2012 Elections in the USA

Your right it does look better than when Bush was in office, with the complete info.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;423086]This is exactly what I am talking about, liberals choose a set of figures that they like regardless of if it has anything to do with current facts. WT69 the only lie I see here is yours. The graph you posted is from 2009 to 2010, take a look at 2009 to 2012 my friend and you get a much different story. Be prepared for recession II when Greece goes under after the June 17th elections and defaults, followed by the next debt ceiling debacle in August when the fight starts again on raising it or holding firm and cutting services. Since the Democrats are in the White House they will choose cuts what most adversely affect the people and not the ones that make the most sense[/QUOTE]

First, the bill was going to give equal pay for women doing the same work as men. As they do with most Union wages. It is the Non-Union places that the employers Exploit the women giving them less than equal pay.

Second, you got off the point bringing up the working girls in Vegas (Not just Vegas, but all of Nevada).

I remember 40+ years ago that their hourly charges with higher than what I made in an Hour. Now they are through the roof.

Most of the Argentine working girls are making more per hour than what I was making at the time of my retirement in 05.

So, you 1%ers need to pay more of your fair share!

I paid more than I made!

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 423154]WT69, if you are so committed to women's rights, why don't you pay all the working girls in the third world countries you visit the same rate as the top hookers in Vegas? I mean fair is fair, right?

Better yet why haven't you joined with Christina to abolish the trade all together if you are so concerned?[/QUOTE]

No Solar Panels.

Transparency. Let's see, he has made over 900 speeches since he was first in office. That does not sound like he is hiding anything.

Off course you will not hear about those speeches on Conservative Radio and TV.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;423124]WT 69, what about all that Hope and Change, transparency in government,[/QUOTE]

WT69 if making speechs = transparency then bullshit = truth. Since your boy is full of both bullshit and speeches then I guess you could say that's transparency.

From my point I would just say your boy is transparent. It is obvious he is in over his head, has no idea what he is doing, and is on a super ego trip.

Only liberals want to punish the productive to reward the non-productive.

As far as solar is concerned, even with the massive subsidies provided by the government neither wind nor solar are economically viable sources of energy.

We have already had one “Fair Pay” bill pass, why do you need another. Just political dressing for the democrats. Read the bill there is a lot more in there than that. Unions in the private sector only account for 7 – 9% of the work force, the only place unions exist in any numbers is in government which is now experiencing the same restrictions placed on private sector years ago. Welcome to reality

WT69 I don’t want to hear you crying about your retirement, all I want to know is as a champion of women’s rights are you paying your third world chica’s the same wage as hookers in Vegas TODAY.

WT69 why aren’t you out there on the lines with Christina demanding an end to this practice which so degrades women, or are you only a capitalist when it come to cuz?

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;423190]So, you 1%ers need to pay more of your fair share![/QUOTE]Hey WT,

To the rest of the world, every American is a 1%er.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson; 423200]Hey WT,

To the rest of the world, every American is a 1%er.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]I agree, but.

Too many Americans may be overweight couch potatoes, but a new study from North Carolona finds that people in 4 other countries are just out of shape and sedentary as we are. The UK, China, India, Brazil joins the US to represent about 1/2 of the world"s population. By 2020, the study predicts, the average American will not expand a whole lot more energy in a typical day than someone who slept all day long.

Scaring, since I already am known as the world's most well-rested guy. But the thought of doing it 3 times a day is scaring, too.

I wouldn't be too concerned Black Shirt. I know you are a postive dynamo when in country, so your recouping while home could only be considered recharging the battery before your next trip! I can bet they are not measuring Monger energy expenditures in these studies! Even Esten and WT69 are doing their part to expend energy while mongering to dispell the sedentary stigma!

Judging by your posts, you have not traveled much.

Most of your posts on this site are political. I do not find any posts of yours on the International site.

Only a few on this site are about women.

So, how do you know so much about women? You have been to Argentina how many times? For a week or two?

You talk about Christina. Your party views are the same as hers. GREED and NO SEX. (Santorum)

You're stuck in that Republican Bubble. Your Conservative stations sensor information from you, about what is really going on in the USA, otherwise you would have known that he has made 900+ and knew what he said.

