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[QUOTE=Punter 127; 427542]The team of University of Colorado professors has created a model that has correctly chosen the President every year since 1980. The way they made this prediction and their track record is very interesting, I wonder if they have it right again this time?
I sure hope whoever gets the most electoral votes also wins the popular vote because the opposite keeps happening and it isn't good for the country.
Goes to Biden.
The Young B O Y could not keep Up With the
Truth.
Obviously this is going to be another close election. I think close elections are good and a lot of countries don't have them. We have had a few very controversial elections such as 1876 and 2000 but if you look at other countries' histories we have done okay. Look at our neighbor, México. They went through something like 55 presidents in 31 years (although some guys were president more than once and Santa Anna was president 11 separate times) and aside from the rulers who got assassinated, executed, or killed in battle (Obregóand, Madero, Villa, Zapata, Carranza, Maximilian, Cuauhtémoc, Moctezuma II, etc, you had a guy who lost a leg (Santa Anna) , a guy who lost an arm (Obregóand) , and a guy who died in a US prison (Huerta). Huerta makes Nixon look like a saint. Santa Anna was an asshole and we have had asshole presidents but not 11 fucking times.
"Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried."
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 427546]Goes to Biden.
The Young B O Y could not keep Up With the
Truth.[/QUOTE]Maybe out there in Rump-A-Roni land and possibly on MSNBC (I don't get MSNBC) but I think the rest of America saw it differently. CNN says it's a draw with a slight edge to Paul Ryan. 48 to 44.
[url]http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/11/cnn-poll-on-debate-winner-ryan-48-biden-44/[/url]
What did you Hear and See?
You can't be Serious?
[QUOTE=Punter 127; 427548]Maybe out there in Rump-A-Roni land and possibly on MSNBC (I don't get MSNBC) but I think the rest of America saw it differently. CNN says it's a draw with a slight edge to Paul Ryan. 48 to 44.
[url]http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/11/cnn-poll-on-debate-winner-ryan-48-biden-44/[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 427549]What did you Hear and See?
You can't be Serious?[/QUOTE]I saw an arrogant, overbearing, and condescending old washed-up has-been who was an embarrassment to himself and his party. Unfortunately his patronizing arrogance mirrors that of many (not all) in the Democrat party today.
Is that serious enough or do I need to break it down a little more for you?
[QUOTE=Punter 127; 427552]I saw an arrogant, overbearing, and condescending old washed-up has-been who was an embarrassment to himself and his party. Unfortunately his patronizing arrogance mirrors that of many (not all) in the Democrat party today.
Is that serious enough or do I need to break it down a little more for you?[/QUOTE]Time to visit the opthalmologist. Your eyes are failing.
What I saw was a guy who was not afraid to call Ryan on any of his hypocrisy and BS.
In actual truth, this particular debate was such that neither side will change any minds at all. Ryan reiterated the righty talking points, but did not make any headway, as anything he said that would have been significant was challenged. There was no huge gaffe, and there was no dominance either way. People already knew that Ryan was a numbers geek who masters details but is often factually challenged, and that Biden is a blustery guy who speaks his heart first and powerfully, and that's what they saw. In the grand scheme of things, this debate was a no-op, even though I thought Biden made Ryan look like a junior accountant who knew his numbers, but couldn't explain why he was inconsistent in his principles when there was a Republican President earlier.
[QUOTE=Member #2041; 427553]Time to visit the opthalmologist. Your eyes are failing.
What I saw was a guy who was not afraid to call Ryan on any of his hypocrisy and BS.
In actual truth, this particular debate was such that neither side will change any minds at all. Ryan reiterated the righty talking points, but did not make any headway, as anything he said that would have been significant was challenged. There was no huge gaffe, and there was no dominance either way. People already knew that Ryan was a numbers geek who masters details but is often factually challenged, and that Biden is a blustery guy who speaks his heart first and powerfully, and that's what they saw. In the grand scheme of things, this debate was a no-op, even though I thought Biden made Ryan look like a junior accountant who knew his numbers, but couldn't explain why he was inconsistent in his principles when there was a Republican President earlier.[/QUOTE]I think you have tunnel vision. Biden is a disgrace to the office, there was absolutely no reason to be rude, he lacks class and he is a total ass!
[QUOTE=Punter 127;427556]I think you have tunnel vision. Biden is a disgrace to the office, there was absolutely no reason to be rude, he lacks class and he is a total ass![/QUOTE]Actually, It is entirely appropriate to be rude when calling someone out for lying to the American People.
