American Politics during the Obama Presidency

I find rants by WW and his anti-Obama buds rather ironic.

For some reason, the only activities beyond mongering with an easy conscience that they seem to feel strongly should be protected from inappropriate government interference are ones that relate to commerce - or money to use the cruder term.

The freedom to cheat, steal and dissemble when making a buck or keeping it from taxation must be protected at all costs. Not so much the freedom of speech, the press, free assembly or telecommunicating without unlawful ease-dropping.

I don't remember much in the way of expressed outrage about the erosion of personal freedoms under Bush.

Remember when W's lawyers claimed the President - under the unified executive mis-interpretation of the Constitution theory - could secretly tap peoples' phones, intercept their internet communications, kidnap and imprison forever foreigners and citizens in secret prisons without access to lawyers or any right to trial - not after court reviewed evidence of alleged involvement in terrorism, but with no review at all - under the "You Can Trust Us" War on Terror theory. Was this something that outraged people - other than us wussy liberals?

Similarly, is there outrage about eroding freedoms from these people now that Arizona will require anyone who is out on their street to have documentary proof of their citizenship with them at all times and be subject to arbitrary questioning by police on the vaguest "reasonable suspicion" about their citizenship status.

"Show Me Your Papers" has replaced "God Enriches" as the Arizona state motto to the consternation of the uber-Christian capitalist crowd!

Now - according to the WW crew - only one God of freedom exists who must be kept free from interference - the God of the Holy Buck!

The reality that the unfettered freedom of individual and corporate capitalists in the complex, computerized world of international finance poses a real, present and continuous threat to the viability of the world economy and the economic well-being of everyone on the planet is irrelevant.

Only the God of the Holy Buck is sacrosanct.

The "I've Got Mine and Everyone Else Can Go Fuck Themselves" elements of society are well represented here at AP - but a few of us ain't buying what they are selling!

[QUOTE=Sysco234]"As I previously mentioned, all corporate expenditures greater than $600 will require filing a 1099."

They already do.

Sysco234[/QUOTE]Absolutely not. You don't send 1099s to Inc.'s right now, which are the vast, vast majority of transactions. WW's report, if correct, will exponentially increase the number of 1099s.

[QUOTE=Stan Da Man]Absolutely not. You don't send 1099s to Inc.'s right now, which are the vast, vast majority of transactions. WW's report, if correct, will exponentially increase the number of 1099s.[/QUOTE]I was thinking of partnerships, my bad. After some research there are some circumstances where you need to give one to corporations if it's for legal, medical, or healthcare purposes.

That said, it's all about the taxes. Tax revenue is down, rather then cut spending, the gov't figures out expensive ways to account for revenue they think isn't being reported.

Sysco

I haven't researched the three examples Walleye listed, but if he sees them as a negative, I am almost certain they are things that will benefit the average American and offset the transfer of wealth to the rich.

This thread has so suffered since ol' Sidney went south. As far as the hopeless liberals goes! Keep it real dude for once. Many americans are waiting till Novemeber till the scales change BIG Time! Sadly, nothing will advance until Abomonation is castrated. But we'll just have to ride out the two year impotence period till some serious leadership returns to the whitehouse. A neutered Obamanation is better than an impowered lunitic attempting to destroy the ameriacn dream IMHO! Tick. Tick. Tick. America will reset the clock in November and get itself back on the right track. Sometimes, doing nothing wrong is better than doing everything wrong! Happy Mongering All. Toymann

Ps. This is an opinion that both moderate republicans and independents in america now share. Most independents in the US that voted for Obamination now regret their decision BIG TIME! Hell hath no fury like an independent spurned! LOL. Just wait till Novemeber! LOL!

You had me at hello.

[QUOTE=Toymann]This thread has so suffered since ol' Sidney went south. As far as the hopeless liberals goes! Keep it real dude for once. Many americans are waiting till Novemeber till the scales change BIG Time! Sadly, nothing will advance until Abomonation is castrated. But we'll just have to ride out the two year impotence period till some serious leadership returns to the whitehouse. A neutered Obamanation is better than an impowered lunitic attempting to destroy the ameriacn dream IMHO! Tick. Tick. Tick. America will reset the clock in November and get itself back on the right track. Sometimes, doing nothing wrong is better than doing everything wrong! Happy Mongering All. Toymann.

Ps. This is an opinion that both moderate republicans and independents in america now share. Most independents in the US that voted for Obamination now regret their decision BIG TIME! Hell hath no fury like an independent spurned! LOL. Just wait till Novemeber! LOL![/QUOTE]Esten, you are spot on. All tools necessary to control the people and transfer wealth to those who didn't earn. Viva la revulsion!

Sysco & Stan: re:1099s, the amount of additional paper pushing will cost companies billions in compliance. However, we'd be lucky if that was the only repercussion or if that were the intent of the regulation. This is an attempt by the government to force companies to provide the IRS with all of the information necessary to recreate your income statement (P & L) on their own computers (to be done en masse by software which will produce inaccurate results) which they will then compare against your tax returns. If the variance is big enough, knock, knock.

