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What's really sad is this is from 2011, which was the last time Congress and the White House played this stupid game. He's right, it's not the Repubs, it's not the Dems, its both and the corrupt system which has become American Politics.
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIcqb9hHQ3E[/URL]
Less than 2 days to go, the presents are already under X'mas tree. Will your wish come true? That's what you guys really wanted, right. I can hear the celebrations already. Please, please, don't play the blame game. No more excuses, no more victimization when you shoot yourself in the foot. Don't say the gun wasn't loaded!
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436110]Ha Ha!
The whole thing is tooo funny.
Except for the people out of work.[/QUOTE]Hey WT,
Can you explain that cartoon?
It appears to be portraying ObamaCare as saving a patient, but that's exactly the opposite of what's happening.
Anyway, it looks like one of your typical, completely unintelligible parodies, but maybe I'm wrong.
Thanks,
Jax.
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436114]With the oncoming delays of SS payments, it looks like my lifestyle will be severely impacted.[/QUOTE]Black Shirt,
You were fucked the day they started deducting SS from your 1st paycheck.
It's unfortunate that it took you all these years to figure that out.
My personal retirement plans do [U]NOT[/U] include any dependency on any government, but maybe that's just me.
Thanks,
Jax.
[QUOTE=Jackson;436121]Black Shirt,
You were fucked the day they started deducting SS from your 1st paycheck.
It's unfortunate that it took you all these years to figure that out.
My personal retirement plans do [U]NOT[/U] include any dependency on any government, but maybe that's just me.
Thanks,
Jax.[/QUOTE]And he wants to know which of my rights have been violated. I had to, not wanted too, get a SSN in 1941.
You all remember 1941 don't you?
Don B
[QUOTE=DonB;436122]And he wants to know which of my rights have been violated. I had to, not wanted too, get a SSN in 1941.
You all remember 1941 don't you?
Don B[/QUOTE]1941 eh. And then what happen?
America embarked on it's greatest era that mankind has seen. Yes, you suffered so much! The 2 cents they took from you was too much. Life was unbearable. Go head, tell me more.
[QUOTE=Jackson;436121]Black Shirt,
You were fucked the day they started deducting SS from your 1st paycheck.
It's unfortunate that it took you all these years to figure that out.
My personal retirement plans do [U]NOT[/U] include any dependency on any government, but maybe that's just me.
Thanks,
Jax.[/QUOTE]There's alot to learn about Self Dependency. It can even be said that it is the difference between winners & losers. But how are you going to get rich unless there is a big market of "losers". Oh yes, it has been said, that "behind every big fortune, is a crime". In America, unfortunately, many criminal activity have been made legal.
Ever since the masses started to trek from rural to urban centers for employment and a better life, government intrusion became a necessity. It's as simple as that. I don't know why that is so hard to understand. As you know, SS was born from the ruins of the Great Depression. That it is not funded correctly at this moment does not mean it is a disaster. It can be fixed, very easily, too. The inadequacies, the mess, is not on the people receiving SS, it is on the representatives in Washington that is funded by by Special Interests. Again, corruption made legal.
I won't go into why human behavior is not animal behavior. But I will save it for another day.
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436126]
Ever since the masses started to trek from rural to urban centers for employment and a better life, government intrusion became a necessity.[/QUOTE]Black Shirt, what exactly makes government "intrusion" "necessary"? Just because a portion of our population moved from rural to urban centers does not make the case for more government intrusion into their lives and once the government began to intrude it most certainly did not stop at the urban city limits.
Regarding the social security system, had all the funds collected been set aside for that specific purpose instead of being placed in the General Fund for the pigs in Washington to spend the system would be in much better shape today. Another factor is all the "additional benefits" added to the program over the years which were never envisioned at the program's inception and again the fund would have been more solvent that it is today.
But this is only crying over spilled milk. The plan can be salvaged but many of the benefits will have to be reduced and in some cases terminated. When you consider the participation factor in the work force today I see no other way to remedy the problem.
We can not simply continue to print bogus money which fuels structural deficient or we will shortly become the next Argentina and then Greece. We need to put our fiscal house in order and the Democrats have no intention of doing that so long as they can buy votes with give away programs.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436127]Black Shirt, what exactly makes government "intrusion" "necessary"? Just because a portion of our population moved from rural to urban centers does not make the case for more government intrusion into their lives and once the government began to intrude it most certainly did not stop at the urban city limits.
Regarding the social security system, had all the funds collected been set aside for that specific purpose instead of being placed in the General Fund for the pigs in Washington to spend the system would be in much better shape today. Another factor is all the "additional benefits" added to the program over the years which were never envisioned at the program's inception and again the fund would have been more solvent that it is today.
