American Politics during the Obama Presidency

Stan, Dopey,

Posting with a frenzy trying to put a slant on most issues, it seems like you guys have allow Esten to get to you. Now, I know how Custer must have felt with the arrrows coming his way.

But I know you guys are having fun.

Hey Black Shirt or should I shorten that to BS, seems you are unable to type doppelganger or have now included me in the 7 dwarves, if so can you direct me to that hot dark haired babe Snow White?

BTW - check out Juan Williams response to his termination. WTF - Guess Juan is plugging to slant it it too?

[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 413381]Stan, Dopey,

Posting with a frenzy trying to put a slant on most issues, it seems like you guys have allow Esten to get to you. Now, I know how Custer must have felt with the arrrows coming his way.

But I know you guys are having fun. [/QUOTE]I usually ignore Esten but every once in a while a poke is in order. He's an easy target; leads with his chin. But, I usually don't do it much. There's not much sport in it.

I did see Juan Williams' response to his firing. He's going right after NPR, and well he should. This is unlike the Rick Sanchez firing. He was fired by CNN (another left-leaning media outlet) but under much different circumstances, and he almost immediately admitted that he bore the responsibility. He did. Williams doesn't.

But, now NPR has responded to Williams. Listen to this lame response: "NPR CEO Vivian Schiller told the network's David Folkenflik earlier today, though, that "our reporters, our hosts and our news analysts should not be injecting their own views about a controversial issue as part of their story. They should be reporting the story. "

Really? Has she ever listened to NPR? Has Daniel Schorr or ever done a single piece that was anything other than left-wing drivel? How about Nina Totenberg, who masks as an even-handed Supreme Court reporter? Or Cokie Roberts while she was there? For that matter, have they ever listened to Juan Williams while on NPR? These folks give nothing but opinion masquerading as fact. I've got no problem with it when they label it as "opinion, " but NPR never does so with the above cast.

They've known that Juan Williams was being paid by Fox to give his left-leaning opinion for a long, long time. Only now do they get around to firing him? Ms. Schiller's only digging the grave deeper. She should follow the Dems' strategy on ObamaCare: Whistle past the graveyard and you can distract yourself from all the bad that's about the happen.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 413382]Hey Black Shirt or should I shorten that to BS, seems you are unable to type doppelganger or have now included me in the 7 dwarves, if so can you direct me to that hot dark haired babe Snow White?

BTW. Check out Juan Williams response to his termination. WTF. Guess Juan is plugging to slant it it too? [/QUOTE]Doppelganger,

Unintentional, not even thinking about the 7 dwarves. In my younger days, I was often refer as to Shit Head due to my initials then. I know you have already done Snow White, how about Wonder Women!

Have watch Juan for a long time, he always seem beseiged at Fox, but at least, they let him off the hook most of the time. Still, a tough way to make a living.

Yes some on the left are using the name ObamaCare, but [i]everyone[/i] on the right is using it. If you use ObamaCare in your search field, you won't see the articles which are discussing the ACA / PPACA by using its correct name. Which tend to be the most reasoned and accurate, including articles from healthcare professionals. Leaving out these articles slants your information to the other side, which is predominated by detractors.

Get it?

[QUOTE=Stan Da Man;413370]This is the guy who also claims to have been privy to Democrats' polling data, which he contends told them that Obamacare was no longer a big issue for their constituents, so they could safely ignore it. Since he claims everything he disagrees with here is "spinning, " it's better to use his own words to hang him:[/QUOTE]I can barely make this post because I am laughing too much! But I'll try. The poking is far too easy with you Stan.

I never claimed I was privy to Dem's polling data. I also never claimed everything I disagree with here is spin. Pardon me a moment while I LMAOROTFL! Readers here can judge for themselves whether your statements are lies or spin.

You really hung me with my own words! I am dead serious, I have to stop typing as I write this, it is too laughable.

