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JackDaniels ---- I tend to agree with you about "Black" , but on the other hand there's two or three in their I would spend the $300 dollars or more they want. And, Frankly their worth every penny of it . Its just that Im an admirer of DickHeads way of doing things and basic bottom line is, It doesn't take any brains to spend money. Any dumb shit can do that. Moreover the real fun about Buenos Aires is the hunt for the pussy not just the act itself. That all being said, There a blond in their I just might weeken on ----------- Exon
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Exon,
I agree with you, much of the fun is in the hunt and negotiations. That's why I like moving around because things can change nightly and hourly.
Ola all! The Mouse (along with oxygen mask and IV bag) has finally limped home with a tear in his eye. It was great seeing Stormy, Dickhead, Exon, Moondog & Jackson again along with meeting some new friends.
The week included 11 girls (only 2 were old friends) of 4 nationalities from 6 different locations and "Not a single Bad Experience" among them. The costs for the most part (not including a tip for some) was 150p for 2 hrs or more, with a few exceptions of 200p - 250p for 2 hrs - TLN and 1 chica charged me 300p for 8 hrs (well worth it).
For the first time ever, I never made it to Madaho's or Solid Gold, but I will repeat Nuevo Estilo for the one or 2 that got away. DH, keep up those lessons for the rest of us!
Hope to see you all again soon,
The Mouse
"An Equal Opportunity Fucker"
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LA Larry,
Just got back from the Riviera but just read your report about going to Mar Del Plata. That is hilarious man. I gotta say I admire your sense of adventure just renting that rental car. Sounds like something crazy I'd do. Ha, ha.
As far as Black's. I agree with you. I do have to say that I've never had any problems there. I don't quite understand why guys like Jamesbond69 go there so much if he doesn't pull girls out and only goes to inform the clueless how BA works. I'm all for being muy tranquilo and not causing a scene. How does arguing with the bartenders, never pulling any girls out, telling all the customers that there are cheaper places in town make yourself a good customer there???
I'm not sure if you should be banned but like it or not, Black's is what it is. They are a business trying to make money. Every city has their version of "Black's". I've pulled some stunners out of Blacks. Usually I just get their phone number and see them during the day. The management is always nice to me and so are the bartenders and waitresses. I'm certainly NOT endorsing them. Yes, they can be a rip off. My only point is that if I owned a business and some guy that I considered to be pestering my clients, staff, etc. I'd probably ban him too.
In a place like Black's and anywhere else like it in the world....your best chances of scoring with the hotties if you go back over and over is to get a good reputation. Often times I don't pay much more than other places with Black's girls. I think the reason is these girls all talk to one another.
I'm not slamming you Jamesbond. I just don't have sympathy from you getting banned there from what you posted. Good luck.
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Why I want to get back into Black:
For me, short time with the club chicas is simply a losing proposition; I'm a fairly decent looking guy who believes in treating the escorts well and I like to think that I get better mileage than most from the escorts when I monger in Montreal but all that doesn't really matter in B.A. I don't speak Spanish plus given many of the chicas' short term mentality, most of my short time arrangments have ended soon after the first service is done. Of course, it could be that I'm just repulsive to all Portenas but the end result is pretty much the same.
So if I'm going to pay 200-250 pesos for a short time session on top of the exit drinks and tips, I might as well just go to Montreal which is a lot closer, where roughly the same amount of money can get me a full hour with a fairly attractive to very good looking escort (depends on who is working) who speaks English at reputable Montreal agencies like Asservissante or SatinDreamz delivered to my hotel room. In addition, it's rare to get an escort with a bad attitude at these agencies since they are selling companionship and sex, not drinks and have a clear incentive to pick attractive girls with good attitudes. I was at Madahos for five to six nights and never once did anyone there ask whether the chica whom I took out the night before, provided good service. As far the clubs are concerned, their idea of the perfect customer is JamesBond69's American law student who thought that he had to pay just to watch the ladies prance around. In B.A, whether to pay the chicas before or after is an issue. But in Montreal, so long as you're dealing with reputable agencies, the idea that paying first will result in poorer service is actually a bit ridiculous. It's like in McDonalds, paying first doesn't mean your McNuggets and fries will arrive soggy; there's just a basic sense of professionalism. I think it says a lot that when you click on the "Reviews" button on the Asservissante website, it links to the biggest Montreal monger board on the web. I doubt that any B.A club will ever have a link to the WSG on their websites.
It seem I have digressed, guess I just wanted to vent my frustrations at the messed up incentives that the B.A clubs have, hope my rantings haven't offended anyone. I actually do like B.A a lot; it's a safe, beautiful city with warm and friendly people, the fact that 1 US dollar buys 2.9 peso doesn't hurt either.
As I was saying, given that short time sessions with club chicas don't make sense for me; TLN is by far, the best option for me. Besides, cost-wise B.A beats Montreal hands-down for TLN. I agree with Exon123 that apart from the standard fare, Black sometimes have 2 or 3 real lookers who are a cut above the rest of the club chicas. Since I find it difficult to do a TLN with someone whom I don't really find attractive, I'm pretty much limited to those 2-3 lookers at Black which is why I want back in. Hopefully, on my next trip, the offerings at Madahos will pick up. Guess if all else fails, I could try the other clubs and there're always the internet chicas.
