2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=David_33;428822]I realize you are one of the few forum members who supports...Toymann but you might want to clarify what "coming to terms" means.[/QUOTE]I admit Toymann would be wise to tone it down sometimes. About "coming to terms", you appear to be involved in a one-sided negotiation below. How much a night at Madaho's should cost, how you're going to settle the bet, how you want to settle it without meeting him, etc.

You'd have to post links to the posts you and Toymann allegedly made before what you're saying could make sense to me. As best as I can remember, one of the attractions of the bet to Toymann was spending an evening with Esten, some sort of a misguided attempt to prove that a Democrat and Republican can participate in a night of debauchery without tearing each others throats out. Kind of like that Michael Jackson classic tune Ebony and Ivory, applied to politics. It didn't work out that way because of scheduling conflicts though.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;428824]About "coming to terms", you appear to be involved in a one-sided negotiation below. How much a night at Madaho's should cost, how you're going to settle the bet, how you want to settle it without meeting him, etc. You'd have to post links to the posts before what you're saying could make sense to me.[/QUOTE]I have no need to make any sense to you. Read back on the forum and you will see how Toymann out of nowhere began to insult me whenever I pointed out the dangers in electing a Mormon as President. He then put up his bet on the forum. I accepted on the forum. WHY would I want to have anything to do personally with someone who was dedicated to insulting me personally? This is why I proposed giving the money to Jackson. If Obama wins and Toymann tries to worm out of paying the bet, he will show himself to be completely despicable. Those who know me know that I will pay the bet if the Mormon wins. I keep my promises. This is why I am respected on the forums and continue to help more ISG members in one week than the worthless Toymann has in his entire life.

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 428823]Member #2041.

Sorry to ruin your day. Maybe you would like the pollsters to make corrections for the ratio of democratic to republican voters in a poll. But polls almost never do that and the CNN poll absolutely did not make that correction.

The 2008 presidential election had a 39-32-29 democratic / republican / independent breakdown. Almost all polls this year mirror the 2008 breakdown or have the breakdown even more skewed toward democrats. That is why most polls in 2012 favor Obama.

Gallup says the breakdown this election should be +1 Republican which will invalidate almost all polls taken in 2012.

But getting back to your idea that the CNN poll somehow adjusted for the large percentage of Democrats in their poll. That is a fantasy.

By the way, there is a reason Republicans are underepresented in most polls. Republicans, for one reason or another, are less likely to participate in polls. Consequently, most polls underestimate the Republican vote by up to one per cent. This is probably just what you, member 2041, wanted to hear.[/QUOTE]El Alamo, you proving again that you haven't a clue how polling is done is HARDLY ruining my day. BTW, I used to design these polling methodologies for a living. I do, however, expect that YOUR day is going to be ruined tomorrow. The simple fact is EVERY polling organization corrects for their sampling bias. The question is, how well and accurately they do it.

Today's election is merely a choice of who is going to captain the sinking Titanic.

One night at Madaho.

Minimum;

180 to get in.

400 chica drink.

1000 for a decent chica for a decent multi hour session (winning a bet shouldn't net you a crappy hour and you shouldn't have to work super hard to close)

150 telo fee (it's a fucking bet, spring for the telo)

One night at Madaho=1730 pesos at whatever exchange pesos are going for when paid.

This should be the last word on this subject, but it won't be.

You may now return to whatever other stupid shit you want to argue about but this matter is settled.

[QUOTE=David_33;428825]I have no need to make any sense to you. Read back on the forum and you will see how Toymann out of nowhere began to insult me whenever I pointed out the dangers in electing a Mormon as President. He then put up his bet on the forum. I accepted on the forum. WHY would I want to have anything to do personally with someone who was dedicated to insulting me personally? This is why I proposed giving the money to Jackson. If Obama wins and Toymann tries to worm out of paying the bet, he will show himself to be completely despicable. Those who know me know that I will pay the bet if the Mormon wins. I keep my promises. This is why I am respected on the forums and continue to help more ISG members in one week than the worthless Toymann has in his entire life.[/QUOTE]OK, I did read back on the forum. On 1/6/2012 Toymann wrote 'Any interest in a Madahos wager Chezz or David? Your liberal brother Esten has crawled back under his rock to protect himself from the oncoming GOP tsunami. '

