American Politics during the Obama Presidency

No one has proposed a water pipe line. I said I asked my local politician and said no one would do it because there is no money to be made from it.

And if our President wanted one, the do nothing Republican Congress would vote against it, even though it is for the People.

It has nothing to do with nuking anything. No Rain, No Water.

Yes, Monsanto is killing us with their chemicals in our food. And the Republicans support that; Big Business that is.

Did you not watch the video of fish farming in Thailand?

[QUOTE=Tiny12;444356]People shouldn't be forced to vote if they don't want to. If I don't know or care who the best candidate is for an office, I often don't vote. Better to leave the choice up to those who are informed and care.

So why do you think no one will build a water pipeline? What right wingers are working against that? If you want to increase the clean water supply in northern California, where you live, nuke some of the nutty environmental regulations, like the one protecting the delta smelt. Ending that one alone would get you another million acre feet a year of usable water.

We've debated the oil pipeline again and again, and, respectfully, you're dead wrong. The increase in worldwide carbon emissions, if any, from the Keystone pipeline would be insignificant. It's safer and cheaper transporting oil from Canada and North Dakota by pipeline than by train. We're encouraging the Canadians to build pipelines to their west coast, for export to China, and to eastern Canada. This would be negative both for our energy security and jobs. You don't think we should get involved in Middle East wars, right? Well why don't you understand that having an additional 700,000 barrels a day of production from Canada shipped to USA Gulf Coast refineries makes us less likely to send young men to die in places like Iraq?

As to the fish from Thailand, there are antibiotics in chicken and beef produced in the USA. The latest studies indicate that people who eat vegetarian diets with fish are healthier than strict vegetarians or meat eaters. We're better off having affordable shrimp and tuna packaged in Thailand than not having it. It's better for peoples' health and better for their pocket books.

Thanks,

Sentinel Tiny.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;444369]No one has proposed a water pipe line. I said I asked my local politician and said no one would do it because there is no money to be made from it.

And if our President wanted one, the do nothing Republican Congress would vote against it, even though it is for the People.

It has nothing to do with nuking anything. No Rain, No Water.

Yes, Monsanto is killing us with their chemicals in our food. And the Republicans support that; Big Business that is.

Did you not watch the video of fish farming in Thailand?[/QUOTE]When it is water being transported they call them canals. They are everywhere.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;444369]No one has proposed a water pipe line. I said I asked my local politician and said no one would do it because there is no money to be made from it.

And if our President wanted one, the do nothing Republican Congress would vote against it, even though it is for the People.

It has nothing to do with nuking anything. No Rain, No Water.

Yes, Monsanto is killing us with their chemicals in our food. And the Republicans support that; Big Business that is.

Did you not watch the video of fish farming in Thailand?[/QUOTE]"No one has proposed a water pipeline....but if our President wanted one, the do nothing Republican Congress would vote against it, even though it is for the People.".

That makes a lot of sense WT69. If the President wants something no one else would propose, it's the job of the legislative branch to approve it. However, you're not alone. That's typical of the blind acceptance you see among many Obama supporters.

Your video was about catfish from Vietnam. If you had complained about Vietnam I would have agreed with you. However if you commie pinkos think you're going to take large, plump succulent Thai shrimp off my plate and replace them with scrawny, grainy Gulf shrimp that cost 5 times more, well then, fuck you.

Seriously, joking aside, I may stop eating catfish in restaurants after looking at your video, and do understand there are problems with the quantities of drugs and chemicals used in Vietnamese fish farming. I'm very comfortable with seafood from Thailand. Thai aquaculture and processors meet European standards, which are more strict than ours. About your Monsanto comment, my argument would be the same as for seafood. Eat genetically modified apples that were grown with fertilizers and pesticides, instead of french fries and Cheetos, and you're going to be much better off.

[QUOTE=RevBS;444365]When Obama won his second term, that is what came out of the AP Glee Club, that it did not mean shit!
The Presidency did not mean shit.[/QUOTE]First you claimed I said it, now you say the "AP Glee Club" said it, I don't think anybody said it, I think you just made that crapola up. (forked tongue? Selective memory?).

BTW just what is the "AP Glee Club" is it akin to [I]"the attack dogs, that at first sniff, they go crazy...You have your rabies shot yet?" No spewing invectives from Rev BS right?[/I] That's just a small sample of some of your vituperative comments...the list goes on.

[QUOTE]Angry over all this? You have always been the one spewing invectives. For sure, you will deny this. More times then not, we have always turn the other cheek. Just remember, anger is never productive. It just make you ugly.[/QUOTE]You have repeatedly tried to label me as angry, but it's not true, put simply you don't have enough on the ball to make me angry. I do get a little frustrated with stupidity from time to time.