But this is only crying over spilled milk. The plan can be salvaged but many of the benefits will have to be reduced and in some cases terminated. When you consider the participation factor in the work force today I see no other way to remedy the problem.
We can not simply continue to print bogus money which fuels structural deficient or we will shortly become the next Argentina and then Greece. We need to put our fiscal house in order and the Democrats have no intention of doing that so long as they can buy votes with give away programs.[/QUOTE]We need congressional term limits, we need electoral finance reforms. The country has been very sick for a long time. How do you teach people how to save when Big Business, Big Banks are tempting & encouraging people to stretch their credit to the limit. The Greed culture has taken over big time, dignity & shame have disappear.
Government Intrusion might have been the wrong term of what I wanted to say. World has change, population shifts have change. When people are living in very close proximity, there are just more regulations in general than in a rural setting, hence more government. Crime, safety, pollution, etc. And of course, there is the need for more funding for infrastructure and services, etc It is not just a simple world anymore, just read the front page of your local people. As I write this, Hannity is saying he is not a Republican, as he repeats the mantra that the American people are going to get screw by ObamaCare. Fearmongering at its best The joke is, why not let ObamaCare fall on its face. From repealing now to just delaying it, the Republicans have try to blame the fiasco to Obama. No leadership is another often cited accusation. No shame.
Win the elections, and you can do anything you want. I won't say a world.
The Fucking Tea Party and a few Republicans Lost!
And that also means some of the hard core Independents that do not know where they stand for Our County.
That means the King Crab Fishing that opened yesterday will now get there permits to Crab and make a living.
Most of their Crabs are sold world wild, Japan and China are the most buyers.
It is call World Wide Economics, that the Reptilians tried to kill and blame on Obama through their Racist politics.
They cost the growth of the country 25 billion dollars in loses.
You are Rich enough to not Need Health Care, and that you can use Argentina's Socialist Free Health Care.
Come on Tell Us that you Never Used It?
That You always Flew back to Florida for a medical check ups and all your teeth cleanings etcs., and that you never got those bad hair cuts from those cheap bad haircuts guys in B. A.? You saved what $10 or $15. Did You Tip Them?
[QUOTE=Jackson;436120]Hey WT,
Can you explain that cartoon?
It appears to be portraying [b]Affordable Health Care Act[/b] [b][i]Not the Racist Term,[/b][/i] ObamaCare as saving a patient, but that's exactly the opposite of what's happening.
Anyway, it looks like one of your typical, completely unintelligible parodies, but maybe I'm wrong.
Thanks,
Jax.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436128]We need congressional term limits, we need electoral finance reforms. The country has been very sick for a long time. How do you teach people how to save when Big Business, Big Banks are tempting & encouraging people to stretch their credit to the limit. The Greed culture has taken over big time, dignity & shame have disappear.
Government Intrusion might have been the wrong term of what I wanted to say. World has change, population shifts have change. When people are living in very close proximity, there are just more regulations in general than in a rural setting, hence more government. Crime, safety, pollution, etc. And of course, there is the need for more funding for infrastructure and services, etc It is not just a simple world anymore, just read the front page of your local people. As I write this, Hannity is saying he is not a Republican, as he repeats the mantra that the American people are going to get screw by ObamaCare. Fearmongering at its best The joke is, why not let ObamaCare fall on its face. From repealing now to just delaying it, the Republicans have try to blame the fiasco to Obama. No leadership is another often cited accusation. No shame.
Win the elections, and you can do anything you want. I won't say a world.[/QUOTE]At least we can agree on term limits and some type of campaign finance reform, but term limits would go a long way to solving the problem. Limit them to one term of 4 to 6 years, only one term at the state level and one at the federal level, with the additional caveat no consulting for 10 years from their last day in office. This would have the effect of limiting them to a total of 12 years max then they have to go back to work. No more professional politicians. It becomes too expensive for the special interests of Republican / Democrat to keep buying politicians and by the time they can hire them as consultants they are irrelevant.
Where I don't agree with you is the spending, no matter the enticement individuals make the decision to spend. No one is holding a gun to their head, so don't blame industries or businesses for individual choice and conduct.
I agree with you on ObamaCare as well, stop trying to defund it, let it go into effect and let the voters decide at the mid-terms in 2014. The websites are failing and people are already getting sticker shock from the new premiums.
By the way, both sides lie with ease about any issue and the politics of personal destruction runs riot on both sides of the isle. The first victim of politics is the truth.
[URL]http://www.amberpawlik.com/BorrowingAndPrinting.html[/URL]
An interesting article about the current mess.
