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Johan and others,
I wholeheartedly agree with L.A. Larry. I also have not been to Brazil and probably won't go since I have been to Buenos Aires. I understand they are like night and day but everything I could possibly want was found in B.A. Plus, most of the girls I ended up with were from Brazil anyway. Probably out of the 10+ girls I saw, half of them were from Brazil.
I prefer more of the European blend mix rather than the darker Hispanic look so it was perfect for me.
Even though I have never been to Brazil I have talked to several guys first hand that have been to Brazil and experienced crime first hand. Heck, just read the WSG forums on Brazil and you'll hear about guys that have seen crime or had it done on them. NO matter what anyone says..... the crime rate in Brazil is horrible. I even know people that are from Brazil that say to be careful everywhere you go.
Argentina WAS (read FORMALLY) was expensive. I wouldn't consider it expensive now. But then again everything is relative in life. $1 to one man is $1000 to another. That being said, I tried to provide prices in pesos for almost everything from food to massages to the chicas. Compared to the United States, the food was downright cheap. The hotel I stayed in was very affordable, the girls were affordable.
I do acknowledge that me and my friend probably payed more than most need to. Most of the time we wouldn't even counter an offer which surely would have gotten a cheaper price. In fact, the times we did do it they drastically cut their price. That's probably the one area I would have done differently. If anything, negotiate an initial price with them and tell them if you are very happy you will leave a good propina (tip) for her.
Recoleta is in the heart of much of the action. I couldn't envision not being in Recoleta. To me it was the epicenter of the chica world. VERY safe area. Larry is 100% correct. No crime here.
The other thing some of you must do is research! Research! Research before your trip. Before my trip I had so many facts, figures and emails from everywhere. This forum is valuable. Read the forums first then ask your questions. Odds are it is already answered.
Then to to newsites like cnn.com; wallstreetjournal.com etc. and type in Argentina. Another good one for B.A. is [url]http://www.buenosairesherald.com/[/url]
Let your brain soap up information before you leave so you know how it might affect you. This is an adventure....not just a vacation.
I've been back less than a week and talked several hours on the phone from girls from B.A. this past week. The economic situation isn't getting better anytime soon. Two of them I talked to said they were probably going to get up and go work at Cancun here shortly. You know what? It won't matter. This is the oldest profession. There will be girls to replace those girls. It might be sad but it is true.
Have fun. Keep a look out on the Hotel Section of B.A. on this site. I've been bumping into all kinds of new nicer places near Recoleta.
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(This is my initial B.A. report, it's about 8 months old. I think it's still of some use -- but remember that all prices quoted here are before the current peso devaluation.)
Buenos Aries is expensive (as compared to Brasil), no way around it. But if you're persistent and patient, good deals may be had.
First place to go may be "Guido" street in Recolata -- right near the famous cemetary. In the last block before it dead-ends are two clubs: "Affluent" and "Password." Both charge about 10-15/drink USD for the guys, and 20-30 for the girls. There's no on-site sex facilities, so you have to take them to a hotel. One drink is mandatory if you want to take the girl out of the place -- which I justify as there exit fee.
If you don't want to take them you your hotel, there're a few in the area that cater by the hour -- about 30 40 USD for this. Ouch.
Another place, close to this (at the end of the street, or promenade, (take a left) that intersects Guido at this block) is "Newport." This is a simple music-bar (with mildly inflated drink prices) wherein independent working girls go to trick. It's very low-pressure. Just go up to a girl you like and start talking.
I was there on a Friday night and there were about 40-50 women -- many pushing a cute 30 years old, but a few young gems, too. I was quoted 150 USD for 1.5 hours and she wouldn't do oral w/o. But of course this is just one woman and by no means a house policy or average.
Now around here, too, is "Black's," a B.A. institution. Expensive. I got together w/ a girl, 300 for two hours, oral w/o, rimmed -- and it was absolutely unbelievable (and I'm a little jaded to all this). She was 22 and stunningly beautiful.