[QUOTE]Yes, of course, that American Indian/Reservation thing. Yeah, it was nothing, the Indians just lost. Too bad.[/QUOTE]Really? You think it's "too bad" the Indians lost? Do you really hate America that much?

[QUOTE]Me God? Now you are lost.[/QUOTE]I did not say you was God, I said you think you're God, and that's the way you come across to me.

Lets not forget the original topic was "Mandatory Voting" and you brought all this other BS up because I said "Mandatory voting flies in the face of the Declaration of Independence and it has Constitutional First Amendment problems.".

Maybe you would like to tell us how you feel about the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Did you ever read them? After you finish that look up the word Liberty.

[QUOTE=Punter127;444373]First you claimed I said it, now you say the "AP Glee Club" said it, I don't think anybody said it, I think you just made that crapola up. (forked tongue? Selective memory?).

BTW just what is the "AP Glee Club" is it akin to [I]"the attack dogs, that at first sniff, they go crazy...You have your rabies shot yet?" No spewing invectives from Rev BS right?[/I] That's just a small sample of some of your vituperative comments...the list goes on.

You have repeatedly tried to label me as angry, but it's not true, put simply you don't have enough on the ball to make me angry. I do get a little frustrated with stupidity from time to time.

Really? You think it's "too bad" the Indians lost? Do you really hate America that much?

I did not say you was God, I said you think you're God, and that's the way you come across to me.

Lets not forget the original topic was "Mandatory Voting" and you brought all this other BS up because I said "Mandatory voting flies in the face of the Declaration of Independence and it has Constitutional First Amendment problems.".

Maybe you would like to tell us how you feel about the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Did you ever read them? After you finish that look up the word Liberty.[/QUOTE]And we were all doing so well just a while ago !

Talking and Living and Eating Pussy !

New girls on the board . Maybe ?

No infighting . Not much .

Club News .

Come on Boys !

Nobody is right and Nobody is wrong .

Except the super liberal S.O.Bs .

Lose this thread .

Only 4 people will miss it !

It knocks the important Pussy info off the board eventually .

Just a thought .

TL[ATTACH=CONFIG]29499[/ATTACH].

My Favorite Privado.

Can't believe I am typing this shit in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

Interestingly enough, I did check the archives for this thread this morning. And pages from early 2012 to late 2012 were missing. But we can carry on this forever, and nobody's going to be wrong. We will let the the readers justify the postings.

[B]TejanoLibre[/B]

This thread has been here for six years and I suspect in two years there will be another thread with a new Presidents name.

Nobody is forced to read this thread, but if you really want it gone I suggest you take it up with Jackson, it is after all his thread.

The title of this thread should be changed to "Jackson and His Lackey Fascist Fan-Boy's Obama Hate Group". An alternative thread title could be "Jackson and Fellow Sufferers of Obama Derangement Syndrome Support Group".

You are right there are canals all over California. The problem is the they getting very dry. Our mountains did not get much snow in the last four years. Our winter season is over for this year.

I am talking about pipelines from States that have lots of rain. Washington gets lots of rain, Oregon gets more than us.

I am just suggesting a water line for emergencies like now.

It would be nice if we could get a lot of the snow from the East coast.

[QUOTE=Rocky2;444370]When it is water being transported they call them canals. They are everywhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElAlamoPalermo;444377]The title of this thread should be changed to "Jackson and His Lackey Fascist Fan-Boy's Obama Hate Group". An alternative thread title could be "Jackson and Fellow Sufferers of Obama Derangement Syndrome Support Group".[/QUOTE]That's rich El Alamo Palermo. Obama is an economic fascist, which by extension means you are too, since you unquestioningly praise everything he says and does.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng[/URL]

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism[/URL]

[QUOTE=Punter127;444373]Maybe you would like to tell us how you feel about the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Did you ever read them? After you finish that look up the word Liberty.[/QUOTE]While 1776 will exist and will remain the core of our existence, the Supreme Court is here to deal with our ever daily changing world.

I look up Liberty, and I saw you in a white strait jacket!

I hope you have a sense of humor, we already know you have a high intellect.

[B]I'll put your snide (school yard level) remarks aside.[/B]

[QUOTE=RevBS;444382]While 1776 will exist and will remain the core of our existence, the Supreme Court is here to deal with our ever daily changing world.[/QUOTE]Judging strictly from what you have written here you seem to have a misconception of the Supreme Courts role, unfortunately you're not alone.

"The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all...the Constitution. The Supreme Court, however, is far from all-powerful. Its power is limited by the other two branches of government.".

