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[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;412413] However, they need to bring out the scare tactics and distortions to try to fight back the coming tide.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. If thats not the pot calling the kettle black. This was and still is the primary fighting tactic of the right wing whacko s
[QUOTE=Miamipro;412423]Hahaha. If thats not the pot calling the kettle black. This was and still is the primary fighting tactic of the right wing whacko s[/QUOTE]So right wing whackos are fear mongers. Then you will have no problem providing us with half a dozen examples of right wing fear mongering.
While you are compiling that information, I will be starving old people, stealing candy from kids, kicking dogs, tossing styro-foam into my pond, using racial epitaphs and bashing a couple of homos with my Louisville Slugger.
[QUOTE=Miamipro;412426]I appreciate the first 20 pictures of this girl. (yes I am being a bit sarcastic) she's cute. But really I wish there were more of a variety of pictures available from other girls on here. To be honest I have only seen one picture of a girl on here that floored me (of course she's no longer living here) go figure. Everything else has looked pretty sparse. The escort sites are all super imposed with photoshop. Just saying[/QUOTE]It's pretty obvious. Usually, she only exposes one boob. A liberal Chica would be butt naked.
Miamipro seems to think that Modelo VIP's camera capabilities are somehow to blame for the lack of other chicas posting herein. If MP had been around long enough, he'd know that getting lots of chicas to post and be involved on AP wasn't one of Jax's objectives, nor that of the inner core of old timers (a group I hope to join one day.
There are several wonderful women that are contributors to this site (Gysell, Ale, Lulo, Modelo, Bella and perhaps a few more. That said, the primary purpose of this site, as I understand it, is for the free exchange of information betwixt mongers.
One can find lots of great pics on other sites (a few good ones on this site too) however, if you do your homework with the info available on AP, you can figure out which chica's pics are good and which are phonies.
[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 412427]So right wing whackos are fear mongers. Then you will have no problem providing us with half a dozen examples of right wing fear mongering.
While you are compiling that information, I will be starving old people, stealing candy from kids, kicking dogs, tossing styro-foam into my pond, using racial epitaphs and bashing a couple of homos with my Louisville Slugger. [/QUOTE]Enlightening you would take the better part of my life. Which I am not prepared to do, you will have to do that on your own.
Secondly I don't need to give you half a dozen examples one will do fine to prove my point.
Fear-mongering campaign in the USA. This one devoted to scaring Americans that they will be slaughtered if Guantanamo is closed and Terrorism suspects are brought into the USA for real trials. But the real fear-mongering is focused on all of the attacks that American communities will suffer if we imprison dangerous Terrorists inside the USA rather than in Guantanamo.
House Minority Leader John Boehner wants you to be frightened: "I think the first thing we have to remember is that we're talking about terrorists here. Do we bring them into our borders? " GOP House Minority Whip Eric Cantor warned: "Actively moving terrorists inside our borders weakens our security. Most families neither want nor need hundreds of terrorists seeking to kill Americans in their communities. "
Former Bush aide and chief speechwriter Marc Thiessen warned in The Washington Post that if there is a Terrorist attack on USA soil, Americans will blame Obama because he stopped torturing and closed Guantanamo, and Democrats will be "unelectable for a generation. "
All of this is pure fear-mongering.
The only other thing I will provide to you if you want me to, is a list of the successful terrorist we have housed and convicted here in the US.
Let me just add that the media is partially to blame too because they love to sensationalize everything and instill their own brand of fear.
[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;412428]Miamipro seems to think that Modelo VIP's camera capabilities are somehow to blame for the lack of other chicas posting herein. If MP had been around long enough, he'd know that getting lots of chicas to post and be involved on AP wasn't one of Jax's objectives, nor that of the inner core of old timers (a group I hope to join one day.[/QUOTE]Actually thats not what I think at all. Its so funny how you read into things so differently and try to project your own thoughts and words as if they were my own. Sorry I haven't been around here as much or as long as you have but I actually have other things I do in life besides using this board. I was speaking on general terms. I was just venting that the pictures on this site (and no I haven't seen them all) have been of girls that are not really all that attractive. It would be nice to see a few more hotties. Of course what I think is hot might be different from what someone else thinks is hot. If during my time down here I come across any hotties of my own that I am able to photograph I will be more than happy to share.