In other words you do not know Jack.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 423199]WT69 if making speechs = transparency then bullshit = truth. Since your boy is full of both bullshit and speeches then I guess you could say that's transparency.

From my point I would just say your boy is transparent. It is obvious he is in over his head, has no idea what he is doing, and is on a super ego trip.

Only liberals want to punish the productive to reward the non-productive.

As far as solar is concerned, even with the massive subsidies provided by the government neither wind nor solar are economically viable sources of energy.

We have already had one 'Fair Pay' bill pass, why do you need another. Just political dressing for the democrats. Read the bill there is a lot more in there than that. Unions in the private sector only account for 7 – 9% of the work force, the only place unions exist in any numbers is in government which is now experiencing the same restrictions placed on private sector years ago. Welcome to reality.

WT69 I don't want to hear you crying about your retirement, all I want to know is as a champion of women's rights are you paying your third world chica's the same wage as hookers in Vegas TODAY.

WT69 why aren't you out there on the lines with Christina demanding an end to this practice which so degrades women, or are you only a capitalist when it come to because?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;423190]So, you 1%ers need to pay more of your fair share![/QUOTE]Hey WT,

Now that we've established that as an American citizen you are also a 1%er, are you now going to [i]"pay more of your fair share"[/i]?

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 423193]Transparency. Let's see, he has made over 900 speeches since he was first in office. That does not sound like he is hiding anything.

Off course you will not hear about those speeches on Conservative Radio and TV.[/QUOTE]WT,

If you take out the fundraisers, you are down about 3-400 speeches. Then you also have to offset / subtract the speeches where he took one side of an issue in one speech and then the other side of the issue in a separate speech. Then you have to subtract the speeches where he put all those qualifiers / conditions on his statements. Like the famous speech that he would pull troops out of Iraq within 16-18 (?) months , subject to conditions on the ground at that time.

Now can you really say he isn't hiding anything when he has only given 13 speeches in 3 & 1/2 years? .

Well WT69 I see you have run out of ideas and now have resorted to personal attacks. What a shame.

I have traveled extensively in South America for many years as well as other parts of the world, such as Russia and the Ukraine. Regarding Argentina, you can check my bona fides with Jackson since I've known him for many years during my travels to BsAs, you could also check with Stranger for recent trips. So like very thing else you post your just plain wrong again.

I posted when I first started to come down here years ago but got out of the habit, my bad.

Christina is so close to the Obamanation they could be brother and sister. She is not interested in the Republican point of view only the socialist / US style democrat type of steal from the productive to give to the unproductive.

You are correct about one thing, she is like all her Democratic brothers and sisters in the USA when it comes to screwing everyone to gather wealth for themselves.

I see the Obamanation is now so concerned with illegal immigrants and he now wishes to lift the cloud or deportation from their brows, the "dream act" by presidential fait. My only question is why is he concerned about the welfare of NON-CITIZENS when the unemployment rate of AMERICAN CITIZENS in the same age bracket is around 15+% Shouldn't the president be more concerned for the citizens he is sworn to protect and defend?

I am really going to enjoy waving good bye to Obama in January 2013.

I Apologize about your wisdom on traveling.

But not about you being still stuck in the Republican Bubble.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 423231]Well WT69 I see you have run out of ideas and now have resorted to personal attacks. What a shame.

I have traveled extensively in South America for many years as well as other parts of the world, such as Russia and the Ukraine. Regarding Argentina, you can check my bona fides with Jackson since I've known him for many years during my travels to BsAs, you could also check with Stranger for recent trips. So like very thing else you post your just plain wrong again.

I posted when I first started to come down here years ago but got out of the habit, my bad.

Christina is so close to the Obamanation they could be brother and sister. She is not interested in the Republican point of view only the socialist / US style democrat type of steal from the productive to give to the unproductive.

You are correct about one thing, she is like all her Democratic brothers and sisters in the USA when it comes to screwing everyone to gather wealth for themselves.

I see the Obamanation is now so concerned with illegal immigrants and he now wishes to lift the cloud or deportation from their brows, the "dream act" by presidential fait. My only question is why is he concerned about the welfare of NON-CITIZENS when the unemployment rate of AMERICAN CITIZENS in the same age bracket is around 15+% Shouldn't the president be more concerned for the citizens he is sworn to protect and defend?

