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Do you know if hotels etc are legally obligated to accept payment in pesos at the official rate?
For instance, the Hyatt charges 500 USD per night. At the time of check-out, could you insist on paying the bill in cash at 2250 (500 * 4. 50) pesos per night?
Ciao
[QUOTE=Chicago Guy; 426858]Do you know if hotels etc are legally obligated to accept payment in pesos at the official rate?
For instance, the Hyatt charges 500 USD per night. At the time of check-out, could you insist on paying the bill in cash at 2250 (500 * 4. 50) pesos per night?
Ciao[/QUOTE]Yes, hotels and every other business in Argentina (airlines, travel companies, hint hint) are required to accept pesos at or near the official rate (within 1-2%). Buying / selling / accepting USD or any other foreign currency at anything other than the official rate (or within the range I mentioned) is illegal.
[QUOTE=Chicago Guy; 426858]Do you know if hotels etc are legally obligated to accept payment in pesos at the official rate?
For instance, the Hyatt charges 500 USD per night. At the time of check-out, could you insist on paying the bill in cash at 2250 (500 * 4. 50) pesos per night?
Ciao[/QUOTE]If you pay by credit card, don't they actually HAVE to charge you that rate in Pesos converted at the official rate? The reason that they charge the exhorbitant $500 rate is that they realize that, once it's converted to pesos as via the credit card, they are only actually getting the REAL dollar equivalent of around $375 in pesos. The problem is, your CC company will do the exchange at the official rate as well, and you will end up paying $500 USD, the Hyatt will get peso equivalent of $375 at the blue rate, and your CC company either gets a large arbitrage opportunity if they illegally trade on the real currency market, or they effectively burn that significant value if they act fully legally.
So in fact, the best thing is for you to pay in cash, in Pesos, that you got at the blue rate. It makes no difference to the Hyatt, but your CC company loses a huge arbitrage opportunity.
[QUOTE=Chicago Guy;426854]Hi. Did you give him five 100-dollar bills? Is it a problem if the bills are not crisp / new? I don't know why, but some people like to to write and put stamps on USD bills.[/QUOTE]None of them were crisp. One of them was old style which I expected to be a problem but wasn't. Your question is a good one though because I have run into that issue in the past. I've had people not accept anything except 100's, or reject them for being old. When I got my visa for Paraguay they (Paraguayan consulate in Posadas) would only accept certain series of 100's. I forget which ones but it was about half.
Got 6. 1 to 1 at the cervino cueva an hour ago. 10x$50=$500 USD
[QUOTE=SunSeeker;426888]Got 6. 1 to 1 at the cervino cueva an hour ago. 10x$50=$500 USD[/QUOTE]Thanks WhiteCat. Got a great tip from blanco gatita. I am staying on junin kitty corner to the cemetery in recoleta. As you head down junin after vincente Lopez and before las heras there is a coin store across from the newly renovated recoleta mall. Walked in and asked for cambio. Nice young fella walking me into the back room that is setup like a bank tellers window. No hassles and very professional. Was offered 6:1 for 1000 countered with 6. 2 for 2000 used. Agreed after a short discussion with the boss. Good bills, checked them all out, looked just fine. Very convenient as this store is 10 meters away from my apartment. Highly recommended. Thanks Kitty. Mongering on all. Toymann
All my prior posts outlines each specific hassle / verification step imposed by either Xoom or by More Casa the pickup vendor.
This time it was More Casa (again). No matter being cleared by Xoom for higher send limits and being under cap just fine right now, More Casa told me today couldn't pickup my 1k send txn because I now have to prove that I own the sending bank account.
They told me this triggers when anyone hits 50k pesos total sent through More Casa. Didn't say time period mattered, just overall total.
So the demand now is I bring actual paper print out. Said would not accept email or PDF or digital copy- of my bank statement showing official bank statement form and at least one month worth of transactions showing the Xoom debits going from my account.
Have the prints now after hassle finding locutorio to make prints and waiting till mon when More Casa opens again. Knowing Argie logic they will say my bank txn amt doesn't match the More txn amount (because my bank will show $1030 deducted inc Xoom fee while More shows only $1000.