Stop being such a hater. Its pretty sad all you do is sit around waiting to pounce on someone else's comment to try and make yourself look so righteous or superior on this board. If you are here in BA let me know. I will buy you a drink. Sounds like you might need one
[QUOTE=Miamipro;412429]Enlightening you would take the better part of my life. Which I am not prepared to do, you will have to do that on your own.[/quote]While enlighten does have multiple meanings, I was utilizing the original 'micro' meaning of enlighten to "remove the dimness or blindness" as it relates to this subject, which in common, contemporary usage means "to shed light upon. "
Were I seeking enlightenment, I doubt that I would turn to the Left or any of its propagandists, demagogues or false profits.
[quote=]Secondly I don't need to give you half a dozen examples one will do fine to prove my point.[/quote]Precisely why I asked for multiple examples, knowing in advance that you would pick one (poorly chosen) example and hold it out as indicative of a pattern as old as time itself. As a sign of good faith, I gave you half a dozen examples of fear mongering form the left, and you didn't even have to ask (then again, I may have used up your best shots.
[quote=]Fear-mongering campaign in the USA. This one devoted to scaring Americans that they will be slaughtered if Guantanamo is closed and Terrorism suspects are brought into the USA for real trials.[/quote]Come on. That is the best you can do? First, in order for you to give me an example, you would need to understand what fear mongering is. Simply put, it is exaggerating or lying for the purpose of frightening the citizens in order to influence their political views.
Surely, no American would have anything to fear from hosting the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Those people living and working in lower Manhattan would have no increased likelihood of seeing another terrorist attack as a mutli-year trial played out in their backyard. Nor would the tax payers (city, state and federal) have anything to fear from paying billions for the cost of such a show trial. Similarly, after giving KSM a global televised platform (OJ coverage on steroids) Americans here and abroad would be at no greater personal risk from the heightened tensions. Lastly, after BHO and Eric Holder held their show trial and lost through acquittal or hung jury, no Americans would be at greater risk for having our government prove to the world that you can kill 3,000 Americans and get a way with it. We would have shown the world that our own system has been perverted to the point where it prevents us from protecting ourselves and / or seeking justice. You're right, nothing here, must be fear mongering.
[quote=] But the real fear-mongering is focused on all of the attacks that American communities will suffer if we imprison dangerous Terrorists inside the USA rather than in Guantanamo.[/quote]Great point, except that while almost universally opposed by republicans, this BHO / Holder lead balloon was widely opposed by Democrats, too. FBI Director Mueler made a very good case as to the dangers of moving the 240 dirtbags from Gitmo to US prisons.
[quote=]House Minority Leader John Boehner wants you to be frightened: "I think the first thing we have to remember is that we're talking about terrorists here. Do we bring them into our borders? " GOP House Minority Whip Eric Cantor warned: "Actively moving terrorists inside our borders weakens our security. Most families neither want nor need hundreds of terrorists seeking to kill Americans in their communities. "[/quote]What is wrong or exaggerated about either of these quotes? While the first is a rhetorical question, the latter is a statement of fact, most Americans were opposed to the idea. This is not fear mongering.
May 20,2009, the US Senate voted 90-6 against funding the BHO / Holder plan for the Jihadist version of "Coming to America. " I am pretty sure that when this vote took place, there were not 90 republicans in the upper chamber (if so, I think Obamacare would have hit a few more snags.
"Democrats under no circumstances will move forward without a comprehensive, responsible plan from the president. We will never allow terrorists to be released into the United States, " declared Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the-Nev.
The funny thing about this quote is how this fear-mongering bastard, is tap dancing around the reality of what he and his ilk would do, if they weren't running for political cover.
[quote=]Former Bush aide and chief speechwriter Marc Thiessen warned in The Washington Post that if there is a Terrorist attack on USA soil, Americans will blame Obama because he stopped torturing and closed Guantanamo, and Democrats will be "unelectable for a generation. "
All of this is pure fear-mongering. [/quote]I disagree. He is stating an opinion that he believes BHO / Holder & Co's treatment of terrorists with kid gloves (not to mention all the bowing he did to leaders of Muslim Countries) has not been overlooked by the American people. Further, he believes that if there is an attack on American soil that the public will blame BHO. What is wrong with that? I am sure you blame Bush for 911. You might even believe he was in on it with Mossad.
[quote=]The only other thing I will provide to you if you want me to, is a list of the successful terrorist we have housed and convicted here in the US.[/quote]Treatment of terrorists as criminals by the US government (dating back to Beirut 1982 and perhaps further) exacerbated our vulnerability to terrorist attacks and contributed to the devastating results on 911. Previously, I have listed the many, many terror attacks on US interests, predating 911, all of were pursued as criminal cases.