So the Supreme Court is [B]not[/B] here to deal with "our ever daily changing world" but rather to make sure "our ever daily changing world" complies with the highest man made law of all...the Constitution.

I think part of the problem is you just don't understand our system, you (and others) don't seem to understand that we live in a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy, not even a Representative Democracy, but a Republic.

Maybe this will help;.

[QUOTE]The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individuals God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate.[/QUOTE]If you really care about the little guy (individual liberty) and Minorities you should be very happy we are a Republic.

The link has a more in depth explanation that everyone should read and try to understand.

[URL]http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html[/URL]

BTW this "greater good" crapola that you preach is just an argument used by one group to gain control over another.

I'm Proud to be and American, how about you?

It is not the way you say it is.

It is Government by Big Business, for Big Business.

Buy a politician today.

[QUOTE=Punter127;444383][B]I'll put your snide (school yard level) remarks aside.[/B]

Judging strictly from what you have written here you seem to have a misconception of the Supreme Courts role, unfortunately you're not alone.

"The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all...the Constitution. The Supreme Court, however, is far from all-powerful. Its power is limited by the other two branches of government.".

So the Supreme Court is [B]not[/B] here to deal with "our ever daily changing world" but rather to make sure "our ever daily changing world" complies with the highest man made law of all...the Constitution.

I think part of the problem is you just don't understand our system, you (and others) don't seem to understand that we live in a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy, not even a Representative Democracy, but a Republic.

Maybe this will help;.

If you really care about the little guy (individual liberty) and Minorities you should be very happy we are a Republic.

The link has a more in depth explanation that everyone should read and try to understand.

[URL]http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html[/URL]

BTW this "greater good" crapola that you preach is just an argument used by one group to gain control over another.

I'm Proud to be and American, how about you?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Punter127;444383][B]I'll put your snide (school yard level) remarks aside.[/B]

Judging strictly from what you have written here you seem to have a misconception of the Supreme Courts role, unfortunately you're not alone.

"The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all...the Constitution. The Supreme Court, however, is far from all-powerful. Its power is limited by the other two branches of government.".

So the Supreme Court is [B]not[/B]

BTW this "greater good" crapola that you preach is just an argument used by one group to gain control over another.

I'm Proud to be and American, how about you?[/QUOTE]The Greater Good is a when an individual or group is willing to give up up, compromise, sacrifice their right/gain/benefit in order that a Greater Number of people will gain from that action. Like dividing your loaf of bread. It actually starts when you treat and look at another human being as your brother.

Just look around you, there is so much harshness.

It is not crap.

[QUOTE=RevBS;444385]The Greater Good is a when an individual or group is willing to give up up, compromise, sacrifice their right/gain/benefit in order that a Greater Number of people will gain from that action. Like dividing your loaf of bread. It actually starts when you treat and look at another human being as your brother.
[/QUOTE]I have no desire to wade into an argument between two people I respect. This is just meant to be a possible explanation of a misunderstanding that I think some people have who are left of center. Libertarians believe that free markets and capitalism have lifted billions out of poverty, and we believe the policies we favor will benefit the greatest number of people. This is counter-intuitive, because Social Democrats and socialists would appear to have morality on their side. That is, how can businesses and people, competing against each other and pursuing their own selfish ends, create greater prosperity for more people than a society based on sharing and equality?

Reverend, Two people on separate occasions in the island nation where you were transiting the other day told me something like "Forty years ago, we were a wealthier country than Hong Kong/Singapore. Now look what happened." What happened was that Sri Lanka pursued economic policies like Europe. Industries were nationalized and taxes went up to among the highest in the developing world. And corruption remained a fixture in government. They blew it.

[QUOTE=RevBS;444385]The Greater Good is a when an individual or group is willing to give up up, compromise, sacrifice their right/gain/benefit in order that a Greater Number of people will gain from that action. Like dividing your loaf of bread. It actually starts when you treat and look at another human being as your brother.

Just look around you, there is so much harshness.

It is not crap.[/QUOTE]A challenge to the altruists in this forum, read and debate this.

[URL]https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2006/05/altruism-the-morality-of-logical-fallacies/[/URL]

Don B.

[QUOTE=DonB;444387]A challenge to the altruists in this forum, read and debate this.

[URL]https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2006/05/altruism-the-morality-of-logical-fallacies/[/URL]

Don B.[/QUOTE]But do you have a heart? Anyway, it's a personal choice. Up to you.

Contrary to some accusations, I am not superior nor a saint.

Did anyone notice how the US just bent over for Eurasia over the AIIB?

