2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 423795]Good grief. It is possible that that we will have 4 more years of Obama. 4 more years of economic stagnation. If that is the will of the people, so be it.

Obama is not a bad person. I am convinced that Obama is doing the best he can. Watching Obama is similar to watching Pee Wee Herman trying to hit a Sandy Koufax slider. Obama is way out of his league.[/QUOTE]This is what I will do for you, I will set up a sucide hotline. Obama has at least a 50% of winning, so it could easily happen. Pee Wee Herman look like he is pretty quick, he could bunt and beat the throw to 1st base.

Just remember what yogi berra said. He said he could understand how sandy koufax won 25 games. What he couldn't understand is how he lost 4 games.

Unrelated to the issue, so it would be brief. First, it is "Hara"-kiri. Secondly Hara-kiri is not a sucide to escape from an unbearable condition. I wouldn't bore you by explaining what it is about. BTW, I always like your posts.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;423790]You don't want to die a slow death just in case the simpletons multiply enough for Obama to hang around 4 more years. You sound like someone having a dry run, pumping all night with no release.[/QUOTE]

Yes, Black Men did have a hard time getting into the game.

I wonder why that is?

It wasn't because they couldn't play the game, nobody would let them.


[QUOTE=El Alamo; 423795]Good grief. It is possible that that we will have 4 more years of Obama. 4 more years of economic stagnation. If that is the will of the people, so be it.

Obama is not a bad person. I am convinced that Obama is doing the best he can. Watching Obama is similar to watching Pee Wee Herman trying to hit a Sandy Koufax slider. Obama is way out of his league.[/QUOTE]

A few predictions for what they are worth.

1) Obama is going to dump Biden. Obama and Biden have become synonomous with Laurel and Hardy, Amos and Andy, dumb and dumber. However, if Obama cannot dump biden, god help the Obama / Biden ticket. The logical replacement for Biden would be Hilary Clinton but Hillary and Obama probably hate each others guts. Furthermore, the world would begin listening to Bill and Hillary Clinton rather than Obama. There is a cliff separating the abilities of the Clinton's and the abilites of Obama. Not so with Biden. With biden it is dumb and dumber and take your pick who is dumb and who is dumber - Obama or Biden.

2) the immense advantage in campaign funds that Obama enjoyed in 2008 is gone. Expect Romney to get the message across that 'it doesn't have to be this way'. We can do better.

3) At the end of the day. I think Jimmy Carter would be a more viable candidate than Obama. At least Jimmy Carter ran a peanut farm and had a brother who produced billy beer. Obama has yet to sell his first glass of lemonaide from his solar powered, wind assisted, now bankrupt lemonaide stand. All paid for by guess who. Think simpletons who, gracias a lobotomies, bought into Obama's hope and change. now known as hope to change who is in the white house.

Stop the Bitching and Winning.

What is O"Romney's Plan?

So far he said his plan is the same as Obama's.

Come on you Smart guys, tell us what you Republicans will do to get are Country back on top, how would You Create Jobs?

Plan One is?

Plan Two Is?

Plan Three Is?

Plan Four is?

So far O'Romney's Bank accounts are hidden. What is he hiding?

I think his plan is the Same as Bush's.

Sell the our Country to the Top Bidders. War for profits, Hotchkiss, Halibertain there all the same, making fortunes off of someone else's misfortune war profits.

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 423837]A few predictions for what they are worth.

1) Obama is going to dump Biden. Obama and Biden have become synonomous with Laurel and Hardy, Amos and Andy, dumb and dumber. However, if Obama cannot dump biden, god help the Obama / Biden ticket. The logical replacement for Biden would be Hilary Clinton but Hillary and Obama probably hate each others guts. Furthermore, the world would begin listening to Bill and Hillary Clinton rather than Obama. There is a cliff separating the abilities of the Clinton's and the abilites of Obama. Not so with Biden. With biden it is dumb and dumber and take your pick who is dumb and who is dumber. Obama or Biden.

2) the immense advantage in campaign funds that Obama enjoyed in 2008 is gone. Expect Romney to get the message across that 'it doesn't have to be this way'. We can do better.

3) At the end of the day. I think Jimmy Carter would be a more viable candidate than Obama. At least Jimmy Carter ran a peanut farm and had a brother who produced billy beer. Obama has yet to sell his first glass of lemonaide from his solar powered, wind assisted, now bankrupt lemonaide stand. All paid for by guess who. Think simpletons who, gracias a lobotomies, bought into Obama's hope and change. Now known as hope to change who is in the White house.[/QUOTE]

WT

Thank you for pointing out Obama's economic successes. As you accurately note, Obama has had zero as in no economic successes.

