of the CPAs working for me can do the same this very minute. Just as any of the CPAs I left behind at AA could have left as well and started practices, but they don't. They prefer to work for others and not take the risk.

It is the few who 'do' and the many who 'don't'. I have no problem with those who 'don't' and CHOOSE to be employees. I have no syndrome what so ever beyond the willingness to take the risk associated with starting a business and producing a product the market will purchase. I take the risks and reap rewards. I have made both stupid and brilliant decisions from which only I lose or profit.

It is unrepentant capitalism which made this country great, offering the ability to make the better mouse trap and prosper. It is the qusi-socialist, everyone has to share, 'it's not fair' mentality which will destroy this great country.

When I see the 'Occupy' people out there with their 99% vs 1% signs it makes me ill.

As I saw my son-in-law off to his first deployment to Afghanistan yesterday, I saw another family member holding a sign with the photo of a soldier at the top of a hill at sunrise. The caption read 99% of Americans will wake up this morning and enjoy freedom. 1% of Americans will wake up this morning and defend it. My friend, those are the true 1%ers

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;422831]As I saw my son-in-law off to his first deployment to Afghanistan yesterday, I saw another family member holding a sign with the photo of a soldier at the top of a hill at sunrise. The caption read 99% of Americans will wake up this morning and enjoy freedom. 1% of Americans will wake up this morning and defend it. My friend, those are the true 1%ers[/QUOTE]Sadly WT69, Esten and the like have neither the education or intelligence to understand such an eloquent arguement dude. They are too busy howling at the moon.

By the way, as I predicted long ago on this board Romney is now the GOP presidential candidate. In November, the other half of my long ago prediction will come true. Tick. Tick. Tick, Monger on Dude. Toymann

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/report-gop-outside-groups-plan-spend-more-1-142453576.html[/url]

Interesting article on Yahoo today. What happened to the great Obama fund raising machine. You mean the "occupy people" aren't opening their wallets to support their great leader. IALOTFLMAO! Tick! Tick! Tick! And you all thought the 2010 democrat slaughter was impressive. Just wait till November! Happy Mongering All. Toymann.

Ps. One thing about Obamanation. He sure knows how to fire up the republican base! And he thinks Romney is "out of touch". Give me a friggin break!

First Doppel said employees are people who "can't". Now he says they "can".

Pure backpeddling. If it were an isolated occurence I might be inclined to cut him some slack. However this attitude of superiority has reared it's ugly head before, and is a theme that runs through his entire discourse on business and the economy. He may not like the name, but IMO Doppel is an elitist. Just a statement of fact as I see it.

What does military service have to do with this discussion? Nothing. I gather he segued into that as a play for sympathy or respect, after what he said. Well he's played that card now, and will need a new ploy next time. Maybe next time his true colors become too obvious, he'll tell us how as a kid his puppy got sick, or how he once helped an old lady cross the street.

Right wing businessmen seem to forget how the Golden Age of Capitalism (~ 1945-1975) coincided with significant government initiatives and investments, and the highest tax rates in the past century. It was balanced capitalism. Again we are reminded that business success does not teach one how to build a strong economy.

Watch this.

[url]http://www.history.com/shows/hatfields-and-mccoys[/url]

North against the South or as now Republicans against Democrats.

Same war different times.

They were families against each other.

What has changed?

Only Money!

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 422828]Something we don't hear about in mainstream media is what happened in Iceland. The people revolted. They kicked out the entire government and kicked out the banksters. It started because the "women" had enough and weren't going to take it anymore.

The women started the "Pots and Pan Brigade."

They got together and banged pots and pans with metal spoons, etc. And made a enough noise loud enough that everyone in the government and everywhere else could hear it. They apparently stood outside government buildings and did this. Politicians were left cowering in their offices. After they took down their entire government, they jailed politicians and government officials.

Essentially they took their country back. The women inspired other women, then they inspired men.

There is going to be a "worldwide pots and pan brigade" on Thursday May 31, 2012.

From a News Story:

THE LADIES STEPPED UP AND RECOVERED THEIR COUNTRY'S ECONOMY.

The government of Iceland has forgiven the mortgage debt for much of its population. This nation chose a very different way of stopping the crisis from the rest of European countries. It decided to hear the requests of the population and to put politicians and bankers on the bench of the accused three years after their financial excesses would sank one of the most prosperous economies in 2008.[/QUOTE]Hey WT,

Is this what you want for America? A country run by it's women?

Then why did you post this bullshit?

Of course, by many measures the USA is already a gynocracy.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Esten;422853].business success does not teach one how to build a strong economy.[/QUOTE]Esten,

Do you ever read some of the things you write?

So exactly what experience does "[i]teach one how to build a strong economy[/i]"?

A few years as a college law professor?

Lifetime employment as a government bureaucrat?

A professional career as a liberal politician?

ROTFLMAO!

Thanks,

Jackson

Esten, the only conclusion I can arrive at is you are blind, deaf and dumb when it comes to this discussion and anyone who disagrees with your point of view.

