Black

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hi friend, obviously I agree and I accept your point of view, but from my side, I think I have totally normal standards and that here many men have very low standards about girls.

So why it was enough easy for me till now? I think it is only the problem where you go to search, search in the right places and you will be really surprised how many nice girls can give great service.

-For me after a week I can say overall quality is surely not good and when I am in holiday I like to go a place, as private flat in russia, where between 10-12 girls more half are really nice and not as here to have to work hard to find a nice one.

- man tons of girls options you have in every city of 12 millions of inhabitants, but I got many many options in Ufa and in Samara and they are village in comparison to BsAs.

-if you think here prices are so that cheap, lets take 200 pesos as example? (even if maybe the average price is 300 pesos.

200 pesos if I am right it is about 44 euro, right?

From here [url]http://www.photomodeli.ru/[/url]

I got in Piter so far as November 2008 so many girls and for the average price of 54 euro!

Friend, do not tell me that this 10 euro per chica is gonna to make all that big difference.

My last day in Samara I got a driver that pick to my flat, with 2 cars, 8 girls and I was mad, cause 5 of them were gorgeous for the price of 50 euro 60 minutes. Do you understand me?

- inexpensive city, yes, but I prefer to stay some days less but to get first quality pussies instead to stay long time and get tired to find one good girl.

Safe? Never felt unsafe in 45 days alone in Russia.

- if I have no money I stay at home, maybe it is only the problem that I live in Europe and before to come to Argentina I did not understand so well as now, that I live in a real heaven about quality and services of girls, now I know and believe me, I am very happy.[/QUOTE]My Friend, it seems that whatever you do in Argentina you are disappointed. I still plan on going there, I'm confident that I will find a passionate and gorgeous girl to have fun with.

I hope that you find what you're looking for out there somewhere,

Jack

[QUOTE=Jackjack1]My Friend, it seems that whatever you do in Argentina you are disappointed.[/QUOTE]Hi friend, but do you think it is me or it is Argentina? And it is NOT a million dollar question.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hi friend, but do you think it is me or it is Argentina? And it is NOT a million dollar question.[/QUOTE]Honestly Luka, I think it's you, you are just used to a different kind of girl.

Jack

[QUOTE=Esten] I'd say odds are good they were simply fishing for (their cut of) a second drink, and would have magically switched to "we meant 600 pesos each" when the time to leave came (or in the hotel)

The chica drink prices are the hardest part to believe.[/QUOTE]I agree it becomes extremely expensive. But - theres no such thing in Black as "their cut" in drinks

[QUOTE=Jackjack1]Honestly Luka, I think it's you, you are just used to a different kind of girl.

Jack[/QUOTE]Different or better kind of girl Jack?

I know it seems it is me, but my question is how many here that like the girls in private, new port, cafe orleans, chekers, catoo's, hook, ness, madahos and black went before to Russia, Ukraina, Czech or Slovak Republic as I did from 1998?

You think it is me, it is ok you have different opinion, we are here to share our opinion, but at least I can compare girls from many different states and I saw that a girl 6' can be for some a 5' or a 7', but a girl 9' will be a 9' for many men.

P. S. And I was so well in Hungary, Latvia, Croatia, Slovenia, Spain, Greek, France, Austria and German too. So I am not "so" virgin anymore.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Different or better kind of girl Jack?

I know it seems it is me, but my question is how many here that like the girls in private, new port, cafe orleans, chekers, catoo's, hook, ness, madahos and black went before to Russia, Ukraina, Czech or Slovak Republic as I did from 1998?

You think it is me, it is ok you have different opinion, we are here to share our opinion, but at least I can compare girls from many different states and I saw that a girl 6' can be for some a 5' or a 7', but a girl 9' will be a 9' for many men.

P. S. And I was so well in Hungary, Latvia, Croatia, Slovenia, Spain, Greek, France, Austria and German too. So I am not "so" virgin anymore.[/QUOTE]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you may prefer Slavic girls?

Jack

Lukasek, good discussion. I can agree your standards are normal, because it is true all men would prefer to have 8's and 9's compared to less attractive women. Perhaps a better way to explain it is that men become used to the quality of chica they normally do business with. If a man rarely sees 8's and 9's he will not miss them and will be content with 7's. Or he may want better looking women but he decides it is too expensive or too much work to find them, so again he becomes content with a lesser quality. So I can understand if you are used to enjoying 8s and 9s in Europe and Russia, you will have some disappointment in Buenos Aires. However I still suspect that what you consider an 8-9, many of us will consider a 9-10.

