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Mongers-

Try using vayama.com or 1800Argentina.com.

Suerte,

Rock Harders

According to the San Francisco Chronicle Travel Writer, Kayak.com is one of the better search engines for Airfares.

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United flies out of Dulles in DC, but it's acually in Virginia.

It's a direct flight.

It's 10 hours.

Better get a business class ticket lol.

And now with the new configuration on the 767 in business and first class you have the bed.

Yes folks, the seat changes into a bed, and you hava a 20 " lcd screen.

No need for your glasses.

And the food isn't that bad.

And the booze is free.

Yes, I like free.

Just letting you know from a United employee. I go to BA often, but if I'm stuck in coach, well thats another story.

Better take sleeping pills and lots of them lol.

I hate coach.

[QUOTE=Meforu 2000]United flies out of Dulles in DC, but it's acually in Virginia.

It's a direct flight.

It's 10 hours.

Better get a business class ticket lol.

And now with the new configuration on the 767 in business and first class you have the bed.

Yes folks, the seat changes into a bed, and you hava a 20 " lcd screen.

No need for your glasses.

And the food isn't that bad.

And the booze is free.

Yes, I like free.

Just letting you know from a United employee. I go to BA often, but if I'm stuck in coach, well thats another story.

Better take sleeping pills and lots of them lol.

I hate coach.[/QUOTE]Take flexeril, it's a muscle relaxer and will make you drowsy but best of all if you're all scruntched up while you fly you don't get spasms.

Hey Daddy.

Can you buy it over the counter? And talking about pills is it eazy to find viagra in ba? I'm running out of them.

I hope that every pilot sticks to these rules;

Rules of the Air.

Every takeoff is optional. Every landing is mandatory.

If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger. If you pull the stick back, they get smaller. That is, unless you keep pulling the stick all the way back, then they get bigger again.

Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous.

It's always better to be down here wishing you were up there than up there wishing you were down here.

The ONLY time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the pilot start sweating.

When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No one has ever collided with the sky.

A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again.

Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself.

You know you've landed with the wheels up if it takes full power to taxi to the ramp.

The probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival. Large angle of arrival, small probability of survival and vice versa.

Never let an aircraft take you somewhere your brain didn't get to five minutes earlier.

Stay out of clouds. The silver lining everyone keeps talking about might be another airplane going in the opposite direction. Reliable sources also report that mountains have been known to hide out in clouds.

Always try to keep the number of landings you make equal to the number of take offs you've made.

There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately no one knows what they are.

You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.

Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them.

If all you can see out of the window is ground that's going round and round and all you can hear is commotion coming from the passenger compartment, things are not at all as they should be.

In the ongoing battle between objects made of aluminum going hundreds of miles per hour and the ground going zero miles per hour, the ground has yet to lose.

Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.

It's always a good idea to keep the pointy end going forward as much as possible.

Keep looking around. There's always something you've missed.

Remember, gravity is not just a good idea. It's the law. And it's not subject to repeal.

The three most useless things to a pilot are the altitude above you, runway behind you, and a tenth of a second ago.

I was checking on airfares to EZE and came across some incredible fares out of Toronto. I put in some random dates for March and April, $501 on Delta via Atlanta and $577 on United via Dulles, taxes and fee included.

Will any of our mongers up North take advantage of this?

Great deal. For fun I compared fares for a number of cities in March. All prices taxes and fees included. Toronto is half the price of Dallas!