Esten do you even read the post before you start your response? You follow the great tradition of all liberals by taking "can" completely out of context. The only time I referred to "can" is when I pointed out those who CHOOSE to remain employees have the same opportunity to start a business but do not and prefer to not take the risk. Again, those who can, do; those who can't, don't. How can you even argue the point?

Again read the post, the "Occupy" movement always refers to the 99%, are you so inarticulate you are unable to make the connection between the 'Occupy' 99% and the 99% in the following sentence?

The 'Golden Age' you referred to was marked by much less regulation by the Federal Government and its subsequent interference with business, making my point of less not more Government intrusion into business for me.

Esten, for your edification here is the definition of elite or elitist: A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status.

The only one I see here who believes his views are superior to all others and anyone who disagrees with his views are barbarians would be you.

I see you are back to name calling again. Please be a bit more original. Surely you can do better than those on MSNBC

Many people are qualified to build a strong economy.

I can tell you the qualifications of someone who is completely unqualified to build a strong economy.

A few years as a college law professor.

Lifetime employment as a government bureaucrat.

A professional career as a liberal politician.

Expecting Obama to build a strong economy is similar to expecting a midget to be MVP in the NBA

Their Government took off all the regulations. They Privatized the banks.

"The people revolted. They kicked out the entire government and kicked out the banksters."

And we did nothing to our crooks!

http://www.sonyclassics.com/insidejob/

[QUOTE=Jackson; 422859]Hey WT,

Is this what you want for America? A country run by it's women?

Then why did you post this bullshit?

Of course, by many measures the USA is already a gynocracy.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]

Really, it was not that long ago, so how did we get to this stage? Yes, it is all about money. Not that money is evil, we need it to put food on the table and a roof over our head. America, the richest country with the highest standard of living is beyond this point. It is the next stage that get us in trouble, the allure of over consumption and spending, and the prestige and status that the comes along with material goods. Human greed, nothing new.

Personal responsiblity vs corporate responsiblity. At one time, Las Vegas was where you could fulfill your fantasies once or twice a year. I lost my ass many-a-time, but the fun was memorable and was inexpensive compared to the table losses. As with the financial institutions of today, you had to be wary of the easy credit suggested by the ever-present pit boss. Yes, America today is one giant Las Vegas. The Mafia is still alive and doing even better. We are wading in the swamp with housing mortgages, credit cards and student loans all in crisis. On the sideline, education and healthcare costs are spiraling. Like the free / cheap buffets / shows of yesteryear Las Vegas, they are long gone. Las Vegas has gone corporate.

So, for the drill-baby-drill crowd, pause, and try to suck in some fresh air (if you can find it). At some point, more does not mean better. We know any addiction is hard to break. I am still over spending in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 422864]Their Government took off all the regulations. They Privatized the banks.

"The people revolted. They kicked out the entire government and kicked out the banksters."

And we did nothing to our crooks!

[url]http://www.sonyclassics.com/insidejob/[/url][/QUOTE]No, no, no, you don't get to pretend that you didn't post what you actually posted.

Here's what you posted:

[quote]It started because the "[B]women[/B]" had enough and weren't going to take it anymore.

The [B]women[/B] started the "Pots and Pan Brigade."

They got together and banged pots and pans with metal spoons, etc. And made a enough noise loud enough that everyone in the government and everywhere else could hear it. They apparently stood outside government buildings and did this. Politicians were left cowering in their offices. After they took down their entire government, they jailed politicians and government officials.

Essentially they took their country back. The [B]women[/B] inspired other [B]women[/B], then they inspired men.[/QUOTE]So I'm going to ask you again:

Is this what you want?

Do you advocate a country run by women?

Do you want to be governed by women?

If not, then why did you post this?

Please explain.

Thanks,

Jackson

The women started the protest.

Just like us ex-long hairs did protesting the Vietnam War. We protesters in the streets started the ball rolling.

We banged pots and beat on drums. We made noise.

You asked if I wanted a country run by women?

That is not what was said.

Where did you pick that up from?

http://www.hermes-press.com/iceland_index.htm

[QUOTE=Jackson; 422872]No, no, no, you don't get to pretend that you didn't post what you actually posted.

Here's what you posted:

So I'm going to ask you again:

Is this what you want?

Do you advocate a country run by women?

Do you want to be governed by women?

If not, then why did you post this?

Please explain.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]

Here's some more definitions for you Doppel:
[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=elitist[/url]

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;422831]One the last bastions of those who have run out of arguments and ideas is to start name calling.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Doppelganger;422862]Esten, the only conclusion I can arrive at is you are blind, deaf and dumb when it comes to this discussion[/QUOTE] LMAO !!

[QUOTE=Esten; 422879]Here's some more definitions for you Doppel:

[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=elitist[/url]

LMAO![/QUOTE]Esten, you have just provided the description of yourself to a "T".

Do you even read what others post before responding or what you quote from their post? From your responses it does not appear you do.

Still calling those who do not agree with you names, very sad.

Wow! Exactly as some on this board predicted. Obama will destroy a normal economic recovery. If it isn't increased taxes, runaway debt or trillions of taxpayer $$$$$ wasted on Obama's birdbrain business ventures it is unnecessary regulations. And Obama's night of the living dead zombie supporters want 4 more years of this???? I think even Obama wants to be defeated in November. Obama wants out. Obama is tired of being way over his head without a clue how a free market economy functions.

