Hook

[QUOTE=Lionadwc;444808]Where do you find them on the internet? Escort sites?[/QUOTE]I cant believe this!!!!!!!!!! BLIDOO. YAVISISO. VIVAVISOS. DOPLIM. There are a ton of them . Put google to work and read!

[QUOTE=Tumblingdice;444806]Had a look in Periplo last night. 7 girls inside. Nothing over a 5/10 . One other guy. Ok it was early at 10.30pm.

But hey, it was Friday. Got talking to small blonde , quite pretty but got a bit of overhang out front. Even though I speak Spanish and know this city inside out, she still started at 300 US.

Give me a break ! Do I look that dumb . Soon came down to 200 US. Yeah, right. Eventually when I could.

Manage to keep a straight face i told her thank you but no. The funniest part was when she said the 300 bit.

I thought she meant pesos ! Now, that would have been worth talking about.[/QUOTE]300 bit? Maybe she wants 300 bitcoins?

I can vouch for Romina too. With her glasses, she doesn't immediately stand out as one of the hotties. But a closer look and you'll appreciate she has an excellent body, almost perfectly toned and natural. Also very fun and positive energy. Had a fun experience with her ITC that I just can't post. Took her out twice. Recommended!

[QUOTE=JamesBond69;444815]300 bit? Maybe she wants 300 bitcoins?[/QUOTE]Accepting bitcoin? Oh great, NOW they finally come out to play. Man, when I was there (june 2014), not a single soul in the entire city had heard of bitcoin. I thought argentina was supposed to be hip to it, but naw ... Just internet LIES LOL!!!

The biggest problem with bitcoin is that it is being hoarded like a collector's item. To this day, all my efforts to acquire any have been bunk. I actually know a dancer here in my hometown who says she's got a bitwallet, but nobody else does hahaha!

Hi All,

For the past 60 Days I've been at Hook every night except of course Sunday when they are closed. Sometimes I've only been for a few minutes but mostly for a few hours.

Going to a place like Hook every night is not the same as dropping by from time to time. After awhile you see the comings and goings and regard the place as a workplace.

A rather odd one, but a workplace all the same. A market for goods and customers (clients) and a sale force that is also the product, It's a retail store.

In the next few days I will post my comments. I won't post the usual names and my experiences with the workers, I've purchased services from almost all of them but you.

Might be able to figure out who is who.

Some of the posts will be random, some around a common subject. You're opinions and feedback are most welcome.

[QUOTE=JamesBond69;444863]Hi All,

For the past 60 Days I've been at Hook every night except of course Sunday when they are closed. Sometimes I've only been for a few minutes but mostly for a few hours.

Going to a place like Hook every night is not the same as dropping by from time to time. After awhile you see the comings and goings and regard the place as a workplace.

A rather odd one, but a workplace all the same. A market for goods and customers (clients) and a sale force that is also the product, It's a retail store.

In the next few days I will post my comments. I won't post the usual names and my experiences with the workers, I've purchased services from almost all of them but you.

Might be able to figure out who is who.

Some of the posts will be random, some around a common subject. You're opinions and feedback are most welcome.[/QUOTE]

60

We must have crossed paths , maybe even cock-blocked each other !

Met a few New chicas .

Had an interesting conversation with 1 girl .

She pointed out a 10 that the girls say is a Lame Fuck !

Funny !

Looking forward to your review !

TL.

"A Good Man resists temptation but a Better Man Creates it!"

Ramiroism of the week !

60 days!? Wow...

We must have bumped into each other. Was there with the wife on Friday night, before the elections, a week ago.

Called a big boobed dancer (magali?) down and the three of us went home.

Fun night!

Went back to Hooks yesterday night with the wife. And this time, we had one of the worst experiences ever. (can't win anytime I guess).

Arrived around 3:00am, the place was packed with men, and there were definitely less chicas than last time. I had no idea there would be that many people on a Tuesday night and we had to sit at the bar.

After a few drinks, we really could not pick one girl that we were definitely comfortable taking para llevar. Less variety and only really Paraguayan looking chicas (that's OK, but we like having a choice). Finally, thanks to some convincing moves on the bar, and nice eye contact with both of us, we asked around a cute faced chica (by yesterday's standards) with an OK body (nothing atomic like some of the other dancers, but real nice moves and a constant smile, both on the mouth and in the eyes). I believe her name was Mako.

After some of the classic but unnecessary chit-chat she quotes 1500p for the both of us and that sounds fair, especially since she's being really playful and seems excited to come with us. So far so good.

We go to the telo in s.martin, we pay her and start the fun.Everything starts smoothly (cool three way fondling with good feedback), but soon enough all the "fun" actually leaves the room. Like something clicked in her head. All of a sudden, little to no interaction in the touching, lots of lazy laying. No "direction" taken whatsoever.

Okay, that's not what Mrs. And I had in mind, but if that's the way we're headed, why not: we're just gonna fuck her senseless and call it a night. But even that seems impossible as I'm denied any actual entry through leg tightening and misleading hand "guiding" (oops, above. Oops, above again, oops now you're under, etc).

