Black

Not really, she's more a variation of Meg Ryan, with some latitude, but still very pretty, about 8-9.

Although I was told she's there frequently, she didn't seem to be a pro at all, and my guess is that she's probably a [very recent] newcomer. Am I ready for a surprise? I don't know. Anyway, her two other friends (also good looking) seemed to be "dilletantes", maybe girls from out of town that come to BA for a few days - and stick to foreigners only.

[QUOTE=Sebascot]Robert,

Was she kind of Paris Hilton looking? If so, she has been there a at least 3 or 4 years now.[/QUOTE]

Stopped by Black tonight for the first time in years. I got there about 2:15 in the morning. The place was packed with girls and American guys. It definitely is the destination for American tourists. I would say about 75-80% of the women there are no better than what you would find at any private apartment in Buenos Aires. The other 15% or so are maybe 7-8's. About 1-2% 9's. I spoke with a group of 3 Brasilians. I seem to be running into a lot of Brasilians on this trip. Two of them were 4's and one was a 9 on my scale which is pretty high. Unfortunately the 2 4's were the ones that spoke most to me. They told me that many of the girls in the club will not go to apartments. They will only go to hotels for safety reasons. Right before I left, I went up to the 9. Her name is Diana. Blond, tall, thin, decent sized chest and fresh off the boat from Brazil. She could be a fashion model. She quoted me $150. When I said it aloud she said not to say it so loud that the other girls could hear. I seriously thought about it. But I added it up in my head and with the chica drink and the transitorio it would be about $200. I can't even get a massage and a happy finish from a 5 from where I'm from for $200. But I'm not in the US, I'm in Buenos Aires and 600 pesos when all is said and done is about 3 visits to a high end apartment. I offered her 300 pesos which was met with a solid no.

The dancers were hot, but not nearly as hot as the Madaho's ones from the night before. There was one dancer at Madaho's that if she said I could take her for 1000 pesos I would have gone for it. Madaho's also has a higher percentage of 7-9's. All in all, I think Madaho's is the better choice. Better girls, better dancers, better atmosphere and lower prices.

What never ceases to amaze me about the reports on this place is the broad discrepencies between reports. Some guys rave about the hotties in the place, others complain that there are nothing but pigs - and in reports covering the same general time span. In no other place in BsAs have I noticed the disconnects between the various posters' reports. Interesting.

I think it has a lot to due with tastes. I like the tall model types. Some guys hate them. My perfect body can be someone else's rail thin. My chubby could be someone else's "I like something to hold onto." I think it's best if you read reviews from people you know or someone who has seen the same girl as you. Then you know how to rate the scale. Also, a lot of guys only go to the high end clubs so really don't know what the apts are like. Some of those girls in the apts could easily work in Black or Madaho's. Because girls of that quality work in the apts, I put similiar girls in Black or Madaho's in the OK category. The girls I think as 8-9's you will never find in an apt.

[QUOTE=Hunt99]What never ceases to amaze me about the reports on this place is the broad discrepencies between reports. Some guys rave about the hotties in the place, others complain that there are nothing but pigs - and in reports covering the same general time span. In no other place in BsAs have I noticed the disconnects between the various posters' reports. Interesting.[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree with JustGotBack. I also like the tall model types, and those most guys would consider hot (mostly huge boobs, huge ass) I discard, simply.

Thanks for the tip on Diana, I'll look her up, next time.

BTW, you can also try to get their cellphone number and let us know. It would be a great service!

I'm still looking for those "top model" types.

[QUOTE=JustGotBack]I think it has a lot to due with tastes. I like the tall model types. Some guys hate them. My perfect body can be someone else's rail thin. (The girls I think as 8-9's you will never find in an apt.[/QUOTE]

Second night in town, I went to Black around midnight. The place was crammed full of attractive women - at least 30 and probably 40 total. There was barely any room for customers.

I lingered at the bar for quite a while, checking out all the talent and narrowing down my choices. A few with the requisite looks also demonstrated the right attitude. However, while chatting with some expats on the couches under the big screen, I caught sight of the hottest red head I have ever seen. Probably 5'4", 100 lbs. Long auburn hair almost to the waist and an extremely classy look. I waved her over and found out that her name is Marciela, and that she's from Rio.

Long story short, she quoted me $300 USD for una hora and $400 USD for TLN. That sounded very high, based on what I have read here. I countered in pesos and that was met with a resounding no. We settled on $300 USD for TLN and headed back to my place. I know that this was too much, but she was uncommonly attractive and I was feeling stupid.

At my house, service was sensual and nice, but not especially hot. No deep kissing, and everything covered. Still, a very good experience until it came time for round two. She claimed that I "hurt" her in round one and just wanted to cuddle. Realizing that I had (1) overpaid and (2) paid upfront, both despite my better judgment, I threw in the towel and showed her the door after a little back and forth.

