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Getting away from flogging for a minute.
I might get away for Halloween weekend for a nice quick jaunt to my favorite city South of the Border. Any recollections by you fellows of Halloween parties? Or haven't the Portenos discovered the joys of dressing up as Count Dracula yet?
Uncle Otto
Exon Reporting: Price
The end of this past July was my last day of a two week stay in Buenos Aires.
I was sound a sleep with " Wood " in my hotel room in the Las De Americas Hotel just up the street from the Dazzler on Libertad, it was 9:00 am in the morning.
There was a knock on the door I got up and opened the door and there stood Maria Paula looking like a million bucks in cash. She immediately started on me with a blow job, (BBBJ Of Course) and we continued to fuck for about the next two hours. After I shot my last load of the trip, (all over her belly i might add ), it was time to clean up take showers, pack for the trip home too sex prison and settle up with Maria Paula.
In the Hotel saftey deposit box I had just $300 hundred dollars in US cash and about $175 Argentine peso's in my pocket. Maria Paula and I have never decussed money or price Ive alway's just given her that was fair plus maybe a little extra.
This morning I gave her a $100 in US cash, stateing " this is for Fideil Castro" as she was leaving for Cuba the next day for personal reasons and $175 peso's stating " This is for Maria Paula mi Amor" she burst out lafying.
As I checked out of the Hotel I cashed the second US hundred dollar bill for peso's and I took Maria Paula to El Marisol for lunch. Leaving me with just a hundred dollar bill in US cash for the long trip home.
After lunch Maria and I window shopped checked the internet and our e-mail before I finally got Anna, ( our offical WSG driver on the phone) for transportation to the airport. Anna was at the Manson as she had just picked up Captain Dave coming in from the USA. Great as I wanted to say good by to Jackson and hello to the "Captain" before leaving and this was a great chance for Maria to see the Manson. So we took a cab out to the Manson.
We hung around for a couple hours and then it was time to head for the airport for if I checked in early I had a good shot at a first class up grade, ( I ended up with business class ), and I wanted to buy smokes to take home with me because there so much cheaper in B.A.
When we got to the airport I said I'd buy us all dinner. There's a pretty good restraunt in the airport that most Mongers don't know about but Maria Paula sure did and she lead us all in their.
After dinner and in paying the bill I found I had about 125 Peso's left of the hunderd dollar bill I had cashed earlier in the morning at the Hotel. I gave Anna $65 peso's, her regular fee of $45 plus a $20 peso tip for driving Maria Paula home. The other $60 peso's I gave to Maria in front of Anna stateing "por mi Amor".
So in essance I had given Maria Paula the $100 US, say about $300 peso's plus $175 pesos, plus another $60 peso's for a total of about $535 peso's or $178 US dollars for over 12 hours of her company. That less than $15 US dollars per hour for the company of someone I really do love and enjoy being with. ( I have two or three other girls in B.A. I feal the same way about ).
Did I over pay, maybe from some Mongers perspective, but not from mine. I had the companionship of someone I truly enjoy being with, we both had fun being with one another and she needs the money a hell of a lot more I do. Plus I had come to Buenos Aires to have fun and it costs money to have fun. So I spend my money accordingly, it was allocated to have fun with before I left the USA.
So my point being is that all of us come to Buenos Aires to have fun. If you see a girl in Black or Madaho's that costs $300 ar. dollars pay it as you may never have another chance at a women that has caught your eye like that. And in the same breath I'll state "it doesn't take any brains to spend money", and as Jackson has always stated price and service have nothing to do with each other.
Mongering Tips From Exon.
Amen Exon. It's all about having fun. People need to take money out of the equation sometimes. Life is too damn short guys. I have so many examples like Exon gave from all over the world. The memories I have made are truly priceless. Do you think when you are in the hospital, or sitting on your rocking chair when you're an old man you are going to be worried about that extra few bucks you spent. I doubt it. I don't know about you but I'll be thinking about all the great fun I had.
In my old line of work, I came across so many people that had so much money. Many worked all their lives, didn't take time to stop and enjoy life. Over the past 9 years, 3 of them died, believe it or not on their first day of retirement on a beach. Life is short. You can't spend this money when you're dead.
Glad you had fun Exon. That's what this whole thing we're doing is all about.
True, this is a well flogged issue. Somehow, it has a life of its own. This issue will drop soon but it is sure to return as everyone has an opinion on it. It is certainly worth hearing these opinions. I for one, am not tired of reading these; but perhaps we should move on.
I thought it might help if some of you people had the opportunity to show how well you understand the concepts being discussed here.
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Knuckhead 09-03-04
Of particularly excellent value is the fixed price lunch menu, a terrific deal at 36 pesos for two courses or 48 pesos for a 3 course luncheon.
Sterling V and I had lunch there about two weeks ago, taking the two course meal and ordering the desert a-la-carte. All courses were superb, and the attentive waitstaff kept our wine glasses full at all time. We wrapped thing up with espresso and desert, and the total damage was about AR$105. Unbelievable!!
