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[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;431856]It looks like Marco Rubio is too colored for some of his party, that he had to move North.[/QUOTE]There it is. The true agenda. The politics of personal destruction rearing its ugly head. Let's continue to paint the narritave that all conversatives are evil racists and all liberals are as pure as the driven snow.
[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;431851]The 13th. Amendment ONLY abolished slavery in most terms but did not address Civil Rights untill the 14th. And 15th. Amendments.
TL.[/QUOTE]Facts are not important to liberals. Only emotions are important.
Then why are most Jews, blacks, Latinos voting dem?
I won't even start on the anti gay marriage stance from the right.
That's the fact.
Now I'm going fishing.
WT69, all the folks you named are Democrats not Republicans. Unless you are trying to rewrite history, the Civil Rights Act was passed by Republicans because Democrats in the South refused to abide by the Amendments you named. One of the great Democratic Senators was a leader of the KKK who fought against integration and the Civil Rights Act!
Regarding Latino's, Blacks and Jews voting Democratic:
Blacks like the image of being victims and the hand outs.
Latino's want immigration laws changed so their illegal relatives can stay and receive handouts.
For the life of me I don't know why Jewish folks vote for these bone heads.
Everyone knows Bill Cosby. Years ago he was down on white people's treatment of blacks, buying into the victim ideology and the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton et al cheered him on. Today Cosby has done a 180 blaming blacks for their status and failure to progress earning the condemnation of the NAACP, Jackson and Sharpton.
Now WT69 why would a highly successful black man make such a change?
In the end, most people are resistant to change, as in the Civil Rights Act. They have be dragged, screaming & crying to the new order. America is going through new population & social mores, and the people who used to hold the power & status are desparately fighting against the inevitable. And so, as in ObamaCare & Immigration, we are now seeing a slow crumbling surrender. And so history marches on, regardless if you are in the way & getting stepped on. So, if you can find comfort in stubborness & righteousness, so be it.
Ha ! This thread can't go long without some new debate popping up. Politics is like our soap opera.
Regarding my recent brouhaha with another poster, it's unfortunate as I do value the camaraderie and good will between mongers. I'm sure that person is of fine character. Instead of making possibly elitist-sounding comments about worthiness, I should have just said "I'm not going to be bothered with this anymore." Which I'm not.
[QUOTE=Jackson;431861]Facts are not important to liberals. Only emotions are important.[/QUOTE]Long-time readers will know that this statement, which Jackson has repeated lately, is the complete reverse of what I've said several times in the past. Only the above statement is more definitive; while I used words like [I]"Conservatives tend to be more influenced by emotion."[/I], there is no such qualifier here. Jackson is surely just posting for fun. And the irony of making such an absolute statement, after scolding WT69 for making a sweeping statement about Republicans, is not lost here. LOL !! Good stuff.
WT69's post was indeed sweeping concerning Republicans. But it was fairly accurate concerning Mississippi. There is plenty of information documenting racism in the South, and Mississippi is often cited. Interestingly, an analysis of immediate post-2012-election Twitter "tweets" showed Mississippi and Alabama had the highest ratio of racist tweets. Per the link below, "They were followed by Georgia, Louisiana, Tennessee, forming a "fairly distinctive cluster in the southeast" of online hate speech, the research finds."
Map lays out racist election tweets, most originated from southeast
[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/map-pinpoints-election-online-hate-tweets-article-1.1199402[/URL]
Racism isn't a big issue for me, but this finding isn't surprising. And here's some facts about the 1964 Civil Rights Act. It wasn't just passed by Republicans, as Jackson implies. It was passed by majorities of [B]both[/B] Republicans and Democrats. The real story was the opposition in the South vs. the support in the North. And at the time, in the South, there were more congressional Democrats than Republicans. It was a regional difference not a party difference. If you want to get into the nitty gritty, the Act had a bit more support from Democrats than Republicans in both the North and the South. In fact, the Act had exactly [B]zero (0)[/B] support from Republicans in the South. Yes, facts are important to liberals.
This is an insult to those who live in the South and to people of all races. Esten would you please put your brain before your ideology. Even if you don't' believe the analysis, this chart, at best, shows, an association, but it does not in any way prove racism. Here are just a few of the reasons why. First, there are no methods. Second it seems it would count every tweet, every return tweet again, etc Third it is not population based. If you look at the source website the idiots who did this analysis have a pie chart that includes multiple categories subdividing the same data repeatedly but counting it each time (I.e. The same aged person is counted multiple times because they create categorical variables and then treat them like numbers. The data that makes up a pie chart must =100% The pieces can't overlap each other and add up to greater than 100% They also appear to have not realized Vermont is a state, and DC is not. Furthermore, African Americans likely use the two trigger words more often than do White Americans, and this chart does nothing to differentiate a racial slur from an idiot using trash terms within his or her own race. This is especially important because the South has a far higher relative percentage of African Americans. So what makes you think that all of these tweets were racism? Maybe they were all Democratic strategists tweeting each other and trying to stir up votes by making up yet another race issue.
