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[QUOTE=Toymann; 413254]It appears even Esten is starting to feel the wam breeze of change on the way. LOL. Tick! Tick! Tick! Happy Mongering All. Toymann.
P. Maybe he hasn't been so influencial as he might have thought, or maybe even MORE! LOL[/QUOTE]I volunteer!
I stand by my prediction of 52 Republican seats in the Senate (provided there isn't another Al Franken episode. Which BTW should piss off everyone despite political affiliation).
[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 413256]I volunteer!
I stand by my prediction of 52 republican seats in the senate (provided there isn't another Al Franken episode. Which BTW should piss off everyone despite political affiliation. [/QUOTE]Once I select my chica, we will tie Esten up, take him back to my apartment and make him watch! A perfect night with a wild-ass liberal IMHO! I may even untie him afterwards. LOL. Happy Mongering All. Toymann
p. I knew when he wanted to substitute a different bet he was feeling the inevitable was on the way!
[QUOTE=Schmoj;413242]Not everyone has the luxury of running on the "I'm not a witch / warlock" or the "Masturbation is bad" platform. That is reserved for the Teabag candidates.[/QUOTE]That's it? That's all you got?
Your answer to the fact that 98.4% of Democratic candidates are hiding from their party's signature achievement is to bemoan one Republican candidate's response to a Democratic attack ad?
Man, this is just so weak.
Thanks,
Jackson
[QUOTE=Jackson; 413265]That's it? That's all you got?
Your answer to the fact that 98.4% of Democratic candidates are hiding from their party's signature achievement is to bemoan one Republican candidate's response to a Democratic attack ad?
Man, this is just so weak.
Thanks,
Jackson[/QUOTE]Actually, you ASSume (emphasis on the ASS) that I am a democrat. I could give a flying fuck about either of the two major parties. For someone who claims to be a libertarian, you sure seem to spew the typical Republican, er I mean teaBAGGER mantras.
Is that all YOU'VE got?
[QUOTE=Schmoj; 413273]Actually, you ASSume (emphasis on the ASS) that I am a democrat. I could give a flying fuck about either of the two major parties. For someone who claims to be a libertarian, you sure seem to spew the typical Republican, er I mean teaBAGGER mantras.
Is that all YOU'VE got? [/QUOTE]Easy, easy, easy! You might get yellow carded.
Jackson - It's very simple how politicians go about determining their election year messages. They do something called [i]polling[/i] on what moves voters. And what is typically the case is that voters are moved by how their vote will influence the direction of the country going forward.
Dems ran on heath care reform back in 2008 because it was popular yet unrealized. Now it's passed. It is no longer a forward-looking event, so there are plenty of other things on the direction of the country that Dems are focusing on. Make no mistake though, the health care reform is indeed landmark legislation that represents a major step forward for the country. Of those who do not like it, some say it did not go far enough, while others are willing to give it a chance to work. It is a minority who favor repeal and replace. I'm looking forward to watching Repubs attempt repeal when Americans will want them focused on jobs and the economy.
BTW - Why are so few Republicans trying to sell voters on Republican leadership by how great the country did in the Bush years? I'm sure that number is less than 5. Talk about thin!
And why is Clinton out campaigning for Dems, but Bush isn't out for Repubs?
[QUOTE=Schmoj; 413273]Actually, you ASSume (emphasis on the ASS) that I am a democrat. I could give a flying fuck about either of the two major parties. For someone who claims to be a libertarian, you sure seem to spew the typical Republican, er I mean teaBAGGER mantras.
Is that all YOU'VE got? [/QUOTE]Scmmoj,
Actually, my post merely responded to your previous statement. I didn't say anything about you being a Democrat or me being a Libertarian, but I understand that no liberal, and I'm calling you a liberal now, would ever let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
Now, do you see how I made my point without calling you an asshole or referring to anyone's political party by using a sexual pejorative?
Thanks,
Jackson
[QUOTE=Esten;413277]BTW - Why are so few Republicans trying to sell voters on Republican leadership by how great the country did in the Bush years? I'm sure that number is less than 5. Talk about thin! ?[/QUOTE]News flash: George Bush isn't the President anymore.
Thanks,
Jackson
[QUOTE=Jackson; 413279]News flash: George Bush isn't the President anymore.
Thanks,
Jackson[/QUOTE]I think Republicans are hiding from their record under Bush. How a party has performed in the past is absolutely relevant.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;413245]Esten, you're a bright guy, don't tell me you actually believe the Tea Party is an actual political party and not a conservative movement more in tune to the GOP of 20 year ago. So your statement of the Tea Party getting votes on Nov 2nd is inane.[/QUOTE]You should ask Teamann that question!
[QUOTE=Toymann; 413257]Once I select my chica, we will tie Esten up, take him back to my apartment and make him watch! A perfect night with a wild-ass liberal IMHO! I may even untie him afterwards. LOL. Happy Mongering All. Toymann.
P. I knew when he wanted to substitute a different bet he was feeling the inevitable was on the way! [/QUOTE]With every passing day, I am beginning to realize what a mistake I made and how I underestimated the American people. Bwahahahhahhahha!
Actually the new bet had nothing to do with my confidence level on the original standing bet. In fact I offered to let it be an additional bet if you wanted. What prompted me to even think of a second bet was when you posted that the Tea Party might get 3 seats in the Senate.
If you win and make me watch, you better hope she is a good one. I will sit there laughing my ass off if she is on the rag, gives a 1-minute CBJ and wants you to hurry up and finish!
PS. I won't call you Teamann if you don't like it. You must admit it's a good fit though.
[QUOTE=Esten; 413281]
If you win and make me watch, you better hope she is a good one. I will sit there laughing my ass off if she is on the rag, gives a 1-minute CBJ and wants you to hurry up and finish!