O.k. It's twenty dallars to get in, and 40 USD for a drink for the girl (which is mandatory if you want to take them out). Pretty low pressure despite these prices. I was dessed in a sweater and casual slacks and had no problem w/ the dress code (if there is one). Saw people in jeans in there. I would guess no t-shirts or exercise shoes, though.
These types of clubs (high-end venues), world-wide, tend to only really have two types of women: those who are "too" well-dressed and those who are affecting some sort of corporate-business look. The former look a little like dragon-ladies, and the latter look just too inconsistent with the scene.
Neither of these varieties are at Blacks. This girls are just well-dressed (but not overly so), crazy-fine twenty-somethings.
Next: Avendia Cordoba. There are three cafes along here, "Cafe Orleans" (intersection of Cordoba and San Martin), "Cafe Castelar Bar" (int. at Esmeralda), and "Cafe Exedra" (int. at 9 de Julio) wherein working girls casually hang out in the evenings. These places cater to this service. Drinks are reasonable, the places well-lighted (perhaps too much so), and they all go back to your hotel or another.
Donīt know prices, but would guess somewhere around 150 USD. Women looked older through the windows -- and there were never more than 7-8 at any time in any one place.
One last section: Avendida Cordoba and Tres Sargentos. Here you'll find the famous "Cutty Sark." Pretty lame, if you ask me. 10 USD drinks for the guys, 20 for the girls, take-to-hotel, about 150 USD for 1.5-2 hours. Problem is, there were only about 10-15 girls at any time, and most were 5.5 or below. Sorry to say.
Others have reported good things, though. I went there twice; same both times.
Across the street from this is "El Verde" -- similar to Newport and providing mainly orlder women. Incidentally, there're a few street walkers and the far end of Tres Sargentos. Don't know prices.
P.S. All the trick-prices quoted herein are those stated before negotiactions began. Almost everyone can be talked-down ( make sure to negotiate at Black's!).
This should cover a good portion of the scene. It's not Brasil. Sigh. But I guess it's not that bad, either.
Happy Hunting,
JWadd
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Just one last thing. Pay in pesos and pay in cash, even at the hotel. Don't use your credit card. I just got my credit card and bank statements. The credit card company gave me rates from 2.79 - 3.05 pesos per dollar. In comparison, my bank gave me rates of 3.11 - 3.58. I called up my credit card company and they said that banks get better rates.
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Just to add my 2 cents also, in all my international travels I've found my Citibank Mastercard gives me consistently better rates (including Argentina) than Amex Corporate, MBNA, and ATT. I can't compare it to other cards as those are the only ones I have.
This is likely due to Citibank's forex presence. Their rate for my last two trips to Argentina in early April and early May have only been about 5-10 cents off the rates at the exchage houses. But in any case, you should expect local exchange houses to nearly always give you a better rate than any credit card.
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Saint,
I agree with you totally about not getting involved romantically with these chicas from BA unless you have a fairly high pain threshold and can withstand a fair amount of heartache while you're not together. You can never forget that while you're not with each other your honey is carrying on with countless other eligible men, sometimes they're being flown to foreign countries and are wined and dined for weeks at a time by your competitors. You can't blame the chicas either since this is how they make their living, doing what they do so incredibly well: entertaining and being the unbelivably charming, beautiful creatures that every one of us that's experienced them knows them to be.
I tried sustaining about a year phone and mostly email relationship with a gorgeous girl from one of the provinces that I met in Playwoman. I even brought her over to the US for an unforgettable week of bliss last year. But the biggest problem was that whenever she was with one of her many other "amigos" as she used to call them, we'd be mainly out of contact (she was on assignment, so what could I expect?) and I was jealous as hell! When I complained that it didn't/shouldn't be that way that was the beginning of the end of our relationship.
So now I'm firmly of the belief that you shouldn't get hooked on any one of these fabulous girls but that you should try to experience as many of them as possible and remember that very few of these girls ever completely leave their profession, even as it's been reported by some after they come to the US and marry an American man!! Yes, does "it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks" ring any familiar bells for anybody?
