2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;427208]Break it down for us simple folks, my head is spinning. (3 smiles)[/QUOTE]The crib notes are that last night:

1. Obama was alone, armed only with his record and what he knows and believes. Therefore, he was defenseless.

2. Objectively, there is nothing about Obama or his record as president that can be truthfully pitched as proven success (if you disagree, don't bother with talking points, be specific with the perceived achievements).

3. In the absence of any shred of proof that anything Obama has done has helped the US economy, voters are left to scratch their heads. When he can't specify one success on the economic front, the voters get pucker factor.

4. Romney, to his credit (I've never been a Romney supporter, until he got the nomination) has some balls. He went after Obama on his failures. In contrast, McCain was afraid to even pronounce his name for fear of offending someone.

5. The people who were surprised by last night's performance were the those on the left and others who believed the media about who Romney is.

6. When Romney had the opportunity to disintermediate (I. E. Remove the middleman) his relationship with the public, the public, overwhelmingly found him to be likeable and competent (a stark contrast to the other guy on the stage).

[QUOTE=El Alamo;427214]`Trickle down government` that about says it all. Explains why we are all hurting. Government is not the answer to our problems. Government is the problem.[/QUOTE]I thought "trickle-down government" was a keeper as was "You pick the losers."

Romney and his advisers took a page out of Ross Perot's campaign manual: keep it simple and when possible draw a picture. Since Romney didn't have a whiteboard, he had to find one or two opportunities to create a mental picture. The oil "subsidies" were a juicy hanging curve ball, out over the plate. Romney crushed it with the mental illustration (see how I did that?) of how the handouts pissed away to Obama's contributors under the guise of "green energy" were the equivalent to 50 years of the oil "subsidies."

I love the post-debate coverage with geniuses like Stephanopolis were calling it a draw and saying that no one landed a knock-out punch. While the latter may be true (no knock-out punch) , Romney was able to land jabs and crosses, at will. Had it been a fight, the referee would have called it less than half way through.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 427215]2. Objectively, there is nothing about Obama or his record as president that can be truthfully pitched as proven success (if you disagree, don't bother with talking points, be specific with the perceived achievements).

.[/QUOTE]1. Auto Bailouts.

2. Killed OBL.

3. Drone campaign against Al-Qaeda

4. Ended the "black hole" war in Iraq

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales; 427224]1. Auto Bailouts.

2. Killed OBL.

3. Drone campaign against Al-Qaeda

4. Ended the "black hole" war in Iraq[/QUOTE]I must add some more:

Ended Qaddafi reign in Libya without a single American combat troop loss.

Successfully ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell and established equal rights in the Military.

Got most of the TARP funds disbursed under the Bush / Paulson regime repaid to the Treasury, and restored a functioning banking system.

Stimulus Prevented the next Great Depression from happening, and restored over 75% of American Wealth lost from 2006-2008.

Established first ever universal healthcare program in the USA . It's a fact, if you could not obtain insurance before, this is a HUGE breakthrough and will likely save hundreds of thousands of American lives annually by insuring all Americans can get their illnesses treated.

Libyan people, rather than Obama or the US gov, ended the Qaddafi regime. For the universal halthcare, it is premature to make assessment of the positive and negative impact. We must see if the whole medical cost will decline or not (market competition vs economy of scale argument) and if the number of sick people will increase since they worry less about medical cost, as conservatives project.

[QUOTE=Member #2041; 427226]I must add some more:

Ended Qaddafi reign in Libya without a single American combat troop loss.

Established first ever universal healthcare program in the USA. It's a fact, if you could not obtain insurance before, this is a HUGE breakthrough and will likely save hundreds of thousands of American lives annually by insuring all Americans can get their illnesses treated.[/QUOTE]

Stop supporting the Republican Party, which wants to maintain and control the government, and start advocating for an anarchist society without government?

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 427214Government is the problem.[/QUOTE]

Interesting, most commentary about the debate seems to focus on style. Romney was said to be more forceful and energetic. Obama too reserved and polite (or worse names from some). Obama looked down too much, etc. A little silly to me. I don't like a salesman pitch, I like someone who appeals to my reason and intelligence. Obama beat Romney on this count, but it seems many Americans (including some liberals) put a lot of value on style, they want to see a fight. Ehhhh, I'm influenced much more by policy and character.

I noticed a lot of right wing aggression and chest-thumping. Trying to kick Obama to the curb with lies and smears. Rather ugly, but that's nothing new. It's the same type of arrogance that gives Americans a bad name abroad. I guess they needed a release, after the trouncing Romney has had in the polls.