Now let me go geek for a minute. If you combine the raw data with population statistics, you find that actually, by far, the highest % racist tweet per white person occurred in. Yes you guessed it Washington DC: a 48% Democratic area, right now, which also has a 49% black racial makeup. Do you believe DC is the bastion of racism? The next four highest states are North Dakota, Mississippi, Alabama, and Delaware (which is 52% Democrat) . This racial warfare crap is not useful to anyone or any race so why don't we stop stirring stupid flames based on crap data. BTW even in DC, which was more than 7 times greater than 42 other states, the number was 7.2%MILLION white people, or 0.000000072 of the tweets as a ratio. I really don't think you can say that something that occurred at a lower incidence than lightning strikes constitutes racism. All the data used for this analysis was taken from 2010 census data available at the US. Gov, Rasmussen, Gallop, Pugh, and CDC sites.
Pete.
[QUOTE=Esten;431876]Long-time readers will know that this statement, which Jackson has repeated lately, is the complete reverse of what I've said several times in the past. Only the above statement is more definitive; while I used words like [I]"Conservatives tend to be more influenced by emotion."[/I], there is no such qualifier here. Jackson is surely just posting for fun. And the irony of making such an absolute statement, after scolding WT69 for making a sweeping statement about Republicans, is not lost here. LOL !! Good stuff.
WT69's post was indeed sweeping concerning Republicans. But it was fairly accurate concerning Mississippi. There is plenty of information documenting racism in the South, and Mississippi is often cited. Interestingly, an analysis of immediate post-2012-election Twitter "tweets" showed Mississippi and Alabama had the highest ratio of racist tweets. Per the link below, "They were followed by Georgia, Louisiana, Tennessee, forming a "fairly distinctive cluster in the southeast" of online hate speech, the research finds."
Map lays out racist election tweets, most originated from southeast
[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/map-pinpoints-election-online-hate-tweets-article-1.1199402[/URL]
Racism isn't a big issue for me, but this finding isn't surprising. And here's some facts about the 1964 Civil Rights Act. It wasn't just passed by Republicans, as Jackson implies. It was passed by majorities of [B]both[/B] Republicans and Democrats. The real story was the opposition in the South vs. the support in the North. And at the time, in the South, there were more congressional Democrats than Republicans. It was a regional difference not a party difference. If you want to get into the nitty gritty, the Act had a bit more support from Democrats than Republicans in both the North and the South. In fact, the Act had exactly [B]zero (0)[/B] support from Republicans in the South. Yes, facts are important to liberals.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;431867]WT69, all the folks you named are Democrats not Republicans. Unless you are trying to rewrite history, the Civil Rights Act was passed by Republicans because Democrats in the South refused to abide by the Amendments you named. One of the great Democratic Senators was a leader of the KKK who fought against integration and the Civil Rights Act!
Regarding Latino's, Blacks and Jews voting Democratic:
Blacks like the image of being victims and the hand outs.
Latino's want immigration laws changed so their illegal relatives can stay and receive handouts.
For the life of me I don't know why Jewish folks vote for these bone heads.
Everyone knows Bill Cosby. Years ago he was down on white people's treatment of blacks, buying into the victim ideology and the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton et al cheered him on. Today Cosby has done a 180 blaming blacks for their status and failure to progress earning the condemnation of the NAACP, Jackson and Sharpton.
Now WT69 why would a highly successful black man make such a change?[/QUOTE]People learn more as they get Older.
Yes a lot of the South Were Democrats in the Old Days, but there true Hearts and money were Southern Republicans. Check out Our History.
The lines are not that clear, same as now.
Peter maybe you are One in the South that Believe in what you say.
And also you did not see the same Signs as I Did.
Maybe you were too young to see what the South was and Some of the Old Timers Are?
Most of Us only want freedom for All.
I always wanted No Passports.
But now that reason, could be a problem.
Mainly because of Gangs, aka Politicians, and the Rich that what more than the Need. Cheap Labor, aka Greed etc!
[QUOTE=PeterSideburn;431877]This is an insult to those who live in the South and to people of all races. Esten would you please put your brain before your ideology. Even if you don't' believe the analysis, this chart, at best, shows, an association, but it does not in any way prove racism. Here are just a few of the reasons why. First, there are no methods. Second it seems it would count every tweet, every return tweet again, etc Third it is not population based. If you look at the source website the idiots who did this analysis have a pie chart that includes multiple categories subdividing the same data repeatedly but counting it each time (I.e. The same aged person is counted multiple times because they create categorical variables and then treat them like numbers. The data that makes up a pie chart must =100% The pieces can't overlap each other and add up to greater than 100% They also appear to have not realized Vermont is a state, and DC is not. Furthermore, African Americans likely use the two trigger words more often than do White Americans, and this chart does nothing to differentiate a racial slur from an idiot using trash terms within his or her own race. This is especially important because the South has a far higher relative percentage of African Americans. So what makes you think that all of these tweets were racism? Maybe they were all Democratic strategists tweeting each other and trying to stir up votes by making up yet another race issue.