As far as the Form 1099 issue, even though I have all my clients on competent accounting systems and assisted in their implementation, WW and TM are right about the costs associated with tracking all vendor transactions over $600, not to mention the forms cost (even if you print them on plain paper. Add the cost of accounting and reconciliation of all your reports to the Form 1096 to the initial preparation of the individual 1099's and you have a real time killer and that translates into more record keeping costs. No matter how advanced and complex our management and accounting information systems become, which should reduce record keeping and reporting costs, the good old IRS / Congress keeps coming up with new requirements to be sure the time it takes to comply never decreases but always increases.

[QUOTE=Toymann]Many americans are waiting till November till the scales change BIG Time! America will reset the clock in November and get itself back on the right track.

Ps. This is an opinion that both moderate republicans and independents in america now share. Just wait till Novemeber! LOL![/QUOTE]Guess what Toyfella. Things maybe ain't what they seem or the way the corporate American press foretells of a Republican resurgence. Odds are increasing that just ain't gonna happen.

Yea - incumbents either D or R got tsouris (Yiddish for problems) - but as Obama said the people aren't gonna give the keys back to the crew that ran the car into the ditch.

Here's the skinny:

The most recent AP polls show advantage D is acomin'.

Obama's popularity is up as people see he and his team get up in the morning and go to work trying to improve things while his opponents throw mud and gum up the works.

As of today, more Americans want Democrats to control Congress in 2011 and 2012 than want Republicans. With 45% for the D's and 40% for the Rs - resulting from an 8% drift away from the R's among moderates and independents in just one month.

"Obamanomics" seems to be working as the economy is inarguably on the mend. Job growth is slowly improving, homes are selling, retail is up and the markets (despite the insanity of last week's 15 minute crash) are volatile, but trending positive.

BP has turned "drill, baby drill" into "spill baby spill" so the R's won't have energy issues working for them in November. Their shilling for Wall Street is another albatross. Obama's anti-terror policies are working as well as W's without all the nasty stuff included. The wars are on a slow walk to Obama's credit and advantage. Odds are the Rs will go over the top on immigration to shore up their base and that will turn off fair-minded independents. The Tea Party is a double-edged sword that may draw just as much R as D blood.

Only a third of those surveyed by AP want their own lawmakers re-elected. The anti-incumbent mood say, in essence, a pox on both their houses - D and R.

Sitting members from both parties are vulnerable, but it is far from a given that Rs will oust sitting Ds and vice versa. D's may replace defeated D's and defeated R's may be replaced by other R's.

One key looking to November is married women are turning away from the R's. Young people and rural voters also see the Ds as a better bet. The D's numbers will get even stronger as Latinos and other minorities watch the R's trashing them and seemingly claiming that the American dream should be for whites only.

Of course, November is a long way off and we do live in interesting times.

[QUOTE=Toymann]This thread has so suffered since ol' Sidney went south. As far as the hopeless liberals goes! Keep it real dude for once. Many americans are waiting till Novemeber till the scales change BIG Time! Sadly, nothing will advance until Abomonation is castrated. But we'll just have to ride out the two year impotence period till some serious leadership returns to the whitehouse. A neutered Obamanation is better than an impowered lunitic attempting to destroy the ameriacn dream IMHO! Tick. Tick. Tick. America will reset the clock in November and get itself back on the right track. Sometimes, doing nothing wrong is better than doing everything wrong! Happy Mongering All. Toymann.

Ps. This is an opinion that both moderate republicans and independents in america now share. Most independents in the US that voted for Obamination now regret their decision BIG TIME! Hell hath no fury like an independent spurned! LOL. Just wait till Novemeber! LOL![/QUOTE]Maybe so, but I don't recall there being too many happy people around X'mas in 2008. Oh, you just forgot!

Yes. In 2008 we had a liberal house and senate f**cking up every positive initiative that the republicans put forward. Guesse ya forgot? You clowns have had the ball without interferrence for the past year and a half and what do you have to show for it? Thankfully, every decade or so the liberals get a chance with the "ball" and remind all of america why you should stay on the bench when it comes to running the country. November can't come too soon and you will only have yourselves to blame! What an opportunity lost! Shame on you all for pushing your "social agenga" on the rest of us and NOT dealing with the issues at hand like jobs and the economy. If ya had any sense at all you would have focussed on these issues, been successful and then during your second term you could have converted the Good Ol' USA to the socialist state your so covet! November is just around the corner, and never forget what the Toymann told ya all. "You will only have yourself to blame". LOL. Happy Mongering All. Toymann

View this video from the T. V. Series FrontLine.

Bush left Obama with no choice, either spend our way out of this Recession or we'd all go broke.

Now you Republican "Bushie" MotherFuckers watch this and learn something. Obama had no choice it had to be this way.