Don B
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436132]At least we can agree on term limits and some type of campaign finance reform, but term limits would go a long way to solving the problem. Limit them to one term of 4 to 6 years, only one term at the state level and one at the federal level, with the additional caveat no consulting for 10 years from their last day in office. This would have the effect of limiting them to a total of 12 years max then they have to go back to work. No more professional politicians. It becomes too expensive for the special interests of Republican / Democrat to keep buying politicians and by the time they can hire them as consultants they are irrelevant.
Where I don't agree with you is the spending, no matter the enticement individuals make the decision to spend. No one is holding a gun to their head, so don't blame industries or businesses for individual choice and conduct.
I agree with you on ObamaCare as well, stop trying to defund it, let it go into effect and let the voters decide at the mid-terms in 2014. The websites are failing and people are already getting sticker shock from the new premiums.
By the way, both sides lie with ease about any issue and the politics of personal destruction runs riot on both sides of the isle. The first victim of politics is the truth.[/QUOTE]
Until there is a fundamental change in ideas the trend towards Fascism will continue. With term limits we will mostly get just another group with the same corrupt philosophy.
The place to change the ideas is in the schools but as there is a government monopoly on education it is an uphill battle. The university faculties are predominately leftist, especially the philosophy department, so another battle. However, there is progress being made but I do not expect to see a reversal in my lifetime but maybe my granddaughters will.
Don B
[QUOTE=Jackson;436120]Hey WT,
Can you explain that cartoon?
It appears to be portraying ObamaCare as saving a patient, but that's exactly the opposite of what's happening.
Anyway, it looks like one of your typical, completely unintelligible parodies, but maybe I'm wrong.
Thanks,
Jax.[/QUOTE]It's pretty simple. The aims of the guy in the white lab coat are more in line with Josef Mengele's than Albert Schweitzer's. The elephant is toast.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436131]You are Rich enough to not Need Health Care, and that you can use Argentina's Socialist Free Health Care.
Come on Tell Us that you Never Used It?
[/QUOTE]
WT69, Please note that Jackson has praised "Argentina's Socialist Free Health Care" system here, but noted that U.S. politicians don't have the gonads to try something similar.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436131]You are Rich enough to not Need Health Care, and that you can use Argentina's Socialist Free Health Care.
Come on Tell Us that you Never Used It?
That You always Flew back to Florida for a medical check ups and all your teeth cleanings etcs., and that you never got those bad hair cuts from those cheap bad haircuts guys in B. A.? You saved what $10 or $15. Did You Tip Them?[/QUOTE]All that talk, and you still can't explain the meaning of your cartoon.
I just received the health insurance quote from my carrier for the new policy period beginning 12/01/13 and guess what it's 12% higher after a 10% increase from the prior year. What was that you were saying Mr. President about costs going DOWN? Since my healthcare carrier and all the carriers we reviewed don't give a damn about George Bush any more nor do they price to please Fox News I'm not sure what to make of this increase. Perhaps reality is catching up with the President's fantasy of "free" healthcare?
Obama was complaining about Fox News again regarding why so many people don't like ObamaCare here is Neil Cavuto's response, sorry WT69 no cartoon with this one.
[QUOTE]Subject: Fwd: Obama blames Fox News for 2/3 of Americans not liking Obamacare
Obama is blaming Fox News for 2/3 of the country disliking Obamacare. Here's Neal Cavuto's explanation and it is great. If you don't understand what is bad about ObamaCare please read his comments and you will understand.
Mr. President, Fox News isn't what's making Americans sick about your healthcare law. Your healthcare law is. Welcome, everybody, I'm Neil Cavuto. And excuse this departure from form. But I think this is just poor form. So, it's time we set some things straight.
Mr. President, we at Fox News are not the problem. I hate to break it to you, sir. You are. Your words are. Your promises are. We didn't sell this healthcare law. Sir, you did. Remember this?
President Barack Obama: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period.
Mr. President, tell that to tens of thousands of retirees at IBM and Time Warner and dozens of others, who've been dumped from their coverage and told to find their own coverage. Fox News didn't break that news to them, Mr. President. Their companies did.
Fox News didn't push more of those firms to hire part-time workers. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't incentivize fast food restaurants to scale back their benefits. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make doctors want to opt out. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make insurance premiums sky rocket. Your healthcare law did. Just like Fox News didn't grant hundreds of exemptions to companies that needed them. You did. And Fox News didn't delay one key provision after another, including online enrollment for those small business exchanges. You did.
