I'm really thinking most of you assholes just can't stand a black man as president. How sad but you would cot for a fuxking Waco job
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I'm really thinking most of you assholes just can't stand a black man as president. How sad but you would cot for a fuxking Waco job
What you call "assholes" can't stand any Democratic president. They wouldn't have any problem with a black Republican president as they don't with the black Supreme Court Justice. Even if War in Iraq and the great recession in 2008 happened under a black GOP president, they wouln't have minded. But if a white Democratic president killed BinLaden and adopted heathcare reform, they wouldn't like them.
[QUOTE=Gato Hunter;423991]I'm really thinking most of you assholes just can't stand a black man as president. How sad but you would cot for a fuxking Waco job[/QUOTE]
Gato, that stroke must have had a greater affect on you than you have admitted. Get back on your meds, fast.
Stick with doing the GF and stop posting while off your meds. Your typing goes to shit as well as your ability to reason.
Post something about pusssy it's the iPad aout correct that's the problem I have the spnish keyboard turned on it fucks everything up
How about a poltical debate between challenger GatoHunter (on meds) and self proclaimed champion Toyman (on steriods). Make sure you bring some towels, alot of spit will be flying.
I would surmise most of Obama's understanding of the economy comes from the last 3. 5 years, as President. Listening to economists with an open mind rather than blindly following an ideology.
Obama understands what Romney does not: giving tax cuts to the wealthy (helping the rich get richer) is wasteful. Contrary to Republican belief, that money does not all "trickle down" so that everyone prospers. Some of it trickles down, and some of it doesn't. And what trickles down doesn't always help the economy. There was a story earlier this week, some rich hedge fund guy bought a painting for $120 Million. How many jobs did that create? These tax cuts add significantly to deficits; how does the economy benefit in return?
Conversely, a far greater proportion of wealth earned by the middle class flows back into the economy. Growing the economy from the 'middle out' as Obama says, is both an economically and morally superior approach.
Romney believes in trickle-down economics, but this is a failed economic policy that has only weakened the middle class since Reagan.
[QUOTE=Esten;424001]There was a story earlier this week, some rich hedge fund guy bought a painting for $120 Million. How many jobs did that create?[/QUOTE]Hey Estan,
It doesn't matter how much the guy spent buying the painting, because it's [b][u]his[/u] [u]fucking[/u] [u]money[/u]![/b]
To restate the obvious, it's not [b][u]your[/u] [u]fucking[/u] [u]money[/u]![/b]
Get it?
Why do liberals believe that if an individual is not spending their own money on the things that liberals want, then the liberals have the right to confiscate that money and spend it for them?
Thanks,
Jackson
I have suggested before, and esten has admitted, that he is spoofing us with ridiculous posts. To be honest, most of esten's posts are out there somewhere between the orbits of Neptune and Pluto. Thery make absolutely no sense and defy all parameters of common sense.
My suspicion is that Esten is laughing his ass off as we take seriously posts that daily become more absurd.
[QUOTE=Jackson; 424003]It doesn't matter how much the guy spent buying the painting, because it's [b][u]his[/u] [u]fucking[/u] [u]money[/u]! [/b]
To restate the obvious, it's not [b][u]your[/u] [u]fucking[/u] [u]money[/u]! [/b]
Get it?[/QUOTE]This post illustrates perfectly why Conservatives are not to be trusted on the economy.
Notice Jackson doesn't debate the point on economic grounds but on moral grounds. It's the rich guy's money. Even after many rich people say they don't need all their money, they don't need their tax cuts, they think it's best for the economy / country to raise their taxes, a Conservative will shout no, it's their money. They don't debate the point on it's economic merit, because it's a losing argument for them.
The wealthy and their lobbyists have engineered a system where most of the wealth accumulates at the top. The top 5% control about 80% of the wealth. It seems this number could go up to 90%, 95%, 99%, through more lobbying and engineering, wages could go down further, poverty could increase further, and a Conservative would still object to any attempt to reverse such economic inequality.
