American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 414007]Jay Rockerfeller wants to shut down MSNBC and Fox news. What a great idea. We get rid of the one news outlet that has a conservative point of view (Fox News) and we get rid of one of the of hundreds of news outlets that are hard core lefties / loonies (MSNBC. What would we be left with? Hundreds of news outlets that are hardcore lefties / loonies.

I think we have found Nestor Kirshner's twin in Jay Rockerfeller. [/QUOTE]Is about as dumb as a bag of rocks. This dipshit has never done anything on his own, he has merely traded on his family name for his entire life. What is even sadder is that this parasite has been living off of the American tax payer for 25+ years when he can afford to pay for his own gluttony and flatulence.

This is a typical bargaining ploy that almost never works. But, as Wayne Gretzky's dad used to say "100% of the shots you don't take, don't go in" You try to show how objective you are by offering to do that which you ask of your opponent. Get rid of Fox and we'll match you with a similar, liberal broadcast network."Oops, there aren't any similar liberal broadcast networks so, let us select a substitute. How about this flaming piece of shit over here in exchange for your bag of diamonds?"

Obama is finally admitting that recovery from this recession / depression will be slow and that this recession / depression will be with us for an extended period of time.

I think my dog Rocky could have told Obama that 2 years ago. Wasting trillions (what number come after a trillion) of dollars on make believe, beaurcratic, mumble jumble jobs which do not have the ability to add even a paper clip to the economy is the height of stupidity.

Maybe Obama can export his economic miracle to Zimbabwe. It goes like this. Hire tens of millions of people to sit at desks, doing nothing except collecting paychecks that make their currency everyday more worthless. Then periodically state that, thanks to his uncanny understanding of economics, the recovery is just around the corner.

Keep this up for several decades because that is how long this recession will last if we don't put a leash on Obama.

And as far as Zimbabwe goes. Even they had more sense than to listen to Obama.

[url]http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1011/lady_gaga_tells_senators_end_dadt.html[/url]

I hope it gets repealed.

I and many many people who served in the US military and are serving now do not want the policy to be repealed. It will have a significant effect on troop morale and thus impact readiness in a negative way. BTW, who cares what Lady Gaga thinks?

Stinger

[QUOTE=Stinger; 414231]BTW, who cares what Lady Gaga thinks?

Stinger[/QUOTE]I second that. It is beyond me why any celebrity is arrogant enough to believe that their opinion on politics matters more than any other average Joe's opinion. If they want to campaign on an issue, let them run for office. Yet, they are this arrogant. And, sadly, stupid people pay attention to them.

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Lady Gaga wants repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell. [/QUOTE]Funny thing is, PFC Bradley Manning (the gay source for the wikileaks document dump) used a music CDRW of Lady Gaga to store the stolen documents. He sang along to her song "Telephone" while he downloaded the files.

Synchronicity!

Too much news, not enough Paraguayan Pussy! I have to buy a ticket.

Neither Lady Gaga nor Julian Assange has an expertise in the subjects upon which they opine. Again, if we had any balls, there would have been hell to pay on the leak and publication of these issues. Unfortunately, the president happens to share a philosophical agenda with Julian Assange. America needs to be brought down a few rungs. Both hate the American military and our intelligence capabilities.

The vote on the Deficit Reduction Commission's proposal is tomorrow. It stands no chance of getting the 14 votes necessary to force a Congressional vote. Five panel members already have come out against it. But, it will get over 50% support, which is significant.

As I predicted, the gnashing of teeth has come from the left, and Republicans are the ones who are endorsing the plan. The two House Republicans who aren't, Paul Ryan and Dave Camp, are refusing to vote for it for completely foolish reasons. Ryan's sole objection is that it doesn't do enough to pare back health care costs and, in particular, it doesn't gut Obamacare. That's his only objection. He likes the rest of it, or at least he's said that the Obamacare issue is the only thing that's preventing him from voting for it. Fair enough. But, the solution is not to withhold support. Vote for it, and at the same time make clear that it doesn't go far enough, so you're going to be introducing legislation to gut Obamacare. There's still plenty of support for that, and it won't wane just because this plan passes.

Ryan and Camp are letting a golden opportunity slip through their fingers. They both say that they are going to use this plan as the starting point for their own deficit reduction measures. But, regardless of how optimistic anyone may be about the impact that the "new" House and Tea Partiers will have, there will never be as good an opportunity as this to cut the deficit.

The proposal pushes all the right buttons:

- Social security and medicare are cut, and the retirement age is increased in the distant future.

- Federal wages are frozen and the federal workforce gets trimmed by 200, 000.

-The money-pit post office gets scaled back.

- Individual retirement plans are scaled back, simplified, and some of the silly caps are raised.

- Corporate taxes are rolled back and brought in line with the rest of the world.

- Individual rates are lowered, and the individual tax base is broadened, in exchange for sacrificing a variety of sacred cow deductions.

It's a good proposal. They ought to vote for it. Are there other things that could be added to it? Sure. So what. Republicans have two years in control of the House and plenty of time on their hands to come up with additional cuts and proposals. Unfortunately, rather than taking the bird in the hand, they're going to try for two in the Bush, and they'll end up with nothing. In two years, we'll hear Obama campaigning on the deficit reduction measures he tried to put in place, and that Republicans killed it. He won't mention that more Democrats will have voted against it, and the press won't call him on it (surprise) and Republicans will have pissed away a great opportunity.

I am a newbie lurker. I have been a mongerer in SE Asia for 15 years living in Thailand, Malaysia and Brunei. Am now visiting BA on a golf trip.