I am really going to enjoy waving good bye to Obama in January 2013.[/QUOTE]

Thanks but I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on the political side. Monger on big guy

The Fed gov spending has accounted for a little over 20% of GDP in last decades regardless of R or D president and regardless of R or D unified government. Including state and local govt spendings, the total govtl spending is about 35% of the GDP- a smaller ratio than UK, France and Germany and similar to Japan. However, you are entitled to call your government "socialist" on this yelling thread.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;423231]Christina is so close to the Obamanation they could be brother and sister. She is not interested in the Republican point of view only the socialist / US style democrat type of steal from the productive to give to the unproductive.[/QUOTE]The welfare of Non-Citizens does not indicate a lack of interest for the welfare of the citizens. They are not neccessarily in a trade-off. Would any leniency on illegal American residents in France implicate that the French government is ignorant of its citizens?

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;423231]My only question is why is he concerned about the welfare of NON-CITIZENS when the unemployment rate of AMERICAN CITIZENS in the same age bracket is around 15+% Shouldn't the president be more concerned for the citizens he is sworn to protect and defend? .[/QUOTE]

Matt, while your percentages may apply well across European countries it does not compare well to an economy as large as the US, not that I am accepting the percentages you posted. I did notice you did not post any numbers regarding the number of persons participating in the funding of the governments cited via those governments' tax systems. When you have nearly 50% of the population no longer supporting government spending through income tax payments, as we do here in the US, percentages regarding government spending vs GDP become meaningless.

Matt, do you believe France is having a massive influx of Americans entering the country illegally and living off their welfare, educational, and other social systems? They welcome Americans, if you can really say the French welcome anyone, because they are called Tourists and spend money thereby pumping capital into their economy and then they go home. Your argument regarding illegal immigration here, big difference between wading the Rio Grande or crossing a geographic line vs swimming across the Atlantic Ocean, is invalid on its face. Our government is sworn to defend and protect its Citizens, it is also sworn to defend our boarders which with this new 'interpretation' of the law by Obama turns that duty into a joke. Enacting the 'Dream Act' without legislation by ordering a federal law enforcement agency to ignore the law is beyond the pale.

Obama envies Hugo Chavez's ability to rule by decree / fiat and is attempting to do the same here. This is nothing more the pure raw politics with no social conscious which liberal always brag about having. This is no different than the Democrat's stunt in the Senate with the women's pay issue or the Republican's stunt in the House with the gender based abortion issue.

With unemployment of its citizens at all time highs, not to mention those no longer counted, the government's first obligation is to its citizens and not to illegal immigrants. What part of ILLEGAL do liberals not understand?

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;423249]What part if ILLEGAL do liberals not understand?[/QUOTE]Excuse me Doppleganger, but as the forum's official "Political Correctness" police, I must advise you that we've all been asked to "[i]Drop the I[/i]":

[url]http://colorlines.com/droptheiword/[/url]

Thanks,

Jax

Must have missed the memo on that on, but I thought that memo came from the folks I was talking about who are now getting into heavy PC mode. I guess they are now legally challenged, geographicly challenged? Is that proper?
To quote Rhett Butler "Quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."

[QUOTE=Jackson; 423251]Excuse me Doppleganger, but as the forum's official "Political Correctness" police, I must advise you that we've all been asked to "[i]Drop the I[/i]":

Thanks,

Jax[/QUOTE]LMAO. What liberal foolishness. My favourite is the "I am not illegal but UNDOCUMENTED"! Bet WT69 dreams this type of shit up in his sleep. LOL. Monger On Dude. Toymann

For every illegal immigrant, an American citizen or business entity commits a violation by employing them. Under both Republican or Democrat regimes, in Texas or Alaska. In recent years, we have seen high profile elected officials or politicians running for office been exposed to this illegal activiity. So the question is, what is the underlying motivating factor in us that allow this problem to mushroom, and to enter into every facet of our lives.