[QUOTE]Right. Unless Dems were using the Daily KOS pollsters, there's no way that's a viable argument. Any credible poll indicates that voters are still keenly interested in Obamacare, and most are mad about it. Even left-leaning outfits like Kaiser show this. [url]http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/more-bad-news-obamacare_509181.html[/url] That's the real reason Dems are running away from it, or touting their opposition where possible. They screwed up if they voted for it, so they ignore it, and they can score points if they voted against it, or support repeal, so they tout those issues.[/QUOTE]Your weeklystandard link is all about what people think of the ACA, and doesn't quantify how it ranks vs. other issues. Here's some help below. Case closed my friend, your research is pathetic. Thanks for the laughs.

[url]http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm[/url]

Most important issue / problem facing the country:

Bloomberg National Poll conducted by Selzer & Co. Oct.7-10,2010. N=721 likely voters nationwide.
Unemployment, jobs 49%
Federal deficit, spending 27%
Health care 10%
War in Afghanistan 7%
Immigration 5%
Other (vol) 1%
Unsure 1%

CBS News Poll. Oct.1-5,2010. N=1,129 adults nationwide.
Economy / Jobs 54%
Health care 7%
Budget deficit / National debt 3%
Immigration 3%
Education 2%
Moral values / Family values 2%
The President / Barack Obama 2%
Other 22%
Unsure 5%

CNN / Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Sept.21-23,2010. N=1,010 adults nationwide.
The economy 49%
The federal budget deficit 11%
Education 10%
Health care 9%
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan 9%
Illegal immigration 6%
Terrorism 3%
Energy and environmental policies 1%
Other (vol) 1%
Unsure 1%

Hey Black Shirt, no problem. I don't even want to go there as far as what I've been called. That was really true in 71' when I got back to the States.

Keep posting brother and monger on dude!

[QUOTE=Esten;413387]...is all about what people think of the ACA, and doesn't quantify how it ranks vs. other issues. Here's some help below. Case closed my friend, your research is pathetic. Thanks for the laughs.[/quote]That settles it then, just like anthropogenic global warming will kill us all.

Esten, you posted links to polling data, which is interesting. However, actual research and analysis of your polling data backs up what Blackshirt. Since polls are created to generate specific results, you have to do a little interpretation to figure out what they mean. These polls treat the issues as stand-alone items, to be ranked in personal priority. They don't come close to giving one an insight into how close behind one concern may be to another.

I think we can all agree that the number one issue to Americans, is unemployment.

Obamacare (you can call it whatever you like) is a job-killing, $10T albatros slung around America's neck by Democrats in the ruling class. Add to that the other forms of risk this congress and president have heaped on the economy and you can see why jobs are still disappearing. The severity and length of this recession have been exacerbated by the policies of the left, the largest of which, so far, has been Obamacare. There is a very tight correlation between the two issues.

I am pretty sure that I am not the only one who has figured this out. I suspect that some of the other folks that have figured it out have something important to do a week from next Tuesday.

Hugs and Kisses,

WW.

[quote][url]http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm[/url]

Most important issue / problem facing the country:

Bloomberg National Poll conducted by Selzer & Co. Oct.7-10,2010. And=721 likely voters nationwide.

Unemployment, jobs 49%
Federal deficit, spending 27%
Health care 10%
War in Afghanistan 7%
Immigration 5%
Other (vol) 1%
Unsure 1%

CBS News Poll. Oct.1-5,2010. And=1,129 adults nationwide.

Economy / Jobs 54%
Health care 7%
Budget deficit / National debt 3%
Immigration 3%
Education 2%
Moral values / Family values 2%
The President / Barack Obama 2%
Other 22%
Unsure 5%

CNN / Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Sept.21-23,2010. And=1,010 adults nationwide.

The economy 49%
The federal budget deficit 11%
Education 10%
Health care 9%
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan 9%
Illegal immigration 6%
Terrorism 3%
Energy and environmental policies 1%
Other (vol) 1%
Unsure 1%[/QUOTE]

He's just a serial liar. Essentially, all he's said is that there are other issues folks are more concerned about, but his data does not show that health care is a minor issue. It's not hard to find evidence that he's wrong. Here's a sample from today's polling results. The boldfacing is mine:

[quote]Overall, Americans remain divided about the changes. Among likely voters, 52 percent oppose the legislation, compared with 41 percent who said they support it. Strong opponents outnumber strong supporters by 2-to-1.