We can send Obama, who has not had a hit in 10,000 at bats, to the plate or we can go with someone else.

Or put another way, we can keep Obama at quarterback even though he has not completed a pass in 10,000 attempts.

1. Do everything possible to harm the economy.

2. Wait for 2012.

3. Campain on the failed economy.

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 423879]WT.

Thank you for pointing out Obama's economic successes. As you accurately note, Obama has had zero as in no economic successes.

We can send Obama, who has not had a hit in 10, 000 at bats, to the plate or we can go with someone else.

Or put another way, we can keep Obama at quarterback even though he has not completed a pass in 10, 000 attempts.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I forgot, the economy is Bush's fault

I see El Alamo continues to hit them out of the park, with his keen insight and deep analysis.

Grow the economy from the top ---> down (focus on supply)
Grow the economy from the middle ---> out (focus on demand)

These are the 2 fundamental economic choices in the coming election.

Which one is superior?

[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz; 423881]1. Do everything possible to harm the economy.

2. Wait for 2012.

3. Campain on the failed economy.[/QUOTE]It's the presidents job to bring the sides together and work for the good of the country. Reagan, Clinton, and both Bush's were able to do that with varying degrees of success but Obama has failed miserably, he wants to rule by decree.

[QUOTE=Esten;423904]These are the 2 fundamental economic choices in the coming election. [snip][/QUOTE]The choices are someone with a successful business track record or a [b]Failed Amateur[/b].

This make sense. The republicans, according to reliable sources, are doing everything possible to harm the economy. Not to worry. Obama is several steps ahead of the republicans. Obama has already destroyed the economy. There is nothing more for the republicans to do.

[QUOTE=Esten; 423904]Grow the economy from the top. Down (focus on supply)

Grow the economy from the middle. Out (focus on demand)

These are the 2 fundamental economic choices in the coming election.

Which one is superior?[/QUOTE]Esten, You mean "focus on investment" versus "focus on consumer consumption"? People in the USA have the highest standard of living or close to the highest standard of living in the world. Maybe Qatar and Luxembourg are better off. But it's financed by debt. Personal debt and government debt. The 2 fundamental choices are throwing gasoline on a fire or returning to sanity. Democrats want to throw gasoline. Republicans are a mixed bag. Some, like Bush, would throw Molotov cocktails. Others, like Paul Ryan, are voices of sanity. The choice to invest, in companies, businesses and improvements in productivity, is superior to the choice to borrow money so our citizens can buy more consumer goods from China.

Maybe just a little Alzheimers.

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 423917]This make sense. The republicans, according to reliable sources, are doing everything possible to harm the economy. Not to worry. Obama is several steps ahead of the republicans.

[b]Obama has already destroyed the economy[/b].

There is nothing more for the republicans to do.[/QUOTE][b]That was Bush! [/b]

I am astonished to learn that Bush is still in control of the presidency. Clever how Obama can pretend to be the President but is secretly deferring to Bush on all important decisions. Only on Argentinaprivate do you find out what is really going on.

[QUOTE=Punter 127;423915]It's the presidents job to bring the sides together and work for the good of the country. Reagan, Clinton, and both Bush's were able to do that with varying degrees of success but Obama has failed miserably, he wants to rule by decree.[/QUOTE]Congress has a responsibility to work together too. But Republicans were determined to thwart Obama right from the start. They refused to support the Stimulus despite the fact it contained significant tax breaks; they plotted against Obama on health care reform ("It will be his Waterloo") ; and proudly announced their top priority was not jobs, but to defeat Obama. On the debt deal, Obama and Boehner were working on a big deal, but far-right Repubs reeled Boehner back in, reminding him they had all signed a pledge not to compromise.

Have Congressional Republicans been working for the good of the country? The answer is clear: NO.

[QUOTE]The choices are someone with a successful business track record or a [b]Failed Amateur[/b].[/QUOTE]Romney's main success was making money for himself and his rich buddies. Sometimes at the expense of hard working Americans. If this were an election on running a private equity firm, Romney would be ahead. But it's an election on running a country, and Romney is behind. I wonder why that is? What do you call someone who is getting beat by a "Failed Amateur"?

The White 99% Republicans say Obama wants to tax and increase spending.