After what seemed 20 minutes total, she goes to the bathroom. She comes back finding us fucking (that's what we were here for after all) and declares that time's up. We try to talk her into staying but no, no way.

And that's when a lame and blueballish night turned into a total nightmare: she starts talking about God, Jesus H. Christ and the Holy stuff that's love. She lectures us about that, as a pareja, we should not be doing what we are doing. She then proceeds into talking about her baby, showing us pics on her phone and totally ruining whatever was left of horniness in the both of us. The baby has a disease, the dude left her, her baby is more important than money, and some more deep depressing Dickens shit.

She's now fully dressed and we're both naked, looking and feeling clumsy, awkward and dumbfounded as she keeps emptying her emotional bag on us. She kept the rambling and guilt talk going for -what seems to me now- actually longer than the time we saw her naked. She makes us promise that we'll take good care of each other, and respect each other etc. And finally leaves.

I never experienced more mixed emotions in my whole life. I felt terrible, an asshole, a dumb jerk, a gullible chump, a slaver, a pig. At the same time I was angry as fuck. At her, at myself, at Hook's. There was also some rolling eyes and repressed smirks at the thought of the godly sermon.

Seriously, we were not expecting to pay milquinientos to be the unwilling therapists of a boliche chica. We felt cheated in the whole untold deal of paying money for some feelgood time.

We left, didn't say a word in the taxi ride back home. Went to bed with a mix of rage in the belly and cruel sadness in the chest.

A life changing experience. But not the one we were expecting.

It's 11 in the morning, I'm venting on this forum.

[QUOTE=belmont;444879]went back to hooks yesterday night with the wife. And this time, we had one of the worst experiences ever. (can't win anytime i guess).

Arrived around 3:00am, the place was packed with men, and there were definitely less chicas than last time. I had no idea there would be that many people on a tuesday night and we had to sit at the bar.

After a few drinks, we really could not pick one girl that we were definitely comfortable taking para llevar. Less variety and only really paraguayan looking chicas (that's ok, but we like having a choice). Finally, thanks to some convincing moves on the bar, and nice eye contact with both of us, we asked around a cute faced chica (by yesterday's standards) with an ok body (nothing atomic like some of the other dancers, but real nice moves and a constant smile, both on the mouth and in the eyes). I believe her name was mako.

After some of the classic but unnecessary chit-chat she quotes 1500p for the both of us and that sounds fair, especially since she's being really playful and seems excited to come with us. So far so good.

We go to the telo in s.martin, we pay her and start the fun.everything starts smoothly (cool three way fondling with good feedback), but soon enough all the "fun" actually leaves the room. Like something clicked in her head. All of a sudden, little to no interaction in the touching, lots of lazy laying. No "direction" taken whatsoever.

Okay, that's not what mrs. And i had in mind, but if that's the way we're headed, why not: We're just gonna fuck her senseless and call it a night. But even that seems impossible as i'm denied any actual entry through leg tightening and misleading hand "guiding" (oops, above. Oops, above again, oops now you're under, etc).

After what seemed 20 minutes total, she goes to the bathroom. She comes back finding us fucking (that's what we were here for after all) and declares that time's up. We try to talk her into staying but no, no way.

And that's when a lame and blueballish night turned into a total nightmare: She starts talking about god, jesus h. Christ and the holy stuff that's love. She lectures us about that, as a pareja, we should not be doing what we are doing. She then proceeds into talking about her baby, showing us pics on her phone and totally ruining whatever was left of horniness in the both of us. The baby has a disease, the dude left her, her baby is more important than money, and some more deep depressing dickens shit.

She's now fully dressed and we're both naked, looking and feeling clumsy, awkward and dumbfounded as she keeps emptying her emotional bag on us. She kept the rambling and guilt talk going for -what seems to me now- actually longer than the time we saw her naked. She makes us promise that we'll take good care of each other, and respect each other etc. And finally leaves.

I never experienced more mixed emotions in my whole life. I felt terrible, an asshole, a dumb jerk, a gullible chump, a slaver, a pig. At the same time i was angry as fuck. At her, at myself, at hook's. There was also some rolling eyes and repressed smirks at the thought of the godly sermon.

Seriously, we were not expecting to pay milquinientos to be the unwilling therapists of a boliche chica. We felt cheated in the whole untold deal of paying money for some feelgood time.

We left, didn't say a word in the taxi ride back home. Went to bed with a mix of rage in the belly and cruel sadness in the chest.

A life changing experience. But not the one we were expecting.

It's 11 in the morning, i'm venting on this forum.[/QUOTE]Never pay first.

[QUOTE=Belmont;444879]I never experienced more mixed emotions in my whole life. I felt terrible, an asshole, a dumb jerk, a gullible chump, a slaver, a pig. At the same time I was angry as fuck. At her, at myself, at Hook's. There was also some rolling eyes and repressed smirks at the thought of the godly sermon.