The place in Russia you mentioned at 54 Euros per hour, with attractive women, I can believe. But I think that type of situation is not very common. And I think even less common to find that in an upscale night club where you can drink and talk with the chicas and spend time and make your choice (like Madahos or Black)

Tell me Lukasek - what city do you recommend to find a night club like Madahos or Black, full of beautiful women (8s and 9s) and with good prices. I would be very interested about such places. Because I know of some places like this in other countries, but they are expensive.

Lukasek, I totally agree that you have normal standards, but if you are looking only for the 9's and the 10's you better stay in europe than travel so far. In Germany for example you would easily find at least a few 9's in every huge FKK, and you can fuck each of these girls for 50 euros!

Nevertheless, altough I am a Aerman I do like BA very much and will be there in March / April for almost 5 weeks. But I do not come down there only for the women, that in fact wouldn't make much sense.

Can't wait to let the terrible winter time behind me!

Lueck Hoff

I went to Blacks last night to see if there was anything good.

I was severely let down. Besides the dancers there was only two girls I would have taken out. Lots of 5's and 6's. About 3 girls were 8+. Better quality is at the triangle.

I talked to one that was a big natural breasted spinner. She wanted 200USD, and would not even take pesos of a similar amount.

I would avoid this place, and I defiantly would not take someone there on business to get laid. There were a very really coyote ugly chicas in there.

Oh and something else funny. That one really ugly old chica that used to hang out at exedra and orleans that no body ever banged. Well she was streetwalking in Recoleta a block from blacks. Must be a dying last gasp for her.

Yes I agree totally. I would avoid this place. Quality hit the bottom - level zero, there are much less girls than usual and its not day of week-thing. This place died for now and must come back with some new great chicas.

They are imposing new rules on girls - she MUST come back after around 1hr (1 drink with customer) or around 2h (2 drinks) (good bye old times) and they don't have to go with anyone else same night - but - They have to stay in place to make it look --- Full of chicas!:D

Pretty clever idea unfortunately level is very low and they don't work good even as a background to meet any better one.

For now - again disappointed - avoid

I went in on Thursday night at about 4 am after being cockblocked on a Madahos dancer. I was hoping that the quality would have improved on the best mongering night of the week.

It did not. You could have put all the girls in there in any 100p or less privado in town and they would have looked at home.

Don't even waste your time walking here for a look. Take the 80p you would save and hit a privado.

If you feel that you must look you can save the entry fee by just walking past the door guy like you own the place. Its what I did for the free look.

On a side note, when I went in there I saw a girl that I had banged a few days earlier that I paid 170p, and she was happy. She was a friend of a friend. She told me she worked at Black, I did not believe her. She just was not that good looking. Turns out she does work there and gets 200USD from morons.

Gato, how much is the entrance fee if the "walk in like you own the place" tactic fails. Plus how much is it going to cost me to drink there. Not looking to drop 600 pesos for a so-so girl, shit I'm not looking to drop 600 on anything, but I think I got to check out. From the way its described, it sounds like a historic site.

[QUOTE=Quick78]From the way its described, it sounds like a historic site.[/QUOTE]Not historic, just undergoing some changes / (temporary) problems.

60-80 pesos will do (drink included), sometimes free (if they know you buy drink anyway)

Gentlemen,

I have been to Black's no less than 15 times in the last 5 years. I have never (ok once but she was a hot raving lunatic who was way out of control) had a bad experience and certainly some that still dance in my memory. I cannot believe that the place has been reported recently by my fellow mongering brotherhood as having gone to the bottom of the hill.

Please say it isnt so since I am returning to BA after a two year absence this coming April.

There was a guy named Daniel that used to run the place (or maybe he was a night manager only) and seemed to have the place well organized.

Gato:

Can you still tip out management to insure that girl stays for evening and does not have to return to the shark pool?

From a boliche standpoint, has Madahos completely eclipsed Blacks as the place to go for the best chicas assembled in one place?

Saddened,

Scott

[QUOTE=Alvear123]Gentlemen,

I have been to Black's no less than 15 times in the last 5 years. I have never (ok once but she was a hot raving lunatic who was way out of control) had a bad experience and certainly some that still dance in my memory. I cannot believe that the place has been reported recently by my fellow mongering brotherhood as having gone to the bottom of the hill.

