2004 Reports - Edited

DICKFER: Nicest thing you can do for her is post her photo and cell phone number here! Based on your description, the rest of us will be GLAD to help support her!

The dollar is weak because the rest of the world knows we are spending $200 Billion in Iraq, that we DON'T HAVE. The Democrats take money we don't have and spend it on social services, the Republicans take money we don't have and give it to Haliburton, et al. Either way, one of these days, the USA is gonna crash just like Argentina and Brazil. Then guys are gonna be flying in from B.A. to fuck OUR women!

Dickfer: Like her but don't love her.

Liking people for who they are is a healthy thing to do. Loving someone like this girl (reasons have been provided by others) is a tad foolhardy.

Treating a girl from a bar like a girl friend is not a bad idea. Actually [i]believing[/i] the fantasy is something else altogether.

Good luck, move on and enjoy.

Prices: Well, I come from the land of plenty. Our currency is still pretty strong against the dollar and peso though it has moved around a bit in the last few years. The purchasing power is still good though not at its peak.

Dickfer, I really want to thank you for having the courage and honesty to post what REALLY happened. You have been hit by the sharks for just about every scam, except the Croupier type extortion/robbery. And you have been scammed in EVERY deal you described. The best thing you can do is chalk it up to the price of education, and be more wary. Think about how you got trapped into them. Also, you really need to study more of the postings here. Most of what happened to you people have warned about.

You said: "I´m much more into having long-time (e.g. 4 hours or more) GFE in my apt - last night we went out to movie & dinner then back at my apt for about 1.5 hours of sex - paid her 400p, prearranged.".

I agree with you. Which is why I only like TLN, but also have negotiated 5 hour sessions 7-12 kind of thing. Unfortunately, you paid for a long sex session but didn't get it. You got $ar100 worth of sex and you and she spent the rest of the evening alone in each other's presence, for which she collected $ar300. When I pay sex prices, I expect intimate contact of various kinds. I never take them anywhere at sex prices. If we do anything else, my company is more valuable than hers. This could start another 4 day discussion.

Unfortunately, this woman now has an expectation. I have been there. The only way I have ever made progress is to say something like(in effect): "I have learned and I expect to be with you in my apartment 5-6 hours, or TLN(for this money), and we will not see each other again if I don't get it." And MEAN it. That is the ONLY thing she might respond to. And she likely won't respond to that very well, and give you a bad experience at best. Offering more money will likely make it worse. Sadly, she is manipulating you successfully, and it is practically impossible to overcome that. The best approach I have found is what they said about new cars in the old days: "Break them in the way you want to run them". What they give you the first session is the most important, and sets the tone for the entire relationship.

Your experiences are a great warning to others of the kinds of things waiting for them.

Exon Reporting:

There certainaly seams to be a lot of Newbies reporting lately.

We love thease girls we don't " fall in love with them ".

What a lot of our new posters don't realize is thease girls do this for a living. They need the money to pay rent, to feed their children, to simply get threw life. Just as we have job's here in sex prison, they have job's as "Escorts" in Buenos Aires, its a profession. Sure some girls are better than others and some love sex as much or more than we do. But the bottom line is they need the money.

Capital Federal in Buenos Aires is a very expensive place for thease girls. Most of them live out in the "Provincea" and take the train, (70 cents) or bus into work. My dear Amor Fabiana lives an hour from the center of town and when I call her its going to take an hour and a half as she has to get ready for me.

South America and or Latin America has different cultures than North America. They are not traped in a Victorian culture as we are, (thats why we call it sex prison here on the board). Sex is much more excepted there than in the USA.

Anyway, some advice for our Newbies, read the board. The guy's that regulary post here on the board are true world class Mongers. Ive met a good many of then personally, nice well educated guy's. There professional's, have been all over the world with our hobby. There not married men sneaking out on their wifes, their Monger's.

So heres my suggestion. If your a newbie post that your looking for an experienced "Wing Man". PM or Post for an Andres, (he's the most experienced), a DickHead, Saint or a Captain Dave even Jackson if he's avialble an offer them a deal, a free night on the town for their advice, counsel and experiance. You pick up the tab, dinner, drinks maybe even the pussy, . Whats it going to cost you a hundred buck's top's, chump change. The knowledge thease guy's have is invaluable. After all you've just spent up to a $1,000 dollars on airfare and flew 7,000 miles to Monger. They will save you time and money in the long run, time being the most valuable of the two. You will also have a better experience with the knowledge they can give you about Buenos Aires.

Mongering Tips For Newbies From.

Exon

Dickfer, great reports. I'll strongly disagree with Lexton - you're not being scammed. You're having a great time on your first trip to the candy store. Relax.