To be fair, name calling happens all the time in this forum. It does not matter who started first. As long as you are having fun, it does not matter.

[QUOTE=Jackson; 422872]Do you advocate a country run by women? Do you want to be governed by women?

Please explain.

Jackson[/QUOTE]Your comment raises the obvious question. Why do you remain in a country run by a woman?

Over the years your views on women and what their place is has been manifested over and over again.

It's a wonder how you have avoided to fate of Loretta Bobbit's hubby? Can we assume you sleep with one eye open when a chica stays over? If not, you probably should!

Or more likely at your age one quick pop and send her packin' is the rule?

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 422876]You asked if I wanted a country run by women?

That is not what was said.

Where did you pick that up from?

[url]http://www.hermes-press.com/iceland_index.htm[/url][/QUOTE]Where did I pick it up from? Your post was in open admiration of the women in Iceland who "took down their entire government", "jailed politicians and government officials", "[B]women[/B] inspired other [B]women[/B]" and "took their country back".

It seems to me that you are admiring that the country of Iceland is now run by wonen after they "took their country back".

Here's what you posted:

[quote]It started because the "[B]women[/B]" had enough and weren't going to take it anymore.

The [B]women[/B] Started the "Pots and Pan Brigade."

They got together and banged pots and pans with metal spoons, etc. And made a enough noise loud enough that everyone in the government and everywhere else could hear it. They apparently stood outside government buildings and did this. Politicians were left cowering in their offices. After they took down their entire government, they jailed politicians and government officials.

Essentially they took their country back. The [B]women[/B] inspired other [B]women[/B], then they inspired men.[/QUOTE]What do you think this says?

It did not say they were running the Country, just started the ball rolling.

[QUOTE=Jackson; 422898]Where did I pick it up from? Your post was in open admiration of the women in Iceland who "took down their entire government","jailed politicians and government officials","[B]women[/B] Inspired other [B]women[/B]" and "took their country back".

It seems to me that you are admiring that the country of Iceland is now run by women after they "took their country back".

Here's what you posted:

What do you think this says?[/QUOTE]

Here a little bit of information I'm sure you missed.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;422912]Here a little bit of information I'm sure you missed.[/QUOTE]Fine, but Barak Obama / Bush2 and Congress increased the debt to unsustainable levels. We need to balance the budget now, the only candidate for President saying that is Gary Johnson (Libertarian)

And by the way, we have Romney dead to rights on flip flops, just about every issue you can imagine, especially the individual mandate, tarp, gun control, abortion, on and on. Romney says whatever it takes to get elected and has no backbone.

[url]www.garyjohnson2012.com[/url]

Fred

It's not just the Flip Flops, but his Lies.

[url]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/12/1082975/-EVERY-Romney-Lie-In-One-Place-UPDATED-[/url]

[QUOTE=Silver Star; 422916]Fine, but Barak Obama / Bush2 and Congress increased the debt to unsustainable levels. We need to balance the budget now, the only candidate for President saying that is Gary Johnson (Libertarian)

And by the way, we have Romney dead to rights on flip flops, just about every issue you can imagine, especially the individual mandate, tarp, gun control, abortion, on and on. Romney says whatever it takes to get elected and has no backbone.

[url]www.garyjohnson2012.com[/url]

Fred[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 422927]It's not just the Flip Flops, but his Lies.

[url]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/12/1082975/-EVERY-Romney-Lie-In-One-Place-UPDATED-[/url][/QUOTE]Wow! That list was a mile long! Thanks for posting that one. I can't see how those that consider themselves fiscal conservatives and pro gun rights backing Romney. There is an alternative, the

Libertarian Party.

Fred

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ9w_g9BpPA[/url]

This what happening now.

The power brokers control your pay check.

If you make under 1 mil. You mean jack shit to Romney.

KEEP Watching the mis-leading Fox TV shows.

If you think I am Wrong call Romney and see he if calls you Back. Send him an email or tritter (?) him. Bietter yet send him a few hundred dollars and see what his reply will be?

We Want To Know?

You Dummies know his answers to you will be to fuck off.

Fuck off you poor small time employers, because you are not a part of Romney billionaires club. You want the jobs to go up, but will not support a new tax increase.

Ask him and his rich friends to invest in Building the jobs.

They are making billions.

[b]When Obama took office the market was in 700s, now it is in the 1200s.[/b]

Obama requests a new job program and you say it is a tax or budget increases.

That does not make sense?

Where are the accountants?

Corporations are making billions and still the people suffer.

They are the ones that should be hiring, they are the rich employers, that have just made millions of dollars from cheap labor.

But they don't Help You or Us!

Stay tuned, more real facts to come.

[QUOTE=Silver Star; 422929]Wow! That list was a mile long! Thanks for posting that one. I can't see how those that consider themselves fiscal conservatives and pro gun rights backing Romney. There is an alternative, the

Libertarian Party.

Fred[/QUOTE]