When it comes to the economy, Conservatives are ideologists, and suckers.
Esten, you don't 'Get It' because you don't want to get it. You are too blinded by 'social justice'.
Jackson's argument is based on economics; the funds spent were earned by the person spending them.
Liberal's can't stand people to spend money on things liberals don't consider 'just', 'moral' or 'are economically correct'.
Liberals wish to deny those who do not believe as they do one of the founding principles of this country. Liberty. The masses are too stupid to know what is best for them so the Ruling Liberal Elite will tell them what is good for them.
If Obama's economic prowess is based on the last 3. 5 years in office he gets an 'F'. His policies have failed and all he can do is offer up the same failed policies.
Esten, I agree 100% with Jackson. What you want to the extent you want it is institutionalized theft.
But, if you want to put yourself in the position of a thief, you should give some thought to what would be in your best interests, long term. How can you pocket the most money over the next 30 or 40 or 50 years. Without a doubt, you'd kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Obama would too, in part perhaps because he believes like you but mostly because it's good politics. Telling 97% of the country you're going to rob from the other 3% and somehow spend it on the 97%.
According to a study that just came out from the Congressional Budget Office, the federal tax rate on the top 1% in 2009 was 29%. The average for the country was 11%. Anyway, add state income tax, sales taxes, property taxes and the time and money that go into reporting to the taxing authorities and I bet the total is hitting on 50% of pre-tax income. Most of after tax profits of these individuals doesn't go into buying things like $120 million paintings. It's re-invested in businesses. Or it goes into bank accounts and bonds. It's loaned to businesses, municipalities and the feds to grow the economy and pay for government.
I just looked at IRS tax statistics for the most recent available year. Pelosi wants to stick it to people that make over $1 million a year and leave others untouched. Obama would go lower, to $200,000 or $250,000. Anyway, let's assume you're going to take every after-tax dollar from anyone who makes over $500,000 per year. You're going to take every dime that the federal and state governments aren't already taking in taxes, and leave them with nothing. This group made $901 billion in taxable income. They paid $257 billion in federal income tax. I figure they paid maybe another $63 billion in state income tax. That leaves them with $581 billion that you can get if you take everything. The current outstanding public debt is over $15 trillion. Please notethat's about 25 times larger than every after tax dollar earned by those who make over $500,000 per year. You add in social security and Medicare and Medicaid liabilities, and the debt would jump to over $50 trillion. That's over 80 years of all the after-tax income from the over-$500,000 crowd.
The tax the rich ploy is political fodder for the Democratic Party. It's not going to solve the country's problems. It is going to make them worse, if implemented, by reducing the capital available to the private economy. However, this does get votes. That's the reason Democrat politicians are obsessed with it. It's the same reason that they're obsessed with whether some people lost jobs while Romney was at Bain Capital. It's all about votes.
[QUOTE=Black Shirt;424000]champion Toyman (on steriods).[/QUOTE]I have been hitting the gym lately, and lost about 6 kilos. Thanks for noticing BS. Monger on dudes. Toymann
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;423942]Romney's Contributors hiding money.[/QUOTE]The bankers are the ones in charge. Goldman Sachs hand selected BO and were either his largest or second largest contributor. I believe they gave BO far more money in 2008 than they have Romney in 2012. The difference between MR and BO is that MR understands how to make a profit. BO only understands how to get money out of government.
Everyone seems to get lost in the Republicans vs. Democrats angle. The banksters love that. What we need is an old fashioned Black Friday. Here is some information on that famous Black Friday:
"Black Friday (24 September 1869) was the climactic day of an effort by the financiers Jay Gould and James Fisk Jr, with the help of President Ulysses S. Grant's brother-in-law Abel Rathbone Corbin and one or two associates, to corner the ready gold supply of the United States. Because the nation was then on a paper money basis, gold was dealt in as a speculative commodity on the New York exchange. On 2 September Gould began buying gold on a large scale; on 15 September, Fisk also began buying heavily and soon forced the price from $135 to $140. The movement excited much suspicion and fear, and the New York Tribune argued that the Treasury had the "plain and imperative" duty to sell gold and break up the conspiracy. Secretary of the Treasury George S. Boutwell visited New York but decided not to act. Meanwhile, Grant had gone to Washington, Pennsylvania, and was out of touch until he returned to Washington, D. C, on 22 September. On 23 September, with gold at $144, the New York panic grew serious."
