American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436182]Keep whistling past the grave yard Esten, Black Shirt, WT69.[/QUOTE]I enjoy whistling, it keeps me lighthearted, carefree and optimistic about life.

ObamaCare, you did not want it, you hate it. So you are looking for every shred of evidence that it is a disaster. Nothing will make you more happy than the collapse of ObamaCare. You will jump for joy when it happens.

On the other hand, I am unaffected, nothing has change on my coverage. Yes, there is a great deal of misinformation, and there will be glitches. It is to be expected. Sometimes, when you go out in the morning, and your car won't start, what do you do? Go into a rage? Or you fix it or find alternative transportation?

If it is a total disaster when Obama leaves office, I will donate a 2 hr body massage with all the trimmings, and the masseuse of your choice, and a great Thai dinner. But you have to claim it in Bangkok. Airfare / hotel not included.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436182]Ok Esten, I'm seeing a lot of "happy talk" about ObamaCare but no facts to back them up.

Remember all those folks who testified before Congress about how the sites were ready to go after being paid hundreds of millions of dollars? Did not happen!

Please don't roll out the sites crashed because of overwhelming demand, as there is no reason for this to have happened as they knew or should have known what the demand would be since they are the only store in town. There were plenty of examples out there of under planning resources and how to avoid it, so you have no excuses.

If that was the excuse then why isn't the site working now after experiencing an 88% decrease in traffic, it's not overwhelmed it just doesn't work.

Also why isn't Obama coming out the figures for those who got insurance via the site after three weeks? What's because it simply does not work and Sebelius has time to go on TV to pump the plan but no time for Congress?

The Obama Lie I love the best is how the cost of care is going DOWN $2500 a year. Maybe he just mis-spoke and really meant to say it was going UP.

How can you say with a straight face that NOTHING IN ACA FORCED THIS? Every action being taken by companies is in reaction to ACA and it's draconian take over of the health insurance market.

The undeniable facts are people don't like ObamaCare because the whole thing is a sham. Nothing Obama said is true, but that's nothing new. Companies dropping coverage, reducing work hours, price increases are the REAL affects not some left wing-nut outfit saying it's only going to INCREASE 2%.

Keep whistling past the grave yard Esten, Black Shirt, WT69.[/QUOTE]Keep howling at the moon, Doppel.

Still only seeing "happy talk" with no responses to all which has occurred due to ObamaCare coming on line. Everyday there is a new problem and every day a new excuse by the Obama apologist.

Please answer the questions.

Selebius' appearance but not before Congress?

Part time status, decreased or terminated benefits, increases in premiums?

If the system crashed because it was "over whelmed" when it opened why isn't it working now that traffic has decreased by 88%?

Where are Obama's promised numbers on those who signed up and got coverage?

Enough of the "happy talk" how about some real answers.

Black Shirt your analogy about the car just does not work. I chose the car the car I drive. The government did not force me to by a clunker form outer Mongolia, which is a pretty good analogy for what this administration is forcing the public to buy.

To paraphrase Henry Ford. You can have any insurance you want so long as it's ObamaCare.

I say let it roll out unimpeded and as it crashes like the Wreck of Hesperus the Democrats will have no one to blame but themselves.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436176]That's why Obama was elected. The people need help, not their quality of life taking away.[/QUOTE]Obama got elected because he promised the most people the most free money, period.

The auto bailouts, the borrowed stimulus money to pay local government salaries, the 99 weekers, Solyndra, the Dream Act, free cellphones, suspending the welfare work requirement, rubber stamping SS disability claims, hyper-promoting food stamps, and now free health insurance with no income verification.

And that's just what I can recall off the top of my head.

Thanks,

Jax.

[QUOTE=Jackson;436192]Obama got elected because he promised the most people the most free money, period.