Finally, I'm in love with BA myself, the food, the people (particularly the chicas), the sights, sounds, smell of this city and the entire country, so please don't misinterpret what I'm saying: I'd love to live there half the year if it were possible for me but I think it's best NOT to throw caution to the wind with the chicas of BA. DownBA
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DownBA,
I couldn't agree more with your post. For some guys this type of relationship might work but I just couldn't sustain anything long-term. I also think you should try to enjoy as many wonderful girls as possible.
I too not only want to go back to B.A. solely for the girls. It was the whole atmosphere over there. The way of life. The people, the food, the surroundings. Granted, I've gotten more into reality since getting back. But my heart and body still want to be back in B.A.
I've already started making my arrangements for my trip in December. This trip should be even better. I've enrolled in intensive Spanish classes that I plan on taking all summer and through the fall. I hope to be fluent by December which should make things more interesting. I plan on taking L.A. Larry's advice and spending a day or two in La Plata. I plan on spending 5 nights in Mar Del Plata.
I hope those of you that go over the next few months will keep us all posted on the goings on in our favorite city. Good luck everyone.
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Larry,
First of all, no matter what you'll love the ocean views from your hotel. Make sure you get a suite with an ocean view. I can't tell you how many people I talk to go all the way down to Cancun only to get the "Lagoon view". It's definitely worth it to upgrade to a Club level type room even though it costs more.
Cancun is not a destination I would go to only for the girls. I have been down to Cancun several times before for a legitimate vacation. It was only the last time in December that I went to any of the chica type clubs. I've been all over the Caribbean and Cancun has some of the prettiest ocean stretches in the world. It's a touristy city but it's a short flight for me.
Yes, Cancun was VERY expensive. If you read my posts you'll notice all these guys that say I overpaid and that it is crazy to pay those kind of rates because it was Mexico. Forget your in Mexico because rates are high for high quality girls. The rates are similar to the US for high class girls. Here in the US any high class escort will charge anywhere from $250 - $300 per hour.
As far as a comparison, keep in mind at some of the clubs like Bolero or Shampoo many of the girls are from South America. You might even bump into girls from Buenos Aires or Brazil that you saw down there. Several of the girls come to Cancun for a few months to make some serious money then go back down to S. America. I have talked to about 3 girls in Buenos Aires that do this. One of them is headed down there next month and her sister is already there now. They get a hotel room or apartment and like 3-6 of them will share it due to the high cost down there. They will work like slaves for 2-4 months then go back home.
As you can imagine it's like night and day. Hard to compare the girls but I'll do my best to try. Buenos Aires is more upscale, more refined and more sophisticated. Cancun is raw, expensive and seedier (at least in the clubs). Most of the girls are Mexican in the clubs. Generally their bodies are rounder, their hips and waists are bigger unlike the marvelous Argentinian women with their small waists and tiny asses.
The girls are also more jaded in Cancun vs. Buenos Aires. It's all about money in both places but the girls in Cancun don't fool around (at least the ones in the club). The private girls I met outside the club were nicer, better in bed, more GFE (girlfriend experience), more generous with their time than the club girls. The other thing you will have less luck with is paying in Pesos in Cancun. The society there is dominated by US dollars. The girls will almost demand US Dollars or the equivolent conversion rate. In the clubs like Millenium, Blackjacks, Bolero and Shampoo I don't care what some of the guys say.... most likely you will not pay less than $200 - $300 US per hour or 1 1/2 hours for a hot girl.
The private girls are cheaper at around $125 - $150 US for around 1 1/2 - 2 hours. I saw more private girls than club girls just for the fact that it was a long drive to some of the clubs. Also, I went down for a normal vacation too. It is an expensive city. No way around it.
Larry, BA has definitely spoiled me. Nothing will be the same PBA (Post Buenos Aires) for me. I still can't get it out of my head. If I won the lottery you guys might not ever hear from me again...LOL. But as far as never going to Cancun again? I'll be there again and again. Maybe not to see the girls but it's too easy for me to go to. In fact, I might go down July 4th weekend with "Slash" from this board. He has also been down several times and we email occassionally. Read his posts... he knows Cancun well and has seen many more girls there than I have.