And:
"The effects of Black Friday caused dislocations in the financial markets which lasted into 1870. The term "Black Friday" came about as nervous depositors withdraw their gold coin savings from banks. Angry mobs dragged bankers out of their offices if they did not give back people's life savings (in gold coins) and there are reports that bankers were hung in New York. Grant's government had to send in troops to stop the riots. Many speculators and investors were wiped out."
What these articles did not mention is that many of those bankers tried to give depositers $20 greenbacks instead of their gold coins. The customers, not being as civilized as today's citizens, hung the thieving bankers on the lamp posts.
Personally, I do not care for BO or MR. I will vote for MR, because he will govern in a way that will delay a USD collapse for a year or two longer than BO. In addition, BO has been planning for 4 years to take the retirement plan assets. But he had to wait for a second term. Recent laws are making it very hard for US citizens to open accounts outside the US. Sounds a bit like Argentina, doesn't it?
The refusal on the part of Mitt Romney to release his pre-2010 tax returns is going to prove to be his waterloo. He is clearly hiding something that probably is not illegal but would be perceived by the media and the unwashed masses as unbecoming of a POTUS. Elaborate tax avoidance schemes, betting / hedging against the US Dollar, large offshore deposits, etc are all standard practice (and currently perfectly legal) for Wall Street Sharks like Romney but are inappropriate and unpatriotic for a potential POTUS and if disclosed as fact will be used by Obama's team to shatter Romney's campaign.
The refusal on the part of Barak Obama to release his college transcripts is going to prove to be his Waterloo. He is clearly hiding something that probably is not illegal but would be perceived by the media and the unwashed masses as unbecoming of a POTUS. Poor grades, intermittent attendance, lackluster participation, etc. are all standard practice (and currently perfectly legal) for community organizers but are inappropriate and unpatriotic for a potential POTUS, and if disclosed as fact will be used by Romney's team to shatter Obama's campaign.
[QUOTE=Jackson;424074]The refusal on the part of Barak Obama to release his college transcripts is going to prove to be his Waterloo. He is clearly hiding something that probably is not illegal but would be perceived by the media and the unwashed masses as unbecoming of a POTUS. Poor grades, intermittent attendance, lackluster participation, etc. are all standard practice (and currently perfectly legal) for community organizers but are inappropriate and unpatriotic for a potential POTUS, and if disclosed as fact will be used by Romney's team to shatter Obama's campaign.[/QUOTE]You are a piece of work. Always miss the point. So predictable it's funny!
Come on Jackson, you can do better than that. It is clear, even to a four year old, that NOBODY in this election cares or is even talking about Obama's college transcripts; the majority of voters in this election who will make the difference did not even go to college. Romney's shadowy financial dealings and history as a corporate raider, however, are making front page news and middle and working class voters are concerned that Mitt Romney might be the Mormon Gordon Gekko. Does anybody really believe that middle class voters in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida and going to relate to and vote for a Mormon Gordon Gekko, should it in fact be revealed that Romney has extensive offshore bank accounts, hedges / shorts against the USD, tax avoidance schemes, etc?
While watching Meet the Press they were talking about the Tax extensions. The republican said they should keep the Cuts and not tax the Job Creators. They have been getting this Tax Cut for YEARS!
Where's The JOBS they are Creating? China?
In this article this guy and others make Too Much Money. What do they do to justify making this much money? Since they are not the ones DOING the work.