Thanks,

Jax.[/QUOTE]Wrong. Obama got re-elected because the Republicans were too stupid to realize that demographics and attitudes in the US have changed and that national elections are no longer decided by redneck white men who watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbaugh. Until the Republicans realize that the political sentiments of Asians, Hispanics, Gays, and people with college degrees matter they will continue to lose national elections.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436190]I say let it roll out unimpeded and as it crashes like the Wreck of Hesperus the Democrats will have no one to blame but themselves.[/QUOTE]Wish you and the "gang that can't shoot straight" would do that. Instead of threatening civil war, and making fools of yourselves.

[QUOTE=RockHarders;436195]Wrong. Obama got re-elected because the Republicans were too stupid to realize that demographics and attitudes in the US have changed and that national elections are no longer decided by redneck white men who watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbaugh. Until the Republicans realize that the political sentiments of Asians, Hispanics, Gays, and people with college degrees matter they will continue to lose national elections.[/QUOTE]It's certainly true that Obama got re-elected because the "[I]demographics and attitudes in the US have changed[/I]" and that change was that 51% of the electorate has decided that living off the endeavors of the 49% who work is a much better lifestyle option that the decidedly worse option of actually working for a living themselves, this moral decline being directly attrituable to the vote-pandering, "[I]free money for all who claim to be victims[/I]" liberal Democrats.

The bottom line: Republicans can't and won't "out-give" the Democrats, and now that under the Obama administration the parasites vs producers ratio has passed the 50% point, it would appear that the USA will never recover from it's current economic malise.

"[I]When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.[/I]"

Ben Franklin

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436196]Wish you and the "gang that can't shoot straight" would do that. Instead of threatening civil war, and making fools of yourselves.[/QUOTE]Black Shirt, Doppelganger has repeatedly said Republicans in Congress should let the Affordable Care Act roll out. How is he making a fool of himself?

About your offer for a free massage in Bangkok with the masseuse of my choice if the ACA crashes, does that include Khun Noi, formerly at Tulip, who told me she'd come out of retirement for 40,000 baht? (jk)

[QUOTE=Tiny12;436199]Black Shirt, Doppelganger has repeatedly said Republicans in Congress should let the Affordable Care Act roll out. How is he making a fool of himself?

About your offer for a free massage in Bangkok with the masseuse of my choice if the ACA crashes, does that include Khun Noi, formerly at Tulip, who told me she'd come out of retirement for 40,000 baht? (jk)[/QUOTE]I would do it to release you out of your depressed state. But I will have to cancel my London trip to see my beloved Arsenal to release the funds for your pleasure. You see, I believe in the Greater Good.

For Doppey, it would be the venue of my choice. However, be assure that this will be my own favorite place. Insofar as ACA, he has only taken this stance just a few days ago. Prior to that, he was a very vocal member of the "gang that can't shoot straight" pushing for rejecting, repealing, then defunding ACA. Now with no more options, he has surrender to the last call, the crash that he is crying for. A praying mantis, he has become, saffron robe, shaved head, bare feet & all.

[QUOTE=Jackson;436198]It's certainly true that Obama got re-elected because the "[I]demographics and attitudes in the US have changed[/I]" and that change was that 51% of the electorate has decided that living off the endeavors of the 49% who work is a much better lifestyle option that the decidedly worse option of actually working for a living themselves, this moral decline being directly attrituable to the vote-pandering, "[I]free money for all who claim to be victims[/I]" liberal Democrats.

The bottom line: Republicans can't and won't "out-give" the Democrats, and now that under the Obama administration the parasites vs producers ratio has passed the 50% point, it would appear that the USA will never recover from it's current economic malise.[/QUOTE]But yet, many wealthier states and individuals vote Democrat. And many poorer states and individuals vote Republican.

Jackson's reply illustrates the very point RH was making. Conservatives live in a world of false stereotypes, and their ideology blinds them from the realities of the broad electorate.

Another good one from PolitiFact. I guess Texas didn't want to support any of those nasty parasites, even if they are veterans.