Now let me go geek for a minute. If you combine the raw data with population statistics, you find that actually, by far, the highest % racist tweet per white person occurred in. Yes you guessed it Washington DC: a 48% Democratic area, right now, which also has a 49% black racial makeup. Do you believe DC is the bastion of racism? The next four highest states are North Dakota, Mississippi, Alabama, and Delaware (which is 52% Democrat) . This racial warfare crap is not useful to anyone or any race so why don't we stop stirring stupid flames based on crap data. BTW even in DC, which was more than 7 times greater than 42 other states, the number was 7.2%MILLION white people, or 0.000000072 of the tweets as a ratio. I really don't think you can say that something that occurred at a lower incidence than lightning strikes constitutes racism. All the data used for this analysis was taken from 2010 census data available at the US. Gov, Rasmussen, Gallop, Pugh, and CDC sites.
Pete.[/QUOTE]
Obama's team came up with sequestration but now it's a baby no one wants to claim. While it was Obama's idea there is plenty of blame to go around for both parties who voted for it in the 2011 debt ceiling vote.
That said, don't you find it a little strange the Obama administration's way of dealing with the cuts is to penalize government employees who are working and paying taxes with layoffs and reduced pay and curtailing services to the public which paid the taxes with threats of longer lines at TSA check points, slower Customs inspections, fewer air controllers, closing parks ect. Ect. To punish the public they should be serving but not a word about cutting their cherished entitlements?
If Obama deems it necessary to delete federal workers, I suggest he abolish the Department of Energy (a hold over from Carter) and eliminate most of the EPA. Those are folks who could go! How about we cut the White House staff, Congressional staff, make everyone fly commerical coach when they travel, no more private jets from the Air Force, no more franking privilidges from the government (cut down on all that pesky mail) and printing all our forms in only one language - ENGLISH!
Yea, Obama seems to be saying "let's screw the people who work and pay taxes but continue to coddle the totally unproductive with food stamps, welfare, ect. Obama seems to be saying "FU*K the productive people" and UP with the unproductive!
Go figure. OK Esten, WT69 lets hear all about the helping out the unfortunate.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;431883]Obama's team came up with sequestration but now it's a baby no one wants to claim. While it was Obama's idea there is plenty of blame to go around for both parties who voted for it in the 2011 debt ceiling vote.
That said, don't you find it a little strange the Obama administration's way of dealing with the cuts is to penalize government employees who are working and paying taxes with layoffs and reduced pay and curtailing services to the public which paid the taxes with threats of longer lines at TSA check points, slower Customs inspections, fewer air controllers, closing parks ect. Ect. To punish the public they should be serving but not a word about cutting their cherished entitlements?[/QUOTE]They just talk about it. It will never happen. Sequestration doesn't involve any real cuts. They only reduce the rate of growth.
The "sky is falling" tripe is complete BS.
For example, Peneta stated that the DOD might have to lay off 800 K civilian employees. Gee, as of May 2012, the Pentagon estimated that they had 801,000 total civilian employees. How did they decide on which 1,000 get to stay?
Only about 50% of the sequestration is to be implemented in FY2014 and only about half is to come out of defense. Therefore, there would be a max of $20 B to come out of the DOD. If they fired 800 k employees, making an average of $25 k / year it would hit all $20 B of DOD's sequestration. So, if they do that, I guess the military won't have to make any more cuts for the first year.
No one in the government will lose their jobs (unless they are conservatives) No one is being fired from DOD. The truth is that if the DOD does anything, it will furlough some civilian employees. However, the furloughed people get back pay when they are reinstated. Therefore, it is impossible for Peneta's plan to reduce spending by any amount.
In the private sector, all of this BS is known as lying and fraud.
[QUOTE==]Yea, Obama seems to be saying "let's screw the people who work and pay taxes but continue to coddle the totally unproductive with food stamps, welfare, ect. Obama seems to be saying "FU*K the productive people" and UP with the unproductive![/QUOTE]That is because the only people that can oppose their power are people who have their own means. If you eliminate all means that are independent of the government you eliminate all but the most ardent opposition.
[QUOTE==]Go figure. OK Esten, WT69 lets hear all about the helping out the unfortunate.[/QUOTE]It helps the unfortunate by making all of us equal in our mud huts.
[QUOTE=WildWalleye;431884]It helps the unfortunate by making all of us equal in our mud huts.[/QUOTE]The only way we can all be equal is if we're all equally poor.
WW, while the "cuts" maybe only reductions in growth you can bet your bottom dollar Obama and friends will make cuts that will cause the most pain for the working folks then try to blame everything on those mean old Republicians.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;431914]WW, while the "cuts" maybe only reductions in growth you can bet your bottom dollar Obama and friends will make cuts that will cause the most pain for the working folks then try to blame everything on those mean old Republicians.[/QUOTE]You should have seen the look on virtually all of my employees faces after their first paycheck in January. All my support staff (democrats) could not believe the shrinkage in their take home pay as it was raided by Obamanation and his liberal buddies like Esten, GH, WT69, etc. No more payroll tax holiday, obamacare surcharge, etc. Etc. "But we are the middle class they whined and the Savior said they would be protected! Call Obamanation and your liberal representatives I calmly explained as I clearly outlined what had happened to their paychecks. Boo hoo, privately I could not help but chuckle as I watched their disbelief in the outcome of their political decision! Proactively, I told them that they had better save their pennies this year preparing for the health exchanges coming on line in 2014. I showed them our companies healthcare bill that had increased 27% in 2013 over 2012 and explained that this is why their employee contribution had now increased from 10 to 30% of the cost (depending on their age) to now 50% in 2013 (the max allowed by united and kaiser for enrollment) Boo hoo, they said "the savior told them that obomocare would have no impact on their current plans (I believe that was also one of dickheads last orations on the subject). LMAO, of course mandating that private insurance companies cover things that were not covered before was supposed to be free! Obamanation told them so. Just wait till 2014 when the exchanges come out as bloated expensive costly programs and the private insurance companies increase their rates to be just slightly less expensive! Its called competition don't ya know. I expect another north of 20% increase next year when the exchanges come on line.
