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"Want to get the respect and attention of the United States? Be a thug, a bully, a tyrant. "
Hunt, you don't know my posts, but I'm a political independent, neither with nor against this administration. But, your statement here (I probably didn't get the litlte blue quote box around it properly, sorry) you sure you got a good historical footing on this? I'd like to hear your best arguements for this. I know some on the other side, like Vietnam and Iraq, for starters. Also, the current sentiment in Latin America, being a long-time-in-coming response to a lot of "thugishness" over the years down south of the border that I really don't see as having served us very well over the years.
Examples you want? Here they are:
Putin, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Castro (x2), Kim Jong-Il, King Abdullah.
Do I have to stack up the dead bodies and political prisoners to convince you of these fellows' status?
[QUOTE=Sidney]Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million.
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republicans won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare."
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years. If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.
If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.[/QUOTE]Sidney, sorry man, and ya knows I love ya, but I think correct facts are critical when talking about politics. There is a lot of false information out there that people bandy back and forth, and this email is one of them.
I got to looking at the numbers and I didn't remember that McCain had carried as much as was claimed in the email and went hunting for what the deal was:
[url]http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/whats_the_deal_with_prof_joseph_olsons.html[/url]
Mongers,
Let's get one thing straight: Hugo Chavez is a demagogue and a complete buffoon who is engaging in policies that will lead to zero-development and ruin in Venezuela. He has made a living on the foreign policy stage pandering to the poorest Latin American countries that the USA has exploited and plundered over and over again. If the past governments of the USA really gave a shit about democracy and development in Latin America they would have done something other than support corrupt governments that gave away their countries resources, and guys like Chavez would never get elected.
When the neo-cons complain about Obama conducting cordial exchanges with heads of non-democratic states it makes me laugh. The neo-cons must be the last of a kind that actually believes the USA stands as a beacon of democracy in the world and has moral authority to tell other nations what to do. The majority of the citizens of the USA do not even believe this any longer; they know that the foreign policy of the USA has only been about money and "who gets what" for the past 100 years or more. The USA has never cared about democracy in any foreign state; the USA cares about which government of a foreign state is friendly and convenient to the economic interests of the USA and nothing more.
What Obama understands, and what the neo-cons never will, is that at this point, with zero credibility as a benevolent force in the region or anywhere else remaining, the USA needs to use soft power, diplomacy, and cooperation in order to better its relations with the other states of the Western Hemisphere and the world. The USA has failed to project its system upon many powerful and influencial states of the world and instead must now find ways to have a cooperative relationship with states and regimes that are philosophically, ideologically, and systematically different than the USA.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
[QUOTE=El Queso]Sidney, sorry man, and ya knows I love ya, but I think correct facts are critical when talking about politics. There is a lot of false information out there that people bandy back and forth, and this email is one of them.
I got to looking at the numbers and I didn't remember that McCain had carried as much as was claimed in the email and went hunting for what the deal was:
[url]http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/whats_the_deal_with_prof_joseph_olsons.html[/url][/QUOTE]You can't confuse him with the facts. Obama sucks and that's all that matters. Same with Quak Hunter, if the ROE's were "shoot when the hostages life was in "clear, extreme danger" then when he was in the water and the Cubbies were shooting at him his life would have been in "clear, extreme danger."
Monday morning quarterbacks.
[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers-
Let's get one thing straight: Hugo Chavez is a demagogue and a complete buffoon who is engaging in policies that will lead to zero-development and ruin in Venezuela. He has made a living on the foreign policy stage pandering to the poorest Latin American countries that the USA has exploited and plundered over and over again. If the past governments of the USA really gave a shit about democracy and development in Latin America they would have done something other than support corrupt governments that gave away their countries resources, and guys like Chavez would never get elected.
When the neo-cons complain about Obama conducting cordial exchanges with heads of non-democratic states it makes me laugh. The neo-cons must be the last of a kind that actually believes the USA stands as a beacon of democracy in the world and has moral authority to tell other nations what to do. The majority of the citizens of the USA do not even believe this any longer; they know that the foreign policy of the USA has only been about money and "who gets what" for the past 100 years or more. The USA has never cared about democracy in any foreign state; the USA cares about which government of a foreign state is friendly and convenient to the economic interests of the USA and nothing more.
What Obama understands, and what the neo-cons never will, is that at this point, with zero credibility as a benevolent force in the region or anywhere else remaining, the USA needs to use soft power, diplomacy, and cooperation in order to better its relations with the other states of the Western Hemisphere and the world. The USA has failed to project its system upon many powerful and influencial states of the world and instead must now find ways to have a cooperative relationship with states and regimes that are philosophically, ideologically, and systematically different than the USA.
Suerte,
Rock Harders[/QUOTE]Well said Rock Harders.