40,000 veterans in Texas won't get health care because Perry rejected Obamacare's Medicaid expansion
PolitiFact Rated: MOSTLY TRUE
[URL]http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2013/oct/17/gilberto-hinojosa/more-veterans-income-qualify-Medicaid-Texas/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Esten;436211]But yet, many wealthier states and individuals vote Democrat. And many poorer states and individuals vote Republican.
[/QUOTE]Many states that vote Republican exhibit stronger job growth, lower unemployment, and bigger gains in income compared to many states that vote Democrat. States that vote Democrat are losing population to states that vote Republican.

[QUOTE=Esten;436211]Conservatives live in a world of false stereotypes, and their ideology blinds them from the realities of the broad electorate.[/QUOTE]I agree to an extent. More Asians, Hispanics, Jews, Blacks, gays and young adults should support those Republicans who favor economic liberalism, as it would produce greater prosperity for all. The Republican party hasn't done a good job of appealing to them. Maybe a new generation of Republican politicians, like Jeff Flake and Rand Paul, will help. However, I don't see how you can tie that to Jackson's post. I agree with his conclusion that having large segments of the able-bodied population bought off by politicians in ways that discourage them from working or saving will lead to continued economic malise.

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The bottom line: Republicans can't and won't "out-give" the Democrats, and now that under the Obama administration the parasites vs producers ratio has passed the 50% point, it would appear that the USA will never recover from it's current economic malise.



Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]Wrong again. Nine out of the top ten and seventeen out of the top twenty wealthiest states (by household per capita income) voted for Obama in 2012; if, as you argue, only "parasites" were supporting Obama this would surely not have been the case. Conversely, nine out of the ten poorest states and sixteen out of the bottom twenty in fact voted for Romney. As I stated in my previous post, these poor Republican voting states are populated mostly by ignorant white rednecks who get their information from Fox News and Rush Limbaugh; fortunately, this demographic is becoming increasing marginalized as US demographics change.

[QUOTE=RockHarders;436215]Wrong again. Nine out of the top ten and seventeen out of the top twenty wealthiest states (by household per capita income) voted for Obama in 2012; if, as you argue, only "parasites" were supporting Obama this would surely not have been the case. Conversely, nine out of the ten poorest states and sixteen out of the bottom twenty in fact voted for Romney. As I stated in my previous post, these poor Republican voting states are populated mostly by ignorant white rednecks who get their information from Fox News and Rush Limbaugh; fortunately, this demographic is becoming increasing marginalized as US demographics change.[/QUOTE]Wealthier individuals were more likely to vote for Romney. Poorer individuals were more likely to vote for Obama. Sixty percent of voters making less than $50,000 per year voted for Obama, versus 44% making more than $100,000 per year: [URL]http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_12.html[/URL].

Do you believe wealthier individuals are more capable of selecting good candidates? Maybe votes should be allocated based on taxes paid, which should be a good proxy for wealth?

These days, Fox & Bloomberg are the only 2 news stations on my network. Luckily, I can access several news sources for political content. But I don't quite know how to react to the bashing of RomneyCare. I have not heard one Basher say, "my insurance has gone up, my insurance have been cancel". Not one. All they can say that it is a disaster, that nothing is working, that Sebelius need to be fired.

CNN reports that as of Friday, Oct 19, that 257,000 has signed up. Not enrolled. Don't laugh, I know it's seem only like a trickle. We went through about "who laughs last" a while back.

Meanwhile, on Fox, nothing but screaming, "fire, fire, abandon ship, shoot the captain". I have to accept that they are paid to do that.

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For Doppey, it would be the venue of my choice. However, be assure that this will be my own favorite place. Insofar as ACA, he has only taken this stance just a few days ago. Prior to that, he was a very vocal member of the "gang that can't shoot straight" pushing for rejecting, repealing, then defunding ACA. Now with no more options, he has surrender to the last call, the crash that he is crying for. A praying mantis, he has become, saffron robe, shaved head, bare feet & all.[/QUOTE]Black Shirt, Doppey was one of the seven dwarfs who was boning Snow White.