As I said all last year on this thread to the true believers such as Esten (the others like GH, WT69 and Snakeboy and his ilk are just retards howling at the moon) BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR AS YOU JUST MIGHT GET IT.
As my brother once said, "life can be hard but it is especially hard when you are stupid" Monger on fellas. Toymann.
P.S. I guess we will call tonight's GH stripper party the Obomanation Party. So much was promised, he berated those that came before him, but in the end, nothing was actually delivered! IALOTFLMAO! Monger on Rockstar.
Maybe I don't know what I am talking. But I thought the payroll tax holiday was to help working people weather the recession and to stimulate the economy. Of course, people got used to eating all the candy they want and now it is no longer there, they have to resort to sucking on their thumbs.
But wasn't this provision demanded by the Republicans or at least, did not oppose it's demise? Fiscal discipline is badly needed in American households. So why so much nailing on the cross?
You Cheap SOB.
[QUOTE=Toymann;431920]You should have seen the look on virtually all of my employees faces after their first paycheck in January. All my support staff (democrats) could not believe the shrinkage in their take home pay as it was raided by Obamanation and his liberal buddies like Esten, GH, WT69, etc. No more payroll tax holiday, obamacare surcharge, etc. Etc. "But we are the middle class they whined and the Savior said they would be protected! Call Obamanation and your liberal representatives I calmly explained as I clearly outlined what had happened to their paychecks. Boo hoo, privately I could not help but chuckle as I watched their disbelief in the outcome of their political decision! Proactively, I told them that they had better save their pennies this year preparing for the health exchanges coming on line in 2014. I showed them our companies healthcare bill that had increased 27% in 2013 over 2012 and explained that this is why their employee contribution had now increased from 10 to 30% of the cost (depending on their age) to now 50% in 2013 (the max allowed by united and kaiser for enrollment) Boo hoo, they said "the savior told them that obomocare would have no impact on their current plans (I believe that was also one of dickheads last orations on the subject). LMAO, of course mandating that private insurance companies cover things that were not covered before was supposed to be free! Obamanation told them so. Just wait till 2014 when the exchanges come out as bloated expensive costly programs and the private insurance companies increase their rates to be just slightly less expensive! Its called competition don't ya know. I expect another north of 20% increase next year when the exchanges come on line.
As I said all last year on this thread to the true believers such as Esten (the others like GH, WT69 and Snakeboy and his ilk are just retards howling at the moon) BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR AS YOU JUST MIGHT GET IT.
As my brother once said, "life can be hard but it is especially hard when you are stupid" Monger on fellas. Toymann.
P.S. I guess we will call tonight's GH stripper party the Obomanation Party. So much was promised, he berated those that came before him, but in the end, nothing was actually delivered! IALOTFLMAO! Monger on Rockstar.[/QUOTE]
Do YOU Mean the do nothing Congress?
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;431914]WW, while the "cuts" maybe only reductions in growth you can bet your bottom dollar Obama and friends will make cuts that will cause the most pain for the working folks then try to blame everything on those mean old Republicians.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;431925]Maybe I don't know what I am talking. But I thought the payroll tax holiday was to help working people weather the recession and to stimulate the economy. Of course, people got used to eating all the candy they want and now it is no longer there, they have to resort to sucking on their thumbs.
But wasn't this provision demanded by the Republicans or at least, did not oppose it's demise? Fiscal discipline is badly needed in American households. So why so much nailing on the cross?[/QUOTE]
You are wandering in the wilderness Black Shirt. Best not to offer facts, creative insights or, God forbid, reasoned argument. Get thyself to a monastery, or a Wat !;)
WT, the House has passed many bills which Reid declared dead upon arrival in the Senate. Who has done nothing here?
As I recall the Democrats insisted on raising taxes and the "holiday" was just one that was included. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't it take a MAJORITY in both the House and Senate to pass the bill? Since the Democrats control the Senate are they not just as responsible as the Republicans in the House?
Now my liberal friends, tell me again how reducing tax payments to Social Security was going to help a financially failing program stay afloat? Show me the wonderful affects of lifiting the economy and helping the Middle Class this little holiday had!
Esten, you're a fine one to talk about American households getting their financial affairs in order. American households did not borrow $16+ trillion dollars – Washington did. Obama and the Democrats have added $5+ Trillion to the debt in 4 years. As I see it, Washington needs to get it's Fiscal house in order FIRST.
Toyman, I experienced a similar increase in healthcare costs but I did not hear any gasps from my employees. Being an accounting and management consulting firm they knew what was coming and the three Democrats I employ are seeing the light and have move to independents. 2014 is going to be UGLY when people wake up to all the new costs and new bloated insurance exchanges for all the new FREE services.