Now that Mitt Romney is proclaimed a strong candidate by his party, if he loses, his failure will be explained differently. We won't be able to say it was because Republicans didn't have a good candidate. The only explanation will be that Americans rejected the Republican message. This temporary focus on style will shift back to substance (policy), in fact it already started today. And this is where Republicans struggle. It is indeed too early to proclaim a winner. But if Romney loses now, people will be talking about Laura Ingraham's advice to "shut down the Republican Party". It will be ugly.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;427224]1. Auto Bailouts.[/quote]I said positive, not brazen, extraconstitutional national appropriation of private property.

[quote=]2. Killed OBL.[/quote]Obama had as much to do with killing Bin Laden as did George Bush. Your point?

[quote=]3. Drone campaign against Al-Qaeda[/quote]Killing people, completely devoid of legal finding, is now a liberal call to arms?

[quote=]4. Ended the "black hole" war in Iraq[/QUOTE]What? I think that the heat is getting to you. Nice try, though.

I will omit that Romney had better Lies. Romney gained one percent overall.

In other words the small 47% people, Know Where O'Romney came from.

What is the name of his Planet? Should have been "Rich Man Only"

I bet you do not know, where his after life will be?

P. S. Russ LimtDick said the Obama's grades were C's, in Harvard, but the school gave him A's.

Gee, there must have been a Lot of Black Professors to do That?

[QUOTE=Member #2041; 427226]I must add some more:

Ended Qaddafi reign in Libya without a single American combat troop loss.[/QUOTE]I don't think that team-O-loser wants to highlight their "successes" in Libya, right now.

[quote=]Successfully ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell and established equal rights in the Military.[/quote]Honestly? With all due respect to those that bat for the other, or both teams, the gay population of the US is well below 10% and less than 1% of the US population is in the military. So 100% of the country is suffering and Obama is doing what?

[quote=]Got most of the TARP funds disbursed under the Bush / Paulson regime repaid to the Treasury, and restored a functioning banking system.[/quote]TARP had president elect Obama's fingerprints all over it. Any illusion of the US tax payer getting repaid for TARP and / or stimulus is pure fantasy.

[quote=]Stimulus Prevented the next Great Depression from happening, and restored over 75% of American Wealth lost from 2006-2008.[/quote]Your figures on the restoration of wealth are perplexing. As for preventing the next great depression, I am not certain how giving $2T to cronies and supporters of of the president saved us from anything.

[quote=]Established first ever universal healthcare program in the USA .[/quote]I really heard Obama banging the Obamacare drum last night.

[quote=]It's a fact, if you could not obtain insurance before, this is a HUGE breakthrough and will likely save hundreds of thousands of American lives annually by insuring all Americans can get their illnesses treated.[/QUOTE]Poppycock. You can say whatever you want as often as you like, it still won't make it true. I have never had a problem getting insurance individually or as a family, with loads of preexisting conditions. Even if you weren't completely off base, how many people do you think that this would help? Consider that up to 50 million Americans may lose their health insurance due to Obamacare. Just like the $90B pissed away on Obama's cronies in the "green energy business" it appears that the left is willing to err to the extent of 50X, in order to help a few. If you don't think that is anti-American, well.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 427244]P. S. Russ LimtDick said the Obama's grades were C's, in Harvard, but the school gave him A's.

Gee, there must have been a Lot of Black Professors to do That?[/QUOTE]I will never say a word in anger towards WT (considering the ear-to-ear sh*t-eating-grins he has enabled) , however, I would like to point out there is very little chance that racial preference played no role in getting a black stoner from Occidental to Columbia and then on the Harvard.

In every room he enters, Obama is the least qualified person present.

I have the feeling that the first debate was Obama doing a "rope a dope" and that Toymann will still be paying my night at Madahos.

[QUOTE=David_33;427247]I have the feeling that the first debate was Obama doing a "rope a dope" and that Toymann will still be paying my night at Madahos.[/QUOTE]One can't execute the rope-a-dope, if one lacks all forms of substance.

You can keep whacking off to that Farah Faucet poster but, I don't think that she is going to knock on your door, anytime soon.

In what Country did your family escape from.

Where is your Birth Certificate?

Check the Sailing List, was your relatives on Board?

Or did your family get into the USA Like Romney's Dad Did? Illegally?

[url]http://www.maritimeheritage.org/[/url]

Sounds You Are Loaded!

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 427246]I will never say a word in anger towards WT (considering the ear-to-ear sh*t-eating-grins he has enabled) , however, I would like to point out there is very little chance that racial preference played no role in getting a black stoner from Occidental to Columbia and then on the Harvard.

In every room he enters, Obama is the least qualified person present.[/QUOTE]