Will see how it goes mon but heads up if you will, be using Xoom mid to long term, new hassle trigger for this step hits at 50k pesos total via More Casa
Looks like the xoom rate is lower than the local cuevas. Even before their fees.
[QUOTE=SunSeeker;426940]Looks like the xoom rate is lower than the local cuevas. Even before their fees.[/QUOTE]From what I hear, Xoom rates are better than a person can get in Mendoza, but lower than what one can get on Florida street. After fees, the Xoom rate right now is an effective 5.795 pesos per dollar, based upon a rate of 5.983 and a fee structure of just over 3% on top of that. I used them for a transfer to myself for when I arrive in Mendoza in a couple of days via Santiago Chile, but I have no intention of using them in Buenos Aires, where something around 6.1 seems to be the prevailing rate.
[QUOTE=Member #2041;426941]From what I hear, Xoom rates are better than a person can get in Mendoza, but lower than what one can get on Florida street. After fees, the Xoom rate right now is an effective 5.795 pesos per dollar, based upon a rate of 5.983 and a fee structure of just over 3% on top of that. I used them for a transfer to myself for when I arrive in Mendoza in a couple of days via Santiago Chile, but I have no intention of using them in Buenos Aires, where something around 6.1 seems to be the prevailing rate.[/QUOTE]FYI, my Xoom pickup in Mendoza went without a hitch. But the very same place that I picked up my cash was also making available exchange of dollars at a Blue rate of 6. 0 Pesos to the dollar. For a single $100 USA bill, with no negotiation involved. So, net-net, I should not have bothered with Xoom and their effective 5. 8 rate, when I could have had a rate of 6 or better from the exact same Cambio. I will post more details about this in the Mendoza thread.
Update. Got past this latest hurdle step today and More Casa cleared me for continued txns and released the txn I was blocked from picking up last Friday. Until whatever next tier I hit I imagine. Argh!
'Soporte el fondos' requirement after hitting 50k pesos grand total was thankfully passed with just a copy of my current bank statement. PDF download from my online account. They took, scanned and made copy to send into their home office then some upper level guy aside from the normal clerks reviewed my statement and passed me. Took an extra 20 min from usual process.
[QUOTE=Mpexy; 426911]All my prior posts outlines each specific hassle / verification step imposed by either Xoom or by More Casa the pickup vendor.
This time it was More Casa (again). No matter being cleared by Xoom for higher send limits and being under cap just fine right now, More Casa told me today couldn't pickup my 1k send txn because I now have to prove that I own the sending bank account.
They told me this triggers when anyone hits 50k pesos total sent through More Casa. Didn't say time period mattered, just overall total.
So the demand now is I bring actual paper print out. Said would not accept email or PDF or digital copy- of my bank statement showing official bank statement form and at least one month worth of transactions showing the Xoom debits going from my account.
Have the prints now after hassle finding locutorio to make prints and waiting till mon when More Casa opens again. Knowing Argie logic they will say my bank txn amt doesn't match the More txn amount (because my bank will show $1030 deducted inc Xoom fee while More shows only $1000.
Will see how it goes mon but heads up if you will, be using Xoom mid to long term, new hassle trigger for this step hits at 50k pesos total via More Casa[/QUOTE]
Mongers,
I changed money at xoom for the 2nd time today. First time was just a "test" run. Today was changing for real need.
The xoom transaction online went fairly well and was approved within 4-5 hours with no paper work submission.
However, at "Money & More" counter at Libertad, it was quite a odyssey.
When I reached the Money / more counter at libertad, their were only 3 people ahead of me. But when I was done, their were at least 15 people awaiting behind me!
The guy took almost 45 minutes with me. Asked me so many questions. Believe me, I never had to answer so many questions even at US immigration or for a job interview in my life! It was like I was standing in the court for a criminal case and undergoing severe interrogation by the public prosecutor!