As far as ObamaCare is considered I have not dropped my opposition to it as a wrongheaded power grab by Democrats which is unworkable in practice, financially unsupportable and needs to be repealed in its entirety. So my views have not changed. With the failure of the Supreme Court to strike it down I have said for some time it should be allowed to go into effect, the result of which will be a similar ground swell of support for Republicans as in 2010. If that occurs in 2014 the Republican's can repeal the law.

I have noticed in today's news the software developers were warning the HHS of problems with the system before the Oct 2nd launch but were ignored. HHS did the final testing of this colossal debacle instead of the programmers so that after so many delays of ObamaCare they could roll out something. Don' tell me it could not have been prevented with the site having fewer hits than many popular sites which run just fine such as Google, PayPal, Wikipedia.

Enough of the "happy talk" let's hear some answers since you so whole heartedly support this turkey.

[QUOTE=Esten;436212]Another good one from PolitiFact. I guess Texas didn't want to support any of those nasty parasites, even if they are veterans.

40,000 veterans in Texas won't get health care because Perry rejected Obamacare's Medicaid expansion
PolitiFact Rated: MOSTLY TRUE
[URL]http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2013/oct/17/gilberto-hinojosa/more-veterans-income-qualify-Medicaid-Texas/[/URL][/QUOTE]Esten, please read the article. It does not say 40,000 vets would have been covered by Medicaid if Texas had accepted the expansion of same under ObamaCare. It ESTIMATES from a LEFT WING research group that 40,000 vet's incomes MIGHT fall within the expanded Medicaid guidelines not that they are not getting coverage.

The article barely mentions the VA nor does it even address if the referenced vets have insurance.

Big nothing as usual.

By the way the generous expansion of Medicaid benefits ObamaCare offers eventually shifts the entire expansion costs to the states which accepted it, I.e. Those states citizens now have a new unfunded liability down the road.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436220]Enough of the "happy talk" let's hear some answers since you so whole heartedly support this turkey.[/QUOTE]I support universal health care, you don't. And now, we are getting victorious about software? Software can be fix, dude. Even Texans should know that.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436223]I support universal health care, you don't. And now, we are getting victorious about software? Software can be fix, dude. Even Texans should know that.[/QUOTE]You are correct, I am against socialized medicine ie ObamaCare.

But this has never been about software and to attempt to change the argument is disingenuous on your part. ObamaCare in fact is not the myth Obama sold everyone and they are now coming to realize none of the promises are true. That is what this is about! The software problem, all 5 million lines of code which needs to be rewritten according to some experts, is just another symptom of the problem, just like part time employment, reduced or terminated benefits, increased costs and the list goes on.

In Houston the networks which are forming to provide services under ObamaCare are tier II or III hospitals, clinics and physicians, none of the tier I hospitals or groups in the Medical Center. You are going to get exactly what one would expect from FMG's, names you can not pronounce, in minimal healthcare settings, PA's or NP's to deliver the service and waiting lines to be seen just like everywhere else that has this type of medical treatment.

No one is claiming "Victory" here because there are not going to be any winners under ObamaCare.

WT69 I know how you like political cartoons . Enjoy. Do you get it?

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[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436221]Esten, please read the article. It does not say 40,000 vets would have been covered by Medicaid if Texas had accepted the expansion of same under ObamaCare. It ESTIMATES from a LEFT WING research group that 40,000 vet's incomes MIGHT fall within the expanded Medicaid guidelines not that they are not getting coverage.

The article barely mentions the VA nor does it even address if the referenced vets have insurance.

Big nothing as usual.[/QUOTE]Facts aren't important to Liberals.

Only emotion is important.

The O-man, Barack Hussein Obama, is an eloquently tailored empty suit. No resume, no accomplishments, no experience, no original ideas, no understanding of how the economy works, no understanding of how the world works, no balls, nothing but abstract, empty rhetoric devoid of real substance.

He has no real identity. He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly Arab, which he hides but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya. Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.

What he isn't, not a genetic drop of, is 'African-American,' the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He hasn't a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners. Slave-trading was the main Arab business in East Africa for centuries until the British ended it.

