Buenos Aires - 2002 Reports

LA Larry,

Sorry you had a bad time in Europe and particularly that you got transferred out of the South American territory, that's a real bummer. I've been to BA several times and really can't envision getting enough of the place and the chicas especially, but please, for the sake of really being realistic for the folks that haven't been there, take off your rose colored glasses for a little while and stop telling people that the cabbies are honest and that the place is carte blance "safe." Fact of the matter is, if you read the on-line papers as I do, the latest thing in BA is called "Sequestros Expres" or "Express Kidnappings." This is happening rampantly down there at the moment where people are being kidnapped for a 1000 peso ransom, something most people can afford to have their loved ones back. There was just a story yesterday in Clarin.com about one where the ransom was paid and the kidnappers still murdered the victim with a bullet. This is happening because those people are economically desperate at the moment.

About the cabbies and again maybe I'm privy to some things other Americans aren't since I speak pretty good Spanish, but I had a primer on BA cab safety from none other than one of the honest cabbies himself. He told me to NEVER us a 100 peso note because the cabbies routinely give you change in counterfeit 20 peso notes and to ALWAYS sit in the front besides the cabbie since it's much harder for the cabbie to conceal a weapon if you're right besides him. Lastly, never forget that some of the cabbies are holding the passengers up, picking up accomplices and you to various atm's around town to withdraw the maximum amount of money at each machine. BA safe?

Last time I was there I had an appointment in a certain neighborhood at a large company in broad daylight and my contact warned me not to attempt to walk to this call under any circumstances that I'd be either robbed or harmed in some way without a doubt. I thanked him for that bit of info and took a cab directly to the front door.

So is BA safe? At this moment I'd have to advise anybody that they should enjoy themselves to their fullest but not to forget for a second that this year they're having their record year of policeman being murdered and that it's a major city with phenomenal women and huge prospects for being konked over the head with brass knuckles for the few hundred dollars that you might have in your pocket since these people are on the balls of their ass....no work, no money and no prospects for change in the forseeable future. So yes, Larry, I LOVE this place from the bottom of my heart but please try not to make the people believe that this city is "safe." DownBA

Hey DownBA--

Thanks for setting me straight. My post about BA being safe (and the drivers being honest) was irresponsible. Sorry if I got carried away and mislead anyone.

I wasnt trying to steer anyone wrong. I was basing my post on my own personal experiences in Buenos Aires--which were absurdly safe BUT perhaps mine was an exception to the rule.

(Also--I am a pretty big guy so perhaps I am not the ideal target for most muggers who are looking for an easy mark; I also speak a tiny bit of Spanish and would immediately engage every cab driver in conversation, partially to feel the guy out to gauge where his head was at, and partially to send the driver a message that I was the wrong guy to fuck with).

Anyway--not to beat a dead horse--but compared to the out and out banditos of Central Europe--I still would trust Argentino cabbies 1000 times more than Hungarian, Czech or Russian cabbies.

Anyone thinking about shooting down to BA should take heed of DownBA's prudent words and read the latest reports coming out of Argentina. It very well might have changed drastically since my last trip in March. God knows the people are suffering. Anything is possible given the circumstances.

I still fully intend on going there this Nov or Dec for some R&R, but depending on the situation, I might consider restricting my BA adventures to the Recoleta area if things continue to devolve.

Going to Mar Del Plata doesn't really scare me. I will be staying at the Sheraton. It is a legitimate 5 star hotel. There is a very decent golf course across the street. The beach is a few hundred yards away. AND a fantastic hobby club called Malajocos (?) is a half a block away. And the Sheraton is girl friendly. I will be bringing a different 22 year old superstar up to my suite every night--for $100 or $150 pesos.

I am sorry to disagree with you DownBA, but I think your post about how dangerous Buenos Aires is is not accurate.

I spent 10 days there this month. I am going to be back for 10 more days in the next couple of weeks.

I was in most every part of the city, at different times of the day and night. I never once felt the least bit unsafe.