Questions were like " which company you work for ","what is the company's address and phone no"," what is the company's website","what are you doing in ARgentina"," Till how long you would be here"," why are you on such a long trip in Argentina"," are you single or married"."How many times a year you come to Argentina" " How many transfers you plan to make further via xoom"," why don't you use your debit card, why use money / more" " do you have another means of I'd other than your passport" etc etc etc.
It was not very pleasant. Everybody knows they are giving a blue rate (though not necessarily the best rate). I got a difference of 450 pesos, had I us$ and changed us$ directly in a cueva as compared to them!
And worse thing was to see so many people awaiting behind me! I wonder if all will go through the similar ordeal.
My first xoom transaction was on 10th Aug for 500 us$ and had gone super smooth. I was in and out of the place in like 3 minutes. But today was really horrible. What are they trying to achieve? Not sure!
Read my Xoom saga going back to aug in this thread if you got time to kill waiting for some chica to travel to your place.
You are just starting the first of many walls Xoom and More Casa puts up. All can be overcome but it's a hassle for sure
I'm not a banker nor do I play one on TV but this is what it smells like to me. Obviously somebody in government is getting wind of this. They can't really stop it because the real transfer of money is happening outside of Argentina and Xoom is only the people furnishing the cash for a service fee but CFK and Co. Know we are beating the official rate and I think they are putting pressure on Casa More to make it harder. Whatever coyma they are paying is enough to keep them in biz but not trouble free.
I could be wide of the mark here but this is my best guess.
[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz; 427139]I'm not a banker nor do I play one on TV but this is what it smells like to me. Obviously somebody in government is getting wind of this. They can't really stop it because the real transfer of money is happening outside of Argentina and Xoom is only the people furnishing the cash for a service fee but CFK and Co. Know we are beating the official rate and I think they are putting pressure on Casa More to make it harder. Whatever coyma they are paying is enough to keep them in biz but not trouble free.
I could be wide of the mark here but this is my best guess.[/QUOTE]I think the increasing hoops and paperwork are designed to protect Xoom from allegations that it is aiding and abetting money laundering. That's why periodic, relatively minor transfers are pretty straightforward, whereas continuous, semi heavy loads like those by Mpexy, draw more scrutiny and more and more paperwork.
I could be wide of the mark as well, but I'm betting Xoom is super sensitive about laundering issues, particularly here in the cradle.
What is the maximum amount of USD to exchange in one go? Would it be risky to carry 2000 USD on Calle Florida? I mean, is there a risk that the people in the cuevas will tip off some of their friends, and then you get robbed on the way back to your apartment? Should I wear a money belt etc, or am I just being overly paranoid?
Everyone has their own comfort level but mine was $1000. I felt like beyond that point, any potential improvement in the exchange rate was more than offset by the additional risk. You might want to take a wingman with you. You might want to splurge on a taxi although I sure as fuck never did. It depends on if you are 5'2" and 50kg or 6'7" and 150kg, and whether you are willing to resist. You can argue all day about whether resisting is a good idea or not but I am sure as fuck going to. So that might make the risk of robbery less and the risk of getting shanked or greased somewhat greater.
Thieves are wise to money belts so my money is taped inside of my sock. Even if they get the shoe off, they'll have a hard time with the tape and meanwhile I will hit them upside the fucking head with a brick.
The most I've changed on Florida is around $1000 USD as well. It does seem to kind of be a comfort number for me as well. However, it's so easy to do (I live close by) that I don't feel the need to change great amounts at one time anyway. Mostly I use a cueva where I wire money to an account in the States or Uruguay and go pick up the cash here locally.
I've heard stories about people getting ripped off after leaving cuevas or arbolitos, about people getting handed a wad of counterfeits, etc, etc. Seems most of these stories are not very substantiated. They come under the heading of "everyone knows." or "you always hear about." Me, I've never had a single issue or felt even a little worried and I've changed on Florida at times over 6 years living here full time.