Leave: Fri, Mar 13, 2009
Return: Sun, Mar 22, 2009

TORONTO $511.00 Delta Air Lines (1-stop)
NEW YORK $679.00 Delta Air Lines (non-stop)
PHILADELPHIA $790.00 Delta Air Lines (1-stop)
NEWARK $802.00 American Airlines / LAN (1-stop)
WASH. DC $805.00 Delta Air Lines (1-stop)
RALEIGH $820.00 Delta Air Lines / AA (1-stop)
DETROIT $820.00 Delta Air Lines (1-stop)
MONTREAL $830.00 Delta Air Lines (1-stop)
BALTIMORE $832.00 Delta Air Lines (1-stop)
TAMPA $834.00 Delta Air Lines (1-stop)
CALGARY $847.00 Delta Air Lines (2-stop)
VANCOUVER $867.00 United Airlines (2-stop)
SEATTLE $900.00 Delta Air Lines (1-stop)
BOSTON $907.00 American Airlines (2-stop)
LAS VEGAS $909.00 Delta Air Lines (1-stop)
LOS ANGELES $915.00 United Airlines (1-stop)
CHICAGO $952.00 Delta Air Lines (1-stop)
CINCINNATI $979.00 Delta Air Lines (1-stop)
DENVER $987.00 United Airlines (1-stop)
ATLANTA $1008.00 American Airlines (1-stop)
HOUSTON $1043.00 Continental Airlines (1-stop)
SAN FRANCISCO $1046.00 Delta Air Lines (1-stop)
ST. LOUIS $1077.00 American Airlines (1-stop)
DALLAS $1112.00 American Airlines (1-stop)

Would it be possible to book the $511 flight from Toronto and hop on in Atlanta? It seems like you could just leave it in Atlanta on the way back (no checked bags of course)

[QUOTE=Esten]Great deal. For fun I compared fares for a number of cities in March. All prices taxes and fees included. Toronto is half the price of Dallas!

Leave: Fri, Mar 13, 2009

Return: Sun, Mar 22, 2009

[b]VANCOUVER $867.00 United Airlines (2-stop)
LOS ANGELES $915.00 United Airlines (1-stop)[/b][/QUOTE]United has some crazy pricing. These two routes connect with FLT 847 from Washington to EZE. But a R/T direct flight on United from Washington to EZE is around $1100.

[QUOTE=Moore]Would it be possible to book the $511 flight from Toronto and hop on in Atlanta? It seems like you could just leave it in Atlanta on the way back (no checked bags of course)[/QUOTE]If you miss the outbound Toronto - Atlanta segnemt, the remainding segments will be canceled.

It will work if you only intend to miss the Atlanta to Toronto segment of the return trip. Checked bag would not a problem because you have to claim your bags in Atlanta anyway.

[QUOTE=Moore]Would it be possible to book the $511 flight from Toronto and hop on in Atlanta? It seems like you could just leave it in Atlanta on the way back (no checked bags of course)[/QUOTE]Sportsman is 100% correct, this is called "hidden city" ticketing, not only will they cancel the following segments but they won't give you your money back. However a flight ATL to YYZ would most likely be less than the increase in fare from ATL to EZE. Then on the way back just get off in ATL.

You can cut $300 off your ticket by booking the outbound ATL-EZE and booking the return EZE-YYZ which has a stopover in ATL. Of course this only makes sense if you don't check luggage.

Went on google and found a fair amount of discussion on "hidden city" ticketing. Airlines discouraging it in most cases, but lots of people defending their right to get off a plane on a stopover if they choose to.

I did read possibly the biggest line of corporate BS I have ever read on the American Airlines website: "Purchasing a ticket to a point beyond the actual destination and getting off the aircraft at the connecting point is unethical. It is tantamount to switching price tags to obtain a lower price on goods sold at department stores."

What BS. If the courts bought that argument then you would think the practice would be illegal. It is not switching price tags. It's buying a different product. Hardly unethical if I decide not to use the entire product.

[QUOTE=Esten]You can cut $300 off your ticket by booking the outbound ATL-EZE and booking the return EZE-YYZ which has a stopover in ATL. Of course this only makes sense if you don't check luggage.

Went on google and found a fair amount of discussion on "hidden city" ticketing. Airlines discouraging it in most cases, but lots of people defending their right to get off a plane on a stopover if they choose to.

I did read possibly the biggest line of corporate BS I have ever read on the American Airlines website: "Purchasing a ticket to a point beyond the actual destination and getting off the aircraft at the connecting point is unethical. It is tantamount to switching price tags to obtain a lower price on goods sold at department stores."

What BS. If the courts bought that argument then you would think the practice would be illegal. It is not switching price tags. It's buying a different product. Hardly unethical if I decide not to use the entire product.[/QUOTE]You can check bags on the return, when the flight arrives you will clear customs for the US.

Ethical / non-ethical I won't get involved in that. What I can tell you without doubt is that if you're busted doing it, the airline will deny you boarding on the second city and will not refund the money. How do I know this? When I worked for United I did it a few dozen times. Those people may or may not have eventually gotten their money back through customer service but they didn't fly that day.