Seriously, we were not expecting to pay milquinientos to be the unwilling therapists of a boliche chica. We felt cheated in the whole untold deal of paying money for some feelgood time.

We left, didn't say a word in the taxi ride back home. Went to bed with a mix of rage in the belly and cruel sadness in the chest.

A life changing experience. But not the one we were expecting.

It's 11 in the morning, I'm venting on this forum.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to throw any darts but I'll give you something to ponder because I have had experiences like this as well.

None of us are responsible for the string of bad decisions people make to get where they are. I have lost count of the number of chicks like her I've met, and have nearly lost count of the number of chicks like her who ended up where they were after turning down better offers. For whatever reason so many of these chicks seem to be compelled to make the worst possible choices regarding their lives.

This chick knew she was cheating you (yes you have a part because you paid her first, settle that in the bar next time, if they insist pass) but once she was cheating you then she had to move the guilt for that from her to you by telling you that you shouldn't be doing this because you're in a couple. She was probably also venting on you because the baby daddy did the same thing to her as soon as she started showing.

If that ever happens again I'd just throw her out of the room and finish fucking the wife. Well not me fucking your wife, but you get the picture.

I do have to throw one dart though. You have a wife that likes to chase hookers with you, you can't vent about anything hoss.

Just saying,

DR.

[QUOTE=DaddyRulz;444882]I'm not going to throw any darts but I'll give you something to ponder because I have had experiences like this as well.

None of us are responsible for the string of bad decisions people make to get where they are. I have lost count of the number of chicks like her I've met, and have nearly lost count of the number of chicks like her who ended up where they were after turning down better offers. For whatever reason so many of these chicks seem to be compelled to make the worst possible choices regarding their lives.

This chick knew she was cheating you (yes you have a part because you paid her first, settle that in the bar next time, if they insist pass) but once she was cheating you then she had to move the guilt for that from her to you by telling you that you shouldn't be doing this because you're in a couple. She was probably also venting on you because the baby daddy did the same thing to her as soon as she started showing.

If that ever happens again I'd just throw her out of the room and finish fucking the wife. Well not me fucking your wife, but you get the picture.

I do have to throw one dart though. You have a wife that likes to chase hookers with you, you can't vent about anything hoss.

Just saying,

DR.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Belmont;444879]Went back to Hooks yesterday night with the wife. And this time, we had one of the worst experiences ever. (can't win anytime I guess).
It's 11 in the morning, I'm venting on this forum.[/QUOTE]Hi Belmont,

That's an unusual experience. I can't say I've had anything like this happened to me at Hook. Usually if you have an hour session after the sex is over you get to spend some time chatting. Usually the chica isn't interested in you except to know when you are leaving, as she is looking for regular clients.

But the chicas talk about themselves and it's very interesting. There lives are very difficut compared to mine. Most are single mothers, without savings and they often talk about how difficult living in Argentina - traveling is expensive, food is expensive, everything is expensive, the American dream of owning a house is not possible, making lots of money, etc, etc.

But I must say so far - knock on wood -all the girls are very nice to chat with seem amazingly well adjusted. I haven't met a weirdo yet like the one you mentioned. More weird are some of the men I've met at Hook to be honest:-).

PS.

I do think Dr. Ruiz has a point. Probably the chica didn't feel good about the situation, being part of a threesome with a married man and his wife but she got paid.

Up front and then tried to get out of the situation as soon as possible. It' not the usual situation at Hook. Unlike in America where you see couples and Lesbian couples at strip clubs I never saw any women in Hook that weren't working there.

[QUOTE=JamesBond69;444884]There lives are very difficut compared to mine. Most are single mothers, without savings and they often talk about how difficult living in Argentina - traveling is expensive, food is expensive, everything is expensive, the American dream of owning a house is not possible, making lots of money, etc, etc.

But I must say so far - knock on wood -all the girls are very nice to chat with seem amazingly well adjusted. I haven't met a weirdo yet like the one you mentioned. More weird are some of the men I've met at Hook to be honest:-).

PS.

I do think Dr. Ruiz has a point. Probably the chica didn't feel good about the situation, being part of a threesome with a married man and his wife but she got paid.

Up front and then tried to get out of the situation as soon as possible. It' not the usual situation at Hook. Unlike in America where you see couples and Lesbian couples at strip clubs I never saw any women in Hook that weren't working there.[/QUOTE]1. I have been called many things but Dr Ruiz is a first. Have stethoscope will travel, freelance gynecological exams no charge.

2. I have no, zero, none, not a bit of sympathy for these chicks. Regardless of what anybody says I have been coming here for years (2002) and I used to fuck tons of chicks out of this place for 50 bucks. (I swear to fucking god it's pistols at dawn with the first guy that says it's always been 100, I'm not talking about what I heard, I'm talking about what I personally did, it's my direct fucking experience) I would go there a couple times a week, take a chick home, generally speaking the only rule was if they did anal of not. Pick them up, have a drink, mess around in the club, a little in the taxi, then a nice relaxed session at the house.