Having said all of that, I do know personally one story of a gentleman (related to me and others who know him, in person) who lived here for decades and about a year ago moved back to his home country, who was robbed after having wired money to a change house / cueva when he went to pick up the cash. He was robbed of a serious sum of money after he left the cueva. He was in his own car, and the suspicion was that a secretary in the office alerted someone to follow him on leaving (there is some very strong circumstantial evidence to support the notion, which I will not go into here). The sum of money was somewhere in the neighborhood of $25K pesos.
This is the only nearly-confirmed story of someone being robbed by an employee alerting a thief that I know of.
I mention that only because the possibility does exist. However, I have to say. You probably have as much or more potential to be robbed leaving an ATM in broad daylight as you do being robbed leaving an arbolito on Florida. Or leaving More Money Transfers on having used Xoom to send your money.
[QUOTE=Chicago Guy;427363]What is the maximum amount of USD to exchange in one go? Would it be risky to carry 2000 USD on Calle Florida? I mean, is there a risk that the people in the cuevas will tip off some of their friends, and then you get robbed on the way back to your apartment? Should I wear a money belt etc, or am I just being overly paranoid?[/QUOTE]I exchange 10k to 20k a week when someone asks me to help them out and we always go to the same guy in the Travel Agency underground.
Broad daylight, thousands of people walking around so not likely to be robbed there.
A lucky pick-pocket might grab it if your stupid.
More likely to get robbed leaving a Bank.
Count it at the counter, stick it in your pocket or spread it around into various pockets and leave the office.
Walk a block and grab the first cab you see.
The owner / exchange person wants you to come back so he's not going to mark you himself.
And yes, you can always bring a friend with you.
I'm usually available after 1pm.
TL
[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;427372]Walk a block and grab the first cab you see.[/QUOTE]The most important advise after changing money. Grab a cab as fast as you can and go straight home. Do not try to walk home, take a bus or subte.
Or go mongering with cash tucked in pocket.
Go straight home in the first cab you see after exchanging money!
[QUOTE=Member #3320; 427376]The most important advise after changing money. Grab a cab as fast as you can and go straight home. Do not try to walk home, take a bus or subte.
Or go mongering with cash tucked in pocket.
Go straight home in the first cab you see after exchanging money![/QUOTE]Just returned from two wonderful weeks in BsAs. On two occasions I paid a taxi driver with 100 pesos notes which turned out to be fake. I obtained pesos from four different sources. Two banks (one at the airport) , an ATM and from a reliable private dealer. It also crossed my mind that the taxi drivers could have exchanged the notes without me noticing.
Are fake banknotes a big problem in BsAs?
[QUOTE=Old Coach; 427781]Just returned from two wonderful weeks in BsAs. On two occasions I paid a taxi driver with 100 pesos notes which turned out to be fake. I obtained pesos from four different sources. Two banks (one at the airport) , an ATM and from a reliable private dealer. It also crossed my mind that the taxi drivers could have exchanged the notes without me noticing.
Are fake banknotes a big problem in BsAs?[/QUOTE]BA taxi drivers are known for giving phony 100 Peso notes, especially at night when it is hard to see. I learned a long time ago from an experienced world traveler, that wherever you take a taxi, be sure to carry enough small bills so that you can give the taxi driver exact change, or very close to exact change. Modern color printers give a remarkable, especially if it is dark and you are in a hurray, phony note.
Tres3
Almost 100% certain it was the cab drivers who swapped the notes for the false ones. False notes are a problem in Bs As and the government bank note issuing policy has made this even easier. They have printed notes with differences at different times and then those printed in Brazil when the local printers couldn't keep up with the amount needed are different again.
Jot down the serial number of any big bill you hand a cab driver or take a picture with your cell phone.
When leaving a 'cueva' or bank never jump into the first cab you see. Walk quickly in the opposite direction to the traffic up to the nearest corner and take a cab going along the cross road to the one you were on. It might mean a few pesos more in fare but it'll be much safer. Very often crook cab drivers hover around these entrances waiting for a likely victim. You get in and tell him where your going the cabby has his phone open so his partners near by know which way he'll be travelling. When he slows down at a corner or a traffic light they jump in the cab one each side of you and pull out guns releaving you of your belongings.
