2012 Elections in the USA

I think comrade Esten must be living in his own separate universe. The economy moves in cycles and Obama has prevented a normal recovery, or anything resembling a recovery, to occur. Obama deserves a separate Nobel Prize. How to destroy an economy in three easy steps. Step 1) waste trillions on unproven and completely worthless green energy projects that all go bankrupt without producing enough energy to turn on a 20 watt light bulb Step 2) Downgarde US Debt by convincing every monetary body in the world that the united states has a moron as president, and Step 3) add millions of bueurocratic pencil pushers to the already bloated and inefficient government payrolls and claim, with a straight face, that these are real jobs.

And most important, during all this nonsense, keep chanting It's Bush's fault, it's bush's fault etc. ect. Keep chanting this refrain nonstop until at least the year 3000 with an eye on continuing the chant to the year 5000.

[QUOTE=Esten; 421637]It is clear that those who suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS) live in their own separate universe.

Here is something to chew on. Without the Stimulus and other government initiatives, there would have been more business failures, more layoffs, more foreclosures, and higher unemployment. The Republican argument is that this short term pain would be good in the long run as the strong would remain and the weak would be weeded out.

But what happens when more of the economy is concentrated into fewer, stronger companies? These large companies become more efficient and need less labor. And when wealth is concentrated into fewer, wealthier individuals, there is less net spending into the economy.

The unemployment rate just ticked down to 8. 2. Without the Stimulus, this number would be higher. Those who advocate Darwinian capitalism imply it's a good thing for everyone. But it's only good if you're on the winning side. And that becomes increasingly difficult when the strong become stronger.[/QUOTE] “Nonfarm Payroll +120,000,
Unemployment Rate Fell .1 to 8.2%,
[size=+1]Record 87,897,000 "Not in Labor Force"[/size]

US Unemployment Rate dropped .01 to 8.2%

In the last year, the civilian population rose by 3,604,000. Yet the labor force only rose by 1,315,000. Those not in the labor force rose by 2,289,000.

[b]The Civilian Labor Force fell by 164,000.

Those "Not in Labor Force" increased by 310,000. If you are not in the labor force, you are not counted as unemployed.

Those "Not in Labor Force" is at a new record high of 87,897,000.[/b]

By the Household Survey, the number of people employed fell by 31,000.

By the Household Survey, over the course of the last year, the number of people employed rose by 2,270,000.

Participation Rate fell .1 to 63.8%

[b]Were it not for people dropping out of the labor force, the unemployment rate would be well over 11%. [/b]

Over the past several years people have dropped out of the labor force at an astounding, almost unbelievable rate, holding the unemployment rate artificially low. Some of this was due to major revisions last month on account of the 2010 census finally factored in. However, most of it is simply economic weakness.

In the last year, the civilian population rose by 3,604,000. Yet the labor force only rose by 1,315,000. Those not in the labor force rose by 2,289,000”


[i][b][u]"Success" of QE2 and Operation Twist [/i][/b][/u]

Over the past 12 months, average hourly earnings have increased by 2.1 percent.
In February, the Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U) had an
over-the-year increase of 2.9 percent; growth in prices has recently been
outpacing growth in earnings.

Not only are wages rising slower than the CPI, there is also a concern as to how those wage gains are distributed.”

“The official unemployment rate is 8.2%. However, if you start counting all the people that want a job but gave up, all the people with part-time jobs that want a full-time job, all the people who dropped off the unemployment rolls because their unemployment benefits ran out, etc., you get a closer picture of what the unemployment rate is. That number is labeled U-6.

U-6 is much higher at 14.5%. Both numbers would be way higher still, were it not for millions dropping out of the labor force over the past few years.”

The real unemployment numbers are much higher than the pure statistical bullshit our socialist comrades would have us believe.

Who really lives in a “separate universe”?

Michigan:

The powers that be say that the Democratic process does not count.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 421634]
Repubilicans

And who would profit from those Crimped Chads?

I really was reluctant about watching the movie, because I did not want to see horses charging into cannons. But that happen, but when I watched the Soldiers following there rich Captains' telling them to Go forward or be Killed by there own friends on Captain's orders.

That was 1914.

Or Did They know what they were in Charge of?

Same as Now. Bushes War's!

Are your sons and daughters still the ones that are not Rich enough and will DIE for the Politicians that what to get rich at your Families cost?

Since then it is still the Same, the Rich, do not have to Go To WAR. Your Friends, kids and the Not TOOO Rich and Will GO and DIE! For the Rich. Is that where YOUR Head it At?

What happened to the War Bonds? They had them in the first and second World Wars.

They really only had only Two First Wars Then.

Now the ex-Middle Class still has toooo still PAY for the WARS. That Bush Started.

Please Wake Up.

Our Country needs You, Not the Poliiticans!