Now it's 1700 fucking pesos and most of them have more rules than a school teacher. They spend most of their time at the club with their noses in their fucking phones and they are looking to jump you for 1700 and be back in an hour. I know them and THEY have told me they blank about half their nights. There is one of them that I offered 1,000 to swing by my place before work, fuck me, then walk into work with the baby sitter and transportation paid with some left over. I would have done it once or twice a week and she fucking passed. Not to mention my place is a block and a half from the club.

We all know another chick that works there that has a guy that would set her up for fucking life and she can't even be bothered to go to dinner with him.

They are shitty business people who have no understanding of their market and they suffer for it. No sympathy at all.

[QUOTE=DaddyRulz;444887] They are shitty business people who have no understanding of their market[/QUOTE]Argentine Wages:

A doctor in a public hospital makes about 1,500 for a 24 hour shift. $115.

A good accountant on salary makes around 25,000 a month. $ 2,000.

The kid selling you a coke at the kiosko makes about 5500 a month $450.

Average wage 6,000 a month = $461.

Sweat shop 3,000 month $240.

Desk clerk. 10,000 month $800.

Shitty business people?

These girls have no skills, nothing to sell but their bodies and flirting/seduction skills and are making more in one hour than a doctor makes in 24 hours. I would say they are fairly good in business.

[QUOTE=JamesBond69;444888]Argentine Wages:

A doctor in a public hospital makes about 1,500 for a 24 hour shift. $115.

A good accountant on salary makes around 25,000 a month. $ 2,000.

The kid selling you a coke at the kiosko makes about 5500 a month $450.

Average wage 6,000 a month = $461.

Sweat shop 3,000 month $240.

Desk clerk. 10,000 month $800.

Shitty business people?

These girls have no skills, nothing to sell but their bodies and flirting/seduction skills and are making more in one hour than a doctor makes in 24 hours. I would say they are fairly good in business.[/QUOTE]The doctor makes that money for most of his life. The chicka makes her money for a few years, and then things start going down hill. A chicka needs to make all she can, and save, all she can while her looks and body allow. Most do not.

Tres3.

[QUOTE=Tres3;444890]The doctor makes that money for most of his life. The chicka makes her money for a few years, and then things start going down hill. A chicka needs to make all she can, and save, all she can while her looks and body allow. Most do not.

Tres3.[/QUOTE]Some save and some don't, just like anyone else although it's not easy for anyone to save in Argentina with 30- 40 inflation a year. I don't find them any dumber or smarter then anyone else, except they found a way to make allot more money than they normally might.

I know one girl at Hook who owns a kiosk that she bought with her earnings and has several employees. Another is making and selling bikini. Most of them are very good with sales, so maybe something will come out of it after they lose their looks.

If they worked in a kiosk - and that’s what they would have to do if they don't have any skills or family connections - they would make about 6,000 pesos a month. If they get a client a night (and most do) and work 5 nights a week that’s 30,000 pesos a month.

So it’s not a bad deal but also it’s not easy work. They go to work not knowing if they will make anything and their job involves having to go through dozens of job interviewsa night, with many potential clients that let's face it normally they wouldn’t bother even talking to if they didn’t offer fistful of money.

[QUOTE=JamesBond69;444888]Argentine Wages:

A doctor in a public hospital makes about 1,500 for a 24 hour shift. $115.

A good accountant on salary makes around 25,000 a month. $ 2,000.

The kid selling you a coke at the kiosko makes about 5500 a month $450.

Average wage 6,000 a month = $461.

Sweat shop 3,000 month $240.

Desk clerk. 10,000 month $800.

Shitty business people?

These girls have no skills, nothing to sell but their bodies and flirting/seduction skills and are making more in one hour than a doctor makes in 24 hours. I would say they are fairly good in business.[/QUOTE]There are some, very few, that realize how short this career will be and use it to springboard their lives. They approach it as a business and maximize their earnings through competitive pricing and superior service, just as any self employed service professional would. These are not the shitty business people I refer to. I've known 8 or 10 that have bought houses, apartments and real businesses. Some of them just use this biz to pay their bills while they go to school. I salute these smart entrepreneurs.

The shitty business people I'm referring to are the ones that spend all night long in the club looking at their cell phones asking per hour for what a doctor makes in a 24 hour period. They go to work 5-6 nights a week and blank half the nights. For the money they do make, they are paying their baby sitters, boyfriends, and usually supporting their extended families as well. They never have any credit on their phones and after 3-5 years the still only own the clothes on their backs. After they can't compete at Hook they slide to Ness or clubs like the one on Marcello T. Then it's Exedra then after that the street or they are answering a phone in a remiseria. I just had one of them desperately asking for work, any kind of work at all last week.

I'm not going to fight with you about this hoss, I mean no disrespect at all. The chick I was talking about turned down 4-8000 pesos a month in a steady gig. She knows I have the money, she knows it would be steady work, and she passed it up because it wasn't 60% more which is what she charges each individual guy for a first date. No volume discount on a non marginal product is really bad business.

