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Having worked waiting tables in my life, I appreciated getting tipped. I do try to find out the tipping customs in places I visit, but even so, I always leave a reasonable tip wherever I go, whether it's the custom or not. In so doing, I've never had anybody say that they thought less of me for having done so. Maybe they THOUGHT so, but they didn't say it. Oh well. Better to err on the side of being thought of as stupidly generous rather than cheap and miserly. This is my own personal diplomacy to help out the image of Norteamericanos overseas. ;)
Uncle Otto
PS - Let one thinks not tipping is a "European" thing, one of the most tip-conscious places in the world is Hungary. And last time I checked, they're Europeans. :)
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Just a quick question, and then you guys can get back to philosophizing....
I will be in BA later on this week and I'm thinking of venues for an afternoon juntita while I'm there. I've read through the list of private apartments that Jackson posted, sounds like Maipu, Suipacha and Santa Fe are the top contenders. I'm just wondering if anyone has any recent experience at Bonne Femme or this new place I see on the internet, Baires Love.
Gracias amigos,
Guillermo
And now back to our regularly scheduled programming....
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Hey I realize this is the Buenos Aires Economic Debate Forum, but I was just wondering if anybody has gotten LAID recently???? Personally I ALWAYS pay the girls double what they ask, so they will know what nice guys we Gringos are! Just doing my part for international diplomacy.
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About to go to the airport (more depressed than usual) for the trip al norte after my fourth visit to Argentina.
Spent most of my time at 3221 Guemes. Was taken with a blonde called Millena, and one called Carolina. Exceptional value for 70 pesos for the half hour. Apparently these girls appear on some website.
Also paid a visit to 1707 Santa Fe, where it was the standard fare: an exceptionally pretty, pleasant, slim practitioner of BBBJ (francesa sin globo) for 60 pesos for the half hour. This and the Guemes place are exceptional value, in my opinion.
The last day here-a session with Millena, followed by a sumptuous lunch with wine at RodiVinho (on Callao) for 12 dollars.
If this isn´t living, what is? Feel bad for the poor SOBs who haven´t discovered BA.
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[quote]Originally posted by Chuponalgas
I was just wondering if anybody has gotten LAID recently???? Personally I ALWAYS pay the girls double what they ask, so they will know what nice guys we Gringos are! Just doing my part for international diplomacy.
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I got a blowjob from an ugly chica the other day. She had an ass as wide as the River Plate, her stomach had more rolls than a bakery, and she more lines on her face than one finds on a road map, but HEY! It was only 40 pesos!
I also had a glass of beer for a mere one peso. Sure, it tasted like chilled squirrel piss, but what a price! The place also served free pizza. It may have tasted like toasted cardboard with brown dirt sprinkled on top, but it was free!
All you suckers, you're all paying too much for your fun. You need to be more like me, the equation is "OttoGraham minus taste equals a cheap good time."
Uncle Otto
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Starfe - you would pay $500 for a bartender ? Holy macaroni ! $500 just for someone to pour you a drink ? :) Now that is a big tip.
More seriously though, it appears that it is the venue, and not the chica, that is a determinant of pricing. Reading Dickhead's example, the same chica commands a premium at one place compared to the other.
What is good is that we will never agree on what is better quality and this is good as we all don't end up chasing the same chicas. OK, most of us will prefer Jennifer Lopez over Roseanne but we will probably split into almost equal sized groups when we are faced with a choice of Cameron Diaz or Gwyneth Paltrow.
In my travels, I have always been amazed by the tastes of my fellow mongers in the kind of girls they take out of clubs. It is true diversity of taste.
I only mention this in the context of the discussion of price and quality. One man's better quality is another man's waste of money. Long may it remain so.
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JackDaniels,
I will be back at that club on Nov 12th and close that deal. She was 5'10" and looked like she just stepped out of a Playboy centerfold. I set goals for every trip.
Thank god they don't include a cure for cancer.
Starfe
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Well I have what everyone I talk to thinks is a very cute chica and she has been blowing me since last night and I will give her 120 pesos and she will be happy. I don't go with ugly chicas. Ask anyone.
EDIT: My chica refused to take any money because she started her period in the middle of the night. Like I fucking give a shit. I'll sneak her some more next time just to be fair.
Regarding Otto's comments, last Sunday I got a blow job for 40 pesos from a girl whose ass was very nice, who had no rolls on her stomach, and no lines on her face.
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Hey, it's great to back in BA! Great to see some of the fellow mongers!
Seems like the last page or so is a debate on price, quality, value, whatever...here's my 2 cents worth of advice, based on experience and what others have said that I found to be true:
There is no correlation between price and quality.
There is no correlation between looks and quality.
There is no correlation between someone else's experience with a girl and your experience with the same girl.
I agree with JackDaniels: sometimes I'm amazed at the tastes of my fellow mongers! But, on the other hand, they're probably equally amazed at me. De gustibus non disputandum.