[url]http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_21069412/cassidy-is-apple-ceo-tim-cook-worth-378-million?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com[/url]
Verizon's Boss makes loads of Bucks, but wants his workers wages and benefits lowered.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 424098]While watching Meet the Press they were talking about the Tax extensions. The republican said they should keep the Cuts and not tax the Job Creators. They have been getting this Tax Cut for YEARS!
Where's The JOBS they are Creating? China?
In this article this guy and others make Too Much Money. What do they do to justify making this much money? Since they are not the ones DOING the work.
[url]http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_21069412/cassidy-is-apple-ceo-tim-cook-worth-378-million?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com[/url]
Verizon's Boss makes loads of Bucks, but wants his workers wages and benefits lowered.[/QUOTE]The mercury out of silicone valley! IALOTFLMAO! Can you quote any source that isn't some wild-ass liberal spin rag out of silicone valley. Suggest you read the Obama "pink slip" billboards along the I-680 dude. LOL. So pathetic WT69. Say Hi to nancy for me Monday morning. Happy Mongering All. Toymann
And California.
In case you do not know it, that's where a lot of the money is.
They were just reporting the News.
No Spin, It's just your Head Is Spinning.
[QUOTE=Toymann;424104]The mercury out of silicone valley! IALOTFLMAO! Can you quote any source that isn't some wild-ass liberal spin rag out of silicone valley. Suggest you read the Obama "pink slip" billboards along the I-680 dude. LOL. So pathetic WT69. Say Hi to nancy for me Monday morning. Happy Mongering All. Toymann[/QUOTE]
P.S. Your Girlfriend Nancy was born in Baltimore, raised back East.
Much more money with the old Jews
Really can't SW much of the old Jew and Cuban vote going to or money inn south Florida.
Apparently, back in 2008 Romney gave the McCain campaign 23 years of tax returns during the vetting process for McCain's VP search; the word is that the contents of those tax returns is what led McCain to reject Romney as his running mate and go with Sarah Palin instead. In addition, Romney just went on five network interviews and again claimed he left Bain Capital completely in 1999 even though his signed, sworn statements to the SEC put him as the CEO, President, Chairman of the Board, and sole shareholder of Bain Capital until 2003; he is either lying now or he lied to the SEC on his signed, sworn statements. This is going to bring down the Romney campaign.
[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424110]Apparently, back in 2008 Romney gave the McCain campaign 23 years of tax returns during the vetting process for McCain's VP search; the word is that the contents of those tax returns is what led McCain to reject Romney as his running mate and go with Sarah Palin instead. In addition, Romney just went on five network interviews and again claimed he left Bain Capital completely in 1999 even though his signed, sworn statements to the SEC put him as the CEO, President, Chairman of the Board, and sole shareholder of Bain Capital until 2003; he is either lying now or he lied to the SEC on his signed, sworn statements. This is going to bring down the Romney campaign.[/QUOTE]Guese you are totally ignorant with regard to large company business practices in the US. It is totally common practice when a succesfull CEO / Owner steps down or moves on (both public and privately held companies) that the outgoing CEO / Owner stays on as chairman of the board / owner till a fully executed transition occurs. The transition is most often handled by others (especially when the exiting owner is being bought out, it's called the earn-out period) but the purpose of keeping the previous CEO / owner on the board is for name recognition / transitional purposes or earnout tax management planning. Romney has stated he was not involved in a management capacity with Bain after 1999. Thats what your papers clearly state IDIOT!
The Bain people have unequivalently confirmed this and on top of it all Romney began working his magic with the salt lake olympics full time immediately after he left Bain (guese why he left, its not rocket science, the Olympics were in huge trouble, and an international committee headed by a canadian begged him to take on the mess and fix it!). Did I mention he didn't even take a salary for his efforts. Did I mention he totally turned the project from a huge mess to the best run winter olympics of all time. Hmmm. He is good at turning a sows ear into a silk purse. Anyone know of a mess that needs cleaning up right now? Anyone, anyone?