[QUOTE=DaddyRulz;444893]

For the money they do make, they are paying their boyfriends[/QUOTE]Golden words! 200% true.

[QUOTE=JamesBond69;444891]let's face it normally they wouldnt bother even talking to if they didnt offer fistful of money.[/QUOTE]Seriously I'm not trying to bust your ass but I honestly just realized this after I read this. I probably wouldn't bother talking to them either if they weren't selling pussy. There are some exceptions but for the most part except for the really ridiculous stuff they do a lot of them are kind of boring. A lot of them are really sweet, I've known plenty that were nice people, but not very interesting when vertical.

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We don't judge but there are better sites for you to find large uncut, well, you know whats.

Best of luck to you with that.[/blue]

[QUOTE=Tres3;444890]The doctor makes that money for most of his life. The chicca makes her money for a few years, and then things start going down hill. A chicka needs to make all she can, and save, all she can while her looks and body allow. Most do not.

Tres3.[/QUOTE]You can not save money in Argentina. Between changing the money all together and inflation, devaluing, etc. Its neigh on impossible. In Argentina you need to invest. That is beyond the mental capacity of most of these girls.

[QUOTE=Gandolf50;444897]You can not save money in Argentina. Between changing the money all together and inflation, devaluing, etc. Its neigh on impossible. In Argentina you need to invest. That is beyond the mental capacity of most of these girls.[/QUOTE]They can invest in foreign currency and the ones that have acquired some wealth have done so. It is not rocket science.....just diligence.

[QUOTE=Rocky2;444900]They can invest in foreign currency and the ones that have acquired some wealth have done so. It is not rocket science.....just diligence.[/QUOTE]The average chica (hooker) does not know how to invest or save, much less invest in foreign currency. To think otherwise is self-delusion. Their investment acumen is limited to a cell phone, some clothes, and their boy friend. The chicas who invest are the EXCEPTION, not the rule. If they were smart, they would not be hooking.

Tres3.

[QUOTE=Tres3;444901]The average chica (hooker) does not know how to invest or save, much less invest in foreign currency. To think otherwise is self-delusion. Their investment acumen is limited to a cell phone, some clothes, and their boy friend. The chicas who invest are the EXCEPTION, not the rule. If they were smart, they would not be hooking.

Tres3.[/QUOTE]I wouldn’t be quick to make any blanket judgement about the general lack of intelligence of the typical boliche girl, at least the ones in Argentina.

Some of Boliche girls are very smart and ambitious and do very well in life. One became the first lady of the country and defacto president when her husband became ill; another became the the first female president of any country in the world.

[QUOTE=DaddyRulz;444895]Seriously I'm not trying to bust your ass but I honestly just realized this after I read this. I probably wouldn't bother talking to them either if they weren't selling pussy. There are some exceptions but for the most part except for the really ridiculous stuff they do a lot of them are kind of boring. A lot of them are really sweet, I've known plenty that were nice people, but not very interesting when vertical.[/QUOTE]That reminds me of an old monger joke:

Why do women have vaginas?

So men will talk to them.

The corollary of the is:

Why do men have wallets?

So women will talk to them.

According to the International Monger Association (IMA) Hook has been selected to join the Seven Wonders of the Modern Monger World.

Blacks, Buenos Aires - a legend in its time.

Pattaya, Thailand - No comment.

Hotel Del Rey, San Jose, Costa Rica - Monger Mecca.

Bunny Ranch, Nevada - Currently operated by the IRS.

PlayClub, Cartagena, Colombia - Favorite of the US Secret Service.

Help Disco - Rio de Janeiro - capacity 500 mongers, another legend.

Hook -Buenos Aires. One of the last of the boliches.

JamesBond69.

Interesting list but would put some others ahead of these. I might suggest Bahamas in Sao Paulo ( Brazilian Penthouse models), New Cleopatra in Bangkok (Thai Penthouse models but they discriminate against the Caucasian race), Sauna 18 in Macau and perhaps the FKK clubs in Germany which I have yet to attend.

I am still interested in your perspective of the Hook bar scene. I spent over 20 nights there myself in 2014. Using models to describe behavior is what I do for a living. Everyone knows models are never 100% accurate. Viewing Hook as a retail operation is different. I always thought the girls were in the service business rather than retail. Why do you think retail?

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;444928]I am still interested in your perspective of the Hook bar scene. I spent over 20 nights there myself in 2014. Using models to describe behavior is what I do for a living. Everyone knows models are never 100% accurate. Viewing Hook as a retail operation is different. I always thought the girls were in the service business rather than retail. Why do you think retail?[/QUOTE]Sorry. I got a bit sidetracked from the thread of 60 Nights at Hook...

As far as whether Hook is in service or retail it is a retail store that sells drinks, it's only source of income. The girls keep ALL the income they receive from their clients.

From the chica perspective it is a service industry and the terms used - clients and service providers - are strictly service industry terms.

I guess you would say its a mix: service for the chicas, retail for the bar..