[url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tentrillion/view/?utm_campaign=viewpage&utm_medium=grid&utm_source=grid[/url]

CockSuckers.

Exon

[QUOTE=Exon123]Either spend our way out of this Recession or we'd all go broke.[/QUOTE]ROTFLMAF!

Exon, did you even think about what you wrote?

"Spend our way out of a recession", or "we'd all go broke".

So, if we're in a recession, the answer is to borrow money we don't have and can't afford to pay back, and then throw it out the window, so we can avoid being in a position where we didn't have any money?

It's funny, but at the same time it's also sad that you actually believe this.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson]ROTFLMAF!

Exon, did you even think about what you wrote?

"Spend our way out of a recession", or "we'd all go broke".

So, if we're in a recession, the answer is to borrow money we don't have and can't afford to pay back, and then throw it out the window, so we can avoid being in a position where we didn't have any money?

It's funny, but at the same time it's also sad that you actually believe this.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]Yep,.

Essentially thats exactly what he has to do El Jeffie, he has no choice.

Watch the Video and you'll learn something.

Exon

[QUOTE=Exon123]Yep,

Essentially thats exactly what he has to do El Jeffie, he has no choice.

Watch the Video and you'll learn something.

Exon[/QUOTE]Exon,

You can find a video on the internet to prove or disapprove any point.

Here's my point: If our government had NOT borrowed and then pissed away 820 billion dollars in the so-called "Stimulus Plan", our economy would be stronger today. The fact is that the American economy is an incredibly powerful wealth-generating machine, and thus is will always right itself if left alone to flourish. Unfortunately, our economy must now right itself while dragging the drogue chute of the Stimulus Plan's debt.

Nevertheless, thanks to the fortitude of the American entrepreneur and the productivity of the American worker, the US Economy will inevitably recover, upon which the liberals will congratulate themselves while admiring the "Obama Economic Miracle".

The point here is that the economic recovery will be delayed because of the stimulus borrowing, and that if we hadn't borrowed the 820 billion, the economy would have been better today.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Toymann]You clowns have had the ball without interferrence for the past year and a half and what do you have to show for it? [/QUOTE]I fear you need remedial studies in a number of areas including economics, government and politics.

Although, you assuredly know a thing, two or ten about chica selection, relations, enjoyment and mongering, your fact-free and error filled comments indicate that you know Jack shit about basic economics, politics and government in general.

To start with, among the things the American people have to show for the past 14 months of Obama's policies is the beginning of an economic recovery, as acknowledged by virtually every sentient economist and documented with every salient economic statistic. (Even El Alamo admits this!

Remember when that eloquent economist-in-chief George W. Bush said: "This sucker could go down"? Well thanks to Obama, the Ds, and Ben Bernanke among others, the sucker is breathing new life.

To wit:

1. Rather than negative GDP growth, we have positive growth.

2. Rather than losing half a million jobs a month as we did just as W left Dodge, we are adding tens of thousands of new jobs every week.

3. Housing and retail are turning around.

4. Financial markets, though volatile, are way up since W went back to Houston.

The numbers - should you care to do a little research - are all available and all point to the fact that as the TARP stabilized the financial system, the stimulus spending primed the pump and kept the economy from going into cardiac arrest. There is a long way to go and because the economy is like a person who has been in a serious crash, it will need a long time to heal even with the best medicine and the most intelligent care.

Please spare us the false claims of Ds jamming laws down the public's throat. When 60 Senators and 218 members of Congress, who represent the will of the people by definition and constitutional mandate, vote to pass a law, its called democracy. You know - that system we send our young men and women to fight for in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Your claim the Obama and the Ds have operated without any "interference" since 1/2009 is uninformed - being kind in my description.

To better educate yourself, I recommend you go online and read about how the US Senate actually operates. Look up the terms cloture and filibuster. Read how even a threatened filibuster can thwart an up or down vote on anything.

Check on the incidence of use of these procedures by minority parties pre and post Obama. Then you will "get" how the Rs use "interference" to keep Obama and the Ds from moving the ball down the field.

Since Obama took office the Senate Rs have made a habit of abusing both the cloture and filibuster rules to oppose almost all of his initiatives and cripple the appointment processes. Rather than following past traditions where these obstructive measures were used sparingly on critical legislation, in 2009 and this year the Rs are using them indiscriminately.

It might be better if you left the analysis of the big picture to better informed others - but if for whatever reason you need to vent and offer us all your fact-free ideological rants, hey, shout it out.

But, best you make plans for going on a brain-numbing bender the day after elections in November as crying in your beer may be your ultimate fate.

If things go D, then looking ahead - with continued economic growth, government revenues will increase, safety net spending will diminish and the deficits will begin to fall. Then the conservative naysayers will spend gazillians cleaning the egg off their faces and ties, further stimulating growth.

Finally, after a huge 2012 victory, the O man will continue to lead us to a better world from 2013 to 2017!