Please say it isnt so since I am returning to BA after a two year absence this coming April.

There was a guy named Daniel that used to run the place (or maybe he was a night manager only) and seemed to have the place well organized.

Gato:

Can you still tip out management to insure that girl stays for evening and does not have to return to the shark pool?

From a boliche standpoint, has Madahos completely eclipsed Blacks as the place to go for the best chicas assembled in one place?

Saddened,

Scott[/QUOTE]Scott:

Most of the price police, er. Value mongers on this board won't set foot in Black. They claim that mongers get "financially abused" in such places, and no savvy monger worth his salt would willingly patronize such establishments. This may be one of the reasons your post hasn't garnered much response.

I'm probably one of the few remaining half-wits here who truly enjoys places like Black and Madaho's. Don't tell anyone, but I don't mind paying a bit more. Plus, I find this whole notion that service varies inversely with price is a bunch of rubbish. [Shhhhhhhh!] That's just me, though. Call me crazy.

That said, I've been in BA on three separate trips since last September and at least half a dozen times over the past two years. I've been to Black at least six separate nights over the past three trips. This is all a matter of opinion, of course, but I would say that Black definitely has declined and is a clear #2 to Madaho's at this point. Candidly, my opinion for the past two years has been that Black is second best, but until recently I would say that the point is arguable. I don't think the point is debatable any longer.

Rumor has it that about 1/3 of the Black inventory up and left in a huff. There was a dispute with Black management where management did not support a chica, or so the story goes. I can't confirm that, but it's internet lore at this point. I can confirm that, as of last January, there were clearly some chicas in Black who didn't belong there. The number of chicas also was down. This could have been because I was there during a normally slow period (third week in January) but my personal opinion is that the place has been on a steady decline for six months. If you haven't been there in two years, you may like what they've done to the stripper / dancer pole. It is now its own free-standing island. This greatly improves the flow of the place. Ironically, though, they've now got fewer chicas and patrons, so flow is less of an issue there.

Madaho's, too, has suffered a bit, and this is confirmed by the staff (non-chicas) working there. Recently, another member posted that chicas were being allowed to go home at 3:30 a. M. Rather than the customary 4:30 - 5:00 a. M. This past January, there clearly were fewer chicas in Madaho's, but I would guesstimate that this still translates into at least twice the population at Black. And, in my opinion, the Madaho's gals are a cut above. There are still stunners at both places -- there are just more at Madaho's right now and (my opinion again) the average Madaho's gal is better looking than the average Black gal.

Some of the up-and-coming Recoleta clubs, like La Lopez, are just graveyards now. There's no point in even bothering if you're looking for a high-end place with lots of variety, although there undoubtedly are a few gems still lurking in places like this.

Finally, the same internet rumor about the chicas leaving Black had this somewhat happy ending: That 1/3 of the Black population high-tailed it over to Hippopotamus. I have no experience with this boliche, and there are various negative reports on this board about efforts to regentrify the place. It seems they charge a lot for drinks, just like Black and Madaho's. Still, it may be worth checking out. I plan on doing so when I'm back there in April.

Good luck, and welcome back.

Stan,

Your response is very much appreciated. I will be in BA on business probably around the week of the 20th of April so if you are in town parallel to that time, it would be fun to do an unbiased 60 minutes style TV expose as to who and what is happening in this town. If you are around, drop me a note and we can at least coordinate a night of steak, wine and of course chica harpooning.

I respectfully bow to the sage veterans on this board who have shared their tireless efforts with all of us connisseurs in Argentina, one the last great bastions of mongering. Jackson should at least win the congressional medal of honor, a Kennedy Center honor or the very least, a trip sponsored by all of us to new, fertile hunting grounds. China? Prague? Moscow?

I understand your point about some of the trashing of various places owing to the escalating prices at Black's and Madahos. And there will always be an inevitable debate between the Privado Boys and the Boliche Boys. For what it is worth, I truly enjoy walking into the boliches after a great supper, tummy filled with great Argentine beef and sated with wine. I can then relax with buddies, "ooh and aah" over the evening's cattle call, and spear my little fish in the gentle rolling stream of chicas.

I fully intend on retracing my hallowed steps at Black's, revisiting Madahos to see how and why they wear the current crown, and test out the new waters of the emerging set of boliches. Of course, using Jackson's great enter at your own peril list of places to enjoy or avoid.