[QUOTE=PeterSideburn;431877]This is an insult to those who live in the South and to people of all races. Esten would you please put your brain before your ideology. Even if you don't' believe the analysis, this chart, at best, shows, an association, but it does not in any way prove racism. Here are just a few of the reasons why. [/QUOTE]
Good reasons, but the twitter article is not being presented as "proof". It is anecdotal, not evidential. Of course the article by itself doesn't "prove" anything. But, it is consistent with the considerable amount of information that already exists about racism in the South. I thought it was pretty interesting that it matched up so well.
This reminds me of when Republicans refer to liberals as lazy freeloaders, who just want free stuff. I wonder what is more common in the US: Racist Republicans or Lazy Liberals ?
[QUOTE=Toymann;431920]BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR AS YOU JUST MIGHT GET IT.[/QUOTE]
Amen !
Tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. Where did they get us ? A major contributor to record deficits. Less regulation ? A major contributor to the financial meltdown and great recession. Ideological rigidity ? The thwarting of a grand bargain in the 2011 debt ceiling talks, missing the opportunity for greater deficit reduction, and triggering a credit downgrade.
Now looming spending cuts ? Time will tell.
It's funny to hear Republicans try to exploit the payroll tax holiday as an "I told you so" moment. It was in fact an idea that had bipartisan support. Like the Stimulus, it was a temporary measure to stimulate economic activity. As they say, "put more money back in people's pockets". It served it's purpose, and it was time to end it. I love the stories Republicans pass on of Democrats who were surprised and upset by their lower paychecks. These are isolated and anecdotal. I'm perfectly fine with it, and in fact I still have a net take-home increase because I got a good raise this year. Most people upset with the expiration are likely to be happy that SS and Medicare will be strengthened as a result. And BTW, I don't have any "Obamacare surcharge" either. My health insurance rate increases haven't been significantly more than in past years.
You're going to hear a lot of hot air and negativity from Republicans, as they vent from their election losses, and stubbornly cling to their delusions that things are really bad and it's all Obama's fault. Meanwhile, take note that business owners on this board are still in business and apparently doing well, as judged from their ongoing, multiple trips to Argentina.
[QUOTE=Esten;431962]I wonder what is more common in the US: Racist Republicans or Lazy Liberals ?[/QUOTE]Lazy Liberals are more common. Contrary to the belief of most Democrats, not voting for Obama does not mean a person is a racist.
[QUOTE=Esten;431967]And BTW, I don't have any "Obamacare surcharge" either. My health insurance rate increases haven't been significantly more than in past years.
Meanwhile, take note that business owners on this board are still in business and apparently doing well, as judged from their ongoing, multiple trips to Argentina.[/QUOTE]
Just wait. Much of Obamacare hasn't taken effect yet. Higher taxes only started on January 1.
This country has the highest healthcare costs as a % of GDP in the world, by far. The marginal income tax rate on an unincorporated, successful business in California is now 56.7%. The future is bleak.
This Photo is Perfect for Some Of You.
Check Again on California.
More like 80% Growth.
You Guys still have your finger Up YOUR, Guess What!!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;432118]Lazy Liberals are more common. Contrary to the belief of most Democrats, not voting for Obama does not mean a person is a racist.
Just wait. Much of Obamacare hasn't taken effect yet. Higher taxes only started on January 1.
This country has the highest healthcare costs as a % of GDP in the world, by far. The marginal income tax rate on an unincorporated, successful business in California is now 56.7%. The future is bleak.[/QUOTE]
It Hard to Believe that the Republican's Voted to Get Rid Of Slavery and The Democrats were Against it...
Oh How The Times Have Changed...
Now A Black President, and the republicans say Screw What The People Want, Let the Needy Starve.
What ever Happen to Send us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses?
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;431838]The Thread says American Politics during the Obama Presidency.
It started under Lincoln and ended under Obama.
I hope you saw the latest movie about Lincoln?
Need I say more?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;432120]This Photo is Perfect for Some Of You.
Check Again on California.
More like 80% Growth.
You Guys still have your finger Up YOUR, Guess What!![/QUOTE]Hey WT,
Your cartoon is completely erroneous.
I know this will come a a surprise to you, but there are lots of people in the country who do not want ObamaCare.
This is from an ABC News article lauding that the percentage of American citizens who are against ObamaCare has dropped to only ONE THIRD of everyone in the country:
"But only 33 percent of Americans now want to see the law repealed. Romney had pledged to repeal the law and replace it with new policy. 43 percent of Americans view the law favorably and 39 percent view it unfavorably, according to the poll.
[URL]http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/poll-fewer-support-obamacare-repeal/[/URL]
Now let me do the math: 300 million citizens in the USA means that approximately 120 million view ObamaCare unfavorabily, and a 100 million of them want to see it repealed.
That hardly sounds like the two men on a fragment of an island holding out against ObamaCare as your cartoon depicts.
Of course I understand: Facts aren't important to liberals, only emotions are important.
Thanks,
Jackson.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;432120]This Photo is Perfect for Some Of You.
Check Again on California.
More like 80% Growth.
You Guys still have your finger Up YOUR, Guess What!![/QUOTE]What do you mean WT69? Over 40% in California voted against Obamanation in 2012 elections.