Aragorn 07-08-04
American investment has resurrected this faded beauty with a great new interior and impeccable service.
The good news stops there.
Prices are sky high.
Onion soup 12 pesos. Two lamb chops, little meat and a lot of fat 50 pesos.
Quality is mediocre at best. My companions lomo was flavorless and overcooked.
Dessert menu was uninspired. Wine list had a 200% mark up.
OttoGraham 05-06-04
Excellent service, with a price somewhat below its pricier parrilla neighbor, Cabana Las Lilas (which is excellent too, just not quite as good a value for money).
Grshel1 04-18-04
I had a fantastic meal Sunday afternoon at Lola´s in Recoleta. Many of you think this may be a bit of an expensive place but let me tell you what I got for 32 pesos.
OttoGraham 01-23-04
I had an excellent sushi combination, my companions an excellent rack of lamb and a tenderloin in phyllo dough in a manner reminiscent of Beef Wellington. With 3 or 4 glasses of wine mixed in, the tab came to about 120 pesos for the three of us. We all thought our dishes were excellent.
One Tree Hill 12-21-03
The four of us had full meals - desserts from the menu, a bottle of wine for the chicas and 4 beers for the guys. Total bill was 120 pesos! About $10 USD each. I expected it to be about double that.
Very classy inside, the chicas liked it and the cost was great. I reccommend it. Good value.
AmanteLondres 12-17-03
We had a terriffic meal, excellent service, good size portions and fab. wine and a great place to take a chica. I went with an old GF. The bill came to 160 pesos.Compared to most reports on this site it is expensive but in Europe you'd pay around $us 160.
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Now, suppose there were only 15 restaurants in BA. Suppose there were no menus, and the only way to determine dishes available and prices charged was this forum, or accept what the waiters quoted verbally to you. But you had the ability to negotiate with the waiter.
Now, then suppose that some of the restaurant owners here started to become aware of US-Europe prices, and started teaching the waiters how to charge more to Gringos, because they knew nothing of the true situation in BA.
Now, suppose that the tourists that came started paying US-Europe prices without question when asked, paying excessive and unnecessary cover and service charges, then tipping 50-200% of the excessive price then paid? Many because they were simply too lazy to research the reviews available in the forum, many because "What the hell. I'm on vacation and I might as well spend what I can afford.". And they posted questions like: "I don't know anything but don't want to look at all the posts so can you just tell me which restaurants are the best and cheapest? I eat in New York all the time and will use that experience to guide me."
The tipping is a further example of how escalation works without price lists. I can remember when a good USA tip was 10%, then 15%, 20% and now I am seeing travel guides(always the trend setters) pushing 25% and more.
So, the next time you return the starting asking prices are higher, service charges more excessive, service and food worse? How would you feel about the use of the review information? What types of things would you suggest might be done about it? Swearing you would never answer another stupid question? Swearing you would never introduce another restaurant to the tourists for them to ruin? The creation of menus here perhaps?
A primary difference between this industry and restaurants is that there are no menus. That is why I have always pleaded for postings in more of a menu format, and less attention to self serving descriptions of the WAY IN WHICH YOU ATE THE MEAL(again I would reference Dodger Bulldog's list, and Andres' format). That, gentlemen, is the issue to me, and you will see that all of my postings have been oriented toward these ideas. It is that simple.
So maybe instead of bitching about overspenders, I should post some advice based on my experience on [b]how to get better prices for pussy[/b].
1) Learn to speak some Spanish.
2) Be light hearted and funny, with a good attitude.
3) Negotiate respectfully.
4) Do some repeats with the ones you especially like.
5) Think about the time of night you are in the boliche. You might be able to get a better deal shortly before closing time because a) it's a perishable product and b) she does not have to go back to the boliche so you may get more time for the same money.
6) Always think in terms of pesos. Dollars? What are dollars? I don't have any dollars. We are in Argentina.
7) Carry candy, bombones, alfajores, and similar items.
8) Control your weight, brush your teeth, comb your hair, change your clothes, use deodorant, etc.
9) Don't say you are here on vacation. Say you are working here for an unspecified length of time. This is not a lie. You are working on getting better prices for pussy!
10) See #1.
11) Don't wear expensive jewelry or overly fancy clothes.
12) Tell them the price you are offering is for the first session and you [b]might[/b] be willing to pay [b]slightly[/b] more if and when you repeat with them.
13) Learn to eat pussy effectively.
14) Learn some god damn Spanish already.
15) Buy Dickhead drinks and dinner; this will improve your karma.
Hope that helps.
Prices are going to go up if there are more tourists in Argentina.
Prices are going to stay flat if there in no increase or decrease.
Prices are going to go down if less tourists come to Argentina.
(You can substitute "tourist dollars" for "tourists")
In the words of Forrest Gump, that is all I have to say about that.
Under no circumstance carry around Bon Bon Ice-Creams . I tried it once and by the time I gave them to my chica at Blacks it had already melted in my pocket. I'm not kidding. Don't try carrying ice cream as gift unless you plan on getting rid of it quickly.