Scott

As I keep saying, "It Doesn't Take Any Brains To Spend Money"

To find true value you've got to get out into the field and work hard to discover it. Yes your going to "Waste" some orgams but in the long run you'll have devoloped your own "Stable" of good reliable Chica's that provide what your looking for.

Going to Black or Madaho's and just spending money is not the answer.

Exon

[QUOTE=Exon123]As I keep saying, "It Doesn't Take Any Brains To Spend Money"

To find true value you've got to get out into the field and work hard to discover it. Yes your going to "Waste" some orgams but in the long run you'll have devoloped your own "Stable" of good reliable Chica's that provide what your looking for.

Going to Black or Madaho's and just spending money is not the answer.

Exon[/QUOTE]Bottom line is that there are different strokes for different blokes.

Jack

[QUOTE=Jackjack1]Bottom line is that there are different strokes for different blokes.

Jack[/QUOTE]You go for it Jack.

Exon

[QUOTE=Exon123]You go for it Jack.

Exon[/QUOTE]Thanks Exon, I will. I respect both your opinion and Stan's. I think that if I went to Black's and Madahos I would get the full Buenos Aires experience. Whether or not I would fork out what these chicas are asking for depends on the situation.

Cheers,

Jack

[QUOTE=Exon123]As I keep saying, "It Doesn't Take Any Brains To Spend Money"

To find true value you've got to get out into the field and work hard to discover it. Yes your going to "Waste" some orgams but in the long run you'll have devoloped your own "Stable" of good reliable Chica's that provide what your looking for.

Going to Black or Madaho's and just spending money is not the answer.

Exon[/QUOTE]What thoughtful and sage advice! Thanks!

Not only are you able to separate the valuable and worthwhile experiences from the expensive and unworthy places, you are also able to spend my money for me.

Imagine that? I've been going to Madaho's and Black for several years now. Indeed, I [I]somehow fooled myself into believing I was having a good time [/I] when I was there. Thanks for pointing out that these places are not the answer, and that I'll have to waste some "orgams" trying to "devolop" a stable. [B]Now[/B] I see the light: The Value Monger way is the only way to true happiness and contentment.

By the way, I see your point that it may not take brains to spend money. Does the same rule apply to spelling?

[QUOTE=Stan Da Man]What thoughtful and sage advice! Thanks!

Not only are you able to separate the valuable and worthwhile experiences from the expensive and unworthy places, you are also able to spend my money for me.

Imagine that? I've been going to Madaho's and Black for several years now. Indeed, I [I]somehow fooled myself into believing I was having a good time [/I] when I was there. Thanks for pointing out that these places are not the answer, and that I'll have to waste some "orgams" trying to "devolop" a stable. [B]Now[/B] I see the light: The Value Monger way is the only way to true happiness and contentment.

By the way, I see your point that it may not take brains to spend money. Does the same rule apply to spelling?[/QUOTE]Gentlemen,

Both of you present a point of view. Let's not take this to a different level. In a way, we are brothers in arms. Keep up the good work in reporting. This site is an invaluable resource because of your reflections and recommendations.

Cheers,

Jack

Mongers,

I go to Black and Madahos several times per year, generally when friends from out of town are visiting but sometimes with people living in Buenos Aires. Neither place is a clip joint nor a rip-off. They have a set of transparent business practices that they abide by. They never try to make the customer pay for unwanted drinks or any of that nonsense. Yes, they are much more expensive than other places, and the drink prices are beyond ridiculous. However, I have yet to bring an out of town visitor who was not extremely impressed with either of these places. The bottom line is that these places usually have a strong selection of doable chicas, as long as you like late 20's and older girls with breast implants. Those looking for 18-25 year old spinners or more naturally looking girls would do better in other establishments. For the short time visitor, Black (or Madahos) can be fun places where you can fuck a hot girl for a non-ridiculous sum of money by international standards. For those living full time in Buenos Aires, or for frequent visitors, there are much better choices available in terms of both value and performance.

Suerte,

Rock Harders

Well done RH on your post. The best part I like about Black is when I go there I feel young, thin and attractive for a few hours. Then reality sets in. I also don't have as much money for some reason.

The positive thing is the spank bank is full once again. Kind of like the gift that keeps on giving.