Mad Max,
Can you really get me back in? But I do have my pride, not much but some and I won't apologise to them or anything like that.
Thanks
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About the US$100 quotes that several were mentioning - when I was with an amiga at the end of Novenber (she works out of Madahos), she told me that the management told the girls that they should not be accepting anything less than US$100 to leave with a non- Argentinian guy. I knew this wasn't happening from reading the posts, but I'm beginning to wonder if this "push" toward US$100 is gaining steam. Anyhow, she said this was the management that was telling the girls this. I don't think she was BS'ing me for any reason. This might explain the higher quotes and firm stances more of these girls are taking.
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MM,
That was a fun night, and I enjoyed seeing old friends, and making new acquaintances.
We will do it again,
Moondog
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Mr. Jak
About your last post: "...management told the girls that they should not be accepting anything less than US$100 to leave with a non- Argentinian guy."
That's very unfair, if true, IMHO. Especially considering Argentinian chicas who travel to Mexico City offering escort services, charge a going fee of $2000-2700 mexican pesos (about $177-240 US dollars, I think). I am told (by one of the girls, no less) that on good months of steady work, Argentinas from the www.divas.com.mx site can rack up to $10,000 US dollars. That's right, American dollars. No wonder they're so keen about coming here over an over.
I agree that Mexico's action can't compare with Bs. As. (national escorts are usually above the $100 US dollars mark) but that gives me impression that an Argentinian chica is entitled to squeeze your money from you just because she's beautiful and/or you're not from the same country as her.
A fellow monger from Mexico told me he went to Bs. As. to check famous Recoleta clubs, and he came back priding himself he had a great time with a model looking-type girl from Black for $500 AR pesos.
After reading WSG forum, I fear these girls will gladly suck your wallet dry, no matter your nationality. Maybe clubs there are only for wealthy tourists (which leaves me out of the game). Guess I'll be spending more time visiting private apartments.
Good luck, safe and fun adventures.
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Pricing $100;
This is in the same vein as I mentioned earlier from when I was in BA in Jan/04. A Madahoita, A planned event away from her work that evening, was telling her Amiga that 200P minimum for short stays is what we will be charging at Madaho. (And sure enough that is what she asked for that night but it was an all nighter w/ dinner & dance.)
She did not distinguish expat or not but these two portenas were with a Latino and Americano that night.
I think I have read lately of 150P from Madaho but as Jackson said, he paid the 200P once now he is marked at Madaho. Oh, if the peso could only go back to 4P/$US.
MAG
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HERE IS A NEW ANGLE TO COUNTER THE NON-ARGENTINE ISSUE:
For a limited time only I will be selling birth certificates that show that you were born in beautiful Buenos Aires and were spirited out of the country as a mere babe, hence your lack of Spanish, and that being seperated from your country you should now rate a discount! These birth certificates will be so real that even holding them up to the light the girls from Madahos / Black / etc won't be able to tell if they are fake.
Satification guaranteed or your money back...unlike SF1707.
Now all the above is a joke, but, maybe Senior Jackson could get a certificate scanned in and with Adobe Photo Shop and I would do the rest. Imagine the look on the chicas face when she quotes the higher rate and you whip out your birth certificate.
In Senior Jacksons case its the only thing he may pull out or they still will want more money to accomodate him.
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Although on this visit I have been specializing in doing the young and naive types, I've been very surprised that none of the club girls have asked for money up front OR tips at the end. The only price inflation has been at Guemes 3221 where they are now asking 100. Also 429 Maipu is not open on Sat or Sun: M-F 11-9 per white madam, who is also offering self.
Free pizza night at Nuevo Estilo tonight.
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"if I'm going to pay 200-250 pesos for a short time session on top of the exit drinks and tips, I might as well just go to Montreal where roughly the same amount of money can get me a full hour "
For those with little experience in BA, I think you will find that "short time" there never means a 10-20 minute quickie with the girl watching the clock - whether a street girl, club girl or escort. I never had a rushed session. But on several occasions I had a tough time getting them to leave. One club girl after telling me we had an hour, fell asleep for 2 and was in no hurry to leave after she woke up. Several street women wanted to stay the whole night.
Remember, part of what you are paying for is to get them to leave. My strategy has been to pay the minimum - for an hour. You usually get twice that if you are nice to her and for me, that is plenty of time. Should I happen to fall in love with her - and I always judge that AFTER I come - well you can always offer her some more money for more time. I see no sense in negociating a TLN with a girl you don't know and haven't tried before. And as noted many will leave anyway, because they have kids at home etc. Maybe I'm just getting old but after an hour or two of serious screwing I'm usually ready for her to go . . .
Peace, -P
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Middle Age guy writes: ". Oh, if the peso could only go back to 4P/$US."