In any cab beware of tell-tail signs such as driving too slow or slowing down to allow time for a traffic light turn to red. Locking both back doors may help but in many cars the driver can unlock then from his door. If you notice anything like this get out of the cab immediately and pay the driver once you are on the street. Always move quickly and do unexpected things. Crooks like to have everything under control and unexpected moves throw them off. Of course, this is for daylight and crowded streets. At night in lonely spots the chance of getting shot are quite high. In that case gritting your teeth and counting your loss is probably the best advice.
[QUOTE=Old Coach; 427781]Just returned from two wonderful weeks in BsAs. On two occasions I paid a taxi driver with 100 pesos notes which turned out to be fake. I obtained pesos from four different sources. Two banks (one at the airport) , an ATM and from a reliable private dealer. It also crossed my mind that the taxi drivers could have exchanged the notes without me noticing.
Are fake banknotes a big problem in BsAs?[/QUOTE]It is a well known fact that unscrupulous cab drivers take your real 100 peso notes and switch them for a fake one when you are not looking. Many drivers downtown will switch 4 to 5 a day. They are also known to plant fake notes in your change. Counterfeit currency is a major problem here. Some places downtown where the printing goes on, they print $100, 000 in fake pesos a day.
They also sell thier bills to change houses too (be careful if you are new here and don't speak spanish) , they also sell to bank employees etc. It is a jungle.
Fred.
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Safe and Secure Limo Services in Buenos Aires.
Since 2009
[QUOTE=Member #3320; 427376]The most important advise after changing money. Grab a cab as fast as you can and go straight home. Do not try to walk home, take a bus or subte.
Or go mongering with cash tucked in pocket.
Go straight home in the first cab you see after exchanging money![/QUOTE]With respect I wouldn't do this. If you're being set up by the cuerva then the first cab you see is going to be their partner. I have many different things I do to lower my profile. The first and obvious thing I do is dress like a thug. There is the old joke about the two hunters that miss shooting at a bear and it charges. The one hunter yells RUN. The other guy says "We can't outrun a bear." And the first guy yells over his shoulder,"I don't have to outrun the bear, I just got to outrun you." Don't look like low hanging fruit.
Next I always wear a sweatshirt or sweater I can take off. If it's too hot wear two t-shirts. The cambio will be in a galaria usually in the back. Before you hit the street, change your apperance in another shop. Take off the sweater or sweatshirt. While you stroll through the galeria pay attention to who is paying attention to you. Spend 2-3 minutes walking in a circle, start walking one way and double back, look for anybody looking at you. If you don't see anybody watching you then leave, walk a block, and get in a random cab. It sounds odd but it doesn't take long, just a minute or two.
I wouldn't ever change more than 500 or 1000 at a time. Your rate won't be any better and by the time you spend the 500 the peso will have fallen more. If you have to have that much money split it up in trips and cambios.
All standard advice applies as well, check their money before parting with yours. Don't be shy or afraid of offending with this. If somebody gives you a hard time about it, pick up your dollars, throw their pesos back, call them a pelotudo and leave.
Never, ever change money on the street or at night.
[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz;427807]Next I always wear a sweatshirt or sweater I can take off. If it's too hot wear two t-shirts. The cambio will be in a galaria usually in the back. Before you hit the street, change your apperance in another shop. Take off the sweater or sweatshirt. While you stroll through the galeria pay attention to who is paying attention to you. Spend 2-3 minutes walking in a circle, start walking one way and double back, look for anybody looking at you. If you don't see anybody watching you then leave, walk a block, and get in a random cab. It sounds odd but it doesn't take long, just a minute or two.[/QUOTE]The key is to keep alert and constantly do the unexpected.
As I was awaiting my flight out of Aeroparque to Santiago, Chile, I was of course unable to find any authorized manner of losing the excess 350-400 pesos that I had in my possession. I was, however, able to find someone who was just entering Argentina from the USA whom I was able to get to give me $50 US for 350 pesos, and I bought lunch with the remaining 57 pesos I had in my possession prior to my flight out.