It has been said that illegal immigrants exists because they do jobs that Americans do no want to do, jobs that do not pay minimum wages, or are in violation of safety regulations, etc. This is happening all over the world, not just the US. In Singapore, they recently passed a law prohibiting households from forcing their maids to clean the outside of their high rise windows. So far, there has been 6 or 7 deaths of maids plunging to their deaths. There is a word for this, exploitation. It is direct, or indirect, but we are all a part of it.

You can shout or moan all you want, but you are doing it from the point of your vested interest. Just remember that. Patriotism, forget that.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 423261]For every illegal immigrant, an American citizen or business entity commits a violation by employing them. Under both Republican or Democrat regimes, in Texas or Alaska. In recent years, we have seen high profile elected officials or politicians running for office been exposed to this illegal activiity. So the question is, what is the underlying motivating factor in us that allow this problem to mushroom, and to enter into every facet of our lives.

It has been said that illegal immigrants exists because they do jobs that Americans do no want to do, jobs that do not pay minimum wages, or are in violation of safety regulations, etc. This is happening all over the world, not just the US. In Singapore, they recently passed a law prohibiting households from forcing their maids to clean the outside of their high rise windows. So far, there has been 6 or 7 deaths of maids plunging to their deaths. There is a word for this, exploitation. It is direct, or indirect, but we are all a part of it.

You can shout or moan all you want, but you are doing it from the point of your vested interest. Just remember that. Patriotism, forget that.[/QUOTE]Illegal immigrants exist because we don't control our borders or enforce our own immigration laws, period.

That having been said, I am in favor of a Guest Worker program wherein foreign workers, under the auspice of ICE, would be allowed to work 6 month rotating periods in the USA, with an eventual path to citizenship for successful program participants.

Thanks,

Jax

The question is now about Romney's Transparency. He did it one time, running for Governor. He jumped on the education system. That did not go over very big.

So, now the only one thing he has been Transparent on is Obama Care. He said the first thing he would do is get rid of it.

But, he did not say what would happen to the people on it.

The opinion is that they would have to move to Massachusetts and sign up for his O'Romney Care.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;423295]But, he did not say what would happen to the people on it.[/QUOTE]No one is on ObamaCare yet you roaring uninformed IDIOT! Get you facts straight. PLEASE! The current insurance companies had to add coverage pertaining to preventative care (sort of, nothing expensive like a colonoscopy) , no more max lifetime limits and all kids get covered till mid 20's. Thats why any employer that offers healthcare the last two years saw their rate go viral (20-40% per year increases). The insurance companies are preditary by nature and use ObamanationCare as a great excuse to jack rates, while they could! Most insurance executives realize Obomantion is a one trick poney, BUT saw the opportunity that our idiot-in-chief presented them with. Like most smart executives, they now announce that these changes will remain in place even if ObomanationCare is repealed. The reason? Already built into the premium increases that happened over the past two years. How opportunistic, don't ya think? We'll never see a decrease in rates even after ObomanationCare is a bad memory! The Idiot-in-chief is certainly the gift that keeps on giving. The horrible foolish legacy he has created will be with us for years to come.

All other ongoing ObamanationCare actions relate to building bigger government (more IRS agents, creation of death panels, etc, etc, etc). I understand you barely made it through high school, and the stamps in your passport are quite impressive (in your own mind) , BUT. What stops you from getting educated on the issue? Lots of facts out there! You are retired on your sad union pension (whats up with that dude? No hindsight thoughts on the value of unions) , I suggest you get your facts straight before spouting off with more babble on socialism, vietnam, war, republicans, etc, etc, etc. I thought you wanted this thread closed? Better you remain silent and be thought a fool than open you mouth and remove all doubt!

Monger on Pelosi. Toymann.

Ps. I forgot, too poor to return to Argentina, disregard the "monger on" comment.

Tell Romney, he said it, not me!

Who's The [B]IDIOTS? [/B] That would be the Republicans, they're the ones Talking about getting rid of it, before it starts.

I can't wait to go Back "More of the Same," Bush's Shit.

How Low Can We Go?

