2012 Elections in the USA

[quote]Ohio Coal Miners Condemn Obama's 'Absolute lies' and Sherrod Brown, too.

The Obama campaign had seized on rumors started by a local shock jock, David Bloomquist, who claimed the miners had been forced to attend the Romney rally. Mitch Miracle, speaking for the miners, read aloud the two letters they had written and signed.

The letter to Obama read like this:

Dear President Obama:.

We are writing as the employees of American Energy Century Mine in Beallsville, Ohio. You have approved in a running television campaign ads about the Mitt Romney event that was held at our Century coal mine. These ads state that we were forced to attend this rally and that is blatantly false. There are numerous false statements and absolute lies concerning our participation in this event, we, the employees, mostly started by a local shock jock host. Since your approval is attached to these ads, you may not wish to support these mistruths. Why would you lie about the 500 working miners who have signed this letter? We, the employees of Century Mine, would request you immediately stop these false ads. Thank you. Century Mine employees. [snip]

[url]http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/14/Ohio-Coal-miners-condemn-Obama[/url][/quote]Perhaps words do matter, here's a link with more Obama lies, in his own works no less.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4puS-yjwsiE&feature=related[/url]

Even Rachel Maddow calls Obama out in this one.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=PL1dAyaJmSE[/url]

[QUOTE=Esten; 427747]Romney's claims of cronyism have been shown false by CNN and Washington Post:

Completely False. Fact Checking Romney's Claim Of Obama Cronyism And Fisker (CNN)

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plx_alKP0aQ[/url]

4 Pinocchios for an unproven Romney claim of 'crony capitalism'

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/4-pinocchios-for-mitt-romneys-unproven-claim-of-crony-capitalism/2012/07/17/gJQAYuYPsW_blog.html[/url]

I'm sure if they looked into it they could find a bunch of Republicans who received stimulus funds as well. That would be fishy too, huh?

Face it, you just believe what you want to believe.[/QUOTE]I am not sure that having part of the Obama campaign (CNN) fact check their statements is going to reassure objective people. Similarly, having the Washington Post fact check its opposition is inherently wrought with conflicts of interest.

[QUOTE=Dickhead; 427748]Biden has had honesty issues going back to when he got caught plagiarizing:

[url]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2008/08/the_write_stuff.html[/url]

One of the guys running for Congress here has been arrested twice for pissing in public and once for breaking into vending machines. Where the fuck do they get these guys?[/QUOTE]I have always said that Biden was the dumbest man in the Senate, throughout his tenure. I would also posit that he might be the dumbest VP, ever, too (makes Quayle look like a genius).

What are the indicators suggesting that Biden is "the dumbest " senator and VP? How did you measure? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;427754]I have always said that Biden was the dumbest man in the Senate, throughout his tenure. I would also posit that he might be the dumbest VP, ever, too (makes Quayle look like a genius).[/QUOTE]

Rumor and insinuendo. Now let's see who's old enough to get that joke.

I saw a photo over the weekend of Paul Ryan and his wife washing dishes in a soup kitchen. They were the only ones in the photo. I didn't doubt it, though it was clear why he was doing it.

Now the story comes out, it wasn't real. He was washing clean pots just for the photo. Looking more closely at the photo, I must say I don't see any dirty dishes. From what we've seen from Ryan, this doesn't totally surprise me.

Charity president unhappy about Paul Ryan soup kitchen 'photo op'
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/15/charity-president-unhappy-about-paul-ryan-soup-kitchen-photo-op/[/url]

[QUOTE]'We're a faith-based organization; we are apolitical because the majority of our funding is from private donations, ' Antal said in a phone interview Monday afternoon. 'It's strictly in our bylaws not to do it. They showed up there, and they did not have permission. They got one of the volunteers to open up the doors. '

He added: 'The photo-op they did wasn't even accurate. He did nothing. He just came in here to get his picture taken at the dining hall. '

Ryan had stopped by the soup kitchen for about 15 minutes on his way to the airport after his Saturday morning town hall in Youngstown. By the time he arrived, the food had already been served, the patrons had left, and the hall had been cleaned.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Esten; 427764]I saw a photo over the weekend of Paul Ryan and his wife washing dishes in a soup kitchen. They were the only ones in the photo. I didn't doubt it, though it was clear why he was doing it.

Now the story comes out, it wasn't real. He was washing clean pots just for the photo. Looking more closely at the photo, I must say I don't see any dirty dishes. From what we've seen from Ryan, this doesn't totally surprise me.

Charity president unhappy about Paul Ryan soup kitchen 'photo op'

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/15/charity-president-unhappy-about-paul-ryan-soup-kitchen-photo-op/[/url][/QUOTE]Kind of pales compared to the White House handling of the Libya incident. IMHO

[url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/15/krauthammer_on_libya_cover_up_how_could_they_have_thought_they_would_get_away_with_it.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Matt Psyche;427758]What are the indicators suggesting that Biden is "the dumbest " senator and VP? How did you measure? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'd especially be interested in precisely how Spiro Agnew and Dan Quayle graded out on the same metrics.

[QUOTE=Punter 127; 427771]Kind of pales compared to the White House handling of the Libya incident. IMHO.

[url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/15/krauthammer_on_libya_cover_up_how_could_they_have_thought_they_would_get_away_with_it.html[/url][/QUOTE]Not really. I do find it instructive how you consider that giving a confused and erroneous message based upon not really knowing what was happening in the fog of war is somehow worse than planned attempts to fabricate a photo-op that purport to be carrying out charitable acts which are not actually being carried out.

Read it here.

[url]http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/mitt-romney-s-tax-dodge-20121012[/url]

Do the Math!

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romneys-new-math-for-jobs-plan-doesnt-add-up/2012/10/15/fd1d1e1c-170f-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_blog.html[/url]

Here is the break down.

[url]http://www.romneytaxplan.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Member #2041;427778]Not really. I do find it instructive how you consider that giving a confused and erroneous message based upon not really knowing what was happening in the fog of war is somehow worse than planned attempts to fabricate a photo-op that purport to be carrying out charitable acts which are not actually being carried out.[/QUOTE]'Fog of war' which war would that be, and who got us involved in it?

The only fog I see is the one created by the Obama cover up team.

[url]http://taxfoundation.org/article/next-years-tax-brackets[/url]

I thought this was an interesting and somewhat more independent analysis of the tax issue. I am not too sure I want an Obama-sponsored website telling me what Romney's plan is. This article has the added benefit of looking at the House proposal alongside the two candidates' proposals.

I am better off under either candidate's plan, although not grossly so, which is kind of nice.

[QUOTE=Punter 127; 427785]'Fog of war' which war would that be, and who got us involved in it?

The only fog I see is the one created by the Obama cover up team.[/QUOTE]Yes. Fog of War. And to answer your question, it was Al Qaida that got us involved in it.

As far as what you are seeing, perhaps you need to remove your obviously shaded glasses through which you view things.