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[QUOTE=El Alamo; 413296]"Nobody tell Obama what number comes after a trillion"
Pretty funny. Probably something Johnny Carson would have said if he were still with us.
I am sort of beginning to like this guy Obama. Gracias a Obama we may experience a free fall in the value of the dollar which would rival a roller coaster ride. For free. [/QUOTE]During the campaign as "reset. "
[QUOTE=Stan Da Man;413292]In other words, Democrats' past transgressions are not relevant; only Republicans' are. My party can say or do anything it wants and should not be held accountable [i]going forward[/i]. But, what the other party did "in the past is absolutely relevant" now.[/QUOTE]Stan it is clear to everyone you have a huge chip on your shoulder about Democrats.
Your statement above is your own creation and nothing more. And it isn't even logical.
Jackson asked why health care reform wasn't a midterm campaign focus for Dems. I provided an answer. Nowhere in what I wrote did I say or imply Repubs weren't entitled to campaign against the Dems health care reform. You are just indulging in willful distortion.
Both parties have the equal right to campaign on their past record, their opponent's past record, their future vision and their opponent's future vision.
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My CockSucker Friend like's post's identified before the link is validated, its link to the B. A. Herald[/QUOTE]Jackson,
This new program is amazing, its self editing
I was just scaning the polls and Rasmussin has O'Donnel at only 11 points behind in DE. Considering she was nearly 20 points down last week, she seems to be gaining ground. With Halloween comming up just before the election, who knows DE may be in the Pot for the Republicians after all!
[QUOTE=Esten;413308]Jackson asked why health care reform wasn't a midterm campaign focus for Dems. I provided an answer. Nowhere in what I wrote did I say or imply Repubs weren't entitled to campaign against the Dems health care reform. You are just indulging in willful distortion.[/QUOTE]No willful distortion here. You need to look in the mirror to find that. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy, and using your own words to do it.
Jackson posted that, if ObamaCare was such a monumental achievement, Democrats wouldn't be running away from the issue. You claimed, lamely, that it wasn't relevant because it was in the past, and Democrats were only focusing on forward-looking events. They aren't running away from their sponsorship of ObamaCare, you claimed, but were only focusing on going-forward issues. Then, about two posts later, you claimed that what a Republican President has done in the past was "absolutely relevant" to this campaign, and Republicans were hiding from this.
Your hypocrisy is plain for all to see. I just linked it together. You can't wish it away, just like your Democratic brethren can't wish away their support of ObamaCare.
And, your point about Republicans running from Bush's record is absolutely false. They're running right at it. That's much of what the tea party is about. Taking back the party from free spending Republicans. That's one big difference between Republicans and Democrats this term. Most Democrats are trying to sweep the past under the rug by ignoring their support of ObamaCare. Don't talk about it and maybe the voters won't notice. The Republicans, by contrast, had what is akin to a civil war within the party. They absolutely faced up to the fact that they were complicit with the misguided spending while Bush was President, even though Democrats controlled Congress (the purse strings) for Bush's second term. But, despite media hopes and predictions that it would split the party, they are emerging stronger for it.
I make no predictions whether a Republican controlled House. Which is inevitable at this point. Will be able to significantly cut spending. But, it is quite obvious that a Republic-controlled House will not waste the trillions that Democrats have wasted while they were in control, will not spend anywhere near what a Democrat-controlled House would have, and will not permit to pass the sort of misguided legislation that Nancy Pelosi allowed, and that her colleagues are now running from. That's "Change" enough for me. Rome wasn't built in a day.
As far as having a chip on my shoulder about Democrats, I do. The current crop in the House and Senate are largely a bunch of liars. Populists who will say and do nearly anything to get votes. I have the same contempt for many Republicans currently in office, including John Boehner who will be Speaker next term. These Republicans are still politicians. And so, not to be trusted with your wallet. They're just not as hypocritical as Democrats.
Stan I have to differ with your regarding the Tea Party and Bush era Republicans. I believe they identify more with the Reagan "Big Tent" Republicans of yesteryear
[QUOTE=Stan Da Man;413325]No willful distortion here. You need to look in the mirror to find that. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy, and using your own words to do it.[/QUOTE]Nah... you continue to spin.
I explained that Dems were focused on forward-looking events because their polling has likely shown that is what will move voters the most. The popularity of health care reform is split no doubt, but even if it were broadly popular that would still not make it a winning campaign message right now. Voters are most concerned about jobs, the economy and the direction of the country.
How a party has done in the past is always relevant, and worthy of being used in campaigns. As is a party's future vision. But what ends up being used in a campaign is determined by polling.
If the polls say that this election most folks are concerned about jobs and the economy, why would Dems focus on health care?
However, if someone wants to frame it that Dems are hiding from something, I can do the same for Repubs.
BTW, in contrast to Republican dismay of the Bush years, Dems who voted for the PPACA are proud of it. Then why don't they run on it? Because voters are more concerned about other things right now, see above. Feel free to look that up if you like. And this is the same reason Americans will have little patience with House Republicans wasting time on repeal.