Even the krauts told the US to buzz off. Now the US wants to cooperate. Lol. That's what these fools get for playing checkers with people who are masters at the long game. It seems everybody knows which way the wind is blowing. Except the rhetorical tards.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;444386]Reverend, Two people on separate occasions in the island nation where you were transiting the other day told me something like "Forty years ago, we were a wealthier country than Hong Kong/Singapore. Now look what happened." What happened was that Sri Lanka pursued economic policies like Europe. Industries were nationalized and taxes went up to among the highest in the developing world. And corruption remained a fixture in government. They blew it.[/QUOTE]I profess no knowledge of Sri Lanka's economic story except to say that everything about Sri Lanka in the last 50 years has to be taken within the context of the civil strife that plague and consume the life out of Sri Lanka at every level.

If it were not for China's emergence as an economic power & leader during this time, what you describe of Sri Lanka is close to universal in lesser developed countries. And don't laugh, but Brazil might even fall into that category. And here, they are staging the Olympic Games next year! Correct me if I'm mistaken.

But for sure, I will be visiting Sri Lanka very soon.

Haha. I just read the Sri Lanka bit. Just hedge accordingly and enjoy the ride. The world is fucked 6 ways from Sunday. We are living in the midst of wwIII and the great decoupling. Either we all die ( those who advocate we stand up to Russia ) or there is a slow great paradigm shift. No two ways about it. I personally enjoy watching those with cognitive dissonance and paradigm paralysis. Its quite entertaining from an academic standpoint to say the least.

[QUOTE=RevBS;444393]But do you have a heart? Anyway, it's a personal choice. Up to you.
Contrary to some accusations, I am not superior nor a saint.[/QUOTE]What an outstanding defense of altruism.

Another try to remove the altruist's head's from their asses.

[URL]https://drhurd.com/ohio-gov-john-kasich-reveals-why-repulicans-are-losers/[/URL]

Don B.

The New Political System.

[URL]http://billmoyers.com/2015/03/25/new-american-order/[/URL]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;444384]It is not the way you say it is.

It is Government by Big Business, for Big Business.

Buy a politician today.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonB;444455]What an outstanding defense of altruism.

Another try to remove the altruist's head's from their asses.

[URL]https://drhurd.com/ohio-gov-john-kasich-reveals-why-repulicans-are-losers/[/URL]

Don B.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the link. You the man.

[QUOTE=DonB;444455]What an outstanding defense of altruism.

Another try to remove the altruist's head's from their asses.

[URL]https://drhurd.com/ohio-gov-john-kasich-reveals-why-repulicans-are-losers/[/URL]

Don B.[/QUOTE]We're on the same page on most issues but disagree on this one. I'm with the Reverend, Kasich is my man too. It would be great if he were the Republican nominee for President. He beat his Democrat opponent by 30 percentage points in the last Ohio gubernatorial election. Kasich didn't come up with the wasteful, inefficient, anti-free-enterprise U.S. Health care system. He'd be doing a disservice to his constituents if he didn't accept federal funds for Medicaid. I personally don't have a problem with government helping children and the poor with medical care, providing it's done efficiently, which it's not now. I'm also a big supporter of private altruism. Yes you want to make sure the funds are going to good use and aren't being siphoned off by administrative overhead or otherwise. Disaster relief and vaccinations and other basic medical care for children in third world countries are two of my favorites. Yes, public altruism has its problems. One example, paying Cargill and ADM millions for grain that's shipped to African countries to support American farmers. Sometimes the grain gets resold by corrupt government officials to China or who knows where. And it can put local farmers out of business, who can't compete with free food.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;444471]We're on the same page on most issues but disagree on this one. I'm with the Reverend, Kasich is my man too. It would be great if he were the Republican nominee for President. He beat his Democrat opponent by 30 percentage points in the last Ohio gubernatorial election. Kasich didn't come up with the wasteful, inefficient, anti-free-enterprise U.S. Health care system. He'd be doing a disservice to his constituents if he didn't accept federal funds for Medicaid. I personally don't have a problem with government helping children and the poor with medical care, providing it's done efficiently, which it's not now. I'm also a big supporter of private altruism. Yes you want to make sure the funds are going to good use and aren't being siphoned off by administrative overhead or otherwise. Disaster relief and vaccinations and other basic medical care for children in third world countries are two of my favorites. Yes, public altruism has its problems. One example, paying Cargill and ADM millions for grain that's shipped to African countries to support American farmers. Sometimes the grain gets resold by corrupt government officials to China or who knows where. And it can put local farmers out of business, who can't compete with free food.[/QUOTE]You are confusing altruism with benevolence.