Anyway I think the distinction is more semantic than anything else. Can you please share with us how using models to describe behavior in a real or service industry applies to the behavior of the girls in Hook?

Right now what interests me most aside from figuring out the psychology of the women who work at Hook is the economics of the marketplace . Hook is a very active marketplace, with clients and service providers, buyers and sellers, the laws of supply and demand, fluctuating prices and only a few hours each night to close a deal. In fact most chicas don't get a client between 1 and 2 am when Hook is at maximum capacity will probably leave without making any money at all for the night after going though dozens of mini-job interviews with perspective clients.

I would say on any given night about 30 % of the chicas don't make anything - zero. nada. and most commute as much as 2 hours to get to Hook and back home. It's not the easiest way to earn a living but most girls come to it with a fair amount of stoicism and if they hold out long enough are able to make many times what they normally would earn.

[QUOTE=JamesBond69;444929]Sorry. I got a bit sidetracked from the thread of 60 Nights at Hook...

I would say on any given night about 30 % of the chicas don't make anything - zero. nada. and most commute as much as 2 hours to get to Hook and back home. It's not the easiest way to earn a living but most girls come to it with a fair amount of stoicism and if they hold out long enough are able to make many times what they normally would earn.[/QUOTE]This is why the guys on the Board think these girls are poor in business. If they would lower their price then the market would clear and they would all go home with something. I think the viewpoint of at least one of the girls I know is that she does not want to be high volume and would prefer to have regulars. She is very concerned about her health so it is a strange business to be in. There is some wear and tear that goes with being high volume versus trying to be a luxury item.

The case where the girl turned down Daddy Rulz's offer of a steady gig is more perplexing. Maybe she did not want to get emotionally involved. Once you start seeing someone that often I would think some sort of connection would develop.

Last night around 4:15 two government officials arrived carrying clipboards. They mostly stayed in the backroom, filling out reports, probably for alleged infractions. I don't really know.

The owner was outside, grim faced and talking on his cellular. Looks like Hook may be the next boliche to go.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;444933]This is why the guys on the Board think these girls are poor in business. If they would lower their price then the market would clear and they would all go home with something. I think the viewpoint of at least one of the girls I know is that she does not want to be high volume and would prefer to have regulars. She is very concerned about her health so it is a strange business to be in. There is some wear and tear that goes with being high volume versus trying to be a luxury item.

The case where the girl turned down Daddy Rulz's offer of a steady gig is more perplexing. Maybe she did not want to get emotionally involved. Once you start seeing someone that often I would think some sort of connection would develop.[/QUOTE]The chick I was talking about turned down 4-8000 pesos a month in a steady gig. She knows I have the money, she knows it would be steady work, and she passed it up because it wasn't 60% more which is what she charges each individual guy for a first date. No volume discount on a non marginal product is really bad business.

The 4-8000 pesos a month offered by D. Ruiz is really not allot of money. An 8-10 girl can make that in a few nights. There are a few 8-10's who hold out for 2,000-3,000 pesos a night because they are not interested in high volume and can get it but the reason 30% of the girls don't go out on a given night has nothing to do with price. There just isn't enough available clients and also. they don't hustle as much as some of the other girls and are new to Hook, so don't have steady clients.

The current recession is really making the Argentine clients, about 95 % of the customer base at Hook, be very careful about spending what little discretionalry income they have. I would say no more than 10% f of the Argentine clients spend their money on girls.

Most just sit around with their friends, order a few beers, ogle the dancers and leave as a group.

[QUOTE=JamesBond69;444929]Right now what interests me most aside from figuring out the psychology of the women who work at Hook is the economics of the marketplace . Hook is a very active marketplace, with clients and service providers, buyers and sellers, the laws of supply and demand, fluctuating prices and only a few hours each night to close a deal. In fact most chicas don't get a client between 1 and 2 am when Hook is at maximum capacity will probably leave without making any money at all for the night after going though dozens of mini-job interviews with perspective clients.

I would say on any given night about 30 % of the chicas don't make anything - zero. nada. and most commute as much as 2 hours to get to Hook and back home. It's not the easiest way to earn a living but most girls come to it with a fair amount of stoicism and if they hold out long enough are able to make many times what they normally would earn.[/QUOTE]2 hour commute equals 1500, 2000 pesos a month in rent. They pay one of their sisters or friends 4-500 pesos a week to babysit. Medical is taken care of by the state, lights, gas, water, subsidized, if they bang one to two guys a week then the bills are paid without a thought to the ability to earn 1700 for an hours work ending sooner than they think.

Why they do it? If they got jobs they would have to be there 6 days a week, working. This way they get to go out, put on the make up, wear the skanky clothes and all they have to do is suck a couple cocks a week. It's mostly just being lazy I think. A lot of guys think this is such a terrible thing to them, and honestly I think to most of them it's just one more cock they have to suck.