[URL]http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/[/URL]President /2012/ CA.
This was a high water mark since the Reagan years. I know you find yourself, an aging hippy, totally disconnected with reality but it really is time to sober up! Your state is going bankrupt! Big time. Your agenda in California has totally failed. As a result of idiots like YOU I now hire employees at 30 to 40% of what I paid 5 years ago! Viva the free market. Small business will adapt. You might be one of the stupidest folks I have ever met. How did you go through life so totally disconnected from reality.
Keep howling at the moon. Happy mongering all. Toymann.
P.S. Please stop talking about privados when you haven't been to Argentina in (how long? Like any buddy cares?
Isn't it a B I T C H, How democracy works? Where the Majority Rules.
California is growing.
[URL]http://goldenstateoutlook.wordpress.com/[/URL]
Now that you cut your employees wages, I guess they will not be able to go to Argentina to site see or hunt like you do?
2011 was the last time I was there. Send me the money.
It is going to be really hard to get there if the Republicans get their way and cut my Earned Social Security; it's not an entitlement like the Republicans say it is.
[QUOTE=Toymann;432124]What do you mean WT69? Over 40% in California voted against Obamanation in 2012 elections.
[URL]http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/[/URL]President /2012/ CA.
This was a high water mark since the Reagan years. I know you find yourself, an aging hippy, totally disconnected with reality but it really is time to sober up! Your state is going bankrupt! Big time. Your agenda in California has totally failed. As a result of idiots like YOU I now hire employees at 30 to 40% of what I paid 5 years ago! Viva the free market. Small business will adapt. You might be one of the stupidest folks I have ever met. How did you go through life so totally disconnected from reality.
Keep howling at the moon. Happy mongering all. Toymann.
P.S. Please stop talking about privados when you haven't been to Argentina in (how long? Like any buddy cares?[/QUOTE]
It sure is, I don't know way any rational person would want to live in one. We have what is left of a representative republic. Democracy is a nice word for mob rule.
Oh and about Social Security, I was forced into the system about 1941 and the looters have been sucking from me ever since. Last year I was hard pressed to make my annual trip to Argentina, so far this year the issue is in doubt.
Don.
[QUOTE=Toymann;432124]Your state is going bankrupt! Big time. Your agenda in California has totally failed.[/QUOTE]The last thing I want to do is get into a political discussion with you. Or with anyone discussing politics (instead of mongering / eating / drinking); it's totally nauseating to me. And since you know me, you know I'm not a democrat. But your statement about California is inaccurate.
During the Schwarzenegger administration, our deficit ballooned up to $25 billion. Though, thanks to Grey Davis and an incompetent state legislature, he didn't have a whole lot to work with.
However, we finally have a governor in office who's willing to roll up his sleeves and do some heavy lifting; work that's making him very unpopular with his democratic colleagues in Sacramento. But it is turning the state around. For the fiscal year 2012, Brown got the deficit down to $9 Billion. And for this year's budget, according to the CA State Legislative Analyst's Office, California will be operating at a deficit of only $1.9 billion with an expected operating SURPLUS of $1 billion by 2014. How? A combination of voter approved sales and income tax increases AND budget cuts. Yes, budget cuts. Massive budget cuts. In California. Yep, he found a way to get lawmakers to the table and fucking compromise. That was one of the things I admired about Clinton. He always found a way to reach across the table and make things happen, even when those same hypocritical cocksuckers were trying to impeach him.
You and I share a common disdain for the Peoples Republic of Berkeley and the world hippy HQ of Santa Cruz. But California is on the road to prosperity again, thanks in large part to governor Moonbeam (you remember that nickname, right? He was also banging Linda Ronstadt back when she was hot). And by the way, I am not at all questioning your clearly superior political knowledge, business acumen or overall braininess. I actually enjoyed meeting you last month; you're really NOT an asshole after all...at least not to me :-) But you're just wrong about California, that's all.
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Now that you cut your employees wages, I guess they will not be able to go to Argentina to site see or hunt like you do?
.[/QUOTE]You need to read my posts more carefully. No employee has had their pay cut WT69. As I have mentioned before their take home pay has shrunk due to increased taxes in 2013, plus increased employee contribution for those electing healthcare.
Due to north of 20% unemployment in the bankrupt state of California the amount I have to pay for qualified medical billing / front office help has dropped from 19-20 $/ hour five years ago to 14-15 $/ hour in 2013. It's called "market conditions" dude. I recently put an ad in Craigslist looking for a couple of front office people. Got over 200 resumes in just a few hours. Ended up with two excellent candidates, hired one for 15 $/ hour and the other for 12 $/ hour. As your savior Obomanation over regulates and taxes my small business YOU would suggest I pay new employees more than market? Are you nuts? LMAO!
In this economy many folks are just happy to have a job. Your general lack of understanding of small business is very similar to your savior. Both of you are clueless. If Obomanation continues harassing my business he will force me to move all my support staff to part time job shares thus saving me the cost of benefits, such as holiday pay, sick pay, and of course healthcare. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction buddy. But here is some news you will be happy to hear. Just finished my 2012 taxes and my rate rose to 35% federally last year, but I was able (through payroll contributions versus k1 profit distributions) to keep my California taxable income under 250 k, so that son of a ***** California governor actually got less than he did the year before.