Will I wander about on the sidewalks, waving Benjamins and blabbering in English? Of course not. If you are foolish enough to wander into Watts or the South Bronx, wearing an Armani suit, you will make yourself a mark. Even in better areas, if you make yourself a mark you will be robbed in Georgetown or Greenwich Village. If you are accosted, just give them what they want and they will go away. You will be out 300 pesos or so, who cares? It's just Monopoly money.

I felt far safer in BsAs than I ever do in LA, NYC, or Chicago, and believe me I saw a lot more cops walking a beat in BsAs then I ever have in an American city.

Uncle Otto's Bottom Line is that you have to use common sense. Bring only a small amount of money out on the town with you, and no credit cards. With taxi fares so low, it is crazy to try to give a cab driver a 100 peso note, break those in the restaurants when you have dinner, or better yet, tell the people in the cambio/exchange place to give you 20 peso notes, as there is very little in town that an average visitor will be buying for 100 pesos except in expensive stores.

A local gave me the suggestion only to hail Radio Taxis or to telephone for them, take this advice as you see fit - I have always hailed cabs without incident.

Tio Otto de Buenos Aires

LA Larry -

Sorry to read you had some bad experiences in Europe. However, remember this: KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. Would any of us know where to go for a good time in Buenos Aires if we hadn't been given the information by our helpful friends who had blazed a trail before us?

I say this because I met several Americans in Buenos Aires who used this information source but have offered NOTHING describing their experiences in BsAs. Even if you think somebody else has gone over the information before, you should POST your experiences, not everybody will go back in the threads and read what has been posted before.

I have some suggestions for you for Eastern Europe, where I have traveled many times, and have had lots and lots of fun. Budapest, in fact, is one of my favorite cities in the world, one which reminds me in some ways of our beloved Buenos Aires. Why not drop me a line and I can give you some suggestions?

And Larry - if you had a bad time in Moscow, Prague, Budapest, and Paris, why didn't you post it in the threads for those cities??????????? It's not bloody likely that somebody who is thinking about a trip to Budapest will read your cautionary tale here in the Buenos Aires thread!!!!!!!

Tio Otto de Buenos Aires
OttoGraham@hotmail.com

otto,

are you talking about ME?

starfe

>Uncle Otto Says:
>I say this because I met several Americans in Buenos Aires who used this >information source but have offered NOTHING describing their experiences in >BsAs.

Ah but dear Tio Otto,

You have been a bit reticent about the "homestretch" in your most amazing report. Do tell us MORE!!!! I'm planning a trip down in December and need a bit more info regarding places and prices and what to expect...

PS
And I plan on posting a veritable hobby guide when I am down there.

Hi, Folks!

I arrived in BA yesterday and resumed my mongering habits.

Before start, take into account that:
- I'm a native "porteño", so language is not an issue for me.
- I do the hobby sparingly. Rarely do I see more than one girl each day.
- This trip will provide me with a lot of non-pro action.

The good news is that I will pursue the off-the-beaten-path places. At least, I hope to have enough time to do so...

To start, I went yesterday to Affaire (Pueyrredon Av. between Paraguay St. and Mansilla st.). The place has a red neon light in the front door, you can't miss it. Since I had a heavy schedule for Monday, I hit the place at 11PM.

Something changed from my previous visit in December: same decoration, same prices (p10 for admission w/drink included, p70 for 30 minutes and p140 for an hour), same rooms (they have rooms available next door, in a sketchy building) but different girls. Quality decreased. I found out later that many of the foreign girls (mainly Paraguayans and Brazilians) didn't return after the holidays because it was unconvenient for them to do business in BA. Certainly, before the devaluation they could send montly a couple of hundred Dollars to their homes. Now, they can send only a quarter of that. Too bad, since these places were once crowded with very nice and simple foreign girls who really took their duties seriously.