FYI, one should budget around 45 pesos for the taxi fare to Aeroparque from the AP house if done during a period of busy traffic as mine was.
[QUOTE=Toymann;426896]Thanks WhiteCat. Got a great tip from blanco gatita. I am staying on junin kitty corner to the cemetery in recoleta. As you head down junin after vincente Lopez and before las heras there is a coin store across from the newly renovated recoleta mall. Walked in and asked for cambio. Nice young fella walking me into the back room that is setup like a bank tellers window. No hassles and very professional. Was offered 6:1 for 1000 countered with 6. 2 for 2000 used. Agreed after a short discussion with the boss. Good bills, checked them all out, looked just fine. Very convenient as this store is 10 meters away from my apartment. Highly recommended. Thanks Kitty. Mongering on all. Toymann[/QUOTE]Went to this coin store today, very close to my hotel, got 6:1, seems like they will do it for just about any amount.
Something on the horizon?
[QUOTE=California Jay;427834]Something on the horizon?[/QUOTE]Xoom has fluctuated, sometimes daily swing in one go, from 6.1x to 5.7x, the entire time I've been using it 5-6x per month since early August
I wouldn't read anything into this normal swing unless it hits 6.2 and higher for consistent week+
In Spanish:
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I will be visiting BA in Jan and was wondering how the Blue Dollar exchange rate is effecting the rates of the girls. I am sure they will be wanting to be paid in dollars, but when they convert their price to Pesos are they doing it at the official exchange rate or the blue dollar exchange rate? With a spread of around 30-35% are you able to really cash in on the benefit or are the girls wise to it?
[QUOTE=Guerrero;427851]I will be visiting BA in Jan and was wondering how the Blue Dollar exchange rate is effecting the rates of the girls. I am sure they will be wanting to be paid in dollars, but when they convert their price to Pesos are they doing it at the official exchange rate or the blue dollar exchange rate? With a spread of around 30-35% are you able to really cash in on the benefit or are the girls wise to it?[/QUOTE]The majority of chicas will ask for pesos. Never pay in dollars! Argentina is a peso country, and you should stick to pesos. Most of the chicas are not "wise" to the spread, and it is good to keep it that way. Even if a chica asks for a "spread adjusted" payment amount, please take my word for it and pay with pesos.
Tres3
[QUOTE=Tres3; 427852]The majority of chicas will ask for pesos. Never pay in dollars! Argentina is a peso country, and you should stick to pesos. Most of the chicas are not "wise" to the spread, and it is good to keep it that way. Even if a chica asks for a "spread adjusted" payment amount, please take my word for it and pay with pesos.
Tres3[/QUOTE]The educated girls know and follow the blue dollar without a doubt.
Any girl at Madahos, Black, Hippo, Newport, etc will probably hit you at $200. 00 dollars these days and a decent counter offer is $800. 00 pesos MAX!
That's for a very hot Boliche Chica.
Otherwise you can count on about $400. 00 to $600 pesos an hour for an Indy.
$600. 00 pesos or a flat $100. 00 bucks is close enough for horse shoes and hand granades so you don't want to piss the girl off over $5. 00 dollars because she will take it out on you in the bedroom.
TL.
P. S. Guerrero, how did you come up with that screen name?
I've never seen you before.
Just curious.
Also, nobody knows what the Dollar will be worth in January; it may actually become outlawed.
[QUOTE=Guerrero;427851]I will be visiting BA in Jan and was wondering how the Blue Dollar exchange rate is effecting the rates of the girls. I am sure they will be wanting to be paid in dollars, but when they convert their price to Pesos are they doing it at the official exchange rate or the blue dollar exchange rate? With a spread of around 30-35% are you able to really cash in on the benefit or are the girls wise to it?[/QUOTE]Do not pay the chicas in USD. Avoid the chicas who a few months ago were happy with 100usd at 4. 45, but now want 600p, did their services get better or do they just want more because you get more for your dollar? The only chicas I see wanting blue rate are here on AP and whose clients are mostly gringos. There is so much out there in the 300p-400p that give great service.