Cmon man this is a website about girls how the fuck did politics get in here. If you're going to have politics, lets talk about gay rights and transvestites. Did I spell that right. Really lets get down to the business of girls. I left the US 22 years ago. I don't have to keep justifying why.

[QUOTE=Curbarn; 414319]I am a newbie lurker. I have been a mongerer in SE Asia for 15 years living in Thailand, Malaysia and Brunei. Am now visiting BA on a golf trip.

Cmon man this is a website about girls how the fuck did politics get in here. If you're going to have politics, lets talk about gay rights and transvestites. Did I spell that right. Really lets get down to the business of girls. I left the US 22 years ago. I don't have to keep justifying why. [/QUOTE]Curbarn:

Please spend some time reading the board. There are plenty of other threads where folks, including myself, can and do post about many of the things you're interested in.

If you really want to talk about gay rights and transvestites, you are free to start your own thread. I doubt you'll get too much traction, but I've been wrong before.

The solution if you don't want to read about US politics is: Don't read this thread. It's pretty simple.

Good luck on the golf trip.

[QUOTE=Curbarn; 414319]I am a newbie lurker. I have been a mongerer in SE Asia for 15 years living in Thailand, Malaysia and Brunei. Am now visiting BA on a golf trip.

Cmon man this is a website about girls how the fuck did politics get in here. If you're going to have politics, lets talk about gay rights and transvestites. Did I spell that right. Really lets get down to the business of girls. I left the US 22 years ago. I don't have to keep justifying why. [/QUOTE]Lets start with [u][b]YOU[/u][/b] Getting down to business, so far you've offered criticism and nothing else to this forum. Oh, but wait you've been mongering in 'SE Asia for 15 years' so lets look at your contributions on the ISG. Gee, a quick search on the ISG of the name 'Curbarn' comes back with 'zero matches', perhaps you have a different name on the ISG, please tell us you've contributed something, or perhaps you should stick to golf.

So 'Cmon man' why should anybody care what you think?

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[quote=jackson; 413220][blue]Moveon,

I believe that you are a professional political operative and I'm calling you out.

Therefor, having made this finding, I am invoking the "Ricardo Rule": [b]your next five posts must be detailed descriptions of your encounters with working girls here in Buenos Aires. [/b]

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue][/quote]

We need the FDA going strong.

US Prescription Drugs Tested on World's Poor.

[url]http://www.newser.com/story/106705/us-prescription-drugs-tested-on-worlds-poor.html[/url]

[quote]Prescription drugs that are considered safe kill an estimated 200, 000 Americans a year, and investigative reporters Donald L. Barlett and James B. Steele have exposed a massive loophole that could help explain why. Some 6, 485 clinical trials were conducted abroad in 2008—more than 20 times as many as in 1990—and the FDA has been declaring drugs safe based on foreign trials that are almost completely free from regulation or oversight, a detailed investigation published in Vanity Fair finds.

There is no real chain of command in modern American drug testing, the investigation finds, and many of the most problematic drugs on the market today have been tested in countries where the average wage is just a few dollars a day."The people doing the work on the front lines are not independent scientists. They are wage-earning technicians who are paid to gather a certain number of human beings; sometimes sequester and feed them; administer certain chemical inputs; and collect samples of urine and blood at regular intervals," Barlett and Steele write."The work looks like agribusiness, not research. ' And researchers question the relevance of the tests in the first place, highlighting the fact that people living in impoverished nations may metabolize drugs differently, and that outcomes may be skewed due to the presence of diseases like malaria and tuberculosis. Click here to read the entire piece.

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[QUOTE=Stan the Man; 414340]Curbarn:

Please spend some time reading the board. There are plenty of other threads where folks, including myself, can and do post about many of the things you're interested in.

If you really want to talk about gay rights and transvestites, you are free to start your own thread. I doubt you'll get too much traction, but I've been wrong before.

The solution if you don't want to read about US politics is: Don't read this thread. It's pretty simple.

Good luck on the golf trip. [/QUOTE]But I need a better caddy. Last night I was driunk. And am sick of defending the government of the country from whence I came. To see thread dedicated to opinion on government mismanagement etc p*the me off. Do I care about gay rights not at all, it was just a BillMaherism. I will try to be more open minded.

As for punter 127 yeah I moved to Brunei in 1987, divorced and moved to Thailand in 1991. Do I post in asia anywhere, gee do you really need a forum for Thailand, everything is right in front of you. But yes I think I posted to Pattaya addicts 3 or 4 years ago. I see you have a lot of time to check up on me, so there it is. I will forward my interpol profile should you need it.

[QUOTE=Curbarn;414349]As for punter 127 yeah I moved to Brunei in 1987, divorced and moved to Thailand in 1991. Do I post in asia anywhere, gee do you really need a forum for Thailand, everything is right in front of you. But yes I think I posted to Pattaya addicts 3 or 4 years ago. I see you have a lot of time to check up on me, so there it is. I will forward my interpol profile should you need it.[/QUOTE]Sure I use the Thailand forum, because some of us look a little farther then [i] 'right in front of you', [/i] And I want the latest and most up to date information possible. Apparently I'm not the only one considering the Thailand forum is huge with about 40 threads.

I'm always happy to see new members but how about giving something useful back to the forum. If I remember correctly Jackson started this political thread and it's his forum, so who are you to criticize it on your very first post? Very Rude Dude.

Now we need get back on topic so here goes; [b] Obama Sucks, Sara Palin supports tea bagging liberals, and Fox News is best news channel ever. [/b]. LOL