2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=Dickhead;428887]Just because I am not dumb enough to work after I don't need to, doesn't make me unproductive.[/QUOTE]Actually it does. I figured you were still working. If you and Member #2041 (who I directed that comment at) are not it's a waste, as you're both very intelligent and capable of accomplishing good things. Seriously, either that or you've got the wool pulled over my eyes. You'd probably need to get over your obsession with grammar and spelling before you could accomplish anything truly great though.

[QUOTE=Dickhead; 428887]Earn more than you spend and good things will happen.

So if Obama wanted to reach out to the other side he should eliminate say three government agencies immediately. I would love to see him do that.[/QUOTE]That I agree wholeheartedly with.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 428913]Actually it does. I figured you were still working. If you and Member #2041 (who I directed that comment at) are not it's a waste, as you're both very intelligent and capable of accomplishing good things. Seriously, either that or you've got the wool pulled over my eyes. You'd probably need to get over your obsession with grammar and spelling before you could accomplish anything truly great though.

That I agree wholeheartedly with.[/QUOTE]And I admit, there is very little that I could be doing in this world, that is LESS productive than attempting to educate the right wingers on this venue. Which is why, after I am done gloating in a day or two, I will cease to post here. But first, shouldn't someone do a well-being check on El Alamo, who, I fear, may have harmed himself as a result of this election, and who has not posted here ever since reality set in? He did, after all, attempt to show me that I didn't understand why Gallup and Rassmussen were the only pollsters who could be trusted on this Election. And I admit, I STILL don't understand why that is the case. But I appreciated the entertainment value of his claim, as I always enjoy a good joke, even if the person telling it believes that they are actually serious.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;428911]A decent & intellligent man, the victim Milt Romney was strangled by the Tea Party. No other wounds or marks found on body & limbs.[/QUOTE]IMHO, the reason he lost was cognitive dissonance amongst the Right, and the attempt to create an alternate reality out of whole cloth:

Romney and the Republicans attempted to frame their opponent as a Kenyan Muslim Marxist, rather than what he was, which was a Black American of mixed descent who had actually successfully lived the American dream. In doing this, the rational center of the electorate was repelled by the ridiculousness of the Republican alternative.

Here's the facts: This nonsense, and the complete laughingstock that the Republican Party presented to the American Public during the primaries, actually ended up handing the race to Obama, despite the persistent 8% unemployment, despite the failure to make progress on the deficit, despite the inability to connect with his own progressive constituency, and despite Obama's inability to martial the public to support him in his battles with an intransigent Congress. By kowtowing to the lunatic fringe of the Republican religious zealots in the primaries, the birthers, loonies, and morons who are still out there demanding Obama's school transcripts, Romney insured that the ambivalent folks in the center would be horrified by the prospects of him winning.

The guy who was a pragmatic centrist Governor of Massachussetts, had he actually CONSISTENTLY run that way from the start, would have defeated Obama in the General Election WITH EASE. Heck, even I might have voted for him. Of course, that guy could never have gotten the nomination from what has become a genuinely scary Republican base with sensibilities right out of the 19th century with respect to race, gender, and social progress. It wasn't enough for Romney to be a reasonable guy for one night during the first debate - we all saw what he was saying during the primaries - about women, about Hispanics, about civil liberties, about Supreme Court niominees, and about unbalanced slashing and burning of the entire Social Security and Medicare programs, all while leaving Defense untouched, and biasing the financial costs of the nation's recovery on the back of the Middle class so that his wealthy benefactors avoided paying their share of the burden. And That Guy will NEVER win in the general election, even against about as weak a candidate from the other side as the Republicans could EVER hope to face, in as weak an economy as any incumbent has EVER run in and yet still emerged victorious.

[QUOTE=Member #2041;428915]By kowtowing to the lunatic fringe of the Republican religious zealots in the primaries, the birthers, loonies, and morons who are still out there demanding Obama's school transcripts, Romney insured that the ambivalent folks in the center would be horrified by the prospects of him winning.[/QUOTE]Bullshit.

They voted for the guy they thought was the most likely to give them free money.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson; 428916]Bullshit.

They voted for the guy they thought was the most likely to give them free money.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]As I said in my prior post. There is very little that I could do on this planet that is LESS productive an endeavor than attempting to educate the righties in this particular venue. Thanks for the existence proof.

[QUOTE=Member #2041;428917]As I said in my prior post. There is very little that I could do on this planet that is LESS productive an endeavor than attempting to educate the righties in this particular venue. Thanks for the existence proof.[/QUOTE]As I said in my entire life. There is very little that I could do on this planet that is LESS productive an endeavor than attempting to educate the lefties in any particular venue. Thanks for the existence proof.