[QUOTE=Toymann; 423301]No one is on ObamaCare yet you roaring uninformed IDIOT! Get you facts straight. PLEASE! The current insurance companies had to add coverage pertaining to preventative care (sort of, nothing expensive like a colonoscopy) , no more max lifetime limits and all kids get covered till mid 20's. Thats why any employer that offers healthcare the last two years saw their rate go viral (20-40% per year increases). The insurance companies are preditary by nature and use ObamanationCare as a great excuse to jack rates, while they could! Most insurance executives realize Obomantion is a one trick poney, BUT saw the opportunity that our idiot-in-chief presented them with. Like most smart executives, they now announce that these changes will remain in place even if ObomanationCare is repealed. The reason? Already built into the premium increases that happened over the past two years. How opportunistic, don't ya think? We'll never see a decrease in rates even after ObomanationCare is a bad memory! The Idiot-in-chief is certainly the gift that keeps on giving. The horrible foolish legacy he has created will be with us for years to come.

All other ongoing ObamanationCare actions relate to building bigger government (more IRS agents, creation of death panels, etc, etc, etc). I understand you barely made it through high school, and the stamps in your passport are quite impressive (in your own mind) , BUT. What stops you from getting educated on the issue? Lots of facts out there! You are retired on your sad union pension (whats up with that dude? No hindsight thoughts on the value of unions) , I suggest you get your facts straight before spouting off with more babble on socialism, vietnam, war, republicans, etc, etc, etc. I thought you wanted this thread closed? Better you remain silent and be thought a fool than open you mouth and remove all doubt!

Monger on Pelosi. Toymann.

Ps. I forgot, too poor to return to Argentina, disregard the monger on comment.[/QUOTE]

It just keeps getting worse. Obama has imposed new regulations to prevent rapes in prison. Cost of $7 billion dollars in red tape paperwork. Nothing actually done to prevent rapes. Just onerous beaurocratic red tape that will not prevent a single rape. And who does Obama think will pay for this nonsense. Birdbrain Obama probably thinks public sector jobs will pay for this. If Obama had a functioning brain cell he would realize that every cent of that wasted $7 billion dollars comes from the private sector. And now, gracias a Obama, the private sector has $7 billion dollars less available for hiring workers.

Of course, these new regulations pale in comparison to some of Obama's other ideas to stimulate the economy. For example, the Obama administration distributed $9 billion in economic “stimulus” funds to solar and wind projects in 2009-11 that created, as the end result, 910 “direct” jobs -- annual operation and maintenance positions -- meaning that it cost about $9.8 million to establish each of those long-term jobs.

Maybe we can convince Obama to join his wife on a world cruise to nowhere for the remainder of his first and only term.

Her speech in London yesterday was an inspiration of what politicains and government officials should be all about. No bitter self serving talk about her years of house arrest, she graciously compliments her former tormentors on the recent reforms and elections this year. It was all about the hopes of the people of Myamma for the future.

In comparison, our politicians look like a bunch of drug-dealers. Disregarding the welfare of it's citizens, they behave as sore losers, and we, the citizens, have to swollow the bickery, venom and the grandstanding.

I haven't commented much in a long time, largely because I would just be repeating myself (and I have been living in a spiderhole in the desert. Not really).

This week has been great. There are only three words needed to understand the final nail in the coffin for the Obama presidency: Fast and Furious. The AG has already acknowledged that he is a habitual liar to Congress, while under oath. If he was a major league pitcher, he'd be behind bars by now. The use of EP by the WH this week is a giant red flag that the WH, at the highest levels, was involved in F&F. If that wasn't the case, they would have no problem throwing Holder under the bus (occupational hazard that they all accept). Therefore, it is just a matter of time before there is proof of complicity on the parts of both the WH and AG in over 2500 felonies (each of the 'walked' weapons allowed to cross the border) and the more than 300 Mexican deaths, and the death of Brian terry, at the hands of drug cartels utilizing Obama and Holder's assault weapons. If these two mass criminals were in the private sector, they would be on the receiving end of RICO prosecutions. This makes Watergate look like a Punch and Judy show.

Please don't respond with it started under Bush, it did not. Operation Wide Receiver was nothing like Fast and Furious and was shut down in 2007. Fast and Furious began in October 2009 and the feds involved made no effort to safeguard anyone or to track the weapons - in fact they took extraordinary steps to not track the weapons and to ensure that they made it unmolested into the hands of some of the most violent people on earth. The only thing they were doing was waiting to find the weapons at crime scenes. Ergo, the guns were provided for the purpose of facilitating violent crime. Please don't respond with CNN talking points, if you don't have your facts on this, save your breath.