Exon
[QUOTE=Hunt99]Examples you want? Here they are:
Putin, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Castro (x2) Kim Jong-Il, King Abdullah.
Do I have to stack up the dead bodies and political prisoners to convince you of these fellows' status?[/QUOTE]I mis-read your comment (too much whisky late at night, I guess. I thought you were talking about how to get the respect and attention FOR the United States, not OF the United States. My bad.
[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers-
Let's get one thing straight: Hugo Chavez is a demagogue and a complete buffoon who is engaging in policies that will lead to zero-development and ruin in Venezuela. He has made a living on the foreign policy stage pandering to the poorest Latin American countries that the USA has exploited and plundered over and over again.
The USA has never cared about democracy in any foreign state; the USA cares about which government of a foreign state is friendly and convenient to the economic interests of the USA and nothing more.[/QUOTE]100% agreement on these statement. The forces of the universe are now out of line.
[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]You can't confuse him with the facts. Obama sucks and that's all that matters. Same with Quak Hunter, if the ROE's were "shoot when the hostages life was in "clear, extreme danger" then when he was in the water and the Cubbies were shooting at him his life would have been in "clear, extreme danger."
Monday morning quarterbacks.[/QUOTE]Daddy, What facts of my post on the Pirates and the actions of the Navy SEALS were confusing? And since the epicenter of all Liberal rage is Based on Ronald Reagan, let me share a quote from Sir Ronnie the Great, "Facts are stubborn things". The facts of Obama's actions are there for all to see and for each person's interpretation. The left sure wanted to vilify GWB when he acted like a warrior. I just want those fuckers to like us again!
Boy that Monday Morning Quarterbacking does suck; I hate it now just like I did over the last eight years. And please look through my posts to find out where I have defended GWB in anything other than the prosecution of the War on Terrorism; the bullshit going back and forth with this "Neo-Con" this and "Neo-Con" that is just eight years of pent up liberal rage. I still want to know what Neo-Con means? I know it means Neo-Conservative but I am stumped on the application. Somehow I don't believe it is flattering.
I would like the O defenders to take a stand right now on this board and tell me the merits of Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy, Frank and Obama and tell me where they feel our country will be in four years, not in the one or two years that we are in this fucking love fest. At the end of his first and only term we will re-visit those posts and I will issue a huge fucking mea culpa if the forecasts are anywhere near accurate. And I will tell you this fact, I am rooting for my country not against it.
And please, do NOT bring the Cubbies into this. Derek Lee and Alfonso Soriano would not shoot them from long range. They would have held their breath and swam up on them and cut their throats while Lou Pinella was directing ops.
Go Cubs, beat Pirates!
[QUOTE=QuakHunter]Daddy, What facts of my post on the Pirates and the actions of the Navy SEALS were confusing? And since the epicenter of all Liberal rage is Based on Ronald Reagan, let me share a quote, "Facts are stubborn things". The facts of Obama's actions are there for all to see and for each person's interpretation. The left sure wanted to vilify GWB when he acted like a warrior. I just want those fuckers to like us again!
Boy that Monday Morning Quarterbacking does suck; I hate it now just like I did over the last eight years. And please look through my posts to find out where I have defended GWB in anything other than the prosecution of the War on Terrorism; the bullshit going back and forth with this "Neo-Con" this and "Neo-Con" that is just eight years of pent up liberal rage. I still want to know what Neo-Con means? I know it means Neo-Conservative but I am stumped on the application. Somehow I don't believe it is flattering.
I would like the O defenders to take a stand right now on this board and tell me the merits of Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy, Frank and Obama and tell me where they feel our country will be in four years, not in the one or two years that we are in this fucking love fest. At the end of his first and only term we will re-visit those posts and I will issue a huge fucking mea culpa if the forecasts are anywhere near accurate. And I will tell you this fact, I am rooting for my country not against it.
And please, do NOT bring the Cubbies into this. Derek Lee and Alfonso Soriano would not shoot them from long range. They would have held their breath and swam up on them and cut their throats while Lou Pinella was directing ops.
Go Cubs, beat Pirates![/QUOTE]Rock you should respond to paragraphs 2 and 3, you write about this better than I do.
Appologies to the Cubbies.
[QUOTE=Rock Harders]....They know that the foreign policy of the USA has only been about money and "who gets what" for the past 100 years or more. The USA has never cared about democracy in any foreign state; the USA cares about which government of a foreign state is friendly and convenient to the economic interests of the USA and nothing more.[/QUOTE]In this perspective we are identical to every other government in the world.
So why is it that the neo-libs expect us to apologize for acting in our own self interests?
And given that [u]EVERY[/u] country makes their decisions based on their own self-interests (and not on who they [i]like[/i]), then what difference does it make if they like us?
The answer: It makes [u]NO[/u] difference if they like us or not, because they make decisions regarding their country based on their own self-interests.
Thanks,
Jackson