Now you may get lucky and catch an agent who is asleep and checks you in anyway. This is doubtful because the computer drops all your rez info when you don't board the first flight and the agent would have to build you a new itinerary. To me it wouldn't be worth it as you will pay full fare to get rebooked. It is easily done on the return though.

Just received the following e-mail from Carbone Travels. Looks good!

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To make a reservation or for more information, call us at 1-800-ARGENTINA (1-800-274-3684) or visit our webpage, [url]www.1800ARGENTINA.com[/url].

This is only an example of our promotional airfares. For airfares from other cities and to other destinations, please visit our webpage.

Bandy

But who likes to fly with Aerolina Argentina?

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To make a reservation or for more information, call us at 1-800-ARGENTINA (1-800-274-3684) or visit our webpage, [url]www.1800ARGENTINA.com[/url].

This is only an example of our promotional airfares. For airfares from other cities and to other destinations, please visit our webpage.

Bandy[/QUOTE]

Does it matter the price if you are dealing with incompetence. These folks have just left a horrible taste in my mouth just too many times; for example:

1. When I fist started coming regularly to Argentina in 2002, I always flew Aerolinas. They lost all of my frequent flyer miles. Customer service who spoke english fluently one minute forgot the entire english language WHEN THEY LEARNED WHEN THEY LEARNED I WAS WAITING IN LINE FOR HOURS TO RETREAVE MY MISSING MILES AND THAT I KEPT COPIES OF THE BOARDING PASS STUBS. Waiting in line in Miami. Waiting in line in Buenos Aires. Nothing can be done by telephone nor email.

Air Nigeria has better customer service. I NEVER COULD RETREAVE MY MISSING MILES NOR RECEIVE MY FREE FLIGHT. I am dumb and kept flying with them. NEXT-----

2. My flight was canceled because of a strike that started hours before the cancelation. Aeolinas closed their offices at the Miami airport and had no one there to even tell their customers that the flight was cancelled. All of the passengers were 100% on their own. I was lucky and could stand by with Lan through Santiago. I ran to the Lan counter and was there first. Thank god I came to the airport three hours early. It only took 20 hours to fly Miami to BA on Lan stand-by. I was one of the lucky ones.

Aerolinas Argentinas is the worst airline going. There is zero concern nor respect for their customer. American is nothing to get excited about, but at least they are there and will make some attempt to try to understand and possibly help their customers. Lan is a much better airline.

This self serving crap about Areolinas is garbage like the entire airline.

I have flown Aerolineas Argentina a few times, to Cordoba twice and to Asuncion two or three times.

I'm pretty down on them too. I've been kept waiting in airports for planes to show up, getting anything from a shrug to a rather rude "we'll tell you when we know something" as to what the deal is with the plane. This happens a lot of the times on the trip to Asuncion because the plane comes from some other city first and they can't seem to keep a schedule.

The last time I was going to Asuncion with my wife, we were waiting (at the point of the beginning of the story, about 1 3/4 hours) for the plane to arrive from its previous stop and I noticed an American couple behind me with a couple of teenagers. Got to talking to them and learned that they had adopted the two kids (really fat and ugly - ugh! That were with them from Paraguay and were taking them back to see their "origins" (what a trip that must have been when they arrived!)

They had come from the States on Aerolineas and had some 12-hour horror story of missed connections and maintenance problems with planes, and after all that were sitting in Buenos Aires waiting for even the last leg of their trip, half dead.

We waited another hour for our plane, but it finally came.

I've waited for bags to get loaded for as long as an hour. They are usually very slow at the local airport here in BS (the name refuses to come to me as I write) but in Cordoba I've always found they do a good job getting the bags out.

[QUOTE=Miami Bob]1. When I fist started coming regularly to Argentina in 2002, I always flew Aerolinas. They lost all of my frequent flyer miles. Customer service who spoke english fluently one minute forgot the entire english language WHEN THEY LEARNED WHEN THEY LEARNED I WAS WAITING IN LINE FOR HOURS TO RETREAVE MY MISSING MILES AND THAT I KEPT COPIES OF THE BOARDING PASS STUBS. Waiting in line in Miami. Waiting in line in Buenos Aires. Nothing can be done by telephone nor email.