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers,

I go to Black and Madahos several times per year, generally when friends from out of town are visiting but sometimes with people living in Buenos Aires. Neither place is a clip joint nor a rip-off. They have a set of transparent business practices that they abide by. They never try to make the customer pay for unwanted drinks or any of that nonsense. Yes, they are much more expensive than other places, and the drink prices are beyond ridiculous. However, I have yet to bring an out of town visitor who was not extremely impressed with either of these places. The bottom line is that these places usually have a strong selection of doable chicas, as long as you like late 20's and older girls with breast implants. Those looking for 18-25 year old spinners or more naturally looking girls would do better in other establishments. For the short time visitor, Black (or Madahos) can be fun places where you can fuck a hot girl for a non-ridiculous sum of money by international standards. For those living full time in Buenos Aires, or for frequent visitors, there are much better choices available in terms of both value and performance.

Suerte,

Rock Harders[/QUOTE]

Spend us$300 on a night of fun with a high end club girl [that would get us$1000 in any major city in the USA] or $40 at The Triangle.

When you meet someone who floats your boat--whatever the source--develope a friendship or a working professional relationship. You consistantly get better service from the girls who are comfotable with you; know you and like being with you. Their work can be dangerous and a known client is almost always preferable to a stranger.

I have an Exxon style relationship with girls that I intially met a Blacks, las lopez and a couple from word of mouth. I if I lined them up in front of you dressed and made-up in the way then stop by my apartment to tickle my fancy, you could never guess who came from where. The las lopez and blacks girls both tell me the same thing: don't come to the club to meet me. They both did not start to really deliver great service until the tarnish rubbed off. they think that the customers who go to those clubs are idiots to be ripped-off.

Maybe I tend to attract and like women who think that way and I am not getting a true view of what the upper end boliche girls think about the patrons; but the message I've received is pretty clear. I do enjoy occassionally going to Blacks--Daniel is a good guy and I am paying for the atmosphere. I'll blow us$100 to enjoy a few hours at Madahos--the same way I might do the same thing at a gentlemen's club in the states. It's rare that I'll actually take a girl out. I've been to Madahoes with Exxon within the last year.

The real gems are developed over time--this is Exxon's message. If you spend time with a hot girl from Blacks--send her an email; bring her a small gift from the usa; call her to say hello when you are in the states; invite her to a pre-work dinner. The service will improve and she will be embarrased to ask for us$200, becuase she knows you and likes you or at least values you as a good client. She'll introduce you to her friends who work and tell them that you are a good guy. You will have fewer poor or below average experiences.

SPEND your money how ever you please. This boy learned something from Exxon and Dick Head that is worth learning weather you prefer 100 pesos gals or the glamorous babes at the Recoletta clubs.

Stan from your past posts and Exxon's. You both visit some of the same places. Exxon is loaded half the time he is posting and inadvertently is not as diplomatic as he could be, but I learned something valuable from him.

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers,

I go to Black and Madahos several times per year, generally when friends from out of town are visiting but sometimes with people living in Buenos Aires. Neither place is a clip joint nor a rip-off. They have a set of transparent business practices that they abide by. They never try to make the customer pay for unwanted drinks or any of that nonsense. Yes, they are much more expensive than other places, and the drink prices are beyond ridiculous. However, I have yet to bring an out of town visitor who was not extremely impressed with either of these places. The bottom line is that these places usually have a strong selection of doable chicas, as long as you like late 20's and older girls with breast implants. Those looking for 18-25 year old spinners or more naturally looking girls would do better in other establishments. For the short time visitor, Black (or Madahos) can be fun places where you can fuck a hot girl for a non-ridiculous sum of money by international standards. For those living full time in Buenos Aires, or for frequent visitors, there are much better choices available in terms of both value and performance.

Suerte,

Rock Harders[/QUOTE]I largely agree. I don't pretend to tell anyone what to do with their mongering dollars, or which experience [b]is[/b] better than another, or who is the [i]smarter[/i] monger, or how best to approach these issues, or what the [b][i]correct[/i][/b] price is for this or that.

This site is all about sharing information, and it's a great forum for that. I do object, however, when someone consistently claims that they have some superior strategy, which boils down to price, and thinks they can impose that world view on others. Price just isn't the central issue for me, at least not right now.

If there are folks here who think that they can consistently find pearls where others find swine, that they can find that diamond in the rough -- then great for them. I'm not going to pretend to tell them that they're missing out on the high life, nor do I believe they are.