P. S.

I Don't have any, but I worry about YOURSP. S.

I had High School Friends died In Vietnam, for the war for Oil.

How many friends or relatives did you lose?

My Brother-in-Law still will not talk about the his missions in jungle he had to go into.

Most of you young pups were not born, then and do not know shit of this counties History.

It must only what you learned on the farms?

Well, I do not know about pretty blue eyed sheep, like you do.

But, It is not for me too judge. I am just a working man, trying to survive.

Why are you middle country people supporting the Rich when you have Jack Shit (Nothing)?[/QUOTE]

You titled your post "Republicans." Your memory is selective.

Bush and the overwhelming majority of Democrat and Republican congressmen, Ron Paul excepted, didn't start the war for oil or to manipulate the working man. They did it because they are dumb shits.

Who started the war in Vietnam? Answer: JFK and LBJ (Democrats)

Who got us out of the war in Vietnam? Answer: Nixon and Kissinger (Republicans)

What did the war in Vietnam have to do with Oil? Answer: Nothing.

Who was president when we got into World War I, one of the stupidest, most senseless, most destructive wars during the history of mankind, and the subject of your new favorite movie? Answer: Woodrow Wilson (Democrat)

Who was president when we got into World War II, the most destructive in the history of the world (although admittedly justified)? Answer: FDR, a Democrat.

Who are the lackeys of the rich Democrats who manipulate the system to promote their special interests and their wars?

Why do you post in this thread when you've said a number of times that this board should be reserved for writing about hookers?

Wt69, like most liberals, never let the facts get in the way. It's not really his fault as those breakfast meetings with Pelosi sometimes gets him all fired up. Vietnam and Oil? Now that's a novel idea, no doubt WT69 feels it's all W's fault! Too funny. Looks my boy Romney is quite nicely on his way to becoming our next president. Just as I predicted over a year ago on this thread. Not bad for a redneck bible thumping Neanderthal who is incapable of free thought. That would be me! Happy Mongering All. Toymann

[QUOTE=Toymann;421659]Wt69, like most liberals, never let the facts get in the way. It's not really his fault as those breakfast meetings with Pelosi sometimes gets him all fired up. Vietnam and Oil? Now that's a novel idea, no doubt WT69 feels it's all W's fault! Too funny. Looks my boy Romney is quite nicely on his way to becoming our next president. Just as I predicted over a year ago on this thread. Not bad for a redneck bible thumping Neanderthal who is incapable of free thought. That would be me! Happy Mongering All. Toymann[/QUOTE]Ah, yes, that cocky American, an endangered species these days. Looking forward to your press conference in November.

It must eat you guys up inside that the unemployment rate is down from 10.3% to 8.2% under Obama's watch. That seems obvious from the desperate attempts to claim that the real unemployment rate is something else. Of course there are other variables, but the official rate is calculated by a prescribed, pre-determined method and that's what everyone goes by. I guess the claim that Obama was destroying the economy was just a big lie.

Bringing up the U6 rate is also deceptive because this is not the commonly used metric. People are used to numbers below 10, so hearing 14.5% sounds bad. If you were to discuss the U6 honestly, you would compare it to historical rates and especially to where it went in 2009. It went up over 17%, but like Punter's post, the right wing media doesn't mention that. They want people to compare 14.5% with numbers they are used to. That's nothing but deception.

Pull up all the numbers and analyses you can. None of it changes the fact that the official rate is 8.2%. Most people know better and won't be fooled. Some will be fooled though, which Republican strategists are counting on.

BTW, on an unemployment chart you'll see a HUGE spike from mid-2008 to mid-2009. What caused that? Free-market capitalism. That's another little detail Republicans want voters to forget.

Right Wing Lies, Deception and Deflection. Will they be enough to help Romney win? Or will they backfire ?

[QUOTE=Esten; 421662]It must eat you guys up inside that the unemployment rate is down from 10. 3% to 8. 2% under Obama's watch. That seems obvious from the desperate attempts to claim that the real unemployment rate is something else. Of course there are other variables, but the official rate is calculated by a prescribed, pre-determined method and that's what everyone goes by. I guess the claim that Obama was destroying the economy was just a big lie.

Bringing up the U6 rate is also deceptive because this is not the commonly used metric. People are used to numbers below 10, so hearing 14. 5% sounds bad. If you were to discuss the U6 honestly, you would compare it to historical rates and especially to where it went in 2009. It went up over 17, but like Punter's post, the right wing media doesn't mention that. They want people to compare 14. 5% with numbers they are used to. That's nothing but deception.

Pull up all the numbers and analyses you can. None of it changes the fact that the official rate is 8. 2. Most people know better and won't be fooled. Some will be fooled though, which Republican strategists are counting on.