Air Nigeria has better customer service. I NEVER COULD RETREAVE MY MISSING MILES NOR RECEIVE MY FREE FLIGHT. I am dumb and kept flying with them. NEXT-----[/QUOTE]Hi MB,

I had exactly the same experience with them. They "lost" more than 100,000 miles of mine. I had the ticket stubs and all the other proof, and I waited in the same line you described, but all I ever got was "yes'd" off. They would always tell me that they would credit my frequent flyer account, but of course nothing ever happened.

Cocksuckers!

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson]Hi MB,

I had exactly the same experience with them. They "lost" more than 100,000 miles of mine. I had the ticket stubs and all the other proof, and I waited in the same line you described, but all I ever got was "yes'd" off. They would always tell me that they would credit my frequent flyer account, but of course nothing ever happened.

Cocksuckers!

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]Jackson,

I have flown Aerolinas fifteen times. The fact you have even flown 100,000 miles makes you a bigger daredevil than Robbie Knievel.

Travel safely; the board needs you.

Delta and American are duking it out, right now. DL has $548 (with taxes) from NYC. Lot of other fares from the East Coast. Also STL, DFW and others.

If you want to fly to AA, check out DL hubs for the best prices. Some fares available through November.

I did a quick search on Kayak, and JFK to EZE round trip was $568 on Delta. The Price has come down since I got here 2 weeks ago. I took Delta. The fare i found was from

Mon Feb. 16 2009 to Fri Mar 27 2009 for $568.

If I remember right, Jaimito uses a different service then Kayak, Which sometimes give him better results. I think it was a paid service. He told me about it, last time he was in BA.

PS

That is exactly $20 more then Jaimito price. Wonder if Kayak make 20 dollars on each ticket they get sold for the Airlines?

LAN, AA and DL all have similar prices. $429 plus taxes / fees. Some have higher taxes and such. $568 is the cheapest I see on [url]www.itasoftware.com[/url]. You can book LAN flights into January of 2010, so good if you need to plan far ahead.

Also good fares out of IAD, DFW, ATL, STL and a lot of other places.

Just playing around on Expedia and Kayak, lax-eze $650 (including taxes) The dates I put were March 23-April 22 roundtrip. Lan and AA were about $100 more.

On LAN Argentina for 23APR - 25JUN09 via my travel agent. This was after having the Aerolineas Argentinas flight the same days for (USD 50 less) become unavailable due to their site REFUSING to accept payment in dollars? I don't get it.

It's OK. I had to sit around in Miami for 5 extra days trying to get to BUE last March on AirArgy due to crew foulups / sabotage and equipment problems. YMMV.

Suerte,

Rick

American Airlines just announced 2x miles on coach, and 3x miles for Biz class tickets to BA, Rio and some other Latin American cities.

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Here's the info:

Airline:

American Airlines.

Award:

Bonus Miles.

Bonus Code:

USLAT.

Register today by selecting the red REGISTER button below.

Dates:

Book and travel between February 4, 2009 and March 15, 2009.

Offer:

Fly on American Airlines nonstop flights between the U. S. And selected destinations in Latin America and earn triple miles for travel in First or Business Class, or double miles for travel in Economy Class. See the chart below for eligible flights:

From To.

Dallas / Fort Worth, Miami.

Or New York / JFK Buenos Aires, Argentina (EZE)

Miami or New York / JFK Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (GIG)

Dallas / Fort Worth or Miami Santiago, Chile (SCL)

Dallas / Fort Worth, Miami.

Or New York / JFK Sao Paulo, Brazil (GRU)

Miami Tegucigalpa, Honduras (TGU)

Miami Bogota, Colombia (BOG)

Bonus may be earned an unlimited number of times. Register prior to travel by selecting the red REGISTER button below.

Terms and Conditions:

AAdvantage bonus mile offer is valid on American Airlines marketed and operated nonstop flights for travel between the designated cities noted above, February 4, 2009, through March 15, 2009. Offer applies only to AAdvantage members who reside in the U. S. Or Canada and who purchase and fly on published fare tickets on an itinerary that includes travel on any of the designated nonstop flights. To qualify, the reservation must be booked between February 4, 2009, and March 15, 2009. Bonus miles do not count toward elite status qualification. Flights operated by our codeshare partners are not eligible for this promotion. Registration prior to travel is required. Triple miles will be calculated at 200% of the base miles flown for purchased First or Business Class tickets; double miles will be calculated at 100% of the base miles flown for purchased Economy Class tickets.