[quote=]Let me just add that the media is partially to blame too because they love to sensationalize everything and instill their own brand of fear.[/QUOTE]That is like Preparation-H on a pulsating hemorrhoid (relief that is) at least we can agree on something. The media's predominant brand of fear is pro-Left and anti-right.
[QUOTE=Miamipro;412430]Stop being such a hater.[/quote]Other than a few sarcastic comments and pithy insults, please let me know where I actually spew hate. Most of my friends are liberals, some more hopeless than others. While I subscribe to Voltaire's construct of free speech and cling bitterly to your right to express it (I might go so far as to defend your right to free speech, that doesn't mean I am going to give someone a pass on disseminating propaganda, even if I like them.
[quote=] Its pretty sad all you do is sit around waiting to pounce on someone else's comment to try and make yourself look so righteous or superior on this board.[/quote]I enjoy political debate, I like the people within this community and love Bs As. I have no interest in being either righteous or superior, in fact I am quite comfortable in being neither. I do however, enjoy being right (as in correct) and winning.
[quote=]If you are here in BA let me know. I will buy you a drink. Sounds like you might need one[/QUOTE]I'll be on my way soon. I like the little umbrellas in my drinks.
Wild Walleye.
You did exactly what I thought you were going to do which is make political talking points about my example.
The bottom line is I gave you a fear mongering point as expressed from the right. I could give you five more. But whats the point? You would just try to justify those as false anyway.
[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;412436]Other than a few sarcastic comments and pithy insults, please let me know where I actually spew hate. Most of my friends are liberals, some more hopeless than others. While I subscribe to Voltaire's construct of free speech and cling bitterly to your right to express it (I might go so far as to defend your right to free speech, that doesn't mean I am going to give someone a pass on disseminating propaganda, even if I like them.[/QUOTE]I never said you spewed hate. You you like exaggeration don't you? . "Hater" is just a figure of speech but I am sure you already know that.
[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;412436]I enjoy political debate, I like the people within this community and love Bs As. I have no interest in being either righteous or superior, in fact I am quite comfortable in being neither. I do however, enjoy being right (as in correct) and winning.[/QUOTE]Political Debates can be fun and entertaining. And its ok if you want to try and be right. But where you fail is with your sarcastic comments and pithy insults. I am sure you have the aptitude of debating without trying to belittle people. Try it.
[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;412436] I'll be on my way soon. I like the little umbrellas in my drinks.[/QUOTE]Cool I will have a Shirley Temple waiting for you.
[QUOTE=Miamipro; 412438]Wild Walleye.
You did exactly what I thought you were going to do which is make political talking points about my example.
The bottom line is I gave you a fear mongering point as expressed from the right. I could give you five more. But whats the point? You would just try to justify those as false anyway. [/QUOTE]Slow down, I am just a knuckle-dragging neanderthal, I need things explained in a succinct manner. I asked for an example of actual fear mongering and you gave me a highly-defensible political position.
Here let me help you with an example. If I were going to point out fear mongering on the left I would cite something like this:
"Republican legislative efforts are designed to strip benefits from the elderly, in favor of giving tax cuts to the rich. "
Generally, these two disparate legislative issues would be addressed under separate pieces of legislation.
The kernel of truth would be Republican support for tax cuts for all Americans (no need to go into the details of how wealthy Americans seem to hire more workers than the destitute. What is left out of the tax part of this argument is that it is impossible to cut taxes for those that don't pay any taxes (roughly 50% of the US) and that the top 1% of tax payers pay approximately 40% of all income taxes collected. Therefore, tax cuts for all Americans will result in those that pay more taxes getting the largest reductions.
The lie is taking Republican proposals for privatizing social security and morphing them into "cuts" for the elderly based on no factual evidence.
The fear mongering comes in when you combine these two things (an exaggeration / distortion) with an outright lie that leaves the reader to interpret "Republicans are taking money away from the elderly and forcing them to eat dog food to survive and then giving that money to fat-cats, who don't deserve it.
WW. You forgot to mention ObamaCare, which has already been passed by the Democrats, takes $500 Billion out of Medicare (which we fund via payroll taxes) to fund what will be an enhanced Medicaid (which is an unfunded mandate) program under ObamaCare. Talk about taking from the old folks which they accuse Repub's of trying to do when the Dem's have already done it!