Let that sink in: Obama is not the descendant of slaves, he is the descendant of slave owners. Thus he makes the perfect Liberal Messiah.

It's something Hillary doesn't understand. How some complete neophyte came out of the blue and stole the Dem nomination from her. Obamamania is beyond politics and reason. It is a true religious cult, whose adherents reject Christianity yet still believe in Original Sin, transferring it from the evil of being human to the evil of being white.

Thus Obama has become the white liberals' Christ, offering absolution from the Sin of Being White. There is no reason or logic behind it, no faults or flaws of his can diminish it, no arguments Hillary could make of any kind can be effective against it. The absurdity of Hypocrisy Clothed In Human Flesh being their Savior is all the more cause for liberals to worship him: Credo quia absurdum, I believe it because it is absurd.

Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain Christian and are in no desperate need of a phony savior.

He is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously by any thinking American.

PASS THIS ON TO EVERY THINKING AMERICAN YOU KNOW!!

TL.

[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;436230]Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain Christian and are in no desperate need of a phony savior.

He is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously by any thinking American.

PASS THIS ON TO EVERY THINKING AMERICAN YOU KNOW!!

TL.[/QUOTE]Not blue enough? Is that what you are trying to say? You have explain the source of the blind hatred, it was there from the start. Hilary Clinton=acceptable, Barrack Hussein Obama=unacceptable. What do we call that kind of belief? Not racism, something else, but I can't seem to pin it down.

P.S. Nice write up, very eloquent, very discerning, too.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436231]Not blue enough? Is that what you are trying to say? You have explain the source of the blind hatred, it was there from the start. Hilary Clinton=acceptable, Barrack Hussein Obama=unacceptable. What do we call that kind of belief? Not racism, something else, but I can't seem to pin it down.

P.S. Nice write up, very eloquent, very discerning, too.[/QUOTE]I did not vote for him because I'm not allowed to vote in the USA but I would not have voted anyway because G.W was not in the running!

Man, I don't know ANYTHING about Politics or Religion!

I do know that abortion has been berry, berry good to me!

I do know a lot about Putas!

TL.

[B]BlackShirt flip-flops, or Just a case of do as I say, not as I do?[/B]

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436231]Not blue enough? Is that what you are trying to say? [highlight]You have explain the source[/highlight] of the blind hatred, it was there from the start. Hilary Clinton=acceptable, Barrack Hussein Obama=unacceptable. What do we call that kind of belief? Not racism, something else, but I can't seem to pin it down.

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[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;436233]

Man, I don't know ANYTHING about Politics or Religion!

[/QUOTE]Don't fret TL, BS doesn't know anything about "Politics or Religion" either, not to speak of his lack of Constitutional knowledge. And you don't have to write a doctoral dissertation for his satisfaction.

According to BS own words you don't have to back up what you say or offer anything to support your remarks, and he seldom does.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436092]I made my point. You don't like it, too bad. You reacted, and now it's time to move on. I don't have to write a doctoral dissertation for your satisfaction. You believe in what you know, [highlight]you don't need to prove anything to anybody on this board. Neither do I.[/highlight] [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;436233]I did not vote for him because I'm not allowed to vote in the USA but I would not have voted anyway because G.W was not in the running!

Man, I don't know ANYTHING about Politics or Religion!

I do know that abortion has been berry, berry good to me!

I do know a lot about Putas!

TL.[/QUOTE]That's ok. Punter is right, all I do is express my opinions. Some like it, others hate it. Most don't give a shit. Often, I surprise myself with what I write. The words seem to have a life of their own, and before I know it, they are out there for all to ridicule. The sentence that our Punter objected, I should have stated, "What is the source of the blind hatred".