[b]He has the lowest tax rate in 30 years! [/b]

Read and Weep.

The Economy went to Shit Under [b]Bush! [/b]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 423932]The White 99% Republicans say Obama wants to tax and increase spending.

[b]He has the lowest tax rate in 30 years! [/b][/QUOTE]What do you have against white people? Federal spending under Obama is 24% of GDP, the highest since the 1940's:

[url]http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/06/01/president-obama-has-outspent-last-five-presidents[/url]

Taxes as % GDP are down on your graph for two reasons:

1. A recession occurred in 2009. Personal and corporate taxable income dropped more than GDP.

2. The Bush tax cuts decreased income tax rates across the board.

Related to "2" above, according to a CBO study, quoted approvingly by the Citizens for Tax Justice, the Bush tax cuts made the income tax system more progressive. They caused people at top income levels to pay a greater % of the total income tax.

The implication that Obama doesn't want to increase taxes or isn't a big spender is so ridiculous that it doesn't merit a reply. Read the newspaper. You know better.

Your other graphs conveniently stop before Obama became president. I believe presidents are given a lot more blame and credit for the state of the economy than they deserve. But if you correlate Obama's time in office with the state of the economy, considering we were "recovering" from a recession, he doesn't look any better than Bush.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 423936]What do you have against white people? Federal spending under Obama is 24% of GDP, the highest since the 1940's:

[url]http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/06/01/president-obama-has-outspent-last-five-presidents[/url]

Taxes as % GDP are down on your graph for two reasons:

1. A recession occurred in 2009. Personal and corporate taxable income dropped more than GDP.

2. The Bush tax cuts decreased income tax rates across the board.

Related to "2" above, according to a CBO study, quoted approvingly by the Citizens for Tax Justice, the Bush tax cuts made the income tax system more progressive. They caused people at top income levels to pay a greater % of the total income tax.

The implication that Obama doesn't want to increase taxes or isn't a big spender is so ridiculous that it doesn't merit a reply. Read the newspaper. You know better.

Your other graphs conveniently stop before Obama became president. I believe presidents are given a lot more blame and credit for the state of the economy than they deserve. But if you correlate Obama's time in office with the state of the economy, considering we were "recovering" from a recession, he doesn't look any better than Bush.[/QUOTE]Like all Pelosi Liberals (WT69 is a san fran boy) , they never let the truth get in the way! Furthermore, WT69 most likely will never set foot in BA again, as he would have to answer for all this spam he is placing on this thread after he repeatedly call for the threads closure! FACT!

Crawl back under your rock WT69. Your're home state has enough problems (CA) that I am surprised you even follow this board anymore. Shame on you, you worthless union ***** that can't even see that your touted masters let you down long ago! You are totally an extinct species howling at the moon, acting like an uninformed fool. Shame on you for spamming this thread with misinformation and foolishness. Doubt we'll ever see you in BA again. Keep howling at the moon dude. Toymann

That was pretty harsh, why can't we disagree yet maintain civility? Personally I think this is the root of all the issues up in the states these days. They have us fighting each other while the banks rob us blind and the pols on both sides of the aisle strip away our civil liberties one by one. Just my opinion.

[QUOTE=Toymann; 423937]Like all Pelosi Liberals (WT69 is a san fran boy) , they never let the truth get in the way! Furthermore, WT69 most likely will never set foot in BA again, as he would have to answer for all this spam he is placing on this thread after he repeatedly call for the threads closure! FACT!

Crawl back under your rock WT69. Your're home state has enough problems (CA) that I am surprised you even follow this board anymore. Shame on you, you worthless union * that can't even see that your touted masters let you down long ago! You are totally an extinct species howling at the moon, acting like an uninformed fool. Shame on you for spamming this thread with misinformation and foolishness. Doubt we'll ever see you in BA again. Keep howling at the moon dude. Toymann[/QUOTE]

Romney's Contributors hiding money.

I have nothing against White People; being one, just the Racist ones.

I Like this Federal Spending Chart better.

[url]http://www.fedspending.org/[/url]

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 423936]What do you have against white people? Federal spending under Obama is 24% of GDP, the highest since the 1940's:

[url]http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/06/01/president-obama-has-outspent-last-five-presidents[/url]

Taxes as % GDP are down on your graph for two reasons:

1. A recession occurred in 2009. Personal and corporate taxable income dropped more than GDP.

2. The Bush tax cuts decreased income tax rates across the board.

Related to "2" above, according to a CBO study, quoted approvingly by the Citizens for Tax Justice, the Bush tax cuts made the income tax system more progressive. They caused people at top income levels to pay a greater % of the total income tax.