I would never have done this in the past, but after he passed the retroactive Robinhood state tax for 2012, I had just enough time to move more of my distributions through my payroll system functionally reducing my k1 California taxable income. I was most likely not the only one to make this move thus minimizing their California state tax exposure (you must reside outside of california of course). Just one more example of how when greedy democrats try to steal hard earned profits from those that rightfully made these funds, that many times they end up with less than they would have if they had just left small business alone! But I am very pleased that our president now feels that I have paid my fair share! LMAO. Happy mongering all. Toymann.
[QUOTE=Chezz;432131]The last thing I want to do is get into a political discussion with you. Or with anyone discussing politics (instead of mongering / eating / drinking); it's totally nauseating to me. And since you know me, you know I'm not a democrat. But your statement about California is inaccurate.
During the Schwarzenegger, our deficit ballooned up to $25 billion. Though, thanks to Grey Davis and an incompetent state legislature, he didn't have a whole lot to work with.
However, we finally have a governor in office who's willing to roll up his sleeves and do some heavy lifting; work that's making him very unpopular with his democratic colleagues in Sacramento. But it is turning the state around. For the fiscal year 2012, Brown got the deficit down to $9 Billion. And for this year's budget, according to the CA State Legislative Analyst's Office, California will be operating at a deficit of only $1.9 billion with an expected operating SURPLUS of $1 billion by 2014. How? A combination of voter approved sales and income tax increases AND budget cuts. Yes, budget cuts. Massive budget cuts. In California. Yep, he found a way to get lawmakers to the table and fucking compromise. That was one of the things I admired about Clinton. He always found a way to reach across the table and make things happen, even when those same hypocritical cocksuckers were trying to impeach him.
You and I share a common disdain for the Peoples Republic of Berkeley and the world hippy HQ of Santa Cruz. But California is on the road to prosperity again, thanks in large part to governor Moonbeam (you remember that nickname, right? He was also banging Linda Ronstadt back when she was hot). And by the way, I am not at all questioning your clearly superior political knowledge, business acumen or overall braininess. I actually enjoyed meeting you last month; you're really NOT an asshole after all...at least not to me :-) But you're just wrong about California, that's all.[/QUOTE]I actually hope you are correct my brother. My only issue with your analysis, is that as long as the unemployed rate remains so very high, it will be very difficult for California to bounce back. Are they still going forward with that crazy train? We will see if what the Governor is projecting actually comes to fruition. I hope so, but I see no end to high unemployment in California in the near future. Businesses continue to leave California by the droves to republican states like Texas and South Carolina. California needs to become more business friendly or a recovery is just not posible IMHO. Time will tell. I will be coming to northern cal in early April. Maybe we can get together for dinner if you are still Around. Monger on buddy. Toymann.
Taxes? We Don't Need No Stinking Taxes!
I thoroughly enjoyed NOT paying taxes for many, many years in the USAA. Seems that most of my income producing "Hobbies" were tax free, hell I don't know; but if they asked I would have gladly paid my taxes.
Actually, I did pay taxes for about 15 years. No choice. Maybe filed every 7 years as a joke. Can I travel freely? Not sure, maybe the Tax Man is waiting for me at the airport!
TM, can't you move your manufacturing facilities to Mexico and farm out your front office people to India?
Save a bunch of cash for the Chicas!
Have Fun,
TL.
P.S. I hate March 1st. It's Justin Bieber's birthday! What a no talent Pussy! To think he could have been born on my Birthday!
I know it was taxes, just getting your goat up.
[QUOTE=Toymann;432132]You need to read my posts more carefully. No employee has had their pay cut WT69. As I have mentioned before their take home pay has shrunk due to increased taxes in 2013, plus increased employee contribution for those electing healthcare.
Due to north of 20% unemployment in the bankrupt state of California the amount I have to pay for qualified medical billing / front office help has dropped from 19-20 $/ hour five years ago to 14-15 $/ hour in 2013. It's called "market conditions" dude. I recently put an ad in Craigslist looking for a couple of front office people. Got over 200 resumes in just a few hours. Ended up with two excellent candidates, hired one for 15 $/ hour and the other for 12 $/ hour. As your savior Obomanation over regulates and taxes my small business YOU would suggest I pay new employees more than market? Are you nuts? LMAO!
In this economy many folks are just happy to have a job. Your general lack of understanding of small business is very similar to your savior. Both of you are clueless. If Obomanation continues harassing my business he will force me to move all my support staff to part time job shares thus saving me the cost of benefits, such as holiday pay, sick pay, and of course healthcare. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction buddy. But here is some news you will be happy to hear. Just finished my 2012 taxes and my rate rose to 35% federally last year, but I was able (through payroll contributions versus k1 profit distributions) to keep my California taxable income under 250 k, so that son of a ***** California governor actually got less than he did the year before.