In any case, as Punter have highlighted, you don't have to explain yourself.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436231]Not blue enough? Is that what you are trying to say? You have explain the source of the blind hatred, it was there from the start. Hilary Clinton=acceptable, Barrack Hussein Obama=unacceptable. What do we call that kind of belief? Not racism, something else, but I can't seem to pin it down.[/QUOTE]It's what I love most about liberals, they have all the empathy in the world until you disagree with them and in the case of Obama if you say anything derogatory about him or his policies either you are a hater, redneck, or racist.

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My man, Dr. Ben Carson in his weekly column at the Washington Times has this to say.

"Rather than complain about ObamaCare, it might be useful to begin to discuss some enhancements or future alternatives that can make it work effectively or provide an alternative if it fails."

Yes, my conservative brother, finally, we can stand together. I knew all along you would come through. Tall, let the arrows, buckshots, insults, barbs fly.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436240]My man, Dr. Ben Carson in his weekly column at the Washington Times has this to say.

"Rather than complain about ObamaCare, it might be useful to begin to discuss some enhancements or future alternatives that can make it work effectively or provide an alternative if it fails.

Yes, my conservative brother, finally, we can stand together. I knew all along you would come through. Tall, let the arrows, buckshots, insults, barbs fly.[/QUOTE]Black Shirt would this be the same type of input, alternatives, enhancements and ideas the Democrats entertained while passing ObamaCare when they told the Republicans they could take their input, alternatives, enhancements and ideas and shove them up their ass, then passed ObamaCare without a single Republican Vote?

Is this the novel idea we are talking about "brother"?

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436241]Black Shirt would this be the same type of in put, alternatives, enhancements and ideas the Democrats entertained while passing ObamaCare when they told the Republicans they could take their in put, alternatives, enhancements and ideas and shove them up their ass, them passed ObamaCare without a single Republican Vote?

Is this the novel idea we are talking about "brother"?[/QUOTE]Hey, I didn't write this. Just read the Washington Times (conservative) today. Under Opinions, Dr. Ben Carson, renowned neurosurgeon at John Hopkins, now retired. Admired and touted by the likes of Hannity & Limbaugh. Unknown by you? Just check with Punter 127 aka wikipedia. He will put you up to date.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436242]Hey, I didn't write this. Just read the Washington Times (conservative) today. Under Opinions, Dr. Ben Carson, renowned neurosurgeon at John Hopkins, now retired. Admired and touted by the likes of Hannity & Limbaugh. Unknown by you? Just check with Punter 127 aka wikipedia. He will put you up to date.[/QUOTE]Why do you (aka the all knowing one) refer him to me or the Washington Times, didn't Carson give you first hand information at the Church Social? Was Obama there this week?

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436242]Hey, I didn't write this. Just read the Washington Times (conservative) today. Under Opinions, Dr. Ben Carson, renowned neurosurgeon at John Hopkins, now retired. Admired and touted by the likes of Hannity & Limbaugh. Unknown by you? Just check with Punter 127 aka wikipedia. He will put you up to date.[/QUOTE]Yes Black Shirt, I am aware of who Dr. Carson is. I find your quoting him a bit hilarious when taken in the context of your posts.

I don't see a response to my post regarding all that input, alternatives, and suggestions when ObamaCare was being worked up by the Democrats.

By the way, isn't this the same Dr. Carson who was highly critical of ObamaCare at a function with Obama sitting at the head table? As I recall Obama was squirming a bit from the criticism of ObamaCare leveled by Dr. Carlson.

Just a coincidence that the IRS audited Dr. Carson after the comments?

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436246]Yes Black Shirt, I am aware of who Dr. Carson is. I find your quoting him a bit hilarious when taken in the context of your posts.

I don't see a response to my post regarding all that input, alternatives, and suggestions when ObamaCare was being worked up by the Democrats.

By the way, isn't this the same Dr. Carson who was highly critical of ObamaCare at a function with Obama sitting at the head table? As I recall Obama was squirming a bit from the criticism of ObamaCare leveled by Dr. Carlson.