I just object when someone tells me how I should go about having a good time and how much I should spend doing it. If that's what I wanted, I'd get married.

Other than that, I agree with everything Exon said.

Anyone get stared down here recently by a group of chicas?

I don't miss that at all.

[QUOTE=Esten]Anyone get stared down here recently by a group of chicas?

I don't miss that at all.[/QUOTE]I do miss that.

[QUOTE=Miami Bob]Spend us$300 on a night of fun with a high end club girl [that would get us$1000 in any major city in the USA] or $40 at The Triangle.

The real gems are developed over time--this is Exxon's message. If you spend time with a hot girl from Blacks--send her an email; bring her a small gift from the usa; call her to say hello when you are in the states; invite her to a pre-work dinner. The service will improve and she will be embarrased to ask for us$200, becuase she knows you and likes you or at least values you as a good client. She'll introduce you to her friends who work and tell them that you are a good guy. You will have fewer poor or below average experiences.[/QUOTE]True that Miami Bob! It's amazing how people for get that these girls are "real" people too with feelings and not just Gentlemen Juice Containers. Treat people with respect and in turn you will get respect back.

Only two weeks to go and I can't wait! I did exactly what you said and treated this SUPER fine Domician chick from Blacks (like a real person with feelings (calls, flowers on her birthday. And now I have a "girlfriend" in BA who's going to rock my world for free / almost free and all I had to do was be nice to her.

Shocking!

No one can consistently find new gems. You pays your money and takes your chances. Last year I met a very hot Madahoes' girls on one of my last nights in BA and I was too sick with the flu to take her out. She was very sweet and spent a long time chatting with me while nursing a drink for over an hour. I was impressed--wow--she is actually treating me like an human being + she was very hot. WE traded email addresses and telephone numbers and I gave her a 50 pesos tip because she kept me company without pushing drinks and lost commissions by being kind to me. I called her and traded emails for 3 or 4 months until I came back with a play station 3 game for her son in hand and met her again.

I took her from the boliche without paying for a drink and aggreed on 400 or 450 pesos for 2 hours--boy was I set for a gfe--I had been chatting with her for months and had some type of rapport--NO dfk or even lfk and cbj w / mechanical sex--poor experience--got her out the door in one hour and lost the phone number and email address. She was a bad provider. They are out there in every price range. Many times this same type of program got me great service--the full boy friend / gfe experience w / all the trimmings that is not that comon to find just for money the first time out.

What ever style you prefer, the are as many types of providers as mongers.

A while back I stayed in an apartment across the street from Blacks and was in there every other night. I was stupid and missed-out on a beautiful blonde --whose face I can still remember---over 100 pesos or so. Sometimes.

The limits I set for myself don't make sense over the long run. WE all have our own way that we play the game--just like the girls. Blacks at it's high point, was a scene to remember. It saddens me to read about what is going on now. Anyone want to check out Blacks with me when I'm in town the first half of June?

As promised gentlemen, I am giving a quick update on a Black's fly by now that I am back to the States (sadly)

After all of the back and forth on how the place has recently gone down hill, I had to reconcile my past last experience (albeit a couple of years ago) with the current comments over the last six months. I just had to see the deflowering with my own two eyes.

Note I was trying to coordinate this review with another global monger but we were unable to coordinate the communication to meet when we arrived seperetely in BA. I will not throw my fellow reviewer under the bus but only gently chide "you are a fag for blowing me off; I trust you impregnated a traviesta F->M direction in a slum privado". OK, just kidding. Things happen.

To the report. Arrived at around 2am with small group in tow. Doormen blocked the entry way and funneled us to the main reception desk downstairs to say "you must pay a cover to enter the club". When I expressed in english and spanish that this policy was ridiculous, I have been through many times before, where is Daniel, etc.", the drawbridge opened and lots of "sorry, welcome backs" ensued. Moral of story: feign shock or confidence when blowing by admissions. They have no constitution to really collect and I think they are just seeing what they can suck out of the entry wallet.

Entered my old stomping grounds to find about 50 girls and about 10 guys (including our group of four) The girls were mostly 6-7 range with a scattering of 8's and the very ocassional 9. There were no drop dead gorgeous 10's walking around including the dancers, who by the way were all available for take out. More on that later. First cold shower of the evening was to realize that, like many of the previous posts, the quality of gals here have gone way down from years gone by. Either that or I am just getting too damn jaded for this monger business.