Being a Sunday night and before midnight, I spotted very few girls, totaling 6. Some 4s, and perhaps two 5-6s. I chose Carolina, a girl from the Salta province with average legs, average tits and not nearly an hourglass figure, but suggestive lips and great attitude.

As many girls do in Affaire, she approached me, sitted over my lap and started curling me in my tighs and in between, kissing and licking my neck while proposing me to do anything I liked. We chatted for a while (I found out that many off-the-beaten-track places in the provinceside were closed due to problems with the Bonaerense Police) and then headed to the rooms.

As I said before, the rooms are somewhat sketchy. Although clean, these rooms are not like those in an Alberge Transitorio, with so many toys and light fixures. But for a session, that was enough.

She provided what she promised: Good BBBJ (she tried hard, but not her best skill), FS in every position and greek. After that, some massage. The half hour went fast but smooth.

I expect to return during a Thursday, to see if there are more and better girls. Who knows...

My advice: Don't go there if you can spend $100 with a Recoleta girls. You will have a better time.

Respect to safety, things got worse and you shoud be careful. In fact, some homeless teenagers nastly hassled me yesterday when returning home, popping out of the woodward when walking in Santa Fe Av. (Affaire is close to where I stop by, so I walked all the way home). They were 7 or more, and I escaped by hurrying my pace. Last year, nobody would have bothered me like that. However, BA is not Rio or Sao Paulo in security nightmares...yet.

Hope this helps,

Andres

First of all, Larry good to hear you're ok. I was wondering about you. Sorry you have had your locations switched. That really is a shame. I hope we can still hook up in BA or Mar Del Plata in December.


I've been a part of public and private boards for years and you'll always have guys that share and guys that don't. No use complaining about it. (I couldn't believe it when I read below of a guy complaning about "more" info). In a perfect society everything would be simple. We don't live in a perfect society. I know since I posted about 10-12 guys have personally emailed me saying they went down and had a great time. Some posted but most didn't post anything and it doesn't bother me in the least.

I still get emails from a few dudes every week asking for more info than what I posted. All I can say is I take the time to answer almost all of them but PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE before you email me or one of my amigos for information.... go back and read the information we posted. Almost all of it is still right on target and accurate. How anyone can say they don't know what to expect in BA based on these posts is beyond me.

The other thing that I think everyone needs to take into account is the YMMV (you're milage may vary) factor. I personally believe any guy no matter what his age, ethnic background or religion is could score a fabulous time in Buenos Aires. However, some guys will have better luck and have more fun. That is the same no matter where in the world you go. As far as L.A. Larry's and Otto's safety commment. I totally 100% concur with them. I do think DownBA makes a good point but I think news sensationalizes events all the time. Take everything you read from this or any other source with a grain of salt. Remember that common sense always prevails.

Also, when it comes to crime I think that we've all been lucky down in B.A. so far. I still have yet to email, talk or correspond with even one American that has experienced crime in B.A. That to me says a lot. Personally, I think I will always feel safe in the Recoleta area. To me it was paradise. I don't have a need for the "thrill of the hunt" so to speak so everything I needed was in Recoleta. Between the clubs at night, the chicas phone numbers from the clubs, and the internet girls from websites like (www.area-vip.com.ar and www.platynum.com.ar) you could go a while down there with a beauty every day and every night.

Good luck amigos.

Hi !

I need to know one thing. I'm two times this year in BA. October and for New Year. Is it possible to take a girl to "Punta del Este" in Uruguay ? Does anyone know prices for lets say about 4-5 days escort to this place or exists anyone who has experiences there ? this would be very helpful for me to plan my trip better.

I have to recomand a COOL design hotel in BA: www.designsuites.com ! They charge for their junior suites which are looking fantastic right now 70usd + tax !!!!!!

Thanks for your postings or you can contact me directly.

Greetings

Olli

DownBA,
Sounds like Estilo Nuevo Boliche is in the same league as yabba's J&B. The chicas described in these local bars seemed to offer more GFE potential. Thanks.