Just a coincidence that the IRS audited Dr. Carson after the comments?[/QUOTE]It was always my contention that ObamaCare is not the final perfect product. But universal care, it is, and that it can be worked on and improved as implementation gets under way. Obama knew that it was his only chance to pass the bill while they were in control of both Houses. Total rejection was the only alternative offered by the Republicans. Don't pretend otherwise. That is why it was rammed down your throat.

Yes, it is the same Dr. Ben Carson. And if you notice, you will never find him snickering and demeaning Obama. He will never be angry, anger is a waste of energy and is a negative emotion. Very classy guy, a good example for all of us to follow.

Let's be clear about one thing, I am not a Democrat or Republican. I just express my opinion.

Today seems to be a good day for a massage. Time to put a smile on my face and shed off all these hostilities. I think you need one, too.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436247]It was always my contention that ObamaCare is not the final perfect product. But universal care, it is, and that it can be worked on and improved as implementation gets under way. Obama knew that it was his only chance to pass the bill while they were in control of both Houses. Total rejection was the only alternative offered by the Republicans. Don't pretend otherwise. That is why it was rammed down your throat.

Yes, it is the same Dr. Ben Carson. And if you notice, you will never find him snickering and demeaning Obama. He will never be angry, anger is a waste of energy and is a negative emotion. Very classy guy, a good example for all of us to follow.

Let's be clear about one thing, I am not a Democrat or Republican. I just express my opinion.

Today seems to be a good day for a massage. Time to put a smile on my face and shed off all these hostilities. I think you need one, too.[/QUOTE]
Just what I need, an unmanageable, out of control, bankrupting healthcare plan run by one of the most dysfunctional governments we have seen in years telling me what to buy and why I have to pay for other's healthcare. Why exactly do we need universal healthcare? Screw because others have it, should we go jump off a cliff because someone else did.

By the way Carson has some pretty harsh words for ObamaCare or did you just miss that. He still has some pretty harsh words for this liberal turkey and knows it's not going to work. He also was not amused to be audited after his comments regarding ObamaCare. Yes he is classy guy but he is not stupid and if you will forgive the pun calls a Spade a Spade.

Thank you for your concern but I got laid twice today and am quite mellow until I read all this total BS about universal care. Return this to the local level and the charities, they do a much better job than the government ever will. If you want it work for it, enough government hand out programs.

Know what they say in Poland about sitting on your ass and asking someone else to pay your bills. TOUGH SHITISKY!

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436249]Just what I need, an unmanageable, out of control, bankrupting healthcare plan run by one of the most dysfunctional governments we have seen in years telling me what to buy and why I have to pay for other's healthcare. Why exactly do we need universal healthcare? Screw because others have it, should we go jump off a cliff because someone else did.

By the way Carson has some pretty harsh words for ObamaCare or did you just miss that. He still has some pretty harsh words for this liberal turkey and knows it's not going to work. He also was not amused to be audited after his comments regarding ObamaCare. Yes he is classy guy but he is not stupid and if you will forgive the pun calls a Spade a Spade.

Thank you for your concern but I got laid twice today and am quite mellow until I read all this total BS about universal care. Return this to the local level and the charities, they do a much better job than the government ever will. If you want it work for it, enough government hand out programs.

Know what they say in Poland about sitting on your ass and asking someone else to pay your bills. TOUGH SHITISKY![/QUOTE]I'm so glad that you got laid Twice today!

Obama is fucking Everybody at least twice a day!

I hope it wasn't the same girl twice!

That does not count!

Reminds me of when I use to go to "Boy's Town" and fuck 8 girls in 1 night.

Well, I guess I'm bragging!

It was actually 7 girls but I fucked 1 of them twice.

The first girl at 9:30 pm and then the same girl at 6:30 am but there were 7 different girls in the middle.

Is that 2 days?

Hell, it was one night to me!

One drink, one girl, 2 drinks and a 3-way, etc, etc.

Oh, those weekend getaways from Houston to Boy's Town, Laredo were so much FUN!

TL.

Now, can't We All Just Get Along?

TL.

P.S. Would love to hear from any of the Boys that have been to Papa Gallo's or Tamyko's in Boy's Town!