Two newbies in our group plus myself and another sage Black's vet. Newbies having more because of selection than the vets, but hey, having a few drinks with pals and oggling potential porteno empanadas.

Somehow the newbies get seperated from the vets (I think the vets are mesmerized by the obviously better talent dancing on the bar and the lounge area tables) and I quickly intercede when Newbie 1, who is obviously in love with a chica from Brazil, says "Is $400 for the whole night until tomorrow a good amount". I say "yes, a great amount. In pesos you idiot". Several of these moments happened so I must share in summary, like the front door experience, Black's has gotten worse and not better with the whole they are gringo fat cats - soak them if they are stupid enough to soak. I am sure there is a spanish phrase in there somewhere.

The "To Go "rate, now that we established some level of "been there" with the girls in the surrounding kill zone, dropped to $150-$200 US per girl, with a leave at breakfast end time. Obviously a hell of a lot higher than the privados (which were awesome on this trip, the only way to go when you are just looking for diamond drilling without all of the fuss) and a bit higher than the one hour quick hit quote of $150 US. Still a relative bargain by US standards but read these boards and there is quite a lot of chaffe on the subject.

I mentioned the dancers earlier so I want to report. No question that most of the dancers were solid 8's with a couple of 9's slithering about. Interesting change from last visit was that 1) many dancers dance at same time in different areas and 2) all dancers are available for to go. I called over manager Julian (Daniel had left apparently and thank goodness since I shamelessly used his name at door and they thought I knew what the fuck I was talking about) and asked / mentioned that the talent was way below past memory in terms of number and average. He responded by saying "yes, we had a little unionization problem in December" (I was too buzzed and horny even to dig into that one) so "we lost a few good girls down the street" and that the "dancers were former floor girls that graduated." When I said I was more interested in the better quality, he quickly said all but one of the 6 dancers would leave for a "higher tip". That number was around $400US which was outrageous but I did not say anything other than to shake my head.

My own little post report - I pulled a very cute 8 gal from Paraguay out of the joint for $150US for a couple of hours and a promise of another $150US if I elected to keep her through lunch. Don't flame me boys, it is just sometimes my M. O. (you can;t take the options out of an options trader) She was 21ish, very cute, passable english and damn sexy. When the lights dimmed and the main event got going it was obvious that 1) I was not going to get the benefit of an until noon soiree since I was too damn old / drunk / tired / jetlagged to perform to previous standards and 2) she was only so-so in bed. Great to look at, beautiful smile, sexy as hell on the street but had very little game in the cama. A big yawn from me and could not wait for her to get the hell out of the hotel. Her name was Katrina, from Paraguay, 5'5" blonde blue eye, little birth mark on chin - lots of smoke but no fire so avoid. Maybe she sensed she was not going to get the other half of the option? Who knows.

That is my Black's report. Pls stay tuned for my Area-VIP and Madahos report. All very interesting.

Alhorse, I will not soon return to your hallowed ground though I did come back a few days later to pick up a piece for my wife at Cartier on the ground floor to assuage my guilt. LOL.

Sr. Alvear

If anyone is up for a trip to Black's or New Port or both, PM me.

Did the precursory entry into Blacks last night. 80 peso entry includes a scotch. Got chevis Regal! Lucky or standard practice.... I've no idea.

The place has a lot of girls, some hot some scary. Most of them get down to hustling the drink pretty quick. One told me it was only 120 pesos (less than Madahos) I said that is a lot, and she said no it wasn't, this wasn't mcdonalds. I said in fact it was mcdonalds and she was a hamburgesa pollo. She left me alone after that.

After about an hour I left and went to Newports, which had almost as many girls, albeit fully clothed, and a much nicer vibe.

Blacks has been checked off my to do list. I probably won't go back.

I prefer the vibe at Madahos.

I have been hearing the talent at Newports is improving.

Regards,

BM[QUOTE=WestFLA]Blacks has been checked off my to do list. I probably won't go back.[/QUOTE]

I used to be a huge fan of Black but the quality and the environment have definitely caused this place to go downhill. I was last there a few weeks ago and I feel that the steady decline of the club has reached a point that I will not return for a long time.

Over my last 3 week trip a few weeks back I went there 3 times and always left disappointed. Years ago the top end talent at Black was better than anywhere (from looks standpoint) Now this place is average club with the bonus of having more girls than any other club. However, talent was mediocre. This would be ok if they wanted average prices. Club now wants you to buy 2 chica drinks for the girls and while all the girls will quickly drop there price they start of trying for $300us. I hate even negotiating with a girl when she starts that high especially when she isn't a stunner.

