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[QUOTE=MoonDog]Hollywood,
The girls may want you to pay the 40 peso fee that the cafe charges them to work there, but that is your choice. Just remember, she may have had three guys pay the fee before you the same day.
Moondog[/QUOTE]
Moondog,
Yes, I was required to pay the 40P exit fee not to the girl but to the bartender/waiter guy. Should I have not paid? If so, thanks for the info. I don't want to drop another 40P if I don't have to.
Muchas gracias,
Senior Moondog.
[b]Required?[/b] You are [b]required[/b] to pay taxes and die. Unless, of course, you qualify for the "foreign earned income exclusion," as I do. Then you are only [b]required[/b] to die eventually. The death rate is one per capita.
[QUOTE=Dickhead][b]Required?[/b] You are [b]required[/b] to pay taxes and die. Unless, of course, you qualify for the "foreign earned income exclusion," as I do. Then you are only [b]required[/b] to die eventually. The death rate is one per capita.[/QUOTE]
Much respect to you guys. Now another subject. I imagine not all of you guys prefer going to discoteques but I would like to know from any of the younger guys (or anyone for that matter) which is the best (and I mean the best) discoteque in town. VIP tables etc. Hopefully you guys will reply in the next few hours. I heard Asia de Cuba was good. What other clubs are good? I need to get out of the apartment and want to experience a different scene tonight. Thanks in advance.
Hollywood
[QUOTE=Hollywood]Much respect to you guys. Now another subject. I imagine not all of you guys prefer going to discoteques but I would like to know from any of the younger guys (or anyone for that matter) which is the best (and I mean the best) discoteque in town. VIP tables etc. Hopefully you guys will reply in the next few hours. I heard Asia de Cuba was good. What other clubs are good? I need to get out of the apartment and want to experience a different scene tonight. Thanks in advance.
Hollywood[/QUOTE]
Don't know if I caught you in time.
Yes Asia de Cuba is a good club and so is Opera Bay, which is also in Puerto Madero. Both are very upscale. Music in both places tends to be electronic, but Opera Bay has several dance floors and plays other types of music.
The "best" club is in the eye of the beholder. Depends what scene you like. There's so much going on in this city.
I'm not sure I'd call Asia de Cuba upscale given that I and many others wore jeans the last time I was there. Well, I wasn't dancing on sawdust and cigarette stubs. Just dress hip. There are lots of young women there outnumbering the men. Fun place.
Other than those two in Puerto Madero, hit one here in Palermo Viejo, Costanera Norte or any place else other than the Recoleta tourist trap.
Niceto Club
Niceto Vega 5510 between Humboldt and Fitz Roy
[url]http://www.nicetoclub.com/[/url]
Best night is Thursday for Club 69. Maybe too popular.
Mint
Av. Costanera Rafael Obligado
I haven't hit it yet but this has been recommended to me more than once.
Here's a good link listing what clubs to go to on what night.
[url]http://www.almesberger.net/fun/night.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Hollywood]Moondog,
Yes, I was required to pay the 40P exit fee not to the girl but to the bartender/waiter guy. Should I have not paid? If so, thanks for the info. I don't want to drop another 40P if I don't have to.[/QUOTE]
Dickhead has got it right, as usual. :) The decision to pay her fee is yours and yours alone.
Moondog
The bartender probably kept it and charged her as well.
Dear Gentlemen,
from reading the many good reports on this forum I have noticed that people tend not to pay the provider until after the service is completed. This is very unusual for me.
In my local mongering scene it is almost manditory to pay for services upfront, otherwise the service will simply be refused!
So how do you guys get away with this, is it that this is just the cultural norm among the mongering community of BsAs?
When I am in BsAs if a girl demands up-front payment should I refuse?
Now given that many mongers do not pay up-front for the service does this mean you are assuming the right not to pay at all if you are unsatisfied with the service you recieve? How does this work and what lee-way do I have here?
Thanks for your help, this forum and it's contributors have been very valuable in preparing for my adventure there.
Regards,
Silent Monger
[QUOTE=Silent Monger].......When I am in BsAs if a girl demands up-front payment should I refuse?....[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. It is the "norm" here, as opposed to USA. However, I always clear up this and some other points with them before I take them out. If you don't, chances are that they will ask money up front. At this point, it is your call whether you will continue or send them away with taxi fare. For brothels and clubs like "Rio Cabaña", you have to pay up front.
[QUOTE]Now given that many mongers do not pay up-front for the service does this mean you are assuming the right not to pay at all if you are unsatisfied with the service you recieve? How does this work and what lee-way do I have here?....Silent Monger[/QUOTE]
If you are looking for a freebie on the ground of technicality.....don't. However, if you had negotiated something like BBBJ, anal etc. and she did not deliver, then you may deduct some of the payment. Don't try to stiff them totally, once you partook in the service. If a chica is notorious and delivers terrible service, write about her on this board. I am sure all of us will take note and scratch her off our wish list. Read Jackson's experience about Barbara in 1707 Santa Fe thread. Its very educational for BA mongers.