How does one persons need constitute a claim on another's life?

How can you morally justify using force, the government, to enforce that claim?

Don B.

[QUOTE=RevBS;444412]I profess no knowledge of Sri Lanka's economic story except to say that everything about Sri Lanka in the last 50 years has to be taken within the context of the civil strife that plague and consume the life out of Sri Lanka at every level.

If it were not for China's emergence as an economic power & leader during this time, what you describe of Sri Lanka is close to universal in lesser developed countries. And don't laugh, but Brazil might even fall into that category. And here, they are staging the Olympic Games next year! Correct me if I'm mistaken.

But for sure, I will be visiting Sri Lanka very soon.[/QUOTE]Excellent point about the conflict in Sri Lanka. You could argue that overshadows everything else.

I strongly disagree with your second paragraph. China emerged as an economic power because Deng Xiaoping started pursuing free market policies. This was in no small part because of the influence of the Singapore example, and advice from the Singapore Prime Minister, Lee Kuan Yew.

Sri Lanka's biggest "export" is its people, many of whom work in other countries and remit funds back home, not commodities that have driven booms in some third world countries. I don't see the China connection, except that the old regime in Sri Lanka, like a number of African governments, courted Chinese investment and aid. The new government is promoting better relations with India, and Chinese investment may suffer as a result.

Yes, countries like Brazil did benefit from the commodity boom created by Chinese demand. Brazil is a poor example for your case though. I'd argue that the reason the country WILL fall into "that category" is because Dilma Rousseff has followed in Sri Lanka's footsteps and violated most of Tiny's rules for good governance, being smaller efficient government, avoidance of large fiscal deficits, low levels of corruption and crony capitalism, rule of law and property rights, and a good education system.

Funny I thought there was a thread already.

This one is about Drugs and Politics.

Don't miss seeing this.

"Kill the Messenger".

I am sure the Government does not want you to watch this.

[URL]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1216491/?ref_=nv_sr_1[/URL]

[URL]http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=8324[/URL]

I remember 1938 as well as what happened a year later.

The rest of you will just have to read about it.

Don B.

BLS=BS?

Even the FED has to admit it. Now all future arguments that quote the BLS stats, you will be rightfully ridiculed because it's no longer ignorance. It's just plain stupid.

Here is a take on Clinton's entry into the Presidential race.

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/opinion/charles-blow-woe-of-white-men-again.html[/URL]

[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was redacted or deleted because it constituted more anti-American hate-speech in yet another attempt by Rev BS to gleefully decry the what he believes is the inevitable extinction of the USA.[/blue]

How can you? U.S. Citizens have allowed the country to be taken over by a bunch of kleptocrats and plutocrats while they keep yapping about republican democrat blah blah blah. And next election we get to choose between a Clinton and a bush. What a democracy. All the while serious governments around the world are doing their job while not having to bomb countries willy nilly. Hoi polloi get the government's they deserve. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=RevBS;444698]Pride & Stubborness over Pragmatism. How can you identify yourself a patriot?[/QUOTE]

And this is what we are left with.

Well at least we have that. Who needs the AIIB?

Arriving at Lvov, the capital of Banderastan no less. Very symbolic.

So now we are arming AND training these guys. Are Americans proud yet? Winning.

Guess she can't be all that bad..

[URL]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/04/republicans_support_benjamin_netanyahu_more_than_barack_obama_an_unprecedented.html[/URL]

Republicans feel more allegiance to Benjamin Netanyahu than Barrack Obama.

I have to apologize for not consulting with the locals about Obama when I was in Nairobi a few weeks ago. Too much fun there, forgot all about the politics & hate.

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This afternoon I was in my driveway here in the midwest checking the oil in my 12 year old car when this nicely dressed young man walked up holding his hand out for a hand shake saying my dad is running for county council and while cleaning my hands with a garage towel I looked him square in the eye and said all politicians are the skum of the earth. He said have a nice day sur turned around and walked away. No matter if you swing left or right you must admit...all politicians are the skum of the earth.

[QUOTE=HotRod11;444723]This afternoon I was in my driveway here in the midwest checking the oil in my 12 year old car when this nicely dressed young man walked up holding his hand out for a hand shake saying my dad is running for county council and while cleaning my hands with a garage towel I looked him square in the eye and said all politicians are the skum of the earth. He said have a nice day sur turned around and walked away. No matter if you swing left or right you must admit...all politicians are the skum of the earth.[/QUOTE]What you say is almost 100% correct. But it comes down to morality, and what a person can resist. And that comes
with the surrounding enviroment and the existing culture. When you are knee-deep in dung, it's almost impossible to keep a white shirt spotless.