One guy a night isn't high volume, they are all fucking their boyfriends more than that. They are used to a lot of guys (yankee guys) treating them like princesses, and why not. If I could get some chick to pay me to fuck her I'd do it to.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;444938]Even well educated Argentineans are just plain lazy. Ell Ay Zee Why LAZY. Lazy, slothful, torporous, and did I mention just plain lazy? Yeah, poverty, lack of opportunity, vicious socioeconomic cycle. Blah blah blah. I get that. But I just came from Guatemala, which has far fewer resources and far less economic opportunity, and the people aren't nearly as lazy.

So, to summarize, the operative word that explains the prevalence of prostitution in Argentina, and why these chicas can't seem to get ahead, is [B]lazy[/B].[/QUOTE]Amazing to me that many of the guys have chosen to spend a large part of their lives in BA have some of the most negative views of the place. One thing that we seem to forget is that these girls are mostly in their twenties. Some of us also did not have are acts together in our twenties. I dropped out of a fairly well-known university and spent my days on the beach and worked swing shift. You can't tell it by the way I look now but I was in excellent physical shape until I hit 50 and my feet gave out. I stopped the exercising so intensely and kept eating.

Anyway, back to the point, you could not judge how financially successful that I would be in my sixties by where I was at 25 which was essentially paycheck to paycheck. However the argument is not totally fitting as I had a fairly successful high school career I could point back to. The girl I know the best was in a foster home at 16. Whereas I was out of school i still had best friends that went to college and they would tell me about books that they had read and I would follow up and read them. From early youth I always a heavy reader. Again the girl I know best spends her day raising a baby and watching cartoons. I do not think she is dumb but she is not feeding her intelligence right now for sure. This is why Daddy Rulz says these girls are less interesting once they switch from horizontal to vertical.

I don't see myself as a grossly overweight, grandmotherly type with big tits. I don't know you and I'm still not trying to start a fight but if you are a disgusting, obese, hideous, excuse for a man then OK, I guess your dates might have to suffer.

This is just my opinion, based on conversations with lots of chicks here both in and out of the business and I don't think they look at older guys the way you think they do. I think a lot of this attitude regarding how terribly difficult their jobs are comes from the western idea that all prostitution is debasement. I know some hard working prostitutes that have used their jobs to get ahead in life.

As far as the job being as terrible as you imagine, this is a letter one of the chicks posted on the local forum when she retired. The translation is quick and dirty, I just ran it through google translate.

[QUOTE]Holitas gateril family, here I am again after a long time ...
This post is written in order to tell them something I think is important ...

First of all I must dedicate a INFITO THANKS to everyone s ... Because if it was not for you, who placed their trust in me, I could never have materialized so my dreams, as my goals, including my son's dreams .
After more than two and a half years in this area, with joys and sorrows, laughter and tears, with anecdotes in my mind that never fade ... I must tell you that

I retire ... I hang TACOS! ...

Honestly this side makes me sad ... On the other ... They are very happy feelings, to deny it.
Was much time together as not to get wrong, and I say this aware that you made possible for me to meet several times larger sueitos small my son ... and that is priceless, so it is that INFINITE ONE IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU CAN EXPLAIN and in turn repay whatever you did for me.
I can hardly write because I read myself and cry of joy and sadness turn.
My life changed sharply in a matter of months and this is part of this decision already taken.
August will be the month that could see me as I believe that the last days of that but I will not be more among you !.
As someone told me that I much appreciated ... I'm going through the front door ... The victory with goals accomplished and dreams realized ... And that I owe to you! ...
I am and will be eternally grateful for everything they gave me, so I was taught, so lived, laughed at, so I cried ... But above all ... for making me feel beyond ... EVERY PERSON! -.
I love you and hope to see before my last day, both those with whom we share pleasant moments as those who still do not know me ...[/QUOTE]As you can tell, she hated every minute of it.

[QUOTE=DaddyRulz;444942]I don't see myself as a grossly overweight, grandmotherly type with big tits. I don't know you and I'm still not trying to start a fight but if you are a disgusting, obese, hideous, excuse for a man then OK, I guess your dates might have to suffer.

This is just my opinion, based on conversations with lots of chicks here both in and out of the business and I don't think they look at older guys the way you think they do. I think a lot of this attitude regarding how terribly difficult their jobs are comes from the western idea that all prostitution is debasement. I know some hard working prostitutes that have used their jobs to get ahead in life.

As far as the job being as terrible as you imagine, this is a letter one of the chicks posted on the local forum when she retired. The translation is quick and dirty, I just ran it through google translate.

As you can tell, she hated every minute of it.[/QUOTE]This attitude regarding how terribly difficult their jobs are comes from the western idea that all prostitution is debasement is certainly true. In many countries such as the USA prostitutes are considered criminals. Almost all lead double lives, telling their families that they are working in restaurants and such and the though of a male relative showing up at work fills them with dread.

One girl told me that she felt that being a prostitute was the worst job a woman could have but she had few choices, since she had to support several family members.

The fact that you or I for that matter don't see ourselves as "grossly overweight, grandmotherly" is beside the point and my postings are not to be taken personally but one can't deny that many of the customers don't exactly look like Leonardo de Capro but the service providers have no choice but to leave with them anyway. It's part of the job.