So I'm left with a slightly bitter taste in my mouth, having paid US prices for what was only slightly better than a US experience. Black was quite a scene tonight, but I'm not sure if I'd repeat, based on this experience. My poor language skills probably contributed to the way negotiations went, but the bait and switch is another matter entirely. The drink prices were also ridiculous -$40 for my drinks and $50 for hers.

[QUOTE=Breakawaytx]Second night in town, I went to Black around midnight. The place was crammed full of attractive women - at least 30 and probably 40 total. There was barely any room for customers.

I lingered at the bar for quite a while, checking out all the talent and narrowing down my choices. A few with the requisite looks also demonstrated the right attitude. However, while chatting with some expats on the couches under the big screen, I caught sight of the hottest red head I have ever seen. Probably 5'4", 100 lbs. Long auburn hair almost to the waist and an extremely classy look. I waved her over and found out that her name is Marciela, and that she's from Rio.

Long story short, she quoted me $300 USD for una hora and $400 USD for TLN. That sounded very high, based on what I have read here. I countered in pesos and that was met with a resounding no. We settled on $300 USD for TLN and headed back to my place. I know that this was too much, but she was uncommonly attractive and I was feeling stupid.

At my house, service was sensual and nice, but not especially hot. No deep kissing, and everything covered. Still, a very good experience until it came time for round two. She claimed that I "hurt" her in round one and just wanted to cuddle. Realizing that I had (1) overpaid and (2) paid upfront, both despite my better judgment, I threw in the towel and showed her the door after a little back and forth.

So I'm left with a slightly bitter taste in my mouth, having paid US prices for what was only slightly better than a US experience. Black was quite a scene tonight, but I'm not sure if I'd repeat, based on this experience. My poor language skills probably contributed to the way negotiations went, but the bait and switch is another matter entirely. The drink prices were also ridiculous -$40 for my drinks and $50 for hers.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised you are aware of this board as you obviously have not read or taken on board ANY of the information to help in paying the going rate.

Was it a hooker you took or a lawyer, that's about the going rate here in London for a average lawyer per hour.

Any body going to BsAs for the 1st time, see what happens when you don't listen and pay upfront, poor service. This chica in 1 hour earned nearly the average monthly salary. Makes you think!

Lawyer, hooker, what's the difference? All either of them ever do is screw people.

DH,

The difference is that screwing hookers feels much better!

And Breakawaytx, you got what you deserved. All information you need to avoid what happened to you is here in the forum. You made all possible rookie mistakes at once, some of them are:

- going into Black.

- going for looks only, "hottest", "classy" - she is selling her looks, not her service.

- paying up front.

- even discussing U$S.

- not reading the FF.

There certainly are some more.

Advice, hook up with some of the experienced mongers, and get the real BA taste.

2 centavos de.

El Alemán.

Who has made better experiences in the U. S.

It makes me sad to think that Western men are having such fucked up experiences with women at home that they would come to Argentina and drop $300US on a blow up doll and not be FURIOUS. It's too bad that this guy probably won't stick around in Buenos Aires long enough to realize how ridiculous his entire experience was. That should NEVER happen in B. A. Actually this guys experience was worse than fucking a blow up doll because the doll would put out all night without bitching.

[QUOTE=Breakawaytx]We settled on $300 USD for TLN and headed back to my place. I know that this was too much, but she was uncommonly attractive and I was feeling stupid. [/QUOTE]This HAS to be a gag - I'm not buying it.

David

I don't think it's wrong to go into Black, per se, if you know what you're getting into, but you definitely have to draw the line at $200 USD. I mean, MAXIMUM you've got to stop there. And pay afterwards.

Breakawaytx, you're even making me look good.

Read the forum!

[QUOTE=Breakawaytx]We settled on $300 USD... [/QUOTE]No offense, but that's insane.

SL

Black is not the place to go if you don't know how to negotiate or handle a chica. On the other hand, the selection is much better than in any other boliche, in my opinion, so I'm not going to cry too much at the thought of Breakway spending a little too much money.

And think about it - when you add in a 1400 dollar plane ticket, an apartment or hotel for 50-150 dollars a day, food, and other expenses, spending an extra C note or two on pussy doesn't strike me as either a tragedy or as a budget breaker.

We all have to learn our lessons the hard way. The only people on this board who claim they've never overpaid are simply liars.

Thanks to this forum no one has to learn the hard way. If everyone would just show a modicum of intelligence and read the FF and just say have the balls to just say no to outrageous prices, then there would be no problems.

Amazing he knew of the forum and still got burned. Sounds like a lot of guys who evidently are too lazy to RTFF and just went on his own.

Suerte.

Stowe