If you are going with your wife, you still can get some action. I read about some new place you can go to during the day. I'm sure you're wife will go shopping for a few hours and you can get a quick session in.
I can tell you that PBA I will NEVER pay a US escort again. Nothing can compare with being in the arms of a gorgeous girl in Buenos Aires, waking up next to her, then watching her go out the door only to have another hot Buenos Aires girl a few hours later... (even in a crappy bed). Ha, ha.....Life is good!
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Saint--
You hit the nail right on the head about Post Buenos Aires syndrome: It "cures" of the desire to ever for a US Escort again.
You become completely spoiled by Argentina girls (and more probably) the incrediably low prices for sex.
It seems the very summit of absurdity to pay some American Escort $300 for poor or bad service--for a lousy hour!!!
In Buenos Aires---$300 dollars equals $1050 pesos....You know from experience that the same amount of money would get you a hot 22 year old 7,8 or 9 (better than anything you could ever find in America) for an entire weekend. And the sex would be phenomenal. Nothing like the clock watching escorts in LA.
American escorts are the worst. And the prettier they are--usually the more phony, the worse their attitude is....
Viva Las Mujeres de Argentina!
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Larry, Saint and other BA buddies:
I agree wih Larry that I'll NEVER see an American escort again now that I've been to Buenos Aires 3 times and enjoyed the unbelievable style of getting laid with some of the most beautiful and charming women in the universe. But one nice thing that I've taken advantage of here in the states is that there are often genuine Argentinian escorts living or visiting the US that do business here in exactly the same style as they do in BA. I've seen two lovelies from BA already in the states, one right in my backyard while she was living within a 40 minute drive from my home and office and another who works in Black in BA while she was visiting and working in S. Florida. They both gave me the unparalleled service and GFE that I've grown to love in BA. One of them, Nataly, a gorgeous redhead from www.platynum.com went out for dinner with me in South Beach, we held hands, chatted comfortably in Spanish, shared a bottle of wine and great Argentinean steak dinner, made out on the street beside my car and then went to a motel and had some of the best sex of my life. Just like having an awesome girlfriend for the night! Will I do this again the next opportunity I have? You bet your ass!!
But in ending I do have to repeat that BA is so awesome in every respect that it takes my breath away and makes me want to rejoice in being a hot-blooded American man with a taste for the tastiest women on the planet!! Happy mongering,DownBA
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Greetings Gentlemen,
I have visited this site several times in the past week, and want to thank you all for your insightful comments. I have some questions, but also interested in any other thoughts you can share about Argentina for a first time visitor.
Up until recently, I had been planning a return trip to Europe this summer. I wanted to head back to eastern europe; Prague, Vienna, Budapest, but have given pause after reading about Buenos Aires here.
My first questions is with regards to the weather in Argentina during July, I am aware of the seasonal opposites with America, however, I've never been there so I'm curious what you all have experienced in their winter; how cold? does it rain constantly? etc.
Your postings about the women have been quite inspiring, as I've encountered many of the same issues you've compared with American escorts, I've traveled for business to many cities, and have sampled Atlanta, Las Vegas, New Orleans, to name a few.
I've been to Amsterdam about 4 times, for business and pleasure, but last year visited Prague for the first time. I was very impressed with "the scene" in Prague, I met some very fun women and had a great time. As much as I love Prague, and want to return again, I'm very curious about Buenos Aires now.
Admittedly, the financial advantages of the US Dollar to the Peso are quite appealing, but there seems to be more to your feelings about BA than just the exchange rates. Comparing the Dollar-Euro exchange to the Dollar-Peso exchange really catches my eye.
I had planned to do a back-packing trip for three weeks in europe, because it's easy to get around by train. As I consider changing my plan to Argentina, I'd appreciate any thoughts you could share about what type of travel sites I should see in addition to Buenos Aires, given that it'll be July.
After reading some of your posts, I think I may rent an apartment in BA for the first week, then travel a bit, returning to BA during the third week.