Your statements SnakeOil serve to illustrate how totally ignorant you must be of the business world in america. You are a peice of work dude. I suggest you remain quite and be thought a fool than open your mouth again and remove all doubt! IALOTFLMAO at you! America is much smarter than you give us credit for retard. This type of smoke screen just doesn't play well in 2012. Keep howling at the moon dude! Or move to Canada! Just more misdirection from the wild-ass liberals. Tick Tick Tick. Hope you don't cry to hard in novemeber. Your're socialist, hand-out, society just doesn't play in america. It's been tried before and rejected. Happy Mongering All but Snake Boy. Toymann
ps. read your 12 posts dude. Too funny. Thanx for the contributions so far. Stupid and ignorant is no way to go through life young man! IALOTFLMAO
[QUOTE=Toymann; 424111]Guese you are totally ignorant with regard to large company business practices in the US. It is totally common practice when a succesfull CEO / Owner steps down or moves on (both public and privately held companies) that the outgoing CEO / Owner stays on as chairman of the board / owner till a fully executed transition occurs. The transition is most often handled by others (especially when the exiting owner is being bought out, it's called the earn-out period) but the purpose of keeping the previous CEO / owner on the board is for name recognition / transitional purposes or earnout tax management planning. Romney has stated he was not involved in a management capacity with Bain after 1999. Thats what your papers clearly state IDIOT!
The Bain people have unequivalently confirmed this and on top of it all Romney began working his magic with the salt lake olympics full time immediately after he left Bain (guese why he left, its not rocket science, the Olympics were in huge trouble, and an international committee headed by a canadian begged him to take on the mess and fix it!). Did I mention he didn't even take a salary for his efforts. Did I mention he totally turned the project from a huge mess to the best run winter olympics of all time. Hmmm. He is good at turning a sows ear into a silk purse. Anyone know of a mess that needs cleaning up right now? Anyone, anyone?
Your statements SnakeOil serve to illustrate how totally ignorant you must be of the business world in america. You are a peice of work dude. I suggest you remain quite and be thought a fool than open your mouth again and remove all doubt! IALOTFLMAO at you! America is much smarter than you give us credit for retard. This type of smoke screen just doesn't play well in 2012. Keep howling at the moon dude! Or move to Canada! Just more misdirection from the wild-ass liberals. Tick Tick Tick. Hope you don't cry to hard in novemeber. Your're socialist, hand-out, society just doesn't play in america. It's been tried before and rejected. Happy Mongering All but Snake Boy. Toymann.
Ps. Read your 12 posts dude. Too funny. Thanks for the contributions so far. Stupid and ignorant is no way to go through life young man! IALOTFLMAO[/QUOTE]Whether I am ignorant or not about the business world is totally inconsequential to this discussion of the upcoming election; I am not running for any office, however Romney IS running for office and he is clearly hiding something messy in those 23 years of tax returns he has yet to fork over to be analyzed. He is probably concealing the same sort of shifty tax avoidance schemes, exotic offshore holdings, and USD shorts that all Wall Street Sharks utilize. The vast majority of Americans do not trust the Wall Street Sharks who through their absolutely reckless and greedy riverboat gambling nearly sank (and may yet sink) the entire financial world. Americans are still mad that the Wall Street Sharks gambled, lost, and then got bailed out 100 cents on the dollar thanks to sweetheart deals between current and former Wall Street Sharks in and out of government. The key here for Obama is to paint Romney as one of these such Wall Street Sharks and once these tax returns are released it will be like Christmas, Easter, New Year's Eve and Barack's birthday all rolled into one for the Obama campaign.
[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424112]once these tax returns are released it will be like Christmas, Easter, New Year's Eve and Barack's birthday all rolled into one for the Obama campaign. [snip][/QUOTE]What makes you think he will release his tax returns? If he does he will probably take at least as long as Obama took to come up with a birth certificate.