Stories!

Just don't tell us if you went to "Dallas Cowboy's!

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436249]Just what I need, an unmanageable, out of control, bankrupting healthcare plan run by one of the most dysfunctional governments we have seen in years telling me what to buy and why I have to pay for other's healthcare. Why exactly do we need universal healthcare? Screw because others have it, should we go jump off a cliff because someone else did.

By the way Carson has some pretty harsh words for ObamaCare or did you just miss that. He still has some pretty harsh words for this liberal turkey and knows it's not going to work. He also was not amused to be audited after his comments regarding ObamaCare. Yes he is classy guy but he is not stupid and if you will forgive the pun calls a Spade a Spade.

Thank you for your concern but I got laid twice today and am quite mellow until I read all this total BS about universal care. Return this to the local level and the charities, they do a much better job than the government ever will. If you want it work for it, enough government hand out programs.

Know what they say in Poland about sitting on your ass and asking someone else to pay your bills. TOUGH SHITISKY![/QUOTE]And still spitting & sputtering. Or is just the aftershocks of 2 orgasms. Also fine-tune the Viagra dosage. Easy on the alcohol intake when involved in enhancing stimulants.

And I never call Carson stupid, at least I don't recall. I apologize for spoiling your day.

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Reminds me of when I use to go to "Boy's Town" and fuck 8 girls in 1 night.[/quote]You had me worried there for a moment. Then the fog cleared. But these days, one never knows.

[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;436251]Reminds me of when I use to go to "Boy's Town" and fuck 8 girls in 1 night.[/quote][QUOTE=BlackShirt;436254]You had me worried there for a moment. Then the fog cleared. But these days, one never knows.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely TRUE stories !

I have witnesses and pictures somewhere !

It was the thing to do when growing up in Texas !

3 hours and 15 minutes with a really fast car from my house to the Mexican Border Crossing !

I have pictures of the Donkey tied up outside of one of the Hooker Bars too !

He always looked tired !

TL

A friend of mine was making out with one of the girls and then they brought the Donkey on stage with HER !

Priceless Moment !

TL

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436249]Know what they say in Poland about sitting on your ass and asking someone else to pay your bills. TOUGH SHITISKY![/QUOTE]There they go again, Conservatives peddling their stereotypes about masses of lazy people getting free handouts. I suppose TOUGH SHITSKY is their response to people who have pre-existing conditions or serious health problems, who can't get good healthcare, or are forced into bankruptcy paying their medical bills.

Good news, after implementation of the Affordable Care Act, the only real TOUGH SHITSKY is to these same Conservatives, and their futile attempts to block the new healthcare law. It's really time for them to move on. We are seeing some telltale signs of a shift, though it will take more time for them to break free from their destructive obsession.

I listened to a good exchange today on CNN. The anti-ACA guy was saying we should have a free market approach to improving our healthcare system, because the free market can always provide an answer to a problem. The pro-ACA guy simply pointed out the free market has FAILED to improve our healthcare system, it shuts out many people, and either isn't affordable to or bankrupts many others. The anti-ACA guy couldn't explain how the free market could address these issues. You don't hear much about Republican alternatives to the ACA, because the fact is their free-market ideas won't address the fundamental issues that the ACA addresses.

[QUOTE]Bucking some of the same conservative groups that encouraged the government shutdown, Republicans and Democrats united Wednesday to overwhelmingly pass an $8.2 billion House bill mapping out plans for dams, harbor, river navigation and other water projects for the coming decade.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]"Make no mistake, this is a jobs bill," said Rep. Steve Southerland, R-Fla.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]"This bill is about strengthening our infrastructure so we can remain competitive. It's about economic growth, it's about trade, it's about jobs," said Rep. Bill Shuster, R-Pa.[/QUOTE][URL]http://news.yahoo.com/house-passes-8-2-billion-water-projects-bill-222444886--politics.html[/URL]

Wait, are these the same Republicans who rail against spending, and claim that the government doesn't create jobs?