You will learn any lessons better by not constantly worrying about being "scammed" or falling in love with the wrong girl, or spending too much time drilling her wonderful body. You are spending a pittance and having a wonderful time - enjoy it while it lasts! If you want to spend your entire trip with her, more power to you, amigo! There's no prize at the end of vacation to the guy who drills the most chicas. And if you prefer five different ones every day, that's all right too! We have a name for such a monger. "Starfe." :D

The only advice I would give would be to echo the advice not to send any more money once you're home. Til then, if you spend 400 pesos for hours of entertainment and exceptional sex, keep in mind that guys pay more than that back home for an indifferent 10 minute hand job by a woman built like an NFL linebacker. I see you figured out the stuff about being careful not to carry too much money at one time, using a safe. Great!

I'll look forward to reading more reports about your trip.

Uncle Otto

Have to agree with Exon, Jackson, Saint etc regarding 'falling in love with a WG'

It is a very common theme on message boards around the world I think - certainly in the UK, but seems to happen frequently that it merits a comment. Everyone is different, and one size definitely does not fit all, but there are several common traits:

- Can you believe her when she says she is not working anymore? She has probably lied to family/friends before, so why should you be any different.

- Can you handle reading her reviews, possibly seeing her pictures on here or elsewhere etc. Don't pretend you won't look for them, as curiosity will get the better of you.

- Did she do more for her 'clients' than she does for you, service wise

- Can she get used to living without the fast, 'easy', money
Etc, etc.

I speak from relative experience, having just broken up with a South American WG in N. Europe. She had quit working immediately after we met, or at least she removed herself from the website, but there lay the real problem to the relationship, I was never quite certain she had stopped entirely.

In a nutshell, it was one of the most rewarding and, at the same time, self destructive relationships I have ever had, however I would only mildy recommend it, and strongly advise against it.

P.S. - Don't want to start a big debate on the subject, just trying to make enough posts so I can be promoted from a regular member and stop having the 24hr delay between writing and posts been placed!

Any advice on my previous post re action over Xmas/New Year would be appreciated.

All the breast.

Dickfer,

As Otto has mentioned I had 5 girls I was sending money to from my first trip to Buenos Aires. I gave the same way I would give to Jerry's Kids. My problem was not so much the cash I was sending down every 3 days but the postage stamps. The girls were upset when the money did not arrive on time. Thats the only problem I ran into. Some would not see me on my return visit do to the poor mail system . Fed Exing to 5 different addresses was getting way to expensive. So I just gave up.

Try to hang in there to the bitter end. I did.


Thanks Otto for those kind words.

Starfe

One of the most unforgettable experiences (non-sexual of course) I had in Buenos Aires was when Starfe told me about this girl that was on Area-Vip.com. He kept raving about her and even told me that he would pay for me session to session with her. I told him it wasn't necessary but he insisted. This was over 2 years ago. She isn't on Area VIP anymore. Very sweet girl with perhaps the best body out of any girl I've ever seen. Just an angel.

Anyone that knows Starfe knows that he is a very generous guy. Apparently they were writing one another by mail. I remember when I told her that I was a friend of "Starfe" and she had this HUGE smile on her face. She reaches into her purse and pulls out an actual envelope/card from him. It was a few weeks old but the fact that she was still carrying it around in her purse was really great to me. No, Starfe wasn't in love with her and it is just these random acts of kindness that mean so much to some of us. I've done the same thing in a number of countries I have been in. I've said it before and I'll keep repeating it. If you have the money, it makes you feel good, you do NOT expect anything from the girl....then feel free to give her money. As long as you are realistic and it's unconditional then do what you feel is right.

Have fun while you're in BA. Learn from your experiences but don't worry so much about every nickle or dime you're spending here and there. Read Otto's post. It couldn't be more correct. Some guys are so worried about every peso they are spending that they forget they spent a lot of time and money to fly down here. Enjoy the trip!

Saint,

The intertesting part of the relationship with the girl from Area -Vip is that she still has the original bill I sent her of GROVER CLEVELAND. She carries it around in her wallet with such pride. I wonder sometimes if the other gals have spent theirs? I never got to see any of their expressions when they opened the envelopes. It must have been priceless. If I can bring just 1 smile to 1 face each day ...........


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Starfe

Dickfer,

Listen to Jackson, Chuponalgas, JackDaniels, Lexton, Exon123, OttoGraham, Starfe and Saint. Now listen to me, I agree with all they said. You can have fun with a hooker, that is all these girls are, call them an up-graded name like a high class escort that is just inexpensive. What ever name you want. But you can't fall in love with them. They sell pussy, not love.

If you want to find a hot girl to marry use a dating site there are hundreds.

But all we are all doing is paying for a great time with no strings and because this love of women is the drug we like the most we even try new girls everyday for that better high each so we can dump the next load or two loads better than the last, if she gives you a great GFE. Either way, enjoy your time, try them all and please don't over pay you will mess it up for us. If you want to really help her, pass her around to the others.