Just like it wasn't Fox News that said we had to pass this to see what was in this. You did. Or was that Nancy Pelosi? Sometimes I'm confused. But of this I am not. Fox News didn't re-do basic math. Sir, you did. Fox News didn't say you can cover 30 million more Americans and not see a hit in premiums. You did. Fox News didn't say you could throw in those with pre-existing conditions and not have to pay for it. You did. Fox News didn't all but say you could get something for nothing. You did. Fox News didn't come back years later and say, oh yea, we did raise some taxes. You did.
Here's where you are right about Fox News, however, Mr. President. We can do math. And did. You cannot. And did not. We said it, and proved it. You didn't. And we're all suffering for it. Take it from the numbers guy at Fox. Numbers don't lie. The number of Americans working part-time and nervous. The number of retirees days away from being dumped on exchanges and anxious. The number of company bosses with any news to pass along on those exchanges, but still clueless. The number of doctors who want out. The number of congressmen now opting out. No, Mr. President, none of those numbers lie.
But with all due respect sir, I can only conclude you do know; I know, I know you hate us at Fox. But please take a look in a mirror, and fast. You think we're the skunk at your picnic. But that doesn't mean we're the ones that stink. Because that smell isn't coming from the folks reporting on your law. Mr. President, that smell is your law.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436138]I just received the health insurance quote from my carrier for the new policy period beginning 12/01/13 and guess what it's 12% higher after a 10% increase from the prior year. What was that you were saying Mr. President about costs going DOWN? Since my healthcare carrier and all the carriers we reviewed don't give a damn about George Bush any more nor do they price to please Fox News I'm not sure what to make of this increase. Perhaps reality is catching up with the President's fantasy of "free" healthcare?
Obama was complaining about Fox News again regarding why so many people don't like ObamaCare here is Neil Cavuto's response, sorry WT69 no cartoon with this one.[/QUOTE]
Don't worry about your rates increasing. Once there was a discussion about government education on another forum, I had pointed out that not only were the students not receiving an education but that it was immoral to use force to fund these schools. I suggested that being good little altruists they should pay that part of my property tax bills that went towards funding government schools. Strangely that ended the discussion. However certainly that will not be the case here and, Black Shirt, et al will kick in the difference for you.
BTW, adjusted for inflation, in the 37 years in my current residence I have been looted of around $750,000 (slightly more than 2 cents) in property taxes. Of course not all went to the schools, much of the balance went towards very generous pension plans.
Don B
A woman went to her doctor for advice.
She told him that her husband had developed a penchant for anal sex, and she was not sure that it was such a good idea.
"Do you enjoy it?" The doctor asked.
"Actually, yes, I do," she answered.
"Does it hurt you?" he asked.
"No. I rather like it," she responded.
"Well, then," the doctor continued, "there's no reason that you shouldn't practice anal sex, if that's what you like, so long as you take care not to get pregnant.
The woman was mystified. "What? You can get pregnant from anal sex?
"Of course," the doctor replied. "Where do you think people like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Feinstein, Mayor Bloomberg, Chuck Schumer and Barak Obama came from?
TL.
Microsoft software wasn't perfect when it came out. It still needs work.
I am sure changes will be made to make the "Affordable Heath Care" work.
I am sure Argentina's Health Care System was not perfect when it came out.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;436135]It's pretty simple. The aims of the guy in the white lab coat are more in line with Josef Mengele's than Albert Schweitzer's. The elephant is toast.
WT69, Please note that Jackson has praised "Argentina's Socialist Free Health Care" system here, but noted that U.S. politicians don't have the gonads to try something similar.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436141]Microsoft software wasn't perfect when it came out. It still needs work.
I am sure changes will be made to make the "Affordable Heath Care" work.
I am sure Argentina's Health Care System was not perfect when it came out.[/QUOTE]
I assume your first, for that matter, all computer purchases were voluntary, no penalty if you did not buy one.
It is not just that Obama-care will not work it is immoral.
OTH, if as many say, it was designed to fail, blame the free enterprise system and institute a single payer system for all then it will be a success, for the leftists, that is.
There was a letter in the local paper today extolling the virtues of Medicare. The man had some chest tumors that if not remove would have killed him. Then he goes on to say the biggest problem is overpopulation and something must be done about it. He may get his wish next time he needs something.
Don B
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436141]Microsoft software wasn't perfect when it came out. It still needs work.
I am sure changes will be made to make the "Affordable Heath Care" work.
I am sure Argentina's Health Care System was not perfect when it came out.[/QUOTE]All that talk, and you still can't explain the meaning of your cartoon.
Next issue, immigration reform. Obama's bait that will make the Tea Party dive in kamakazi style again. They will try to nail Obama to the cross. You will hear language that will make your mother's face go pale. Is the same angry crowd again.