Anyone involved in developing and executing this plan should be investigated and those responsible should be prosecuted, starting with Obama and Holder.

Obama will lose in November in a landslide due to the fall out from his miserable failure at everything during the past three years. He should be happy with that result. If reelected, he will be the second consecutive Democrat president to be impeached.

If romney was prez I would not be alloweed to rehab from my strok in BA I would be snt to SLC for religious retraining. I can astill get a paycheckrehabing in BA under Obama LOL

[QUOTE=Gato Hunter;423425]If romney was prez I would not be alloweed to rehab from my strok in BA I would be snt to SLC for religious retraining. I can astill get a paycheckrehabing in BA under Obama LOL[/QUOTE]You can have all the wives you want. Now that we have all of the fallacious stereo types of Mormons out of the way.

As far as I know, there are no govt health benefits available to you or me today that weren't available to us in October 2008. Obamacare benefits won't kick in until '14, if it doesn't get shot down by the Supremes.

No matter our political differences, I wish you the speediest and naughtiest recovery, possible!

WW, its multiple choice for what brings down the Obama administration: the economy, lack of jobs, foreign policy or lack thereof, F&F or the security leaks to make Obama look like a real tough guy.

Your right about one thing, Obama's extending executive privilege, questionable at best, to Holder and the DOJ only reinforces the perception of White House involvement at a level damaging to Obama. Add to this Pelosi's pathetic attempt to link the contempt charges with Holder's DOJ attempting to block voter I'd laws in several states, after the Supreme Court ruled such laws are constitutional, only adds credence to the impression Obama has something to hide. Remember Holder was the architect of the Mark Rich pardon under Clinton, who received large sums from Rich's wife for his presidential library, so what do you expect.

Now three years into Obama's presidency have serious fact checking of his prior books been undertaken with astonishing results. The man lied over and over in both his books, I'm sure this comes as a shock to some of you.

I agree with you WW, when the voting is over it will not be close, I only hope the Republicans take both the House and the Senate and that those elected will serve the interest of the nation as a whole, reign in spending and reduce both the Nanny State and the federal government in general. They can start with abolishing the EPA, Department of Energy and Education.

Greetings everyone,

I was searching the internet for information on Obama's management style and I came across this:

[quote]Ineptocracy.

(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy). A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.[/QUOTE]What I want to know from Esten, WT69 and the other liberals here is: What part of [i]"the members of society least likely to sustain themselves...are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers"[/i] do you not understand?

Thanks,

Jackson

The only thing Fast and Furious about this story is Republican Darrell Issa's masturbating at the thought of being another hero for the GOP.

1.5 years, over 7000 documents released, 7 Congressional hearings with Holder, but Issa keeps trying to milk this story for negative media coverage. They keep bringing up the border patrol agent who was shot and killed, but the idea that Mexicans would not have obtained firearms without F&F is ludicrous.

This program had successes, but also flaws and therefore deserved investigation, but at this point it's become abundantly clear what Republican motivations are. Everytime I hear of this ongoing political witchhunt in the news, I am reminded what a negative influence the GOP is in this country.

Esten as you rail against Issa you answer your own question, if there is nothing there then why not turn over the documents 1.5 years ago when they were first subpoenaed? If there is nothing there why has the president in the 11th hour tried to shield the documents via a very questionable use of executive privilege?

Any reasonable person would come to the conclusion there is something damaging there which may reach as far as the White House. What happened to Obama's promise of an open and transparent administration, or is it only to be open and transparent when the mood suits Obama or is to his benefit?

Of course the cartels will continue to secure arms, that is not the point. The point is our government facilitated arming them with a seriously flawed program which was seeking to snare an FBI informant who was then shielded.

Have you become so callow, callous and uncaring that the loss a law enforcement officer's life has no meaning when caused by weapons provided by his own government? I can assure you his life had meaning to him and his family; it was as precious to him as YOURS IS TO YOU.