The club also has next to no atmosphere when it isn't packed. The room is big and the girls flock to the few spots where guys are. I love the fact that they can't approach you but nothing worse than having 5 girls you don't find pretty blocking your view of the other girls.

My Dad had a condo on the beach in Siesta Key, Florida. We went down for a couple of weeks every year to escape the cold midwestern winter.

Every night we walked down Midnight Pass Road to Big Olaf's for Ice Cream. I dreamed every night for months about the great ice cream at Big Olaf's. As I got older, I realized it sucked compared to Baskin Robbins and Dairy Queen.

My point is that Black may have fallen off the map and even suck, but I broke my monger cherry there and met the finest chica I have ever met there and it's like that first dish of ice cream at Big Olaf's.

I am saving every cent I make for a trip down to Buenos Aires and my first stop will be to Black for something I know will be more expensive and probably not a satisfying.

I have officially entered middle age. It sucks.

[QUOTE=QuakHunter]My point is that Black may have fallen off the map and even suck, but I broke my monger cherry there and met the finest chica I have ever met there and it's like that first dish of ice cream at Big Olaf's.

I am saving every cent I make for a trip down to Buenos Aires and my first stop will be to Black for something I know will be more expensive and probably not a satisfying. [/QUOTE]Black was the first boliche I ever visited, about 2 years ago. I wasn't a newbie but, when my buddy walked me in the front door and up the steps, my jaw was on the floor. The place was packed with 75+ chicas and it would have been a struggle to find a 7. I did not take a chica home from Black that night (wound up being a pretty strange night, I think I left 1707 around 4am the next morning) I have never seen that much high-grade pussy in one place in my life. Maybe it was a lucky night but it was awesome. I have been back once or twice but have yet to take out from this place.

I guess the problem is that I have found some pretty good outlets with more reasonable prices.

[quote=quakhunter]I have officially entered middle age. It sucks.[/QUOTE]

Mongers,

The first time I walked into Black four long years ago I was very, very disappointed in the quality of the inventory in what had been talked up to be the house of iniquity with the highest quality in all of Argentina. I did not go back for almost four years. Then, sometime around April 2008 I went in there with Erkinator73 and the place was filled to the brim with many, many smoking hot chicas. I have been in there a few times since then and the level of quality was not as good as the April 2008 visit. I think that both Black and Madahos can be hit and miss in terms of having true stunners in stock on any given day. My experience tells me that the two nights that the full inventory of stunners are working are Wednesday and Thursday.

On another note, a chica I have been banging a few times a month for the past few years has made the circuit during her illustrious prostitute career between Madahos (where I met her in November 2005) to La Lopez to Black and now back to Madahos. She says that alot of girls are leaving Black and migrating to Madahos because the hardcore old-timers at Black are real cunts and the management structure is more rigid.

Suerte,

Rock Harders

Save yourselves a bad and very expensive night. Black just ain't the good old Black we used to know. Madahos is the place to go right now.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye]Black was the first boliche I ever visited, about 2 years ago. I wasn't a newbie but, when my buddy walked me in the front door and up the steps, my jaw was on the floor. The place was packed with 75+ chicas and it would have been a struggle to find a 7. I did not take a chica home from Black that night (wound up being a pretty strange night, I think I left 1707 around 4am the next morning) I have never seen that much high-grade pussy in one place in my life.

I guess the problem is that I have found some pretty good outlets with more reasonable prices.[/QUOTE]Mr. Walleye,

Black was the first Boliche I ever went to on my first visit to Bs Aires. That was almost ten years ago. I guess the sensory overload on that first trip is what I always hope comes back. I too, have found better outlets but I still remember the first girl that felt my unit in 1975 at summer camp. I went back to Camp Rapaho for two years after it stopped being fun. Maybe it's me?

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Then, sometime around April 2008 I went in there with Erkinator73 and the place was filled to the brim with many, many smoking hot chicas. I have been in there a few times since then and the level of quality was not as good as the April 2008 visit.[/QUOTE]Rock,

April 2008 was my last visit and was the best six days in a row from a quality / quantity / value standpoint I had ever seen. That was the night I met the only girl that convinced me she was not really a puta. I had to go back to Monger reindoctrination school for my naive behavior.