[QUOTE=Jackson;428918]As I said in my entire life. There is very little that I could do on this planet that is LESS productive an endeavor than attempting to educate the lefties in any particular venue. Thanks for the existence proof.[/QUOTE]It's true. You are unable to educate those who are more enlightened than yourself. Gotta run - I think my point has been made.

But one last thing - Seriously, has anyone checked to see that El Alamo hasn't killed himself over the election results? I mean, it must be tough when an entire false reality that one has created around themselves comes crashing down from a head-on collision with the facts

[QUOTE=Toymann;428843]kiss my ass David33.[/QUOTE]You have been shown up on the forum as a blowhard, a fake, a cheater and a scumbag (for the few who already didn't realize that). Many on the forum are afraid to face you because you will then begin to abuse them in your customary hysterical ungrammatical posts. I have called you out as a coward and a fake. I would have paid off the bet had your Mormon won. But that is the difference between you and me and why I am respected on the forums and you aren't. Too bad you don't have any self respect because then you would go away and AP would be better off. But since you obviously don't have a life without AP, I imagine you will linger on until Jackson hopefully decides that your negativity on the forum is not worth the few bucks he gets from renting you a room and bans you. The majority of AP forum members and myself will count the days until that happens. Until then, everytime you start to brag about how much money you are supposed to have, all will remember that you weasled out of a bet to avoid paying a measily $350. Those are the facts and you can keep whining and posting personal insults; talk is cheap but actions are what count. Everytime a forum member meets you he will remember you as the loser who welched on his bet.

Anyone who knows me personally is aware that $350 is no big deal for me. Its not about the dollars, its about PUTTING YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. This is why I took the bet. As far as I'm concerned showing up Toymann for what he really is (to anyone who didn't already know), is worth far more than $350.

The case is closed.

I wish to congratulate the liberals / democrats and President Obama upon his reelection.

I find it disheartening to see those liberals / Democrats on the board are unable to be magnanimous in victory or conduct themselves with any sense of dignity or deportment upon their victory.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;428877]Good idea. Speaking of unproductive Americans when was the last time you worked? 2005?[/QUOTE]That comment shows why you are one of the few who defend Toymann."Insults are the last refuge of the out-argued".

[QUOTE=David_33;428922]That comment shows why you are one of the few who defend Toymann."Insults are the last refuge of the out-argued".[/QUOTE]It actually wasn't entirely an insult. Read my other post. I think Member #2041 is formidable and underutilized.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 428913]Actually it does. I figured you were still working. If you and Member #2041 (who I directed that comment at) are not it's a waste, as you're both very intelligent and capable of accomplishing good things. Seriously, either that or you've got the wool pulled over my eyes. You'd probably need to get over your obsession with grammar and spelling before you could accomplish anything truly great though.

That I agree wholeheartedly with.[/QUOTE]I am still working but not very much. I have accomplished what I set out to accomplish as far as work goes and am concentrating on other things. You are probably one of the many workaholics. Now THOSE people have the wool pulled over their eyes! One of the things I was told when I was training for the cushy government job I once had with the postal service,"Any idiot can carry a [B]long[/B] route. I have reached a respectable retirement age and I have no heirs, so why take work away from someone else? It is just my little way of redistributing wealth. Regarding the agencies, how many Cabinet members are there now as compared to say fifty years ago? I would combine commerce and interior; and go back to when there was a single secretary of health, education, and welfare.

Remember now, we want to do this kind of slowly. We want to shoot for a nice long, moderate expansion. Cut the deficit by 5% this year and as the recovery strengthens, go for maybe 10%. Cutting the deficit by 20% in four years would be good progress. And don't go fuck with the good potheads of WA and CO because that would be a huge waste of resources.

I agree the Republicans could have won with a more moderate approach. I think two comments cost Romney the election: the 47% thing and telling students to borrow money from their parents. If we want to save some resources, I suggest that any student who does not get a 2.0 in his or her freshman year loses all financial aid. Let those fuckers go to work for a few years.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 428921]I wish to congratulate the liberals / democrats and President Obama upon his reelection.

I find it disheartening to see those liberals / Democrats on the board are unable to be magnanimous in victory or conduct themselves with any sense of dignity or deportment upon their victory.[/QUOTE]Sadly, this reaction should be expected brother. Bad losers also make bad winners. Congrats Esten, it was close but you were right. Pm me for your travel schedule next year. Happy mongering all. Toymann

He, He, He The "Mormon MotherFucking CockSucker" Lost.

Exon