Once more, Obama is holding very good cards. The grand strategy to winning the mid terms in 2014. There is no way that the GOP will lose the house, right. Don't be so sure. You start that shit again that you try with ObamaCare, and you go all in. You will come out naked, with no money, no pants, and a limp dick. The GOP leadership knows it, but you guys in AP, do you know it?
Mongers-.
Why is there not more talk on this thread about how these pathetic, cowardly Republican congressional members manufactured this crisis and then didn't have the balls to hold their ground when Obama refused to negotiate? The fact that these self-proclaimed capitalist heroes could even bring the notion of default to the table (even more amazing as the US prints the very money it sells debt in, a rarity) shows they are nothing but a group of moronic redneck racists intent on simply doing anything they can to clash with Obama. Get ready for Hillary in 2016 and Corey Booker whenever Hillary is done.
Suerte,
Rock Harders.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436138]I just received the health insurance quote from my carrier for the new policy period beginning 12/01/13 and guess what it's 12% higher after a 10% increase from the prior year. What was that you were saying Mr. President about costs going DOWN? Since my healthcare carrier and all the carriers we reviewed don't give a damn about George Bush any more nor do they price to please Fox News I'm not sure what to make of this increase. Perhaps reality is catching up with the President's fantasy of "free" healthcare?[/QUOTE]10% and 12%. Hmmm. And how much of that premium increase is due to the Affordable Care Act? You don't know do you. This is typical Fox News narrow-focus, out-of-context information for the Low Information Voter.
Those increases are indeed higher than normal, but only a few percent. From 1999 to 2009, the average family premium increased from $5791 to $13375. There is a long-term trend of increasing healthcare costs and insurance premiums. Annual increases were in the range 10-13% between 2000-2004, and 5-9% between 2005-2009. Most of your premium increase is part of this long-term trend, and only a few percent is attributable to ACA. In return the ACA provides several improvements in coverage. Whether you want or like the improvements is obviously a different question.
When Obama said costs would go down, he was referring to specific groups of people. I'll agree he did not equally say that costs would go up for some. Personally, I never expected my own premium to go down, and I think most Americans with employer-provided healthcare never had such an expectation either. BTW, back in 2011 CMS projected a big bump in 2014 (when the bulk of the law kicks in) — a 9.4% increase in private insurance spending (close to Doppel's numbers) — before its estimates come back down to around 6%. 2014 is a bit of a blip. Just putting the numbers in context, Doppel.
[URL]http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/your-health-care-benefits-in-charts/?_r=0[/URL]
[URL]http://www.factcheck.org/2011/10/factchecking-health-insurance-premiums/[/URL]
Good anal sex joke TL, though it was stolen and modified by some NRA member (you can tell from the names referenced).
Still it's just a joke. The real life story is the assfucking Republicans just took.
[QUOTE=Esten;436147]10% and 12%. Hmmm. And how much of that premium increase is due to the Affordable Care Act? You don't know do you. Those increases are indeed higher than normal, but only a few percent. From 1999 to 2009, the average family premium increased from $5791 to $13375. There is a long-term trend of increasing healthcare costs and insurance premiums. Annual increases were in the range 10-13% between 2000-2004, and 5-9% between 2005-2009. Most of your premium increase is part of this long-term trend, and only a few percent is attributable to ACA. In return the ACA provides several improvements in coverage. Whether you want or like the improvements is obviously a different question.
When Obama said costs would go down, he was referring to specific groups of people. I'll agree he did not equally say that costs would go up for some. Personally, I never expected my own premium to go down, and I think most Americans with employer-provided healthcare never had such an expectation either. BTW, back in 2011 CMS projected a big bump in 2014 (when the bulk of the law kicks in) — a 9.4% increase in private insurance spending (close to Doppel's numbers) — before its estimates come back down to around 6%. 2014 is a bit of a blip. Just putting the numbers in context, Doppel.
[URL]http://www.factcheck.org/2011/10/factchecking-health-insurance-premiums/[/URL][/QUOTE]Esten, did you even look at the graph from Fact Check which clearly shows a steep downward trend in premium increases during the time period you are referencing?
First the ten year time period you just referenced, 1999 to 2009 and I would like to see some facts to back those premiums, with the associated increase in premiums was 131% or an average of 13% per year, yet your Fact Check graph clearly shows a steep decrease in premiums increases over that same period. Your graph clearly shows a steep increase in premiums after ObamaCare's elements began taking effect.