Now hello to everyone on here, this site is the bomb. I have been doing this for years and years in the states and over the last 4 years only in eastern europe, like the Czeck Republic, Romaina, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Bulgaria, Moldova and Estonia.

Now it is time for south America, I think Buenos Aires, Argentina is just perfect for this hobby. One it is very cheap, just as much as the eastern European countries use to be. But there are far more girls I think then any of the countries I have been to other then the Czeck Republic, but the prices are a little higher in that third world country. It seems to me Buenos Aires is the lowest I have seen in a while. All the third world eastern European countries are now trying to play this Euro game, like they are worth as much a the dollar, time to find a new place to party.

What I would like to ask Jackson, Chuponalgas, JackDaniels, Lexton, Exon123, OttoGraham, Starfe and Saint or anyone else that has spent a ton of time in Buenos Aires, how safe is it really? I mean I never had any problems in Europe but that is where my blood line comes from even tho I was born in America. I just look European. How do they treat America's that look like American's in Buenos Aires?

I want to plan a 3-4 week vacation there and I am open to meeting anyone that lives there and paying for the whole night of fun on me just to get to know the place better and pick anyone's brains about what sounds like one of the best places on earth right now. If it is as much fun as it seems, I would want to buy a flat and come back again and again. Looking forward to the pro's and their comments, thanks.

Was in BA for an incredible 3 weeks from Sept 16 until yesterday. I won't bore with meaningless and repeated data.

Went to all the clubs in Recoleta and the only ones worth considering imho are Black and Madahos.

Never pulled out a chica from Black for less than 300 pesos and believe me I tried hard to negotiate down. I am fluent in Spanish, as my parents were born there. Best looking girls by far. Hotties all over on Tues - thursday, weekends there are less to choose from.

Madaho, 150-250 pesos depending on the quality of the girl. The better looking ones always started at 300 and had to be brought down. Many good looking chicas, and some marginal. The club is great although the lighting can be hazardous if you are not careful. Met a real looker that I hooked up with 4 times over the 3 weeks..right out of SA Playboy!

Affaire is cheap to get in 30 pesos for 3 drinks, but the chicas sucked and high pressure.

Solid gold, went in, got scared, walked out ...dont bother.

Several others in the vicinity that I went in to look, but not many chicas and the ones there were of lower quality imho.

BA is awesome. Get out and see the city...Tigre is a great place to go on Sunday with a chica. Try Pigari, next to the 4 seasons for Italian, and El Mirasol for an alternative to Cabana Las Lilas.

Since I speak the language and know my way around and have friends there, I did not hook up with any other mongers from the board. Sure i saw some of you in the clubs. The best part about the whole thing is how lucky we are to have had the peso work in our favor and the economy be down. It wont last forever, so get your butts down there if you havent yet. Its like being a kid in a candy store. I saw old guys, fat, skinny, young, good looking and plain ugly all having the time of their lives with beautiful women everytime I went into a club. Imagine being able to pick up the woman of your dreams for under 100 bucks....what a life.

As others have done, so I am doing now. I am looking to move permanently to BA. Thanks for all of you that post..it makes life easier for everyone.

oh and wear what you like, these chicas dont care...as long as you are clean and treat them with respect, no one gives a shit what you have on and it wont make a difference what you pay. There were nights i wore very nice clothes and others where i wore jeans and a shirt. remember its your vacation, your money and do what you feel comfortable with. A few girls told me if they dont like a guy for some reason (dress, age, body, smell, etc etc) they inflate the price to get them to go away.


rb

[b]Streetwalkers[/b]

Seriously I have done very few of these in BA but they do exist as a mongering alternative. A few nights ago I saw Monica who I did in a parking lot on my first visit. I would not do her again but it is nice to know she is not dead or in prison or something.

Tonight I saw one at the corner of Suipacha and Marcelo T who was damn good looking, almost hot, even. Definitely one of the better looking SWs I have seen in BA. I was late to meet up with some guys so we exchanged tongue signals but nothing else.

Then later returning from the Triangle it was raining and it was fucking hilarious how many were lurking in awnings along Marcelo T. Two Eastern European girls at the corner of Uruguay started talking to me in English but I pretended I did not understand and was drunk enough to try some French so they got confused and started some pidgin Spanish. 50 pesos vamos por azha. So I said "femmes ou hommes?" and they showed me their tits. One had really small tits with big pink nipples and the other had tits that had apparently been sucked on by the entire Romanian navy.