To OliverM: hey there, you said you would go to BA in December .... what date ??? I am going to BA in December too, arriving on Sat. 26th and leaving on Sat 02nd of November and I'll be staying at the Design Suites Apart for those 7 nights.
And you are right, it looks really cheap compared with what on offer ... I got a quote for 65 USD + taxes (21% VAT).

To everybody else: anybody planning BA in late October, as far as I know it's perfect timing, start of the warm season but not too hot, plenty of chicas around .... any tips where to meet semi-pros or non-pros up to a good night ????

Thank you in advance, rob_roy

Sorry OliverM, I meant October, not December.
I'll be arriving on Sat. 26th of October and leaving after a week, on Sat. 02nd of November ....


[QUOTE]Originally posted by rob_roy5
[i]To OliverM: hey there, you said you would go to BA in December .... what date ??? I am going to BA in December too, arriving on Sat. 26th and leaving on Sat 02nd of November and

1) SAINT: hey Saint, nice to hear from you too. You are the voice of reason on this board and it looks very promising for my voyage to Argentina in December. Lets talk more about the dates when the in the early fall. Would love to show you around Mar Del Plata. (It will be beatifull down there then). Remember the two best hotels in MDP are the Sheraton and Manantiales www.manantiales.com.ar YOU CANT GO WRONG AT EITHER.

2) OLIVER M---Punta del Este in Uruguay is a bad scene in my opinion--although if the truth be known I really don't dig Uruguay at all except for Colonia. The reason why Punta del Este sucks, IMHO, is that its sort of like a Saint Tropez scene with all the attendent attitude and high prices. All the rich and famous South America flock there and bring with them their noveau riche sensibilities. I stay there three days at a work associates hacienda. The streets and clubs are mobbed with youg beautiful girls. I was unable to investigate the hobby scene but there must be one; and regarding your idea of bringing a girl from BA down there. I suppose such a thing is possible. I only question your choice of a destination because of the high prices. Even if money wasnt an a consideration, I would prefer to bring a BA girl to Colonia which is closer, cheap, and romantic. PUNTA DEL ESTE in high season sort of feels like spring break in Cancun, only instead of raging frat boys and girls, you have raging would be models and their trust fund boyfreinds in speedo bathing suits.

3) OTTO--the reason I didnt bother to post my expereinces on those particular city threads is partially out of laziness and partially because my overall feeling was so negative about those cities that I didnt want to start a flame war. As far as I am concerned, there is only really only one place to hobby and that is South America and the Dominican Republic. You mentioned that you enjoyed Budapest, and I dont doubt you. However, the overall vibe given off by everyone--the cabbies, the rip-off strip clubs, the rude hotel staff--Budapest really bothered me ESPECIALLY after my SAINT LIKE experiences in Buenos Aires where virtually every aspect of my adventures was great. I guess what it comes down to is that a typical night in Argentina goes like this for me:

1) a $1.50 taxi to a restaurant in Recoleta

2) a great meal for $8 in a restaurant where I watch a parade of beauties stroll by.

3) Hit a great club Playwoman, Blacks (even the bad joints are fun NewPorts, CuttySark, etc)

4) choose from a selection of some 30 girls all around 7 or 8 rating, all around 22 years old, all better looking than any girl I had in my college days. cost for 2 hours approx 200 pesos

5) back to my 70 peso hotel in the center of the city.

On the other hand, the typical night in Budapest goes like this:

1) cant hail a cab because they are all so fucking dishonest;

2) bad food at western prices OR bad food at hungarian prices

3) the strip clubs are a complete joke run by brazen gangsters--the girls attitudes are terrible.They come across like they are enslaved by there employers

4) back to my hotel room ($260) and too tired to jerk off.

You get the picutre.

You tell em Larry. That was my experience there as well. It will be a long time before I go back. Thanks for all your input to the board. Your postings are first rate.

Larry,
Nicely done. I appreciate hearing about the bad as well as the good, and get a sense of context and comparison. You are also right that some posters are single destination centric, and will challenge any difference in opinion.