Are you trying to tell me as ObamaCare forces insurance companies to eliminate lifetime caps and mandates specific treatments be covered by the insurance company at no cost to the patient the cost of insurance is going down while forcing companies to give more "free" care away? By the way for you liberals there is no "free" someone is paying for it.
Second, Obama stated flatly you can keep you insurance if you like it, you can keep your physician and he unequivocally stated PREMIUMS WOULD GO DOWN. None of which is true. If I were you I would not be quoting the Congressional Budget Office since they have gotten the cost of ObamaCare wrong from the beginning as the cost even by their estimates has increased significantly.
The increases I have seen in the last two years are greater than those from 5 years combined. My coverage has not changed, my group size and health profile has not changed for many years, so don't stand there and tell me a 23% increase is not related to ObamaCare unless of course you have some hard data which I don't see.
Last but not least the Federal Government now determines what type of coverage you "need" rather you want it or not. What's next they choose your condom, toilet paper, toothpaste, and what Chica's your allowed to bone!
First it is cartoon, that I did not make.
It is obvious what it means. The naysayers say the "Affordable Heath Care" will not work. The anarchistic Tea Party and some republicans do not want the government to work.
They fought it and lost and now they need to be patched up.
They said about the Wright Brothers; that it was immoral to fly. "It we were made to fly we would have wings."
[URL]http://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-by-date/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/heres-a-map-of-the-countries-that-provide-universal-health-care-americas-still-not-on-it/259153/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Jackson;436143]All that talk, and you still can't explain the meaning of your cartoon.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RockHarders;436145]Mongers-.
Why is there not more talk on this thread about how these pathetic, cowardly Republican congressional members manufactured this crisis and then didn't have the balls to hold their ground when Obama refused to negotiate? The fact that these self-proclaimed capitalist heroes could even bring the notion of default to the table (even more amazing as the US prints the very money it sells debt in, a rarity) shows they are nothing but a group of moronic redneck racists intent on simply doing anything they can to clash with Obama. Get ready for Hillary in 2016 and Corey Booker whenever Hillary is done.
Suerte,
Rock Harders.[/QUOTE]Yep, if you're not on Obama's side you're a redneck and a racist.
What did suicide bombers, Australians at Gallipoli, Texans at the Alamo, and Congressmen taking orders from Ted Cruz have in common? You might accuse them of stupidity, but sure as hell not cowardice.
Since you clearly believe the "crisis" was bad for the country, why do you say they didn't have the balls to hold their ground? That attitude, refusing to change course when fact or circumstances dictate otherwise, is the cause of a lot of pain, suffering and death. You need to lighten up on the testosterone injections.
While I believe the Tea Party's tactics recently have bordered on moronic, I wholeheartedly share their goals. Some of those on the left here, who have commented about how large financial companies and certain other special interests are in bed with government, need to take their heads out of the sand. There's only one group in American politics that would do something about that, and it's sure as hell not Democrats or mainstream Republicans.
For those of you that are cartoon Challenged.
The GOP is in such disarray that they are attacking each other.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436152]First it is cartoon, that I did not make.
It is obvious what it means. The naysayers say the "Affordable Heath Care" will not work. The anarchistic Tea Party and some republicans do not want the government to work.
They fought it and lost and now they need to be patched up.[/QUOTE]Really? Because I interpret the cartoon completely differently.
In your cartoon, the battered Republican elephant is about to be saved by ObamaCare.
Here's how that will actually happen: When the American people realize that their health insurance premiums are skyrocketing, that they can't keep their doctors because their existing policies are being eliminated, that millions of jobs are being restructured to part-time positions to avoid the employer mandate, that the individual mandate forces millions of healthy younger Americans to pay for policies that are double and triple what they should be paying for their risk group, then the ensuing anti-ObamaCare backlash will in fact rescue the Republican party.
Thanks,
Jax.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436154]For those of you that are cartoon Challenged.
The GOP is in such disarray that they are attacking each other.[/QUOTE]Please No WT!
Not the Sacred Alamo of the Great Republic of Texas!
Or the Great American Sports Bar in BA!
I guess that the Great Republic of Texas is one huge Sports Bar too!
The Cowboys may be America's Team but the Oilers are Texas' Team! (Texans).
Texas, the Only State that has the Right to Succeed from the Onion! (Union?).
Ja!
Come on Boys!
Let's talk about Latin Pussy for a while!
TL.
This is from a friend of mine who's a die hard Democrat and Obama supporter. He was writing to a couple of Democrat buddies and forwarded to me as an afterthought. He has cancer and is getting treated in California even though he lives in Nevada.
[b][i]It looks like the Republicans were right.