Bandy
Silent Monger
bandy is right, the idea is not to get a freebie due to a technicality. The issue is more about power, in a chicas mind once you pay that money is earned and her thoughts are on where the next money is coming from. When they don't have it in their pocket it's not theirs yet. In this country when they talk about getting paid for a job they use the word "gana" (I think that's right, my spelling sucks equally bad in Castillano as it does in English) it's the word for win, I don't think they have the concept of "earn".
Also they really are responsive to men they percieve as powerful, one of the ways you hold power is to not do things as they want them but as you want them. These honeys deserve a bit of respect and affection but never forget they are there to serve you and never the other way around, though a little daty does go a long, long way to having a nice session.
Clearly state that the price is in Peso's, look them right in the eye and tell them your requirements whatever they may be, then tell them you will pay them after and not before. If they try to change the deal back at the homestead cancel the action. When they ask for cab fare tell them you are not going back to the club they work at so their cab problems are their problem not yours. Be resilute and the "misunderstanding" will go away. If it doesn't go find another.
I've said it a million times here, there is absolutly no shortage of beautiful available women in BsAs and the only time the market is controled by supply is when there is a shortage or when the consumer doesn't understand the power they have. My buddy says it the best, "Be a King" expect to be served, if the service isn't what you want go get another. Don't be an asshole, just be firm. If your from the States then you have been conditioned that what your doing is shameful. It's not, it's fun. Fucking without commitment is fun so be the best putanero you can be and have a blast.
The exception to this is privados, you must pay in advance in apartments. 1707 in my opinion has jacked up the price too high with mandatory propinas, they are at the point that whatever you pay for an hour only includes intercourse and you have to pay extra for anything else. Avoid it and go to another.
[QUOTE=Silent Monger]Dear Gentlemen,
from reading the many good reports on this forum I have noticed that people tend not to pay the provider until after the service is completed. This is very unusual for me.
In my local mongering scene it is almost manditory to pay for services upfront, otherwise the service will simply be refused!
So how do you guys get away with this, is it that this is just the cultural norm among the mongering community of BsAs?
When I am in BsAs if a girl demands up-front payment should I refuse?
Now given that many mongers do not pay up-front for the service does this mean you are assuming the right not to pay at all if you are unsatisfied with the service you recieve? How does this work and what lee-way do I have here?
Thanks for your help, this forum and it's contributors have been very valuable in preparing for my adventure there.
Regards,
Silent Monger[/QUOTE]All terms in any contract are negotiable. You have just as much power to set and refuse any terms as the other party. You too can simply refuse! It's so easy! She's got something you want and you've got something she wants. Think just like her. You have this wad of cash. What does she need to do and how does she need to do it for you to agree to hand her that cash? It's up to you. She does the same thing with what she has and what she needs from you. You're equal.
I don't know about the other post about how in the USA the norm is to pay up front. I don't agree. I've done hundreds of women for pay over a decade or more there and have seen it both ways. I've usually insisted on paying afterwards and have walked out if they made a big deal about it. Some localities may lean more one way than the other but you can always negotiate. They don't have to agree nor do you. You both can agree or you can agree to disagree and talk to someone else.
I haven't paid anyone up front on this trip at either the massage parlours or café takeout. As a matter of fact, I have never been asked for the money. I've simply left it on the table at the end before taking a shower. It's never been discussed. Here I wouldn't even consider paying up front because I know these women have little bargaining power. They can absorb the risk rather than me. I'm happy to learn in this thread that the apartments demand money up front because now I won't have to waste my time paying them a visit. There are too many options here, too many women hanging around waiting for something to happen, to bother with that!
I also would not pay taxi fare for someone if I thought they were pulling something on me. An honest misunderstanding? Well, maybe then. My fault? Certainly. But not if some atypical condition were introduced by them. Just as you have to pay for your own gas home if you don't complete a deal when going to visit some provider, these girls can pay their own way home too. Any lady here asking for money up front knows that it's unusual. She's taking a risk of the deal falling through and can pay the consequences.
I read in yesterday's Buenos Aires Herald that the average university-educated professional in this city earns about $1,200 (pesos) a month. That's about $300 a week. A lady seeing two clients at $150 each per week will earn that. She also won't pay any taxes on that I'm sure. OK, she's got some business expenses like her mobile phone, clothes, and "bar fines". Add another client or so. In any case, a lady seeing a client every other day or so will be doing about as well as other average professionals in this economy, relatively speaking. It'll still be rough but not as bad as a whole lot of other people here. If she's cut out for this job she'll have cab fare.
By the way, not that it matters much, but I reward great service and attitude with generous propinas. Risk/reward, no?
Over the last 3 years in BsAs, I've only been asked once upfront. I'd always thought I'd put it on the night stand in clear view if it became an issue and the lady was to die for, but that hasn't happened to me in BsAs (and I'm not nearly as charming as a DH...)
Personally, I do not even discuss money. If they bring it up, we either agree or modify it. Performance based salary. If they are really good, then reward them accordingly. If it is just eat and run, then pay minumum wage. Personal opinion only.
The cartoon below this message shows a good reason not to pay in advance.
Moondog
In my two weeks in Recoleta in March, only had one chick (from Affaire Recoleta) ask for an up front, she changed her mind quick when I showed her the door
On the other hand, I never try to grind on the fee or propina (if any), we are not buying used cars
"Error on the side of the GFE"--what is a few bucks one way or the other?
Veterano