PS. I won't call you Teamann if you don't like it. You must admit it's a good fit though. [/QUOTE]You forget I live in Montana. Not much religion and plenty of masterbastion! Call me whatever you want. As a Republican I have a great sense of humor. As far as the Madahos chica goes, it will be a good one. COUNT ON IT! Expect a great show! Tick! Tick! Tick!
Happy Mongering All. Toymann
[QUOTE=Esten;413280]How a party has performed in the past is absolutely relevant.[/QUOTE]Yes, and how the Democrats performed in the immediate past will be the most relevant issue on Nov 2nd.
[QUOTE=Esten; 413277]Jackson. It's very simple how politicians go about determining their election year messages. They do something called [i]polling[/i] on what moves voters.[/quote]That is because they are by and large unprincipled wh*s (and not the good kind) . Men and women of character run on what is right not what is politically expedient. The fact that the legislature has become a road to riches (paved over the Constitution) is at the root of the problem (Harry Reid, anyone. Most in the legislature are there to serve themselves and act according to what will further entrench them in the power and money they so badly desire. The framers didn't envision a professional ruling class, quite the contrary, they intended for the legislature to be a part-time, public service provided by individuals who made their livings doing something else, when not politicking.
[quote=]And what is typically the case is that voters are moved by how their vote will influence the direction of the country going forward.[/quote]Most voters, vote their gut (most often that gut is in their back pocket or purse. Wallet for those liberal who couldn't follow the nuances) . That gut could be party ticket come hell or high water (both parties have these voters, they are called the bases) or it could be more issue-oriented.
Unprincipled politicians play to constituents' selfish interests (what is going to help or hurt me personally? ) rather than altruistic interests (what is better / worse for the country) and personal self interests (which are decidedly different from selfish interests.
[quote=]Dems ran on heath care reform back in 2008 because it was popular yet unrealized. Now it's passed. It is no longer a forward-looking event, so there are plenty of other things on the direction of the country that Dems are focusing on.[/quote]So they are so consumed with the good of the nation, they are not going to run on their successes? Who are you? Bob Shrum?
Dems may have run on health care during the campaign but they ran headstrong against the wishes of a plurality of the American public when they ramrodded the legislation through, without a care for the Constitution or the good of the people.
[quote=]Make no mistake though, the health care reform is indeed landmark legislation that represents a major step forward for the country. [/quote]If you actually believe this, you are part of a very small minority, one that will soon be swept from office.
[quote=]Of those who do not like it, some say it did not go far enough, while others are willing to give it a chance to work. It is a minority who favor repeal and replace.[/quote]As the Dems may have run on health care in 2008, the coming legislative, mid-term elections are a national referendum on repealing Obamacare. This is a unique moment when it is the American people running against the Democrats who screwed them on Obamacare, the bailouts and who have prolonged this recession for party and ideological purposes, non of which help to put food on the table or pay the mortgage.
It is odd that while we were promised decreased health care costs, all of the articles that I am seeing are that Obamagare is accelerating the increase of health care costs. This helps to bring real-world-light to the lie that Obamacare is. Maybe that is why so few Democrats are running on this historic legislation. Obamacare, after its repeal, will be seen as a "landmark" in the same way that Pearl Harbor and Iwo Jima are landmarks in US history, they represent tragedies symbolic of great personal suffering and loss from which America emerged stronger and more determined.
We'll see where the majority resides in two weeks.
[quote=] I'm looking forward to watching Repubs attempt repeal when Americans will want them focused on jobs and the economy.[/quote]We will see if they will stand by their principles by how they act and vote. If they do not act as they are now saying that they will, they too should be removed from office.
[quote=]BTW - Why are so few Republicans trying to sell voters on Republican leadership by how great the country did in the Bush years?[/quote]Because during the Bush years there is scant little evidence of Republican's acting and voting as conservatives. Fiscal, legislative and judicial conservatism (as in less govt, more personal responsibility) is what the country desires. The masses are finally seeing that the scare tactics of the left about social conservatism is a canard (less govt intrusion in your private life means more personal freedom, not less. Let's hope it is what they get.
[quote=]And why is Clinton out campaigning for Dems, but Bush isn't out for Repubs?[/QUOTE]You may be too young to remember but there was a time when former presidents retired into obscurity out of respect for the office, the country and their successors. Ford, Reagan, GHW Bush and GW Bush (like them or not) are class individuals who continued and continue this practice, despite what I am sure is a very strong urge to occasionally set the record straight.
This is all you really need to know to understand Esten or, for that matter, any liberal:
[QUOTE=Esten; 413277]Dems ran on heath care reform back in 2008 because it was popular yet unrealized. Now it's passed. It is no longer a forward-looking event, so there are plenty of other things on the direction of the country that Dems are focusing on. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Esten;413280]I think Republicans are hiding from their record under Bush. How a party has performed in the past is absolutely relevant.[/QUOTE]In other words, Democrats' past transgressions are not relevant; only Republicans' are. My party can say or do anything it wants and should not be held accountable [i]going forward[/i]. But, what the other party did "in the past is absolutely relevant" now.
Unfortunately for Dems and liberals, the voters won't be so easily fooled by this sort of double-speak this time around. Democrats have been trying to come up with a cogent message for months now without success.
Here's the message they need to hear: It's about you, stupid.
Two weeks from now, they'll get the message. Unfortunately, there's little doubt they'll misinterpret it.
"Nobody tell Obama what number comes after a trillion"
Pretty funny. Probably something Johnny Carson would have said if he were still with us.
I am sort of beginning to like this guy Obama. Gracias a Obama we may experience a free fall in the value of the dollar which would rival a roller coaster ride - for free.