My guaranteed issue health insurance is being cancelled as Welpoint can do that if they withdraw from the personal insurance market in the state. My choices are limited to one of the Obamacare plans that are basically all HMO-type plans with limited hospitals/cancer centers/heart centers. You don't have a choice of where to be treated if you get sick , at any price point.
You can only go to the approved places, which in Nevada....suck[/b][/i]
My insurance is being canceled too as a result of the Affordable Care Act, as the insurance company is abandoning my state.
And now, to placate TL, Latin pussy kicks ass!
[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;436159]Please No WT!
Not the Sacred Alamo of the Great Republic of Texas!
Or the Great American Sports Bar in BA!
I guess that the Great Republic of Texas is one huge Sports Bar too!
The Cowboys may be America's Team but the Oilers are Texas' Team! (Texans).
Texas, the Only State that has the Right to Succeed from the Onion! (Union?).
Ja!
Come on Boys!
Let's talk about Latin Pussy for a while!
TL.[/QUOTE][URL]http://news.yahoo.com/armed-gun-rights-activists-rally-alamo-181856390.html[/URL]
Sometimes Mexican Food is good enough!
TL.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;436161]This is from a friend of mine who's a die hard Democrat and Obama supporter. He was writing to a couple of Democrat buddies and forwarded to me as an afterthought. He has cancer and is getting treated in California even though he lives in Nevada.
[b][i]It looks like the Republicans were right.
My guaranteed issue health insurance is being cancelled as Welpoint can do that if they withdraw from the personal insurance market in the state. My choices are limited to one of the Obamacare plans that are basically all HMO-type plans with limited hospitals/cancer centers/heart centers. You don't have a choice of where to be treated if you get sick , at any price point.
You can only go to the approved places, which in Nevada....suck[/b][/i]
My insurance is being canceled too as a result of the Affordable Care Act, as the insurance company is abandoning my state.[/QUOTE]Oh great, mighty and all knowing Esten, please explain how this could be happening under the Great Obamanations healthcare plan.
While your at it you can also explain why anyone even able to get through the website can't enroll and purchase insurance. What about the sticker shock as folks see their renewal rates as they are now forced to purchase plans with coverage mandated by ObamaCare but they don't want.
I say let it take affect in all it's glory and by November 2014 no one will remember the Slimdown, all they will see is the huge hole ObamaCare has burned in their pocket for care they don't want from hospitals and physicians they were forced to select.
Ask the Cartoonist what he meant by it?
Tom Toles, of the Washington Post.
[QUOTE=Jackson;436155]Really? Because I interpret the cartoon completely differently.
In your cartoon, the battered Republican elephant is about to be saved by ObamaCare.
Here's how that will actually happen: When the American people realize that their health insurance premiums are skyrocketing, that they can't keep their doctors because their existing policies are being eliminated, that millions of jobs are being restructured to part-time positions to avoid the employer mandate, that the individual mandate forces millions of healthy younger Americans to pay for policies that are double and triple what they should be paying for their risk group, then the ensuing anti-ObamaCare backlash will in fact rescue the Republican party.
Thanks,
Jax.[/QUOTE][blue]===========================================================[/blue]
[b]EDITOR's NOTE:[/b] [blue]Greetings everyone,
Effective immediately, WT69 is limited to posting his own original thoughts, and is thus restrained from posting commentary, cartoons or links to articles authored by other individuals.
Clearly, if you can't even explain your own plagiarized text or cartoons, then you're out of your depth and wasting all of our time in the process.
I was forced to invoke this rule before with WT69, but I let the enforcement slide, and thus we're back to dealing with the same pointless, repetitive stupidity.
I realize that this will effectively prevent WT69 from posting in the political threads because he has never written or expressed an original thought as his entire political philosophy amounts to regurgitating the swill fed to him by the Democratic Party, his own union brainwashers, and Rachael Maddow.
At least Esten, Black Shirt, Rock Harders and other Obama syncophants write their own material.
Thanks,
Jackson
PS: Please note how I composed my comments without resorting to traditional liberal name-calling.[/blue]
We have now moved into prime time for the Affordable Care Act detractors to take their best shots. Roll-out glitches, and sticker shock or plan cancellations for some. After a few months when the dust settles, we'll see where things stand.
It shouldn't be too surprising that a major change to the US healthcare system would involve some degree of disruption and unwanted side effects. The detractors will continue their narrow focus on these things. But the big picture is different. Most people will be able to keep their insurance, and will not see a big premium increase. That's because most people are in the group insurance market not the individual market where the most significant changes are happening. The best the detractors can hope for is a revolt in the individual market. But countering that are all those who will now be able to buy affordable insurance in the individual market, compared to where they were before. Along with the Chezz-like anecdotes are 476,000 people who filed applications in the first 2 weeks.