I would never have done this in the past, but after he passed the retroactive Robinhood state tax for 2012, I had just enough time to move more of my distributions through my payroll system functionally reducing my k1 California taxable income. I was most likely not the only one to make this move thus minimizing their California state tax exposure (you must reside outside of california of course). Just one more example of how when greedy democrats try to steal hard earned profits from those that rightfully made these funds, that many times they end up with less than they would have if they had just left small business alone! But I am very pleased that our president now feels that I have paid my fair share! LMAO. Happy mongering all. Toymann.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Toymann;432133]I actually hope you are correct my brother. My only issue with your analysis, is that as long as the unemployed rate remains so very high, it will be very difficult for California to bounce back. Are they still going forward with that crazy train? We will see if what the Governor is projecting actually comes to fruition. I hope so, but I see no end to high unemployment in California in the near future. Businesses continue to leave California by the droves to republican states like Texas and South Carolina. California needs to become more business friendly or a recovery is just not posible IMHO. Time will tell. I will be coming to northern cal in early April. Maybe we can get together for dinner if you are still Around. Monger on buddy. Toymann.[/QUOTE]I'm glad we can have a civil conversation regarding this. But frankly speaking, while I'm not bullish on Obama's fiscal policies, California, on the other-hand is a different matter. And regarding their unemployment rate, it's not 20%, but 9.8% as of November, and currently going down at a rather steep rate. However, California still lags behind the US as a whole and specifically NY and Texas by a long margin. Fucking Texas is at 6.6% Those shit-kicking bastards are working their asses off. California, while not the most business-friendly environment (don't get me started on the restrictions and mind-boggling laws regulating milk production, as an example), most everybody I talk to sees it in the beginning of a fairly nice bull run. I know you don't see it, but it is happening.
You won't find me in California...not for a long time. We'll talk offline about that...I'd rather keep my 20 on the DL. Take care.
What disappoints me about California is the law LA County recently passed... MANDATING condoms in porn. What the @$#% !!!
Now, the government is not really to blame here. It's the people who voted for Measure B, the 'Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act'. It was on the ballot in November. How could this happen in California? I always thought they were ahead of the curve in personal freedoms. Some "Aids Healthcare Foundation" lobbied for it, and I'm guessing the porn industry did not counter-lobby aggressively enough.
I read there are efforts to expand the law beyond LA County. It is truly ridiculous. The industry already has strong protections in place. And nobody is forcing anybody to be in porn. Condoms just aren't hot, and go against the grain of what porn is about. I hope the industry wins it's legal challenge, and if not, moves production elsewhere.
As if Sex Prison wasn't bad enough. Men need a champion in this country !
Its the age of Social Engineering. People who know more about what is good for you and me than you and I do. Bloomberg in NYC could be the most obvious prime example, but California maybe has more of a history of this behavior. Not to say that some of the legislation in NYC won't be helpful, but again, its the slippery slope that worries me. Once this kind of movement gains speed its hard to slow it down. I mean come on, they're only trying to "help".
BTW, if you want to take a look see into social engineering and govt. intrusiveness at its worst, then do some research into this current phenomenon in the UK. Very scary stuff indeed. Orwell knew his countrymen well.
But yeah, the condom thing is scary because-the porn industry now, you and me down the road. If you haven't purchased your required allotment of condoms for the month, then you get an inquiring email or knock on the door. Possibly you'll have your drivers license suspended if you're not using condoms. Sounds ludicrous, but many things would have sounded ludicrous 100 years ago that are reality now.
You never know what the assholes will come up with. But remember, its for your own good.
[QUOTE=Esten;432141]What disappoints me about California is the law LA County recently passed... MANDATING condoms in porn. What the @$#% !!!
Now, the government is not really to blame here. It's the people who voted for Measure B, the 'Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act'. It was on the ballot in November. How could this happen in California? I always thought they were ahead of the curve in personal freedoms. Some "Aids Healthcare Foundation" lobbied for it, and I'm guessing the porn industry did not counter-lobby aggressively enough.
I read there are efforts to expand the law beyond LA County. It is truly ridiculous. The industry already has strong protections in place. And nobody is forcing anybody to be in porn. Condoms just aren't hot, and go against the grain of what porn is about. I hope the industry wins it's legal challenge, and if not, moves production elsewhere.
As if Sex Prison wasn't bad enough. Men need a champion in this country ![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Esten;432141]What disappoints me about California is the law LA County recently passed... MANDATING condoms in porn. What the @$#% !!!
Now, the government is not really to blame here. It's the people who voted for Measure B, the 'Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act'. It was on the ballot in November. How could this happen in California? I always thought they were ahead of the curve in personal freedoms. Some "Aids Healthcare Foundation" lobbied for it, and I'm guessing the porn industry did not counter-lobby aggressively enough.
I read there are efforts to expand the law beyond LA County. It is truly ridiculous. The industry already has strong protections in place. And nobody is forcing anybody to be in porn. Condoms just aren't hot, and go against the grain of what porn is about. I hope the industry wins it's legal challenge, and if not, moves production elsewhere.
As if Sex Prison wasn't bad enough. Men need a champion in this country ![/QUOTE]The truth is, the porn industry just will move. Go some where else. So who looses then?
[QUOTE=Gandolf50;432145]The truth is, the porn industry just will move. Go some where else. So who looses then?[/QUOTE]Perhaps that's why the initiative was introduced in the first place. Think about it. Perhaps there are lots of people living in LA who do not like that it's the center of the porn industry and this is their way of shutting it down.