I hope this helps.
Starfe
Dickhead,
I couldn't agree with you more. That was the best post I think I ever read from you. Everything you posted I completely agree on (with the exception of dressing nice. I always dress really nice but it doesn't hurt my negotiating skills).
Those things that you mentioned will do more to get the price lower than anything else. Those things will apply no matter whether you are in Black, Hook, or any other club. Again, I totally agree on everything you posted and I think that 100% of the WSG members will be well advised to follow the advice you gave. People would be surprised by how just making a girl smile or laugh will get the price down.
JackDaniels,
Prices ARE going up. I can tell you that many hotels are raising their prices every month. Some are increasing them an alarming 50% from their current rates. It's certainly NOT just from mongers. It's just from the general tourism trends of Argentina. This amazing country is still on sale and will be for some time. Tourism should steadily increase over the next few years.
Good posting Dickhead
I have shorten it to just 4.
1. Learn to speak some Spanish.
2. Pay market fair price
3. Learn to eat pussy effectively
4. Get the phone numbers of the one that really dig you.
X Prize in BA.
Based on everyone’s experience in Black, it seems that it is nearly impossible to get a girl for $200 pesos or less.
Here is my goal for my next BA trip (get a business trip planned).
Get a Black girl for $200 pesos or less with only one cheap drink for at least 2 hours. I will do this 2 nights in a row. It can not be the same girl. I don’t know these girls at all (never meet and talk before). This has to be done in a busy night (not weekend) in the club. If I am successful, I will have to post pictures of these 2 girls. Hopefully, everyone at least is willing to poke them with a stick.
I have been to Madahos. This is very doable in Madahos based on my experience. If $200 is too much money, I am willing to set my goal at $150 pesos.
Who is with me on this?
CaptainNemo,
I've pulled only two girls out of Black for 200 pesos and this was about 2 years ago, when the economy was at it's worst. However, I've seen several of the girls from Black during the day for 200 pesos. That really isn't tough to do at all when they aren't competing to land a rich dude that doesn't care. It's been a while since I pulled out a really hot girl from Madaho for only 150 pesos. I have done it but it has been a while. 200 pesos at Madahos is good enough though. The biggest problem you will have at Black is that many of them would rather make nothing then leave for a preceived price in their mind of what is not enough.
The best way to approach this in Black is to get a good rapport with them. Make them laugh, crack some jokes. The other night when I was there I didn't buy one drink for them but still talked for a while with several of them. I always tell them that I know her time is valuable but I'd really like to spend some time with her. Then I tell her that no one else needs to know what I am paying her. That it's between us. Then I will usually point to the guy that I think none of the girls would want to leave with and usually crack a joke or something saying, "unless you'd rather go home with him". It's not meant as ill will to any dudes....just makes the girl laugh and personalizes all of this stuff. Of course, if you can't speak Spanish you can forget about what I just wrote.
I doubt you can get 2 really hot girls at Black though for 200 pesos. The minimum I've pulled out of there was for 300 pesos for a few hours. Although, when I was there with Starfe in July I think I got his girl down to 250 pesos but I think he gave her at least 300 pesos anyway. What can I say...he is a generous guy.
Just to add one to Dickhead´s excellent list: Offer to shower with her before you do anything. Ok, so you may not get a better price this time, but you´re almost guaranteed to get better service. You´d be surprised how little we know about how much we stink sometimes. Just 2 more cents.
Saint
It is always possible to get a girl(working girl or regular girl) for free. It may not be me. But, I am sure that there are guys doing these girls for free. The challenging part is to get girls when they are working. You have to establish rapport in the first night when money is her mind. If you spend days to charm her, I am sure that it is not difficult.
In addition, doing this two nights in a row on two different girls is very difficult. You may get lucky one night.
Getting laid for free or by beautiful women is not enough anymore. If it is not difficult, I would not call it the X Prize. It should be easier than rocket science.
By the way, I know less than 100 Spanish words.
You are right. Many, many, many of these working girls will spend time with you for free. I've done it many times. It's not that difficult. The tough thing is pulling them out of a club and them not charging that particular night. I've been with hundreds of girls and only done that a few times where they actually put the money back on the table.
These working girls are just girls when it comes down to it. A lot of guys treat these girls like a piece of meat. It's clear that a few guys I have met clearly have an issue with women in general. Once you start treating them like a princess you'll see that it will pay off. I've always done that and it works great. Several of the girls that come over now I met in various clubs and they refuse to take money.
It's great that at least you know a few words. It's probably a few more than most guys coming here. I'd only argue that you will never really have a true interpersonal relationship with someone you can't effectively communicate with. If you are only looking for sex that is one thing and it doesn't matter. If you want more than that you [b]must[/b] be able to communicate with them. If you can't, you will never have a true relationship. I kind of laugh when guys tell me they fell in love with a girl. Then they give lines like, "we love eachother so much...we never fight". Then I find out the girl can't speak English and he can't speak Spanish/Portuguese. You can't fight if you can't effectively communicate. JMHO.