[b]Healthcare remained among the top issues for Americans in the poll, ahead of concerns about terrorism. [/b] But Democrats are losing their edge when it comes to whom the public trusts as stewards of the healthcare system. Among likely voters, there was essentially no difference, with 46 percent saying they trust Obama and the Democrats, and 47 percent saying they trust Republicans.[/quote][url]http://www.moneynews.com/Economy/US-AP-Poll-Health/2010/10/22/id/374568[/url]

This poll was just released this morning. Why are they wasting time on this issue if, as Esten says, it's insignificant? The answer is obvious. The pollsters are now lying, too. Get it?

More evidence today that the media's reading AP to get their ideas on what to cover.

Esten says that ObamaCare is not important to voters. Bingo! AP goes out and does a poll to instantly prove him wrong. (Linked in previous post.)

Now this: I said yesterday that NPR should be looking in the mirror at its staff, like Nina Totenberg, if it claims they aren't entitled to express their opinions. Bingo! Someone at the Weekly Standard is blogging about it today. Snip below:

[quote]On Thursday, however, Schiller revised her position on Williams's termination. According to the Associated Press, Schiller told the Atlanta Press Club that it wasn't the O'Reilly interview that led to his dismissal but the fact that he expressed his 'controversial' opinions at all. Doing so, she said, is prohibited by longstanding NPR standards. The AP reports:

[i]Schiller said Williams' firing is not a reflection of his comments (on Fox News Channel) that he gets nervous when he sees people in Muslim garb on an airplane. She said she has no problem with people taking controversial positions, but that such opinions should not come from NPR reporters or news analysts. [/i][/quote]If that's true, NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg might want to start looking for a new job. Over the past month, in her regular appearances on 'Inside Washington, ' she has: criticized a ruling of the Roberts Court as scandalous; claimed that Michelle Obama gives people 'warm and fuzzy' feelings; called Bill Clinton 'the most gifted politician I've ever seen; ' and lamented that the Democratic Party is diverse enough to include moderates that want to extend all Bush tax cuts. "

[url]http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nina-totenberg-next_511512.html[/url]

Obviously, the "media" and the pollsters are getting their ideas directly from this thread.

This disclaimer is for Esten: That last sentence is written in jest, a form of humor. Note the winkie thing in the subject line. But you can go ahead and characterize it as "spin" if you want to.

Doppleganger:

Here's a map showing likely outcome. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/2010_elections_senate_map_no_toss_ups.html

The House is a given at this point. The Senate's always been a long shot. The map shows 51-49 Dems. You need to pick off two of the races currently slated for Dems right now, and not lose any of those showing Republican.

The most likely candidates for GOP pick-up are CA, WA and WV. Frankly, I'd be surprised if Fiorina wins California given the politics in this state and the trend for the governor's race. WV is a real wild card as there is virtually no reliable polling data. It's Sen. Byrd's former seat. For decades, this seat was never in question. Now, it's anyone's guess.

You also would need to not lose NV and IL, both of which are really close right now. The map shows them in the GOP column, but NV in particular easily could go either way. There are a couple of others that are pretty tight, as well, such as PA, CO and KY, all of which are in the tentative GOP column. But, most legitimate polls put those states in the GOP camp. Democrat and newspaper polls (essentially the same thing) have them closer, but partisan polls generally can be discarded.

We should start to see the last-minute sneak attacks by both sides this week, probably starting Wednesday or Thursday. I was surprised that Gerry Brown played his card so early, but with Gloria Alred involved, it's likely she just couldn't help herself. The fact that Gerry Brown is in the lead in California speaks volumes about that state's inability to solve its problems. Unions are completely entrenched, and they'll drive the state over the cliff soon.

My prediction: 52 (_D_) vs.48 (_R_) in the Senate. That still would be a huge swing. And, at the end of the day, gridlock beats the alternative we've experienced over the past 2 years.

[QUOTE=Stan the Man; 413432]Doppleganger:

Here's a map showing likely outcome. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/2010_elections_senate_map_no_toss_ups.html

The House is a given at this point. The Senate's always been a long shot. The map shows 51-49 Dems. You need to pick off two of the races currently slated for Dems right now, and not lose any of those showing Republican.