[QUOTE=Punter 127;424113]What makes you think he will release his tax returns? If he does he will probably take at least as long as Obama took to come up with a birth certificate.[/QUOTE]I think the pressure from within his own party and the non-stop attacks by the Obama campaign will force his hand on this. Already, the governor of Alabama, the former governor of Mississippi, and several well known Republican pundits and strategists are calling for Romney to in fact release the returns. Romney simply will not be able to re-frame the electoral debate / discussion and successfully go on the offensive against Obama until he comes clean with his tax returns. In addition, although this might sound a bit arcane at this point, I believe the Republican party powers that be want this storm to explode BEFORE Romney is formally nominated so they can come up with a plan B at the convention should some damning skeleton be found in Romney's tax return closet.
[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424114]I think the pressure from within his own party and the non-stop attacks by the Obama campaign will force his hand on this. Already, the governor of Alabama, the former governor of Mississippi, and several well known Republican pundits and strategists are calling for Romney to in fact release the returns. Romney simply will not be able to re-frame the electoral debate / discussion and successfully go on the offensive against Obama until he comes clean with his tax returns. In addition, although this might sound a bit arcane at this point, I believe the Republican party powers that be want this storm to explode BEFORE Romney is formally nominated so they can come up with a plan B at the convention should some damning skeleton be found in Romney's tax return closet.[/QUOTE]I think it's just wishful thinking on your part.
Just this weeks distraction from Obamas failed record.
[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424110]Apparently, back in 2008 Romney gave the McCain campaign 23 years of tax returns during the vetting process for McCain's VP search; the word is that the contents of those tax returns is what led McCain to reject Romney as his running mate and go with Sarah Palin instead. In addition, Romney just went on five network interviews and again claimed he left Bain Capital completely in 1999 even though his signed, sworn statements to the SEC put him as the CEO, President, Chairman of the Board, and sole shareholder of Bain Capital until 2003; he is either lying now or he lied to the SEC on his signed, sworn statements. This is going to bring down the Romney campaign.[/QUOTE] Edited to remove facts already covered by Toymann
If there really was anything to this issue, BO would have the SEC all over MR's butt. The fact that nothing is going on with the SEC should tell you that there is nothing really there.
More interesting to me is why no one seems to be talking about BO protecting Corzine who took down MF Global. MF Global hired Attorney General Holder's close friend Reid Weingarten to defend Edith Obrien. Edith Obrien is the MF Global employee who can bury Corzine. So now you have the circle jerk defense for the lack of prosecution of Corzine and other MF Global executives.
We cannot prosecute Corzine for a lack of evidence. But we cannot get the evidence because the Justice Department refuses to give Obrien immunity from prosecution. Keep in mind that one of Obrien's emails regarding the illegal money transfers states that it was per JC's specific instructions. So Corzine, who is busy doing fundraiser's for BO, gets off from prosecution because the Justice Department refuses to provide immunity to an underling.
[url]http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-07-10/pfg-falls-return-mf-global-eric-holder-connection-and-how-keep-investigation-[/url]
[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424112]Whether I am ignorant or not about the business world is totally inconsequential to this discussion of the upcoming election; I am not running for any office, however Romney IS running for office and he is clearly hiding something messy in those 23 years of tax returns he has yet to fork over to be analyzed. He is probably concealing the same sort of shifty tax avoidance schemes, exotic offshore holdings, and USD shorts that all Wall Street Sharks utilize. The vast majority of Americans do not trust the Wall Street Sharks who through their absolutely reckless and greedy riverboat gambling nearly sank (and may yet sink) the entire financial world. Americans are still mad that the Wall Street Sharks gambled, lost, and then got bailed out 100 cents on the dollar thanks to sweetheart deals between current and former Wall Street Sharks in and out of government. The key here for Obama is to paint Romney as one of these such Wall Street Sharks and once these tax returns are released it will be like Christmas, Easter, New Year's Eve and Barack's birthday all rolled into one for the Obama campaign.[/QUOTE]Glad to see you are now over the whole "when Romney left Bain smoke screen". Glad my lecture served to educate you. So now we're back to speculating about tax returns. IALOTFLMAO! These type of speculative rantings only ineterest the wild-ass liberal, occupy wallstreest, I hate america, types like yourself. Republicans, and most importantly most independents don't give a damn about this discussion. IT's ALL ABOUT JOBS AND THE ECONOMY DUDE! Nothing that Obomantion, his handlers or foolish liberal types like you can say will change that. Sadly today, the liberal party has just become so extreme that they fail to see whats going on around them. These days liberals like you and your kind are just "whistling past the cemetary". Tick Tick Tick! Buy your crying towel now SnakeBoy, you're really going to need it in novemeber. Happy Mongering All. Toymann
[QUOTE=Dccpa; 424118]Edited to remove facts already covered by Toymann.