Here's a good link. It cites an assessment that the average ACA premium increase in the group market is around 2%. Just what I told Doppel.
Sen. Ted Cruz says premiums have gone 'up and up and up' for 'virtually every person'.
PolitiFact Rated: FALSE
[URL]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/oct/17/ted-cruz/sen-ted-cruz-says-premiums-have-gone-virtually-eve/[/URL]
Obama is guilty of glossing over the undesired effects, though he did modify his "you'll be able to keep your insurance" line to state that nothing in the ACA forced this. Obviously, Obama can't control the decisions of individual insurance companies in where they decide to compete. OTOH, we have a lot of misinformation and fear-mongering from the right (no surprise). The truth is somewhere in the middle. Though IMO much closer to Obama's side.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436152][URL]http://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-by-date/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/heres-a-map-of-the-countries-that-provide-universal-health-care-americas-still-not-on-it/259153/[/URL][/QUOTE]Who gives a fuck what other countries are doing?
Do you believe that they've got some magic formula for success that has eluded the American people?
Oh, right. I forgot. Liberals do not believe that America is a great country.
Thanks,
Jax.
Because they care more about their peoples Health than your Conservatives buddies.
All your views are learned from they same place as I get mine. I read, I watch, I listen.
It seems that most Americans can weed out the shit from the bad ones, but not the Republication Party and the Tea Party.
That's why Obama was elected. The people need help, not their quality of life taking away.
[QUOTE=Jackson;436175]Who gives a fuck what other countries are doing?
Do you believe that they've got some magic formula for success that has eluded the American people?
Oh, right. I forgot. Liberals do not believe that America is a great country.
Thanks,
Jax.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Esten;436173]We have now moved into prime time for the Affordable Care Act detractors to take their best shots. Roll-out glitches, and sticker shock or plan cancellations for some. After a few months when the dust settles, we'll see where things stand.
It shouldn't be too surprising that a major change to the US healthcare system would involve some degree of disruption and unwanted side effects. The detractors will continue their narrow focus on these things. But the big picture is different. Most people will be able to keep their insurance, and will not see a big premium increase. That's because most people are in the group insurance market not the individual market where the most significant changes are happening. The best the detractors can hope for is a revolt in the individual market. But countering that are all those who will now be able to buy affordable insurance in the individual market, compared to where they were before. Along with the Chezz-like anecdotes are 476,000 people who filed applications in the first 2 weeks.
Here's a good link. It cites an assessment that the average ACA premium increase in the group market is around 2%. Just what I told Doppel.
Sen. Ted Cruz says premiums have gone 'up and up and up' for 'virtually every person'.
PolitiFact Rated: FALSE
[URL]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/oct/17/ted-cruz/sen-ted-cruz-says-premiums-have-gone-virtually-eve/[/URL]
Obama is guilty of glossing over the undesired effects, though he did modify his "you'll be able to keep your insurance" line to state that nothing in the ACA forced this. Obviously, Obama can't control the decisions of individual insurance companies in where they decide to compete. OTOH, we have a lot of misinformation and fear-mongering from the right (no surprise). The truth is somewhere in the middle. Though IMO much closer to Obama's side.[/QUOTE]Ok Esten, I'm seeing a lot of "happy talk" about ObamaCare but no facts to back them up.
Remember all those folks who testified before Congress about how the sites were ready to go after being paid hundreds of millions of dollars? Did not happen!
Please don't roll out the sites crashed because of overwhelming demand, as there is no reason for this to have happened as they knew or should have known what the demand would be since they are the only store in town. There were plenty of examples out there of under planning resources and how to avoid it, so you have no excuses.
If that was the excuse then why isn't the site working now after experiencing an 88% decrease in traffic, it's not overwhelmed it just doesn't work.
Also why isn't Obama coming out the figures for those who got insurance via the site after three weeks? What's because it simply does not work and Sebelius has time to go on TV to pump the plan but no time for Congress?
The Obama Lie I love the best is how the cost of care is going DOWN $2500 a year. Maybe he just mis-spoke and really meant to say it was going UP.
How can you say with a straight face that NOTHING IN ACA FORCED THIS? Every action being taken by companies is in reaction to ACA and it's draconian take over of the health insurance market.
The undeniable facts are people don't like ObamaCare because the whole thing is a sham. Nothing Obama said is true, but that's nothing new. Companies dropping coverage, reducing work hours, price increases are the REAL affects not some left wing-nut outfit saying it's only going to INCREASE 2%.
Keep whistling past the grave yard Esten, Black Shirt, WT69.