Your comment on populists is also interesting. I think most agree that health care reform was a tough slog for Dems. They persisted not because of their arrogance, but because they believed it was important and that they were elected to do it. Not unlike Tea Partiers who stand up for their beliefs, which I respect. Though present, there is more than just populism in politics.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;413316]I was just scaning the polls and Rasmussin has O'Donnel at only 11 points behind in DE. Considering she was nearly 20 points down last week, she seems to be gaining ground. With Halloween comming up just before the election, who knows DE may be int he Pot for the Republicians after all![/QUOTE]Rasmussin, bwahahahahaha!
But to your point, I agree. O'Donnell's demonstration of her deep understanding of the Constitution could close the gap.
[QUOTE=Esten; 413330]Rasmussin, bwahahahahaha!
But to your point, I agree. O'Donnell's demonstration of her deep understanding of the Constitution could close the gap. [/QUOTE]You were about to expose your ignorance of the Constitution. By all means, please elaborate.
[QUOTE=Exon123; 413310]Jackson,
This new program is amazing, its self editing[/QUOTE]Exon,
It only edits your posts.
Everybody else already knows how to write.
Thanks,
Jackson
[QUOTE=Esten;413329]Voters are most concerned about jobs, the economy and the direction of the country.[/QUOTE]Esten,
The voters were worried about "[I]jobs, the economy and the direction of the country[/I]" two years ago, and in the interim the Democrats failed miserably to deliver on these concerns because they were single-mindedly focused on accomplishing their long-held philosophical goal of taking over and destroying the world's most advanced private health care system.
Now do you see how it's all connected?
Thanks,
Jackson
Esten, Mongers, et al-
I am generally anti-Republican but the Rush Limbaugh Fox News Robots who drivel all over this thread are right about one thing: the health care bill, "ObamaCare" as you will, is an absolute disgrace. Trillions of soon to be as worthless as toilet paper dollars will be spent trying to implement an ineffective bill so long winded and convoluted that the congressmen who voted for it did not even bother to read it in its entirety. The only thing of any worth in the bill is the banning of exclusion of insurance customers on the basis of pre-existing conditions. That fix should have been made into law on its own without the filth that came along with it. The US needs a taxpayer funded public option of minimum quality healthcare available to all that operates parallel to the existing private system for those who choose to utilize it (like NHS v. Private practice in the UK, Public Hospitals v. Swiss Medical, etc in AR, Public Hospitals v. Albert Einstein, etc in Brasil. The doctors working in this public system would earn a public sector salary and would receive a free medical schooling at a public university in exchange for working in the public system on a public sector wage for a determined number of years. Almost like military academies for doctors.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
[QUOTE=Rock Harders; 413334]Esten, Mongers, et al-
I am generally anti-Republican but the Rush Limbaugh Fox News Robots who drivel all over this thread are right about one thing: the health care bill, "ObamaCare" as you will, is an absolute disgrace. Trillions of soon to be as worthless as toilet paper dollars will be spent trying to implement an ineffective bill so long winded and convoluted that the congressmen who voted for it did not even bother to read it in its entirety. The only thing of any worth in the bill is the banning of exclusion of insurance customers on the basis of pre-existing conditions. That fix should have been made into law on its own without the filth that came along with it. The US needs a taxpayer funded public option of minimum quality healthcare available to all that operates parallel to the existing private system for those who choose to utilize it (like NHS v. Private practice in the UK, Public Hospitals v. Swiss Medical, etc in AR, Public Hospitals v. Albert Einstein, etc in Brasil. The doctors working in this public system would earn a public sector salary and would receive a free medical schooling at a public university in exchange for working in the public system on a public sector wage for a determined number of years. Almost like military academies for doctors.
Suerte,
Rock Harders[/QUOTE]Was back in in LA for a month recently, alot of closed storefronts and restaurents were real slow. The Korean spa that I frequent reduced it's rates. Could not wait to get out of town even it was nice to see family, friends and colleagues. Pretty depressing, and the word that pop into my mind to describe America today is dysfunctional. The Health Care Bill was a result of both parents fighting and spending a fortune for custody, and in the process, both the victor and vanquished came out of the process, bankrupt and bitter. As for the child, you can only guess, he was the sideshow
So no use pointing fingers, and pretending your way is only the way to save America. Bickering partinsanship is going to drag us down to our knees. Neither party can bring us back to the days when we could hitchike across the country without fear of disappearing from the face of the earth. And once upon a time, there was something called civility, a striving for the common good. Most on the Board, sadly, does not know what that means.
[QUOTE=Black Shirt;413340]And once upon a time, there was something called civility, a striving for the common good. Most on the Board, sadly, does not know what that means.[/QUOTE]Black Shirt,
I take exception to your statement. All things considered, I think the political discussions here are relatively civilized.
Of course, from some liberal's perspective, any venue that permits conservatives and libertarians to have an equal voice is [I]de facto[/I] "uncivil".
Thanks,
Jackson