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[QUOTE=Tres3;440970]It looks as if Cristina and her cohorts have given up all hope on the rest of the world and are concentrating on Argentine politics.
[URL]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/argentina-started-totally-rogue-175544375.html[/URL]
Tres3.[/QUOTE]Maybe they are that stupid or are just delaying the payment. With a US gun to the head of each creditor, that scenario isn't going to happen.
[QUOTE=Dccpa;440976] they are that stupid [/QUOTE]That says it ALL!
[QUOTE=Dccpa;440976]Maybe they are that stupid or are just delaying the payment. With a US gun to the head of each creditor, that scenario isn't going to happen.[/QUOTE]13.6 today and rising.
[QUOTE=Gandolf50;440914]The funny thing here is that both Cristina and Nestor started out as "vultures". They would buy overdue mortgages for pennies, evict the people and then resell or rent the properties. They still own (according to their own disclosure they file every year) 28 of these property's. How is this so different from Elliot Singer and friends?[/QUOTE]Irritating, smelly, dirty, noisy, menacing, prone to fly in & swipe, etc. Yes, no difference.
It's not like Paul Singer's hedge fund actually helped Argentina by buying their bonds, and is just trying to get paid back. No, it bought defaulted bonds, dirt cheap. And is now insisting on full payment of the huge profits from those bonds, plus interest, regardless of any consequences.
The collateral damage may now potentially include Citibank, which could lose their Argentina banking license if it complies with the order of US Judge Griesa (whose rulings are helping Singer). Citigroup has appealed Griesa's order, saying he abused his discretion in blocking payments from Argentina.
This is not to mention the negative effect all of this is likely to have on future US-Argentina collaborations and investments, basically driving Argentina to instead make deals with China.
It appears Paul Singer will go to any length to collect his profits, and (in his view) damned be any adverse consequence for the people of Argentina, the other bondholders, the banks, and other US investors.
More on Argentina's debt debacle.
[URL]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/holdout-creditor-calls-u-court-hold-argentina-contempt-131343187--sector.html[/URL]
Tres3.
[QUOTE=Esten;440981]It's not like Paul Singer's hedge fund actually helped Argentina by buying their bonds, and is just trying to get paid back. No, it bought defaulted bonds, dirt cheap. And is now insisting on full payment of the huge profits from those bonds, plus interest, regardless of any consequences.
The collateral damage may now potentially include Citibank, which could lose their Argentina banking license if it complies with the order of US Judge Griesa (whose rulings are helping Singer). Citigroup has appealed Griesa's order, saying he abused his discretion in blocking payments from Argentina.
This is not to mention the negative effect all of this is likely to have on future US-Argentina collaborations and investments, basically driving Argentina to instead make deals with China.
It appears Paul Singer will go to any length to collect his profits, and (in his view) damned be any adverse consequence for the people of Argentina, the other bondholders, the banks, and other US investors.[/QUOTE]While what you say is true, Argentina in the Form of its wondrous president Cristina feels that they are not obligated to pay ANYONE what they are really owed. But at the same time they want to borrow more money. Griesa and I assume the New York legal system is sick and tired of Argentina's shenanigans and would like nothing more then to see it all go away. No one is interested in cutting them any slack since their only interest is to rob and defraud. Singers group took a chance. One that might never pay off. Cristina is only making interest payments with huge sums that are due in the future when she will not be in the hot seat. And as I have pointed out before Cristina and Singer are both Vultures, but Singer has his house in order. Cristinas house is a disaster!
[QUOTE=Esten;440981]It's not like Paul Singer's hedge fund actually helped Argentina by buying their bonds, and is just trying to get paid back. No, it bought defaulted bonds, dirt cheap. And is now insisting on full payment of the huge profits from those bonds, plus interest, regardless of any consequences.
The collateral damage may now potentially include Citibank, which could lose their Argentina banking license if it complies with the order of US Judge Griesa (whose rulings are helping Singer). Citigroup has appealed Griesa's order, saying he abused his discretion in blocking payments from Argentina.