For some reason "Lonely Planet" travel books don't share any of the pearls-of-wisdom about meeting women...so I humbly ask for your guidance.
Thanks,
keg
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Keg,
I know you won't regret your decision to go to Buenos Aires over Europe. Actually you might think you are in Europe. As L.A. Larry described earlier, you might feel like you are in Europe (at least if you are in the Recoleta area). I can't say the same thing for the rest of the city. They don't call B.A. the "Switzerland of South America" for nothing.
Some Observations:
**** The exchange rate is amazing. This is truly a unique situation and these kind of occurrences do not happen often. Their financial crises is especially severe and will take a while to correct itself. The other day it went over 3.5 to the dollar. Anything over 3 in my book is awesome!
**** If you are dead set on "backpacking"....bring your backpack and go on a journey for those of us stuck in the USA. Visit some other small towns and give us new material. I'd love to hear about new areas. Maybe take the train and hit towns like La Plata, Mar del Plata, and the other many cities around B.A.
**** The girls on Platynum were the girls that showed up at your door but in my humble opinion they aren't as good looking as their pictures. Keep in mind they are posting their best pictures with make up, good lighting, some pics might not be that up to date. I met Adrianna and I totally trust her and her site but the few girls I met looked better on their website than in person. Don't get me wrong. I had a great session with all of them but many of the girls in B.A. don't wear that much make up. Sometimes it makes a big difference. I saw 3 girls from the Area-VIP site and they all looked much better on the site. (Although my friend saw Candela from Area-VIP and he said she was better in person. I dont' think she is on the site anymore though).
Some good websites for Buenos Aires girls:
www.platynum.com.ar
www.escorts-argentina.com
www.area-vip.com.ar
www.sensualbaires.com
www.mundoapart.com.ar
**** I think Larry is right. If you are in town for more than a week and go to Playwoman or Black's every single night it could get semi uncomfortable shooting down the same women every night. Break up your trip and hit La Plata a night or two. Also, Jackson mentioned there are tons of other great clubs. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I didn't really like Hooks, Ness and that other club next to it. But maybe it was an off night when I visited.
**** As far as the weather I got really lucky but when I left it rained a lot so you might want to bring a good umbrella. It doesn't get that cold down there but to them 55 degrees is "freezing".
Check out this website for a perspective on weather
http://www.weatherbase.com/weather/weather.php3?s=067578&refer=
**** If you want to rent an apartment I can refer you to a girl that speaks English fluently that can help you arrange a good deal. She is fairly tied in to the community down there and can negotiate good rates for you. Stays of 3 nights or longer is the only criteria for her to work with you on an apartment rental. You may want to check out tons of nice hotel-apartment places too. There are a ton of them.
*** Good websites for good airfair to B.A.
http://www.hotwire.com
http://www.orbitz.com
http://www.us.despegar.com
**** Bring plenty of money with you. Who knows if the banks will shut down again. Also, if you get money exchanged make sure you get Federal Notes. They have some Provencial notes there and some people have had problems with it. When you visit a Casa de Cambio (money exchange place) make sure you look at all the money they give you and it is the Federal Money with the security measures like on our new Currency. Their money is the exact same size as US Currency so the bills will fit in your wallet.
Always pay in pesos! You get the best rate that way. Most of the places did not have smaller 2, 5, 10 or 20 peso notes. Try as I did I couldn't really get any. Sometimes in a taxi I had to just give them $1 bills and when I ran out a few times I had to give them $5 bills which is expensive since I had no smaller bills. All the exchange houses give you big 100 or 50 peso notes. Many people will say they don't have change. My suggestion is to bring a ton of $1 bills with you.
**** Also bring some Pepto Bismol with you. I had a hard time finding it even in the pharmacies in the Recoleta area. They had some kind of Mylanta chewable pills but they didn't work that well. Finally one of my amigos gave me a bottle he got in the pharmacy there. I also brought like 6 brand new toothbrushes before going down based on a friend's advice. I gave one to each chica that did an all nighter. They all appreciated it. It's the little thoughtful things that make the difference sometimes. I also brought some gifts with me like small stuffed animals, chocolates, etc. with me to give to each of the girls. They all really appreciated it. Bring any other medicine that you use here that you might need. You probably can find it there but why risk it.