Toymann didn't describe the possible wager. It could have been for a drink at Madahos, poontang, who knows what. All he did was ask if there was any INTEREST in a wager. Over a month later, on 2/24/2012, you say you're 'taking' Toymann's bet, and in the same post you say you got Jackson to 'block' him. So how are you going to establish what the bet is and get him to accept it if you're not going to communicate with him? The next time you mention the 'bet' is on 9/24/2012 when you mention you're going to collect on this still undefined wager. At that time it seems to have morphed in your mind into a cash bet that has nothing to do with Madahos.

I still don't get it.

Agreed, you are respected on the forums and help more ISG members in a week than many of us do in a lifetime.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;428832]OK, I did read back on the forum. On 1/6/2012 Toymann wrote 'Any interest in a Madahos wager Chezz or David?[/QUOTE]I didn't take the bet because I don't gamble on things where I cannot affect the outcome. In California, state propositions and municipal measures are the only thing I'm even remotely interested in. Measure B in LA, for example, is an amusing ballot measure that all members of this board should be able to agree on.

Regarding today's big prize, I couldn't give a shit either way. Nothing REALLY is going to change no matter who gets the brass ring. This country is NOT a sinking Titanic, not compared to countries that measure "fucked-up" using a completely different metric. An old friend of mine from my days living in Russia published a piece in Rolling Stone that really hits the nail on the head. If you'll allow me to post the link, I think it's an interesting read:

[url]http://m.rollingstone.com/entry/view/id/33205/pn/all/p/0/?KSID=7515d4e1423155c12d2c856592c27988[/url]

My favorite paragraph being "What's become clear in the last few weeks is that the last real taboo in America is admitting that the world isn't going to end if the other guy gets elected. The corollary to that taboo is an apparent new national prohibition against having even the slightest faith in the essential patriotism of the other side."

So, go ahead and believe that Obama is a foreign-born Communist / Marxist / Socialist hell bent on redistributing wealth and destroying the country because he's inherently evil / stupid. And on the other side, Romney is a magic-underwear-wearing religious nut / flip-flopping / ladder-climbing / corporate raider who only cares about the rich. Neither narrative is true. And really, who gives a shit? Nothing much will change, no matter which way you vote.

[url]http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/20019163/philly-da-probes-reported-voting-inspector-issues[/url]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;428832]O you say you got Jackson to 'block' him.[/QUOTE]Nope, Jackson blocked him on his own. I have never blocked anyone. During this time, I mentioned that if Toymann still had any friends, for them to give him a head's up that I was taking the bet. I'm sure he knew about it. The bet was for an evening at Madahos. Its incredible that he is trying to wiggle out of it, especially since one of his favorite topics is how much money he has. He's just one of those guys who won't put his money where his mouth is. Since you read back you saw how out of nowhere he began to attack me with personal insults. His bullying has caused many new forum members to leave. I won't be bullied by anyone, especially an idiot like Toymann, and answered his personal attacks with tranquility and without dropping to his level. If I am now using adjectives to describe this specimen, its because he is an embarrasment to AP and men in general. Now that he has shown himself to be a completely dishonest individual, one can only imagine how he managed to obtain whatever money he might actually have. Hopefully he will crawl away from AP with his tail between his legs and disappear forever. Now I'm going to go watch Fox News and enjoy myself.

By the way Tiny12, thanks for the acknowledgement.

You would think so. But despite the fact that billions of dollars are being spent on presidential elections, we do not place enough importance on election day to declare it a national holiday. So business as usual, dropping your infants at day care, opening your shop, delivering goods or services, another mundane day. In the end, what's so vital, is to keep the cash registers humming.

At one time, if you were to try to shop on Sunday, you would have found 90% of retail businesses closed. Perhaps, the supermarket, gas station, doughnut shop and humburger joint were open. I remember feeling urban isolation walking down Brand Blvd in Glendale with hardly a car in sight and every business closed. Nowadays, you find fights breaking out over a parking space at the mall so they could donate their hard earned cash. Ah, the new Temple where we can pray at the altar. Without knowing and realizing, you and I have been seduced into nothing but a being a compliant slave of Big Business. You have to work or no/expensive health insurance, right? You can't go to work unless you have car, right? Why was illegal immigration allowed to develop full-fledged symptoms. Now, do you know who owns Pepsi Cola or NBC? So who do you think holds the power? Obama or Romney?