The most likely candidates for GOP pick-up are CA, WA and WV. Frankly, I'd be surprised if Fiorina wins California given the politics in this state and the trend for the governor's race. WV is a real wild card as there is virtually no reliable polling data. It's Sen. Byrd's former seat. For decades, this seat was never in question. Now, it's anyone's guess.

You also would need to not lose NV and IL, both of which are really close right now. The map shows them in the GOP column, but NV in particular easily could go either way. There are a couple of others that are pretty tight, as well, such as PA, CO and KY, all of which are in the tentative GOP column. But, most legitimate polls put those states in the GOP camp. Democrat and newspaper polls (essentially the same thing) have them closer, but partisan polls generally can be discarded.

We should start to see the last-minute sneak attacks by both sides this week, probably starting Wednesday or Thursday. I was surprised that Gerry Brown played his card so early, but with Gloria Alred involved, it's likely she just couldn't help herself. The fact that Gerry Brown is in the lead in California speaks volumes about that state's inability to solve its problems. Unions are completely entrenched, and they'll drive the state over the cliff soon.

My prediction: 52 (_D_) vs.48 (_R_) in the Senate. That still would be a huge swing. And, at the end of the day, gridlock beats the alternative we've experienced over the past 2 years. [/QUOTE]I believe that the polls are not counting certain portions of the folks that will be going to the polls. This under counting could be 2-5.

I stand by GOP wins of both house (70-100 seats) and senate (52:48 GOP controlled)

The key of course will be turn out. Hopefully all of those energized would-be-voters will actually get off their asses and vote.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 413434]I believe that the polls are not counting certain portions of the folks that will be going to the polls. This under counting could be 2-5.

I stand by GOP wins of both house (70-100 seats) and senate (52:48 GOP controlled)

The key of course will be turn out. Hopefully all of those energized would-be-voters will actually get off their asses and vote. [/QUOTE]I hope you're right. I've been wrong before, and I hope to be this time, but 51 would be pretty tough.52 would be a message beyond what optimistic Republicans hope for at this point.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. There's still plenty of time for the October surprises that are bound to start soon. Conventional wisdom has it that this material gets released late in the week to prevent your opponent from having time to respond until after the week's news cycle is complete. But, absentee voting changes that dynamic a bit, and October surprises are more commonly a Democrat tactic. We'll see in a week.

Here's a sample of why I personally believe Democrat politicians are liars. This from Obama on the campaign trail today:

[i]He said Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, "we can't have special interests sitting shotgun. We got to have middle class families up in front. We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they got to sit in back. "[/i]

The facts are so diametrically opposed to this, especially on his claims that Republicans represent special interests. I hadn't realized that we were out of the ditch, but if Democrats think that 9.6% unemployment and anemic growth is a progress, then I guess that explains why they're doing so well this season.

And, on special interest funding, this is the guy that pledged not to take special interest money in the presidential campaign, and even signed documentation to that effect, then promptly violated that pledge during the campaign. He's the guy that refused to disclose the source of his campaign funds during the campaign, and re-jiggered his website to evade reporting on money he took in from foreign sources. Now, even Tina Brown's publication, which is still in Obama's hip pocket, is calling him on his lies. It is the Democrats who are beholden to special interests, namely, government unions who take their member contributions by force and give them to Democrats so that we can have. . . . More money for government unions. http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-10-24/unions-the-real-big-money-culprits-this-election-season/

Fortunately, at this point, Obama just sounds like a bleating sheep. His rhetoric is tired, worn and old, yet he keeps droning on just the same.

Make sure Mitch McConnell's quote today gets covered far and wide in the media tomorrow, and all week.

And memo to DNC: Get a commercial with this quote on the air ASAP!

I was predicting 51 Democrat Senate seats, but with McConnell's quote today we may see 52.

[QUOTE=Esten; 413440]Make sure Mitch McConnell's quote today gets covered far and wide in the media tomorrow, and all week.

And memo to DNC: Get a commercial with this quote on the air ASAP!

I was predicting 51 Democrat Senate seats, but with McConnell's quote today we may see 52. [/QUOTE]If my GOP boys get to 50 I'm in the money at madahos! Fear not Esten, I am actually predicting 51-49 for my team. Boxer looks like she is history after Obomanation was done in California. Happy Mongering All. Toymann