If there really was anything to this issue, BO would have the SEC all over MR's butt. The fact that nothing is going on with the SEC should tell you that there is nothing really there.
More interesting to me is why no one seems to be talking about BO protecting Corzine who took down MF Global. MF Global hired Attorney General Holder's close friend Reid Weingarten to defend Edith Obrien. Edith Obrien is the MF Global employee who can bury Corzine. So now you have the circle jerk defense for the lack of prosecution of Corzine and other MF Global executives.
We cannot prosecute Corzine for a lack of evidence. But we cannot get the evidence because the Justice Department refuses to give Obrien immunity from prosecution. Keep in mind that one of Obrien's emails regarding the illegal money transfers states that it was per JC's specific instructions. So Corzine, who is busy doing fundraiser's for BO, gets off from prosecution because the Justice Department refuses to provide immunity to an underling.
[url]http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-07-10/pfg-falls-return-mf-global-eric-holder-connection-and-how-keep-investigation-[/url][/QUOTE]Never in any of these posts have I suggested that anything that would be found in Mitt Romney's undisclosed tax returns is illegal. What I have been suggesting is that what will be revealed will be embarrassing and damaging to the Romney campaign. Sophisticated tax avoidance schemes (resulting in a 14% effective tax rate) , offshore accounts at notorious tax havens, and hedges / shorts against the USD will not be easily explained to the manager at Jiffy Lube in Ohio who pays out 20% of his gross in come in taxes or a teacher in florida paying out similar amounts.
[QUOTE=Toymann;424119]Glad to see you are now over the whole "when Romney left Bain smoke screen". Glad my lecture served to educate you. So now we're back to speculating about tax returns. IALOTFLMAO! These type of speculative rantings only ineterest the wild-ass liberal, occupy wallstreest, I hate america, types like yourself. Republicans, and most importantly most independents don't give a damn about this discussion. IT's ALL ABOUT JOBS AND THE ECONOMY DUDE! Nothing that Obomantion, his handlers or foolish liberal types like you can say will change that. Sadly today, the liberal party has just become so extreme that they fail to see whats going on around them. These days liberals like you and your kind are just "whistling past the cemetary". Tick Tick Tick! Buy your crying towel now SnakeBoy, you're really going to need it in novemeber. Happy Mongering All. Toymann[/QUOTE]It's all about jobs you say, interesting, as during the time that Romney was STILL the CEO, President, Chairman, and Sole Shareholder of Bain HIS firm was involved in bankrupting / liquidity companies for profit (and naturally firing all the employees) and consulting other firms on how to more efficiently outsource jobs to China and Mexico. The legal paperwork filed with the SEC says Romney was still LEGALLY at the helm at Bain during the period this sort of soulless corporate raiding was going on- that's the bottom line. I'm sure the unemployed factory worker in Pennsylvania is going to be thrilled to vote for a guy who specializes in laying people just like him off and keeps his money offshore.
[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424121]It's all about jobs you say, interesting, as during the time that Romney was STILL the CEO, President, Chairman, and Sole Shareholder of Bain HIS firm was involved in bankrupting / liquidity companies for profit (and naturally firing all the employees) and consulting other firms on how to more efficiently outsource jobs to China and Mexico. The legal paperwork filed with the SEC says Romney was still LEGALLY at the helm at Bain during the period this sort of soulless corporate raiding was going on- that's the bottom line. I'm sure the unemployed factory worker in Pennsylvania is going to be thrilled to vote for a guy who specializes in laying people just like him off and keeps his money offshore.[/QUOTE]Snake, I am not a fan of Republicans or Democrats. As I stated, my vote for MR is based upon the fact that he will delay the coming inevitable economic collapse years longer than BO.