The implication that Obama doesn't want to increase taxes or isn't a big spender is so ridiculous that it doesn't merit a reply. Read the newspaper. You know better.

Your other graphs conveniently stop before Obama became president. I believe presidents are given a lot more blame and credit for the state of the economy than they deserve. But if you correlate Obama's time in office with the state of the economy, considering we were "recovering" from a recession, he doesn't look any better than Bush.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;423942]Romney's Contributors hiding money.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it would be better to take money from the squeaky clean unions.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;423942]Romney's Contributors hiding money.[/QUOTE]I would contribute $2500 to Romney's campaign if I could hide it. Doing so publicly would be like volunteering that you're Jewish to the Nazi party in 1930's Germany.

The banks on your list weren't hiding anything. It's ironic, financial companies historically have been big contributors to the Democratic party, because the Democrats are more inclined to cater to special interests. The banks and other financial companies were big contributors to Obama in 2008. Not this time around. Maybe that's good. Maybe the Democratic Party isn't as inclined as it once was to bail out banks, provide backstops for mortgages to people who can't afford them, and fight to the death for hedge fund managers' carried interest tax breaks.

This is a hot one. Romney is considering condeleeza rice as his vp. The pluses are condeleeza was probably born in the united states and condeleeza rice does not need to hide her college transcripts to protect a 1.7 gpa and numerous probations for lack of academic performance. We are talking about Obama here.

The downside is that codeleeza would probaby be as successful as biden or Obama at running a lemonaide stand. The solar powered, wind assisted, federally funded lemonaide stand that never sold a single glass of lemonaide and is now bankrupt. The sad fact is that 3 of the 4 presidential and vice presidential candidates are clueless about the economy. Only Romney knows something about economics and Romney is being criticized for his expertise in economics. Only in america could we look at three stooges and deem them qualified and have questions about the one person with impecable qualifications. And then we wonder why we have unacceptable unemployment, a stagnant economy and staggering debt.

We are in danger of sending pee wee herman to pinch hit for babe ruth.

Mormons hate blacks. This is just for a fucking vote. Anyone that has spent one minute in utah will know this. They arr more bigoted the argenintes.

Can't belive you asshole republicans would vote for a fucking mormon when you fuck whoress everyday I guess its just the "right way of denyiing shit" go call jesus in next assholes

Trust me I know more blacks than romney none will fall for the bullshit

Romney was a private equity CEO, not an economist. He may have understood his specific investments, but that doesn't make him an expert on the broader economy nor on creating a strong middle class. From what I've heard from both candidates, Obama has a deeper understanding of economics than Romney.

Bain Capital was all about profit, profit, profit. Romney and his followers seem to believe more profit = more jobs. This is not necessarily true. Nobody should believe Romney when he says he knows how to create jobs, because that was never his motivation at Bain Capital.

Just this week we learned of yet another Bain Capital investment that worked against American workers. A Bain affiliate acquired a stake in Global-Tech Appliances, which manufactured household appliances in a production facility in China. At the time Romney was acquiring shares in Global-Tech, the firm publicly acknowledged that its strategy was to profit from prominent US companies outsourcing production abroad. So basically, Romney was helping and profiting off a Chinese company that made money when US companies outsourced.

These are the wrong kind of business credentials for the President of the United States.

Finally I agree with esten. The business credentials we are looking for in our president in someone like Obama who ran a solar powered, wind assisted, federally funded lemonaide stand that went bankrupt without selling a single glass of lemonaide.

"If You want Them Vote For the Other Guy"

[b]"If you Want Free things Vote for the Other Guy"[/b]

Romney Said that Today.

He is the One that is Out of Fucking Touch.

He does not know the hardships of Families trying to make a living.

He does not know his history and most of you don't either.

You and He were not born in Hard Times.

Free things started in World War II for me, while most fathers were at War.

My Mother Worked Two jobs to Keep food on our Plate.

Me and my Sister got Free food for Lunch, Free Shoes to wear, and Free Clothes to Wear.

Most of you Do Not Know Shit about that.

Romney says he Does.

What Bullshit!

He is a Rich Man and Most of you Are [b]Not In His Class[/b].

You Are Just Want-a-Bee's.

Political Groupies.

He Would Not Give You The Time Of Day.

And you Want someone Who cares about Jobs.