This is not to mention the negative effect all of this is likely to have on future US-Argentina collaborations and investments, basically driving Argentina to instead make deals with China.
It appears Paul Singer will go to any length to collect his profits, and (in his view) damned be any adverse consequence for the people of Argentina, the other bondholders, the banks, and other US investors.[/QUOTE]Like to spin things and ignore the truth Esten?
An investor bought bonds at a discount and the bond issuer has the financial ability to pay the bonds in full. Since the bond issuer has the financial ability to pay the bonds in full, the investor wants to be paid in full. What a crazy concept.
Everyone has stated that Argentina can pay Singer in full without it affecting the country's agreement with the other bond holders. Argentina has the financial ability to easily pay Singer.
If any action is taken against Citibank, it will be appealed and reversed with the next administration.
Do you really believe Argentina is going to do more business with China than it already would do? China is pushing hard to do deals in Latin America and they are having success. That success will continue regardless of these bonds or anything else the US does or doesn't do.
"This is not to mention the negative effect all of this is likely to have on future US-Argentina collaborations and investments, basically driving Argentina to instead make deals with China. ".
What deals / agreements with USA? Russia, Iran, China, Venezuala are the preferred partners for this bunch of thieves.
The 2001 default was the seventh (7th) time Argentina has defaulted in the last 100 years. Those are more defaults than any other country now in existence. I will not argue the relative stupidity of international lenders who keep lending to Argentina. After all, Argentina did not steal from a house with the front door locked. They stole from a house with the front door wide open. Can anyone blame them for stealing when thievery is part of the Argentine DNA? I have to chuckle when Cristina calls the 2001 default, and subsequent issuance of sharply reduced "exchange" bond robbery a "restructuring". I wonder what spin she puts on her theft?
Tres3.
Per Bloomberg, another peso devaluation expected - [URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-22/argentina-s-peso-weakening-at-fastest-pace-since-january.html[/URL].
This has become so convoluted that Cristina may reach her goal of obfuscating the matter so much that the average Argentine LIV does not know who is at fault and just believes the government propaganda.
[URL]http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-08-22/argentina-s-exchange-offer-may-not-be-clever-enough-yet?cmpid=yhoo[/URL]
Tres3.
[B]"Talks Lift Hopes of Small Argentine Bondholders"[/B]
Hedge Funds Leading the Battle for Full Repayment Aren't the Only Holdouts.
[URL]http://online.wsj.com/articles/new-york-talks-lift-hopes-of-small-argentine-bondholders-1404688383[/URL]
[B]"Argentina Bond Fight Hits TV as Holdouts Cite 97-Year-Old"[/B]
[URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-20/argentina-bond-fight-hits-tv-as-holdouts-cite-97-year-old.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tres3;440961][b]Paul Singer's Next Trick Could Make Argentina Angrier Than The Time He Took Its Boat[/b]
More on Argentina's default and the roles Cristina and her late husband played.
Paul Singer's Next Trick Could Make Argentina Angrier Than The Time He Took Its Boat
[URL]http://www.businessinsider.com/singer-after-kirchner-funds-2014-8[/URL]
Tres3.[/QUOTE]I don't get it. I think what Tres posted above induced Esten's latest response. Tres provided a link to an article that describes an attempt by a hedge fund manager, Paul Singer, to locate $65 million hidden on behalf of the Kirchner's in shell corporations. Esten knows that Cristina is using the debt issue to whip up a populist fervor, putting politics ahead of good sense. And he knows ordinary Argentine and European pensioners who didn't accept Argentina's buyout proposal are getting fucked. His response is to damn Paul Singer. Esten, are you so caught up in your distaste for Wall Street that your priorities have become skewed?
[QUOTE=Thomaso276;440986]What deals / agreements with USA? Russia, Iran, China, Venezuala are the preferred partners for this bunch of thieves.[/QUOTE]Exactly, and you can thank Paul Singer and US vulture funds for helping drive Argentina in this direction. There are geopolitical consequences to Wall Street greed.