If you want to know what a disgrace to the office of the Vice Presidency is, Dick Cheney suborning torture and war crimes in the name of the American public, and fabricating a bogus case to go to a war over oil, under the false pretense that it was to protect America from terrorists - now THAT is a disgrace to the office of the Vice Presidency.
[QUOTE=Dickhead;427527]Inflation doesn't just help the elites. It helps anyone who has a fixed rate loan. I remember when I worked for the feds and guys would b!tch about inflation, when we had COLA and fixed mortgages. I would tell them,"We want RAGING inflation" and they just looked at me kinda sideways dog-head. And no, I don't hold out any hope of the corporate income tax going away given that it has been 50 years since it was conclusively proven to be bogus.[/QUOTE]You are correct, in large part due to the difficulty in executing this:
[quote=]But, either way it is all noise and bullshit and paperwork and a needless drain on corporate resources. If anyone wants a good reason to explain to Joe Six Pack why the corporate tax should go, just tell 'them about all the lawyers and accountants we could get rid of.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Member #2041;427559]If you want to know what a disgrace to the office of the Vice Presidency is, Dick Cheney suborning torture and war crimes in the name of the American public, and fabricating a bogus case to go to a war over oil, under the false pretense that it was to protect America from terrorists - now THAT is a disgrace to the office of the Vice Presidency.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Punter 127;427486]That guy is NOT running for office.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Member #2041;427559]Actually, It is entirely appropriate to be rude when calling someone out for lying to the American People.[/quote]You mean like telling the American people that our ambassador accidentally died from smoke inhalation after a spontaneous civil disturbance that was not terrorism, as opposed to the truth that the ambassador was sodomized and murdered in a preplanned, terrorist attack, during which three other Americans were murdered?
Or do you mean like telling the American people that you will cut the federal debt by 50% but, in reality you increase it by 50%
How about telling the American people that we have to have "stimulus" or the world will end and that every dime is going to shovel ready jobs, when in reality the entire package consisted of political payoffs to cronies capitalists and unions? Wait, wait, I know, you mean like telling the American people that you will work across the aisle to forge consensuses when in reality you tell the opposition that they can go to the back of the bus?
[quote=]If you want to know what a disgrace to the office of the Vice Presidency is, Dick Cheney suborning torture and war crimes in the name of the American public, and fabricating a bogus case to go to a war over oil, under the false pretense that it was to protect America from terrorists - now THAT is a disgrace to the office of the Vice Presidency.[/QUOTE]You are certainly entitled to your agenda-driven, fact-less opinions. Do you find Cheney's tenure to be more disgraceful than fast and furious? You know, that program where the President and Attorney General participated directly in conspiracy to take away our second amendment rights by supplying some of the most vicious criminals on earth with automatic weapons, resulting in hundreds of deaths?
CBS News instant poll shows 50 percent of "uncommitted" voters dubbing Biden the winner; 31 percent Ryan. Probably the CNN Poll had more GOP voters than Democrats in respondents. I was not impressed by Biden's facial expression either.
[QUOTE=Punter 127; 427548]Maybe out there in Rump-A-Roni land and possibly on MSNBC (I don't get MSNBC) but I think the rest of America saw it differently. CNN says it's a draw with a slight edge to Paul Ryan. 48 to 44.
[url]http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/11/cnn-poll-on-debate-winner-ryan-48-biden-44/[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;427562]xxxxxxxxxx[/QUOTE]Nonetheless, the Cheney point is appropriate, because it demonstrates the sort of nauseating person that the voters of the Repugnant Party find to be acceptable. And it is a good reminder of the flawed judgment of anyone who has ever supported this War Criminal.
[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;427563]You mean like telling the American people that our ambassador accidentally died from smoke inhalation after a spontaneous civil disturbance that was not terrorism, as opposed to the truth that the ambassador was sodomized and murdered in a preplanned, terrorist attack, during which three other Americans were murdered?[/QUOTE]Could you provide your source for this please. If possible could you provide two from opposed agenda driven outlets, ie. Fox and Huffpo? I hadn't heard this, prolly because I don't watch the news, but from what I can find it started as a report from a Lybian outlet quoting an AFP report but AFP immediatly denied reporting it. After that all I can find about it is from fringe sites, nothing from real (BBC, Fox, CBS, AP, hell even Al Jazera would work for me) news.
Not calling you a liar, not getting into the fight just want to know the source so I can read more about it.
Thanks, DR