Our Countries Olympic Uniforms were made in China. More Out-Sourcing.

You Are Really Dumb.

Especially Toymann that has no Intelligent replies.

[QUOTE=Esten;423964]From what I've heard from both candidates, Obama has a deeper understanding of economics than Romney.[/quote]HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.

Stop it Esten!

You're killing me again!

[QUOTE=Esten;423964]Romney and his followers seem to believe more profit = more jobs.[/QUOTE]So can I infer that in Liberal La La Land "[U]no[/U] [U]profits[/U] = more jobs"?

You constantly amaze me with how your mind thinks.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Gato Hunter;423961]Mormons hate blacks. This is just for a fucking vote. Anyone that has spent one minute in utah will know this. They arr more bigoted the argenintes.[/Quote]'Bigotry is the state of mind of a "bigot", a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward members of a group. Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, race, ethnicity, nationality, region, language, [b][u]religious or spiritual belief, [/u][/b] Personal habits, [u][b]political alignment, [/u][/b]age, [u][b]economic status[/u][/b] or disability. Bigotry is sometimes developed into an ideology or world view."

[QUOTE=Gato Hunter;423961]Can't belive you asshole republicans would vote for a fucking mormon when you fuck whoress everyday I guess its just the "right way of denyiing shit" go call jesus in next assholes[/QUOTE]Why not call Jesus, Obama does.

[quote=Obama]‘We are both practicing Christians, and obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others, but, you know, when we think about our faith, the thing at root that we think about is, not only Christ sacrificing Himself on our behalf, but it’s also the golden rule, you know, treat others the way you would want to be treated.’[/quote]Didn't you know Obama claims to be a "practicing Christian", how could you support him? Who's the real bigot?

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 423967]He is a Rich Man and Most of you Are [b]Not In His Class[/b].

You Are Just Want-a-Bee's.

Political Groupies.

He Would Not Give You The Time Of Day.[/QUOTE]Hi WorldTravel69,

Why do you hate successful people?

Are you jealous of their success?

Do you suffer from "success envy"?

Do you believe that successful people are evil?

Do you believe that successful people should have their money taken from them?

Tell the truth.

Thanks,

Jackson

I just dusted off my 'psycology for dummies' textbook and now understand Obama supporters. According to this textbook. Losers are attracted to losers. Obama, being a loser, is attracting a lot of support from fellow losers.

Esten, most of the time profit does equal more jobs to produce more profit that is how it works.

I can guarantee you no profit equals NO JOBS!

Now let me get this straight, Obama has a greater understanding of national and international economics than Romney?

Please tell me when and where Obama gained the superior insight into economics.

Was it when he was a community organizer?

Was it during his 7 years in the Illinois state senate where he rarely even showed up?

Was it during his stunning 2 years in the US Senate, where he spent most of his time running for president?

Pray tell when did Obama gain this superior knowledge? Obama thinks he is the messiah of the evil United States where the masses don't know what is good for them and need his divine guidance.

Don't even try to tell us he arrived at this understanding of economics while he was teaching constitutional law, since this is the president who does not acknowledge the three SEPERATE but EQUAL branches of the governemnt clearly outlined in the constitution.

Obama is too stupid to even understand what he does not know.

Dude can I have some of the shit your smoking?

I do not hate successful people, just the Liar Romney.
Oh yes, and Bone ner.

[QUOTE=Jackson; 423971]Hi WorldTravel69,

Why do you hate successful people?

Are you jealous of their success?

Do you suffer from "success envy"?

Do you believe that successful people are evil?

Do you believe that successful people should have their money taken from them?

Tell the truth.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jackson; 423971]Hi WorldTravel69,

Why do you hate successful people?

Are you jealous of their success?

Do you suffer from "success envy"?

Do you believe that successful people are evil?

Do you believe that successful people should have their money taken from them?

Tell the truth.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]Very funny. These are standard questions for whack jobs wearing straight jackets in the looney bin.

You forgot one.

Do you believe that successful people are better than you?

The jew vote will go to Obama Mormons have been pulling some bullshit baptizing holocaust victims for years. Those fuckers are. Crazier than scientoogits. I also think most non brainwashed idiots will not vote for a fucker that's part of a cult. I think all you right wing assholes should go to Utah so it can be bombed like Iraq. Then real social progresses can happen. Real jobs that pay more than macdonalds. Utah no pussy wattered down beeer and yo you asssholees want this fucker as el jeffe? What a crock of shit pot called he wants the kettle back