My question to you is that you are saying that MR is good at tax avoidance and MR is good at creating value for shareholders. MR was effective as Governor of MA and he definitely turned around the Winter Olympics. So, MR has been shown to be very good at the jobs he has held. Isn't the very attribute you are condeming him for, effectiveness, the best reason to vote for him. MR is good at what he does.
BO's skill is in getting money from the government. Now BO is the government and he is still trying to get money out of the government. Problem is the government doesn't have any money and won't until a debt default or a currency collapse.
BO has had divided government with Congress and MR had democrats in MA. Democrats should retain the Senate and Republicans should retain the House. Do you think BO or MR would be more effective with a divided government? Look at their track records.
Obama is rapidly evolving from a likeable simpleton into a simpleton who is an a**hole.
Rush, Rush, Rush.
The Real Racist One.
What he said today, Incredible.
He had admitted that he was ON DRUGS in the past.
Come on Republicans Tell US What his and New Drug is?
Give It Up Toymann?
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 424133]Rush, Rush, Rush.
The Real Racist One.
What he said today, Incredible.
He had admitted that he was ON DRUGS in the past.
Come on Republicans Tell US What his and New Drug is?
Give It Up Toymann?[/QUOTE]I didn't know that Rush Limbaugh was running for president.
If he's not, then what the fuck does this have to do with the title of this thread "2012 Elections in the USA"?
Thanks,
Jackson
[QUOTE=Jackson; 424136]I didn't know that Rush Limbaugh was running for president.
If he's not, then what the fuck does this have to do with the title of this thread "2012 Elections in the USA"?
Thanks,
Jackson[/QUOTE]
Like any of Wt69's posts have made any sense. Kinda feel sorry for him. Uninformed and ignornant is no way to go through life WT69. Don't jump off the golden gate bridge in novemeber dude! Your union pension, social security and food stamps will at least keep you alive, for a while anyway. Your anger at america and republicans in general is just displaced anxiety related to your past union handlers. I am sure your ex-union bosses visit BA often and are living the good life. You'll never admit it but in your heart of hearts you know I am right. Monger on WT69 (if you can afford too). Toymann
ps. I grew up in a socialist country dude. I get it, have lived it, and have the T-shirt. At your age you really should have figured it out by now.. Stop howling at the moon old man, it is not very becoming!
[QUOTE=Toymann; 424137]Like any of Wt69's posts have made any sense. Kinda feel sorry for him. Uninformed and ignornant is no way to go through life WT69. Don't jump off the golden gate bridge in novemeber dude! Your union pension, social security and food stamps will at least keep you alive, for a while anyway. Your anger at america and republicans in general is just displaced anxiety related to your past union handlers. I am sure your ex-union bosses visit BA often and are living the good life. You'll never admit it but in your heart of hearts you know I am right. Monger on WT69 (if you can afford too). Toymann.
Ps. I grew up in a socialist country dude. I get it, have lived it, and have the T-shirt. At your age you really should have figured it out by now. Stop howling at the moon old man, it is not very becoming![/QUOTE]Jackson-
Is this the thread discussing the 2012 Election, or Toymann's personal thread for launching crude and unnecessary personal attacks against WorldTravel69 and others? Toymann obviously knows WT69 personally to be making the specific comments about WT69's personal financial situation and then taunting him about it. I am pretty sure the TOS of this site do not allow for personal attacks.
Toymann-
Back to the subject of this thread and learn to spell correctly while you are at it. Are you the Dan Quayle of this website?
[quote=Obama]If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.[/quote]In the past we were ask 'Are you better off than you were four years ago? '
This year Romney should ask 'can the country survive four more years of Obama? '