Esten you should rethink that argument, it is not some place you want to go.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;423445](O)ur government facilitated arming them with a seriously flawed program . (does) the loss a(n) officer's life ha(ve) no meaning when caused by weapons provided by his own government?[/QUOTE]Yep Doppel. The points are damning. Especially as they describe Reagan's "seriously flawed" programs throught the 1980s of giving al Qaeda and the Talibans tens of millions of dollars worth of arms including stinger missiles and selling Saddam tens of millions in all kinds of arms including chemical and biological materials.

In the first case, Cheney and Rumsfled were fighting an ill-conceived proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan and in the second one against Iran.

Those very same weapons were used two decades later to kill and maim American troops.

Seems a bit more serious than "Fast and Furious". More like "Slow and Deadly".

[QUOTE=Esten; 423444]The only thing Fast and Furious about this story is Republican Darrell Issa's masturbating at the thought of being another hero for the GOP.

1. 5 years, over 7000 documents released. 7 Congressional hearings with Holder, but Issa keeps trying to milk this story for negative media coverage. They keep bringing up the border patrol agent who was shot and killed, but the idea that Mexicans would not have obtained firearms without F&F is ludicrous.

This program had successes, but also flaws and therefore deserved investigation, but at this point it's become abundantly clear what Republican motivations are. Everytime I hear of this ongoing political witchhunt in the news, I am reminded what a negative influence the GOP is in this country.[/QUOTE]You are so blinded by your own dogma.

[QUOTE=Esten; 423444]The only thing Fast and Furious about this story is Republican Darrell Issa's masturbating at the thought of being another hero for the GOP.

1. 5 years, over 7000 documents released. 7 Congressional hearings with Holder, but Issa keeps trying to milk this story for negative media coverage. They keep bringing up the border patrol agent who was shot and killed, but the idea that Mexicans would not have obtained firearms without F&F is ludicrous.

This program had successes, but also flaws and therefore deserved investigation, but at this point it's become abundantly clear what Republican motivations are. Everytime I hear of this ongoing political witchhunt in the news, I am reminded what a negative influence the GOP is in this country.[/QUOTE]Go tell your Bull Shit to the Brain Terry family. Your post is complete 'word salad', you are hopelessly confused!

It just keeps getting better. First Bill Clinton slides a wet sloppy brown on Obama's face claiming Obama doesn't have the intelligence to add 2 and 2. Now Carter is pissing all over Obama.

I can understand why Clinton and Carter have had enough of that birdbrain imposter Obama. What I can't understand is why anyone with an IQ higher than their shoesize still supports Obama.

The Conservative press keeps saying the lack of jobs is Obama's fault. But if he tries to create jobs they say that he is raising the Debt.

But the way to create jobs would have to be by the 1%ers.

The Charts show that the Corporations are making millions by not creating jobs.

Romney said if he was president he would not send jobs out of the country. Making it sound like it was Obama's fault. He was the pioneer in sending jobs out of the country.

Also, here something about the super pacs.

[url]http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Reich-Super-PACs-must-face-accountability-3637364.php[/url]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;423497]The Charts show that the Corporations are making millions by not creating jobs.[/QUOTE]Probably more like billions in profits, not millions. Of course if you dare to criticize corporations, Republicans will say you're "anti-business".

Chronological Listing of Agents Killed in Line of Duty:

[url]www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/border_patrol_officer_memorial/chron_listing_agents/[/url]

These stats show a couple things:
- Border agents are killed every year.
- The year agent Terry was killled (2010) , the number of agents killed (3) was not disproportionate vs. previous years.

What happened to agent Terry was unfortunate, but there is no evidence he would be alive today without F&F. The stats show his death was part of a normal baseline for this type of job.

The F&F investigation isn't focused on how he was killed, but on "who knew what, when". Even if the point was to make sure this doesn't happen again, everybody including Holder agrees the program had flaws and shouldn't happen again. So what's left? Nothing more than a witchhunt for political purposes. By the logic expressed here, Issa could keep asking for more and more documents for years, and if someone then questioned whether enough was enough, we'd hear "How callous, what about poor agent Terry?"

Most people and their dog are now seeing the F&F "investigation" for the political dog and pony show it has become. It's backfiring and is now a negative for the GOP.