Also a couple of really cute pendejas were soliciting from the kiosko in MT between Suipacha and Carlos Pellegrini, on the south side in the middle of the block. I maybe would have investigated further but they only serve Quilmes there in 600 cl bottles and I just can't take that shit. Plus even though they were drinking in a licensed establishment they seemed too young so that is that. Probably 20 or 21 but I did not want to find out the hard way.

Suerte,

DH

Jackson,

Thanks for the suggestion about the punctuation.

I got robbed my first night here in BsAs. Called "Rosanna" from areavip, since it has been spoken so well of on the forum.

She showed up, but had terrible buck teeth with areas of decay beneath her caps. A bit much of a tummy, but hell, I needed to get my feet off the ground being the first day here and having heard of the wonders of BsAs women. A couple lights out, and it was worth a point or two on the 1-10 scale.

She smelled good. We talked a while, after her prompt arrival at the specified time. She gave some excellent shopping ideas.

On the phone she quoted 300P. I informed her I am well aware if the going rate of 150 or so. But being my first night I acquiesed. I offered 200 with cab fare.

She was on time and we had a great chat about excellent places to shop and some theatrical venues.

When it came to the sexo the condom came right out. And her buck teeth made it a less than optimal experience. We moved to all "fours". She wouldnt go doun to my favorita with her prone flat on the side. She kept squirrriling out from underneath and commenting I;m too big. Well, that,s a great complement, but I know it,s not true. Oh, and before this she asked 300R, I explainrd we had agreeden upon 200 with cab. She asquiestes.

Covered, uninspired CBJ. Some Cowboy, but when it came timr e for my favorite with her prone, she kept squirring from beneath. Afrid the condom would break, she heled it thewhole time.

Long story short, I suggested this was not working out, and suggested we halve the cash I had already given here. She would not hear of it. I called the front desk to hold her I.D, wntil things were straightenet out. Unfortunately they let her up as a "friend". I suggested they call the police, and she was outta there gofore you could say "go".

She insisted the cash was for the time. HEY!, I,m a professional. If i cannot offrer the serviced offeed, I´d cut it down the middle and hold no grudges.

She bolted when I was on the phone with thfront desk and the police. She had not left an I.D. card because seemed tobe a friend.

Mia primera vez en BsAs was not good.

Lession1: NEVER pay before.

Lession:2 negotiate for NO MOREthan 150, Anything else is "a red flag". And don,t be afrait to meet them at the door with a photo showing it,s not them.

So I´m to learn form this and try to not reach conclusions that all Argentine women are cold, scheemers, and bad at sex. But it´s hard coming from 2 weeks in Brazil.

I'm resilient, and really wan't these gals the benifit of the doubt.

Generally speaking, what would be the age profile of the chicas ? Does this vary by club ? Do chicas graduate to Blacks or Madaho having honed their skills elsewhere and perhaps learnt some English along the way.

I got the impression from a previous visit that it is mostly in the late 20s and higher.

rb1,

Your post is right on target. Good job of describing the scene. Sounds like you lived it up and had fun and that's what it's all about. And you are absolutely right about the girls inflating their prices and not coming down on price if they don't like any aspect of a guy. With many girls it's not just about the money. The really hot ones can pick and choose who they want since they are in such demand. Many I talk to never even have to leave with guys they aren't that attracted to since they are being approached all night. If you're talking to a girl and she absolutely won't budge on price just move on. I was in Madahos one night when I witnessed this type of thing happening. This guy that was dressed really badly and just look like he rolled around in a dumpster was approaching girls in front of my table. Girls were not too interested but he was calling girls over to his table. They were throwing out prices of $200 US!! This guy could speak Spanish but was American I think. He was getting pissed at the price quotes. I didn't even want to talk to him but kept listening because I was curious. He finally accepted one girl's offer of $200 US and I was laughing. Then I was surprised when the girl changed her mind and increased it to $250 US. It was clear to see she was just doing this to avoid leaving with him. He just left the club pissed. You know what?? The girl ended up leaving with another tourist for 200 pesos. Proof positive that it's not always about the money with these girls.

This is a paradise. Not just the chica scene but just living in the city and interacting with people on a daily basis is very satisfying. The toughest thing is it's tough to make money so come down with money or be prepared to create your own business. I've met many people from the USA and Europe that moved here because they loved it but now are having to move back because they figured out there is no way they can make enough here to survive.

Jackdaniels,

Girls are generally older in Buenos Aires then other places in South America I've been to. You can find some young, sweet, hot girls in the clubs but it's nothing like Rio de Janerio. Most clubs don't seem to hire too many girls under 21. I heard it was a law but I don't think that's true since I have met some 20 year old girls in the clubs. By and far though, I've found that most are in their early to mid 20's. You'll find many in their upper 20's too. There are exceptions to this rule but I've found that in places like Rio, there are much more younger girls in the clubs and the termas. Most guys I know that came to BA after Rio were disappointed with the sex scene here.