[QUOTE=TejanoLibre; 427853]The educated girls know and follow the blue dollar without a doubt.
Any girl at Madahos, Black, Hippo, Newport, etc will probably hit you at $200. 00 dollars these days and a decent counter offer is $800. 00 pesos MAX!
That's for a very hot Boliche Chica.
Otherwise you can count on about $400. 00 to $600 pesos an hour for an Indy.
$600. 00 pesos or a flat $100. 00 bucks is close enough for horse shoes and hand granades so you don't want to piss the girl off over $5. 00 dollars because she will take it out on you in the bedroom.
TL.
P. S. Guerrero, how did you come up with that screen name?
I've never seen you before.
Just curious.
Also, nobody knows what the Dollar will be worth in January; it may actually become outlawed.[/QUOTE]BULL FUCKING SHIT. 400-600 PESOS is not the norm. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE PAYING? I doubt it. Check again most FL's are around 400p for FULL SERVICE, with higher end chicas 500p. Quit trying to get people to think 600p is the going rate.
Madahos and boliches are a different matter all together.
Of course your chicas know 600p because that's what you tell them gringos will pay,
[QUOTE=SunSeeker; 427858]BULL FUCKING SHIT. 400-600 PESOS is not the norm. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE PAYING? I doubt it. Check again most FL's are around 400p for FULL SERVICE, with higher end chicas 500p. Quit trying to get people to think 600p is the going rate.
Madahos and boliches are a different matter all together.
Of course your chicas know 600p because that's what you tell them gringos will pay, [/QUOTE]
It's a tough number to pin down .
If EVERYONE posted what they are paying then we can come up with an average but they have to be apples and apples .
It's true, I'm shocked but these days the numbers I hear outside of the clubs are 400 to 600 pesos and nothing less.
Sure there are 200p girls out there too but you get what you pay for in looks .
The escorts are all at 350p minimum plus taxi so your back to 400p.
Street walkers asking and getting 300p downtown.
It's insane.
Of course the Privado Chicas have all sorts of price ranges.
Maybe from 40p to 400p?
I have never used an Escort so I don't know what they will ask for if you work them.
They may come over for less.
I just don't want to try someone that I don't know anything about or that is a Super Pro but I also don't want to hurt the girl's feelings and tell her to leave because she does not look like her picture.
$600p may not be the norm for an Indy but I don't try out very many new ones, at least not every day.
I'm usually happy with the 10 or so that I rotate and as they retire temporarily, hook a Keeper or just disappear that's when it's time to find some new ones.
Shit, you tell me where the girls are a lot less than the 400 to 600p range and I will be thankful.
We all will be Happy.
I just hate to argue with a poor girl over $16. 00 dollars and ask her to perform Circus Tricks.
Thanks,
TL
PS - We ALL get GRINGOED ! Even I do , there's nothing we can do about it .
I guess you can have a card printed in Perfect Spanish saying that you are a deaf - mute Argentine and would like to fuck .
Pull out a calculator and press 300 p .
[QUOTE=Guerrero;427851]I will be visiting BA in Jan and was wondering how the Blue Dollar exchange rate is effecting the rates of the girls. I am sure they will be wanting to be paid in dollars, but when they convert their price to Pesos are they doing it at the official exchange rate or the blue dollar exchange rate? With a spread of around 30-35% are you able to really cash in on the benefit or are the girls wise to it?[/QUOTE]I would just have typed RTFF and left it at that. But anymore there is soooooooooooo much info here that it's hard to absorb it. I will say though that this subject and the subject of January have been discussed ad nauseam here. Pay in pesos and pesos only, January is a down month expect the supply to be tight. Privado girls are going for between 150 at the low end to 500 (CP) at the high, with good quality around the 3-350 number. (Daddy's law of privados is coming more into play; hotter chicas at upper end providing fewer services whill at lower end not so visually appealing but they will let you stick a cactus up their ass if you want to) Club girls are going to be around 6 and up, with premium clubs being more. Without trying to start a ruckus it does seem that for whatever reason TL's girls, while slutty as hell, do seem to want a little extra.