BTW, on an unemployment chart you'll see a HUGE spike from mid-2008 to mid-2009. What caused that? Free-market capitalism. That's another little detail Republicans want voters to forget.

Right Wing Lies, Deception and Deflection. Will they be enough to help Romney win? Or will they backfire?[/QUOTE]Estens tantrum translates to: Waaah! Waaah! Waaah! Punter is telling the stuff we don't want you to know, please make him stop. Boo-hoo-hoo!

Left wing Hypocrisy,

Obama has lost touch with the American people, he no longer feels our pain.

The hypocrisy and arrogance of Obama, Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton in the following video is simple stunning.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=qKdScVerrBU&vg=medium[/url]

[QUOTE=Punter 127;421663]Estens tantrum translates to: Waaah! Waaah! Waaah! Punter is telling the stuff we don't want you to know, please make him stop. Boo-hoo-hoo![/QUOTE]Who will be Romney's running mate?

TL

[QUOTE=Esten; 421662]It must eat you guys up inside that the unemployment rate is down from 10.3% to 8.2% under Obama's watch.[/quote]8.2%? That's what you going to brag about?

[QUOTE=Esten;421662]BTW, on an unemployment chart you'll see a HUGE spike from mid-2008 to mid-2009. What caused that? Free-market capitalism.[/QUOTE]Esten, your thought process are so convoluted that you're embarrassing yourself.

Capitalism does not cause unemployment. Capitalism [u]creates[/u] employment.

The [u]absence[/u] of capitalism is what causes unemployment.

[i]Left Wing Lies, Deception and Deflection. Will they be enough to help Obama win? Or will they backfire? [/i]

What Punter should have responded with is: "You're right Esten, it's misleading to compare the U6 to the U3."

But all he does is get defensive, and throw out some silly idea that critiquing his argument amounts to having a tantrum. LOL!

I would post some pictures to depict him unfavorably, but that would be childish.

[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;421665]Who will be Romney's running mate?[/QUOTE]Hey Dude! This board is supposed to be about discussing PUSSY !!

Sorry, couldn't resist. ;)

My guess, Romney's running mate will be someone both likeable and Conservative. Maybe Paul Ryan. The Conservative part is easy enough to understand. The likeable part, because Romney is very weak here. In a recent Washington Post-ABC News poll, when asked who was more "friendly and likable", 64% said Obama, 26% said Romney.

I actually like Romney, somewhat. He doesn't connect well with average Americans, but I can tell he's a good guy. His attacks on Obama seem scripted, like acting. He doesn't seem to have a genuine anger against Obama or his policies. He just seems like a high achiever who really wants to be president.

[QUOTE=Esten;421668]What Punter should have responded with is: "You're right Esten, it's misleading to compare the U6 to the U3."[/quote]It will be a cold day in hell when I let you dictate what I should and shouldn't say.

[QUOTE=Esten;421668]But all he does is get defensive, and throw out some silly idea that critiquing his argument amounts to having a tantrum. LOL![/quote]You didn't critique anything you attack the messenger and said I was being deceptive and then you tried to spin things away from the real subject at hand.

Lets take a look at what really happened here, you cherry picked some numbers out of the jobs report and ballyhooed them here expecting everyone to except your bullshit as gospel.

I acknowledged your number 8.2 and the fact that it was down 0.1 and then I presented more numbers from the same report. There is absolutely nothing deceptive about the U6 number, it's in every jobs report, and I've talked about it here before.

Why do you think the government includes the U6 number in it job's report?

Is the government being deceptive or misleading when they include the U6 number?

What Esten should have responded with is [I][b]'Punter is right, his report shows the true unemployment picture. ' [/b][/i]

It is true that the unemployment rate has been as high as 10.3, but that number was achieved on Obamas watch, and it was [u][b]not[/u][/b] Part of the current jobs report. I find it interesting that you bring up the 10.3 number but fail to mention fact that unemployment is still higher now than it was when Obama took office, must have slipped your mind? Oh and how much debt did we take on to get where we are today?

One last thing you seem to have [strike]ignored[/strike] missed and failed to address is the fact that [b]the number of people not in the work force is at a record high. [/b] I guess you just can't [strike]spin[/strike] explain that one away. If I were you I'd want to ignore that also.

Right Wingers please keep on Fighting.

There is No Real Republican that can Win for President!

I loved it, no sex just from the mouth. Why do all Republicans do not want safe sex?

Unprotected sex to make babies, which no one wants to pay for. The Church will not part with their Gold to support Your Republican Kids?

But, I wish I was getting some pussy in Buenos Aires instead of watching the TV that Republicans say no sex for pleasure, unless you want babies!

I get off from hearing about you Republican losers.

Our Brother Foreigners has more to say. They laugh at us, being Un-worldized Americans.

P.S.
The Budget was not so bad under Clinton.
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