Of course after Nov 2nd Esten and Maimipro will begin complaining about how the election was "stolen" from the Dem's by the Tea Party and Repub's and those very stupid voters! They will complain about dirty tricks and lies. What I find humorous is I am seeing campaign ads now that don't mention the candidate is a Democrat, also I don't seem to find any Democrat claiming to have voted for ObamaCare or the Stimulus now. Wonder how that got passed?
Great political cartoon in the Houston Chronicle today, first panel shows a voter watching TV and commenting on throwing out the bums who have not paid attention to what is going on in Washington, second panel shows the TV announcing the public has been voted out. Just what the liberal elite would enjoy since the poor dumb folks who pay the bills don't know what is good for them and should have no say in the governing process.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;412444]WW. You forgot to mention ObamaCare, which has already been passed by the Democrats, takes $500 Billion out of Medicare (which we fund via payroll taxes) to fund what will be an enhanced Medicaid (which is an unfunded mandate) program under ObamaCare. Talk about taking from the old folks which they accuse Repub's of trying to do when the Dem's have already done it![/quote]That is the great fallacy of liberalism, it hurts the people it claims to help, the most: minorities, the elderly, students and don't forget the unborn (had to throw that in, start grinding.
[quote=]Of course after Nov 2nd Esten and Maimipro will begin complaining about how the election was "stolen" from the Dem's by the Tea Party and Repub's and those very stupid voters! They will complain about dirty tricks and lies. What I find humorous is I am seeing campaign ads now that don't mention the candidate is a Democrat, also I don't seem to find any Democrat claiming to have voted for ObamaCare or the Stimulus now. Wonder how that got passed?[/quote]Of course, the only way republicans get elected is by stealing elections. Please don't look at Minnesota where Al Franken was 'elected' in a disgraceful example of the democrats' win-at-all-costs approach to close elections (don't forget that his 'victory' margin was exceeded by the number of votes illegally cast by convicted felons)
Since Bush / Gore have you seen a democrat gracefully concede a close loss?
[quote=]Great political cartoon in the Houston Chronicle today, first panel shows a voter watching TV and commenting on throwing out the bums who have not paid attention to what is going on in Washington, second panel shows the TV announcing the public has been voted out. Just what the liberal elite would enjoy since the poor dumb folks who pay the bills don't know what is good for them and should have no say in the governing process.[/QUOTE]The American people is just too darn stupid to know what's good for ya' all. That's why you need a permanent ruling class that keeps you addicted to the govt teet.
The funny thing is that Americans aren't too dumb, it is just that too many of the intelligent ones took our basic freedoms for granted. They were sleeping (where they would have stayed were it not for Obama, so at least he gave us something) and now they have been awoken.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;412444]WW. You forgot to mention ObamaCare, which has already been passed by the Democrats, takes $500 Billion out of Medicare (which we fund via payroll taxes) to fund what will be an enhanced Medicaid (which is an unfunded mandate) program under ObamaCare. Talk about taking from the old folks which they accuse Repub's of trying to do when the Dem's have already done it![/QUOTE]There is another Republican Fear mongering point: "Death Panels"
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;412444]Of course after Nov 2nd Esten and Maimipro will begin complaining about how the election was "stolen" from the Dem's by the Tea Party and Repub's and those very stupid voters! They will complain about dirty tricks and lies. What I find humorous is I am seeing campaign ads now that don't mention the candidate is a Democrat, also I don't seem to find any Democrat claiming to have voted for ObamaCare or the Stimulus now. Wonder how that got passed?[/QUOTE]I am not going to complain about anything Nov 2nd. Dems deserve to loose some seats for not meeting my expectations and making good on promises made a year and a half ago. Its just unfortunate that those seats will go from bad to worse.
[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;412440]The fear mongering comes in when you combine these two things (an exaggeration / distortion) with an outright lie.[/QUOTE]This definition is exactly what FOX News is all about.
So listen up Fox News lovers. If you watch your opinionated news station daily, you will be getting a whole lotta exaggeration and distortion along with your outright lies.
JFTR. I would rather watch John Stewart or Stephen Colbert than watch any news outlet. At least they like to call it like it is regardless of party.
Wild Walleye, I think you are right for the wrong reason. I remember reading something about the convicted felon voting and most of them were eligible to vote.
However, the Democrats did steal the election through intimidation of vote counters. They sent large teams to each area where votes were being recounted. These teams wore out the vote counters until they would agree to either add in Frankin votes or throw out Coleman votes.