Man, how greedy can you get. Do you know how much more crime and disease that would cause Argentines. Maybe you dont have relatives there, but you dont have to be the "ugly American". Enjoy what you are getting. With all due respect.
[blue]Please, let's not start a flame war with this.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
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¨Can't beat a night with the AMA¨
I had a great time meeting you guys at the AMA meeting last night. Why did it take me 3 years to finally attend a meeting?
We meet up at El Jefe's apartment. Really nice place by the way. And then went to a local restaurant for dinner. It's nice to step out of the tourist areas. After that the group broke up in two. One went to New Port and the other went to Affaire. I took the golden opportunity to learn from the master and went with him to Affaire. It was a lot more happenning then the night before. Plenty of chicas. I talked to a couple and Jackson pointed out this one girl Melinda. I talked to her for a bit while we were there but I didn't want to commit to anything since we were going to Madaho's next. I told her I would be back either later that night or the next night.
We head over to Madaho's but stop by New Port to pick up the rest of the crew.
Madaho's is in full swing. We base around a table with the occasional stroll through the club to see what was up. Jackson pointed out a couple of girls but as he said no matter who he suggests guys will just go their own way. I was no different. I tried to complete a deal with this one girl. We chat for a bit and I ask her if she would come back to my hotel with me. Instead of asking how much this time, I say ¨dos cien pesos, esta bien¨. She says ¨cien dolares¨, 100 dollars. I try negoitiating with her but to no avail. The $100 mark must still be upon me. One of the guys commented that I look rich. Damn, I gotta dress down and maybe not shave. It was about 3:30 or so by this point so I decided to get back to Melina at Affaire before they closed at 4. I say my farewells to the AMA and strike out.
I get back to Affaire and I see Melina the moment I walk in. She beckons me to sit with her. I order a couple of drinks and we continue where we left off. I ask her to my hotel. She says yes. I ask if 150 is good. She asks 150 dollars. I say no, pesos. She nods her approval. We vamanos shortly. It's closing time and all the girls start the parade to the door. By the way, when I got back it was still full of chicas but all the guys were gone. Just a room full of chicas.
We take the 5 second or so stroll to my hotel across the street and head up. Melina is 21, about 5'5¨, slim, brownish hair and your typical latina look. As the doorman says to me as we come in, ¨muy linda¨ very pretty. We spend some time dancing a bump and grind before starting the action. She has a really firm ass. Most girls sag out when they take off their painted on jeans, but her ass stayed just as firm. I normally stipulate BBBJ in the club as a matter of course, but to be honest I was kinda of desparate after 48 hours of frustration. I was willing to settle for a HJ or a LDTC at that point. So I got a CBJ. I tried ¨mi amore, por favor, chupar sin codom¨ but that was met with a shake of the heard. She also didn't kiss, I went in but she would always just give a peck on the check. No photos either. To say the least, I was fully cocked and on a hair trigger after 48 hours and my aborted attempt at Santa Fe earlier so I finished during the CBJ. Even covered she was good. No complaints, no rushing and a solid effort. She didn't rush toward the door afterwards and sat on the bed so I asked for a massage. She said she didn't know how but she gave it the college try. I sent her on her way after about 45 minutes total. At no point did she try to leave early or ask for money. I have to give her props for that. A good experience but not a GFE. She tells me she commutes 1.5 hours into BA. Looking back on it, many of my good experiences have been with girls that live in the burbs. I guess they aren't as jaded as those who live in the city. She also says it was her first night working. Ahh... sure.
Dickhead, did you say free pizza at Nuevo Estilo tonight? I'm there!!! OK, I was planning to go there anyways. Please oh please let Karla still be working there.
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Hello Fellow Mongers,
United is running a special on flights to BA from Miami for an unheard of $389.00 or from Chicago or LA for $439.00. Check their special e-fares section on thier website. Flights must be booked by this Friday.
It's a great deal.
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Well, the pizza will be free for me. Non Dickheads may have to pay, I don't know, but how much could it be? Anybody wanna share a cab, PM me; otherwise I'm gonna be a Dickhead and take the bus, at least most of the way.
I have decided to become more goal oriented. My goal is to fuck a girl from every province in Argentina. There are 23 provinces in Argentina. Now the province of Tierra del Fuego, Anatarctica, and Islas Atlanticas (this is all one province and does NOT contain the Islas Malvinas) may be tough as it has a very low population, but I will settle for the other 22.
How am I doing so far? Well, I know for sure I have:
BA Province
Entre Rios
Santiago del Estero
Missiones
Chaco
Salta
Formosa
Corrientes
Santa Cruz
Córdoba
Almost half way there. Now of course some of the nameless and faceless may be adding to this 'putative' total.
A good place to go for coffee is the lingerie bar Pelvi's on Corrientes, NW corner of Esmeralda. $3 peso café doble, $4 pesos Brahma in bottle, $6 pesos VERY healthy dose of Criadores. The girls there do tend to get a 'little behind' in their work, if you dig where I'm coming from.