If anyone is interested I have 4 – one way upgrade certificates good for coach tickets not booked in I, O or Q class on American Airlines. They need to be used by the 29th of February. PM me if interested.

Erkinator

I just received notice from AA that in their Advantage program they are offering triple miles for 1st and business and double for coach for trave to EZE between now and March 13th. Is this like getting close to a free ticket based on miles flown?

It is almost a free ticket. Its 40k miles for a coach ticket. From my city its about 14,500 miles round trip. Add in the AA platinum bonus, and the double miles from buying the ticket on the aa cc.

If you have an AA credit card you can use a reduced mileage award and get a ticket for 35k.

I looked last evening, there are quite a few 40k /35k mile tickets available in the next few months.

I have also been seeing better deals flying to Montevideo through BA. I don't get this one, you stop in BA then fly to MV, but its cheaper to go to MV.

[QUOTE=Gato Hunter]I have also been seeing better deals flying to Montevideo through BA. I don't get this one, you stop in BA then fly to MV, but its cheaper to go to MV.[/QUOTE]Airline pricing is like chica pricing. Don't expect it to make sense.

Just as a chica may want 500 pesos in Black, you can get the same chica, on another day, or location for 200 pesos.

I can sometimes fly to Europe cheaper than I can fly the 100 or so miles from Phoenix to Tucson. For airlines that price one way tickets 1/2 of a round trip, you can often buy a ticket to another city, that makes a stop in the city you really want to go to, and just jump off in that city. Say $100 fare, one way, compared to $500. It's a strange game.

Does anybody know if there are there any penalty's for getting off in BA and not flying through to MV?

I don't see how they could stop you. You would have your checked baggage to clear customs at Ezeiza, just walk out of the airport after.

[QUOTE=Gato Hunter]Does anybody know if there are there any penalty's for getting off in BA and not flying through to MV?

I don't see how they could stop you. You would have your checked baggage to clear customs at Ezeiza, just walk out of the airport after.[/QUOTE]It has been discussed before. It's call hidden city. If you do not take the EZE to MVD segment on the outbound, all remaining segments will be canceled, including the return trip.

[QUOTE=Gato Hunter]Does anybody know if there are there any penalty's for getting off in BA and not flying through to MV?

I don't see how they could stop you. You would have your checked baggage to clear customs at Ezeiza, just walk out of the airport after.[/QUOTE]When you check in at IAD your bags are tagged for MVD, MVD pax do not clear customs and immigrations at EZE. You could be here but your bags would not.

If you only had carry on you could most likely get away with not going to MVD, except if the agent made an issue of it on your check in for your return (in MVD, no way you could start your return at EZE) the proof that you abandoned the segment would be in your passport.

Just take the cheaper flight and come across the river.

Some airlines will let you change your ticket. But most likely with a fee.

I did it with AA about three times in '07 for my return flight. I kept staying longer and longer. Because I wanted to stay longer, all the flights were full leaving from B. A, that I had to come home leaving from Rio instead of B. A. I was using my miles, so seats were limited.

[QUOTE=Gato Hunter]Does anybody know if there are there any penalty's for getting off in BA and not flying through to MV?

I don't see how they could stop you. You would have your checked baggage to clear customs at Ezeiza, just walk out of the airport after.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info. Sorry for not reading the entire thread.

If its too good to be true, it is. Cheers!

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Travel from any AA or American Eagle City in the Continental U. S. To any AA Destination in Argentina or Brazil through the End of June for just $299* Each Way.

[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/American-Airlines-Puts-Travel-prnews-14667232.html[/url]

With tax $681.20 all in.

[QUOTE=Punter 127]Travel from any AA or American Eagle City in the Continental U. S. To any AA Destination in Argentina or Brazil through the End of June for just $299* Each Way.

[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/American-Airlines-Puts-Travel-prnews-14667232.html[/url]

With tax $681.20 all in.[/QUOTE]Well, get you ass down here then. Memorial Day weekend is good for me.