Now, I do not claim to have any answers. But you just have to be savvy enough to play the game the best you can to your advantage. So what helps to survive: good family enviroment, education, and knowing when you are wrong (ahh, the most difficult). You start life without them, and it's uphill all the way. But I guess it has always been this way since the beginning of time.

[QUOTE=Member #3320;428828]Today's election is merely a choice of who is going to captain the sinking Titanic.[/QUOTE]There is still plenty of ballast in the sinking Titanic, fortunately. It's the crew and passengers mad rush to get to the railings that I am concern about. That is where the casualties are.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;428838]There is still plenty of ballast in the sinking Titanic, fortunately. It's the crew and passengers mad rush to get to the railings that I am concern about. That is where the casualties are.[/QUOTE]A $16 trillion national debt? $1 trillion+ budget deficits, being 7% to 10% of GDP, for the last four years? Unfunded medicare, medicaid and social security of >$50 trillion? And nobody gives a shit? It's more serious than you think. Nobody seems to have the will to deal with this. Actually Ryan does but he seems to have been muzzled, as apparently any politician willing to face facts can't get elected.

If I see a deserted island I'm jumping ship and swimming.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 428841]A $16 trillion national debt? $1 trillion+ budget deficits, being 7% to 10% of GDP, for the last four years? Unfunded medicare, medicaid and social security of $50 trillion? And nobody gives a shit? It's more serious than you think. Nobody seems to have the will to deal with this. Actually Ryan does but he seems to have been muzzled, as apparently any politician willing to face facts can't get elected.

If I see a deserted island I'm jumping ship and swimming.[/QUOTE]The only thing registering any meaningful growth in the US is the national debt. It took over 200 years for the US government to accumulate its first trillion dollars in debt. It took just 286 days to accumulate the most recent trillion (from $15 trillion to $16 trillion).

Last month alone, the first full month of Fiscal Year 2013, the US government accumulated nearly $200 billion in new debt– 20% of the way to a fresh trillion in just 31 days.

The US government is legally bound to spend more money on mandatory entitlements and interest than it can raise in tax revenue. It won't make a difference how high they raise taxes, or even if they cut everything else that remains in government as we know it.

This is not a political problem, it's a mathematical one. Facts are facts, no matter how uncomfortable they may be.

If this is not a sinking Titanic, then what is? And the only question remains really is who will "Captain" it as it goes down slowly but surely.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 428832]OK, I did read back on the forum. On 1/6/2012 Toymann wrote 'Any interest in a Madahos wager Chezz or David? Your liberal brother Esten has crawled back under his rock to protect himself from the oncoming GOP tsunami. '

Toymann didn't describe the possible wager. It could have been for a drink at Madahos, poontang, who knows what. All he did was ask if there was any INTEREST in a wager. Over a month later, on 2/24/2012, you say you're 'taking' Toymann's bet, and in the same post you say you got Jackson to 'block' him. So how are you going to establish what the bet is and get him to accept it if you're not going to communicate with him? The next time you mention the 'bet' is on 9/24/2012 when you mention you're going to collect on this still undefined wager. At that time it seems to have morphed in your mind into a cash bet that has nothing to do with Madahos.

I still don't get it.

Agreed, you are respected on the forums and help more ISG members in a week than many of us do in a lifetime.[/QUOTE]After reading the spew from david33 you understand how an idiot like this thinks. And I am the abusive guy? LMAO. You summary of the facts is spot on. No bet has ever existed between myself and David33. I also thought it was funny how he went totally black for almost 6 months and then suddenly appeared this past summer when Romney was trailing. Like most half Witt's David33 doesn't let the facts get in the way. I wouldn't stop to piss on this clown if he was on fire standing right in front of me. IALOTFLMAO! Monger on TinyDude and kiss my ass David33. Toymann

I wonder what party did this?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maL8YMPDAo0[/url]