**** Bring plenty of condoms! You're gonna need them. All the girls have their own but some only had a few and if you go multiple rounds you can burn through a ton quickly. The girls all must really like US Condoms. Several of them stopped me a few times because they couldn't believe I had one on. They thought it broke or something but none broke.
I'm sure much of this information is repeated earlier in posts. I'm sure I also left out a ton of stuff. Hopefully it helps you. Take the time to go back to the archives and read the valuable information. Also, you new guys going please take the time to post your updated information. Don't just take from this site....give some back. Thanks!
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Yes, by all means bring American condoms. I had a session with Carim/Definia/Sophia A.K.A. a whole bunch of other names (I'll post about that session later.) She used some local condoms that felt like bicycle inner tubes to me.
Also if you check the archives you'll that several chaps where charged 10 pesos for a condom when they came up empty handed.
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Saint,
Thanks for all the great info. from your posts, they were great. You mentioned an English speaking women who arranges apartment rentals, can you provide her name and number (or e-mail if possible), I'm planning a trip to BA in Oct. or Nov. I always rent apartments when I go to Rio and would like to do same in BA. When is your next trip to Argentina?? I'm always looking to hook up with fellow travelers, chasin' the Chica's is always more fun with a wingman.
I'm off to Rio in July. I'll post on the other board when I return. I've always had a blast in Rio but BA sounds like a blast too.
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Business will me bring down to BA in a couple of weeks for a few days. From what I can tell, most the action is around the Recoleta area. What hotel is close to that area? My time is very limited so I would appreciate knowing of any suggestions for best hot spots? If any of the normally mentioned clubs are closed due to financial situation, please advise. Post or feel free to e mail directly at [email]asiaman18@hotmail.com[/email]. Also any phone numbers of girls that will come to the hotel will also be helpful. As I said I have limited hunting time.
Thanks all
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No problem Rxhammer. Email me and I'll provide you with her email. Although, please don't mention the chicas with her. I'm sure she wouldn't care but still. My next trip is in December for 15 or 16 days. (saintofba@hotmail.com)
Asiaman, as far as the Recoleta area. I really liked it a lot. Black's and Playwoman were in Recoleta but different strokes for different folks. As hard as it is for me to imagine, you might not like Playwoman or Blacks (although I think there is every type in those 2 clubs). Recoleta is the nicest part of town. As far as hotels in that immediate area, I noticed three of them.
(1) Alvear Palace ([url]http://www.alvearpalace.com/indexen.htm[/url]) Hands down the best hotel in the city. If money is no object I would book here. Even with the economic turmoil a room still goes for over $200 US/ night. It is immaculate though.
(2) LoiSuites ([url]http://www.loisuites.com.ar/ingles/Recoletai/recoletai.htm[/url]). Also right in the heart of the action. Very close to Playwoman and Restaurant Row. Looked very new and modern. Rates right now for a Junior suite are running about $120 US/ night.
(3) Etoile ( [url]http://www.etoile.com.ar[/url])
The location is hard to beat. The staff was outstanding. The rooms were big. The rates were GREAT but I'm not sure I'd stay here again due to the poor beds. You might want to consider it though. It's hard to beat those prices and the location as mentioned is outstanding. Here are the rates cut and pasted from an email from Maria Julieta in Reservations. She is great by the way.
Standard Room: $110 pesos + tax ( 21% )
Executive Suite: $132 pesos + tax ( 21% )
Diplomatic Suite: $154 pesos + tax ( 21% )
Email her at: [email]hotel@etoile.com.ar[/email] to make a reservation.
As far as the girls go, ANY of them will come to your hotel room. I'm not providing phone numbers on a public board. All the girls on any of those websites I listed below will come to your room. It doesn't get any easier than this no matter how busy you are. Good luck.