Decide what experience you want; delivery, go to a privado and check out the line up, or hit the clubs for the full on fantasy of picking up the hot chick and budget accordingly.
Pretty outdated / inflated local rates coming from a local source. You either know it firsthand or you don't. You admit in most recent reply you don't have firsthand xp and get girls other ways, yet quote here inflated numbers as if you did have firsthand xp. That's pretty odd.
Newports. Relatively very few chicas will quote in dollars and when they do, yes it's $200 USD and once in blue moon if they smell no Spanish speaking sucker tourist, $300 USD. But they all quickly back pedal off this the minute you laugh, tell them you just want to rent their pussy for awhile not buy for life, etc. Most chicas quote still in pesos. Keep it that way.
Cost. The chica network tells new girls coming in the "standard" short time 1-2 pop price is 500-600 pesos. Doesn't mean you won't get plus / minus 100 pesos of this but a trusted chica who was training a brand new girl starting first day at NP that I and other AP monger met told us this was what she knew as "standard" rate and encouragd new chicas to know as "standard" rate.
Doesn't mean you won't have the hottest or mercs try to charge more, but if you have to baseline from somewhere, I'd use this.
What you GET for that price totally depends on you though. One hour, all night, whatever. Want more, pay more is usual rule though. At the higher end, such as the handful of blacks girls that rotate on off nights in np, getting to be lot more rare now, they take minimum 800 and sometimes 1k. But these chicas also are more amenable in my xp for that price to deliver half night or toda la noche. Their ego just wants that price, what they deliver is up to negotiation and you not being a jerk.
Madahos, Blacks. Have already posted my price xp from this aug to now; in short, my xp is nothing short of 800p for the avg range girls will get them out of club, with more luck towards 3am and later because even these avg chicks want bit more earlier in night; 1000p for the hotter / they think they are in hotter range chicks there. 1200p+ for the 4-5 hottest on any given night and they know it. These ego chicks would rather make zero than go for you for one peso less than their absolute min 1200. However unlike indies that charge 350 / hr generally, this takeout "session" from club girls can last much longer. Depends on you, what and how you negotiate into their takeout price, etc.
I'd say Internet indie chick is better value if you want an hour or long hour 90min. Club gals cost more for sure but session length more controllable based on your negotiation and willingness to tell that chick no and go onto another fish in the club pond to try.
Not been into hippo this trip so can't say. Highly suspect given chica network that it is much different than Madahos or blacks.
Indy. The vast range of indies including highly rated, reviewed and know exactly what you get is right at 350 per hour, with a smaller base at 400, and a very few handful at 500. There is a couple I've seen at 600-650 now but those are the outlier exception. Even a casual glance at either of the two major local forums will show you vast range of good looking, well reviewed chicas are at the 350p baseline.
Some of these chicas will give decent price break for a 2hr or 3hr session. Some won't, but some will. YMMV based on who you are, act like, repeats, etc.
350 vs 600 is pretty far off even for horseshoes and hand grenades and I'm pretty well up on the scale the price police would say is high. You should pay whatever the heck you want to pay, but pretending 600 is close enough to stamdard hour is pretty dumb unless you want to be peddling the idea that the "standard" is 600 / hr from indies.
[QUOTE=TejanoLibre; 427853]The educated girls know and follow the blue dollar without a doubt.
Any girl at Madahos, Black, Hippo, Newport, etc will probably hit you at $200. 00 dollars these days and a decent counter offer is $800. 00 pesos MAX!
That's for a very hot Boliche Chica.
Otherwise you can count on about $400. 00 to $600 pesos an hour for an Indy.
$600. 00 pesos or a flat $100. 00 bucks is close enough for horse shoes and hand granades so you don't want to piss the girl off over $5. 00 dollars because she will take it out on you in the bedroom.
TL.
P. S. Guerrero, how did you come up with that screen name?
I've never seen you before.
Just curious.
Also, nobody knows what the Dollar will be worth in January; it may actually become outlawed.[/QUOTE]
Occasionally, advocating higher prices is a harbinger of some type of commission-based compensation structure.