I certainly am a hypocrite. I spend my nights at Hook but if I found out that my mother or sister worked as a prostitute , even if it was to support me when I was an infant, it would be very painful yet on the other hand I wouldn't regard what they did as debasing themselves, particularly if they were acting out of economic necessity.

Mongering a complicated... Just saying....

Just as anyone (oil rig worker, pipe line layer, truck driver, etc.) chooses the seemingly dirty job for MONEY, most (boy friends and trafficking excepted), hookers choose to sell their bodies to men, and live the life they live, because of the money. If she were ugly, fat, and/or old she could not make the money that a HOOK girl might make, and would probably be one of CFK's welfare handouts, or flipping burgers. In your moralizing, you conveniently forget that most of these girls CHOOSE this line of work. They are not forced to be hookers. This is not something new. It has been happening throughout recorded history.

Tres3.

[QUOTE=Tres3;444944]Just as anyone (oil rig worker, pipe line layer, truck driver, etc.) chooses the seemingly dirty job for MONEY, most (boy friends and trafficking excepted), hookers choose to sell their bodies to men, and live the life they live, because of the money. If she were ugly, fat, and/or old she could not make the money that a HOOK girl might make, and would probably be one of CFK's welfare handouts, or flipping burgers. In your moralizing, you conveniently forget that most of these girls CHOOSE this line of work. They are not forced to be hookers. This is not something new. It has been happening throughout recorded history.

Tres3.[/QUOTE]Sorry if I come off as moralizing but what right do I have to moralize, since I am a monger.

We all play the hands we have been dealt and these girls are playing then exceedingly well. I totally agree with you.

There’s a proverb in Norway that says necessity teaches the naked woman how to knit

Prices vary according to time of night, day of week and ratings of the girls. 8-10 girls are obviously more expensive.

Lowest prices at from 11 pm - 1am and on Saturday. General rule is the later in the night the lower the prices but some girls won't leave after 4 am for any price, since they have a long commute home, so it's best not to wait too long before making a selection.

Highest prices are weekdays and between 1 am - 2 am.

There is a three tier price level:

Argentines: 1,000 - 1,500 - never more and rarely $1,000.

Chinese living in Argentine: 1,500 - 2,000.

Foreigner: 1,500 - 3,000 + (sucker price) Usually foreigners can negotiate for a 6-8 girl form1,500 and a 8-10 for 2,000. Please guys: never pay more than 2,000 !!!

There are a few 8-10 that won't leave for less than 2,000 but there are also some 8-10 girls that will leave for 1,500 but never less.

Sometimes you can offer a $100 bill, which actually is $1,200 (depending on rate) and the girl will accept.

Most girls leave once a night, around 1 am and a few leave twice. On any given night about 30 % of the girls never leave. Usually the girls who leave on a regular basis have been at it some time and have steady client they can depend on for one date a week, usually on the same night. Steady clients are mostly Argentine married older men and some are sugar daddies.

Most girls who leave are either Dominican or 6-8 and for some strange reason seem on the short side.

8-10 girls leave less often and hustle the clients less. Some just sit around all night, never making a move. They won't go to you. You have to go to them. Hey...they know their worth.

The girls' ego is also a factor. If a girl quotes you a high price and you decline but change your mind later there is a chance she won't leave with you because you didn't accept her price the first time.

In general I've gotten excellent GFE level service about 80 % of the time, as have other guys I've spoken to but of course there are always some bad experiences. Usually you will realize this if the girls are more pro: have fake boobs, ask for money upfront immediately upon entering the room, bring their own condoms. Older girls tend to be more pro than younger ones.

[QUOTE=JamesBond69;444964]

Sometimes you can offer a $100 bill, which actually is $1,200 (depending on rate) and the girl will accept.

Most girls who leave are either Dominican or 6-8 and for some strange reason seem on the short side.

8-10 girls leave less often and hustle the clients less. Some just sit around all night, never making a move. They won't go to you. You have to go to them. Hey...they know their worth.

[/QUOTE]The Paraguayans sometimes need dollars when they are returning to Paraguay usually near New Year. One told me that she saves her dollars and spends all her pesos. So if she had all her bills paid sometimes she asked to be paid in dollars. Hook will exchange dollars to pesos for the girls. In November 2014 it was 12 pesos to the dollar when we were getting 12.60 to 12.80 on Florida street. This action, of course, violates the rules of mongering. It is too our benefit now but could turn against us in the future.

I think you meant to say the Dominicans have fewer customers and tend to leave less often.

The dancers of course make a little each time they on the pole so maybe they hustle a little less.

Maybe it's being lazy, but one dancer I knew seemed content making 10,000 to 15,000 pesos a month. She is not a big hustler in the bar from what I observed and others have told me.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;444979] I think you meant to say the Dominicans have fewer customers and tend to leave less often.[/QUOTE]I think what he said is correct. The Dominicans are not as greedy and will take less money so they get more customers.