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Chicks with Dicks don't count!!!!
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I am sorry, Chuponalgas, but you must have me confused with your mother. Now go suck butt somewhere else.
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ABOUT THE CULTURE OF TIPPING
Completing my first trip to BA, and while editing my report, just a quick response to CaptainNemo and Saint’s posts of 10-04-04, with respect to the culture of tipping. There is no need to have a (controversial) view, but a better understanding of the culture should prove useful:
1) CaptainNemo wrote: “…I was embarrassed by some of those Europeans who absolutely refuse to leave a tip in American restaurants.
2) Saint wrote: “…If I was in a restaurant in the USA with a European and they didn't leave a tip, I'd never go out to eat with them again.”
For 5 years as a student in Europe, I worked in the HORECA sector.
HORECA is the abbreviation for Hotel – Restaurant – Café.
In the 1060s, early 1970s, it was common practice to leave a 15% tip on top of the bill. Waiters and waitress were getting their pay exclusively on tips. Hence, you can understand how disappointed and angry they could become when they had done their best, and how pissed one can feel by the arrogance of some customers behaving as asshole champions, leaving less than 10% if not less than 5%, or, even more insulting, only a dime.
Then in the mid-1970s in most E.U. countries, it became compulsory by law to have the 15% tip INCLUDED in the price of the menu. In other words, never again a disappointment and/or an argument in the server-customer relationship, and therefore, there is no need for room on the European credit card receipts to add a tip. Same thing in every other sector of the economy, for instance for taxi-driver: the tip is included in the price!
The waitress, the taxi-driver, etc, get then their pay out of the total price, and argument, if any, is reduced to a common employer-employee relationship, hence leaving the customer out of it, hence keeping the customer happy… (smile, big, big smile)
Working in the sector, I appreciated that “civilized” law: I knew that for my hard work, I shall always get my salary, even if the customer complained about the coffee or beer brand served at the place. If he does not like the brand, it is up to him to go elsewhere, and once he orders the service, then his duty is to pay for the service.
Today, when traveling around the world, most Europeans do not know what is a tip. As it is compulsory by law in their country, ignorant as they most are, they do not know that in other and “laggard” countries, compulsory is not the case as yet.
When I was first in the USA, assuming that that country was at least as civilized as Europe, I also did not pay any tip. Once, in my limited English of the time, I could perceive how mad and rude the taxi-driver was getting at me. So, I inquired, and I learnt that, by comparison to Europe, the USA social law is fairly laggard in this respect of the workers.
Thus, it is better to understand differences in tipping culture, isn’t it?
Thus Saint, have a second diner with your European friends, and help them to understand the USA laggard culture of both sex-prison and anti-social lack of compulsory law of tipping.
As far as I am personally concerned, here in Argentina, I always left a 15% tip. Cheap bastards would say that I am probably overgenerous. But well, I prefer to keep my distance from cheap bastards, and to socialize with more generous people.
With respect to girls from the triangle, most of the time, they started negotiations at AR$300. Instead of negotiating a cheaper price, I proposed for more time, like TDL. Most girls liked the prospect, or more exactly the certainty of having the income of two customers a night, with the possibility to sleep instead of having to return to their boliche, hunting a not-certain second customer. Hence, sex in the night, sex again in the morning and sometime sex in the middle of the night also, depending how time was used, with a girl happy to know that she will get a guaranteed income equivalent of two customers for her efforts to please to one only. In addition, to a grateful girl, you leave one tip only. So is the art of getting higher quality at a lower cost, for both partners. (smile)
Next part when I shall be back in Europe.
Enjoy the spring at BA, and happy mongering,
Butter Fly
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JackDaniels posted: "we are faced with a choice of Cameron Diaz or Gwyneth Paltrow".
Take a good look at some of the pictures posted in the WSG BA section. Many of those girls aren't a "Cameron Diaz" OR a "Gwyneth Paltrow". That's my whole point. I think some of them are closer on the Rosanne side then the names you mentioned. I'm quite glad we all have different tastes in girls though. It would be damn boring if we all liked the same type of girls. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as the Photo section clearly shows.
Good luck.
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I was speaking hypothetically not literally.
Purely to illustrate that people have different tastes.
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I will pay more for a girl in Blacks or Madahos simply because if I am going out on the town for a few hours I would rather hang in a club like Madahos or Blacks. When I factor in the lighting, ventilation, comfort and fresh squeezed OJ for my vodka, its worth the extra 100 pesos.
Did you ever think that its all you guys paying the average girls 100-150 pesos that makes the hot ones believe they are worth 250. You budget minded value guys are making it real tough on those of us that don't give a damn.
Face it, there are different levels of mongering which should satisfy everyones tastes. I just got back from a weekend in the Dominican Republic and I was in Hell. But one mans Hell is another mans Heaven.