Street Crime

PM out, Moore.

Edited to add: The restaurant refused to call the police, which I thought was odd, but they did call an ambulance. The hospital called the police after I arrived and they came to the ER to take my report.

And no, they did not even reach for my cell phone or bag. It was very, very fast and almost surgical.

What did they look like? Age, clothes, race, size?

[QUOTE=Breakawaytx]PM out, Moore.

Edited to add: The restaurant refused to call the police, which I thought was odd, but they did call an ambulance. The hospital called the police after I arrived and they came to the ER to take my report.

And no, they did not even reach for my cell phone or bag. It was very, very fast and almost surgical.[/QUOTE]The restaurant doesn't want the bad pub. Good luck to you. As an aside, there is clearly an increase in crime in the tonier areas of Capital Federal. Not that my castellano is worth a damn, but if you only read the BA Herald you won't get the info about increasing street crime in Palermo, and as noted here by Breakawaytx, in Recoleta. I am definitely not an alarmist, but the advise about dressing down and leaving the Rolex at home is advice well taken.

Normal precautions would include not wearing a fancy watch, I would think. I'm sorry you had that experience. I wonder if those were the same "world's best thieves" that robbed Saint. The locations are very similar.

I fail to see how you were lucky. I also wonder if your Black chica set you up. She was in your pad, she saw your watch, she told some of her friends to watch your place, etc.

Moral of the story: Be like me. Dress like shit.

I am staying just around the corner from where you were attacked today. I was in session at 2pm with a favorita or I might have been on your sidewalk or possibly even in that cafe at that time. I normally eat lunch around 2 - 2:30pm. I like to stay close to my apartment so I usually dine at one of the restaurants near Vicente Lopez next to the Recoletta Hotel! I'm sorry this happened to you and I'm even sorrier about the response by the police.

Coach

[QUOTE=Moore]What did they look like? Age, clothes, race, size?[/QUOTE]I couldn't really say much, aside from stocky, middle-aged men, since I didn't see the first punch coming. Definitely not kids, though.

As an aside, every single porteno guest at that restaurant came over to offer assistance and their personal apologies for what happened. They were clearly mortified. I still love this country and its fine people.

Hey does anyone know what the law in BA is regarding carrying mace or a stun gun. I usually dress casual, but I sometimes wear nice watches and sometimes dress nice. I am just wondering because I don't mind getting into a good ol' scrap but if there are usually multiple attackers or they have a weapon, a nice stun gun or mace might do some good.

Badboy

[QUOTE=Badboy13]Hey does anyone know what the law in BA is regarding carrying mace or a stun gun. I usually dress casual, but I sometimes wear nice watches and sometimes dress nice. I am just wondering because I don't mind getting into a good ol' scrap but if there are usually multiple attackers or they have a weapon, a nice stun gun or mace might do some good.

Badboy[/QUOTE]I don't know the laws here, but consider this:

A stun gun is a contact weapon - meaning that you have to be within arm's reach to employ it. So, if your attacker is armed, you will probably get shot or stabbed. Plus, they are not consistent when layers of clothes are involved.

Mace is a straight up joke. I had a pissed off GF mace me once just for spite, and it did nothing more than make me really angry.

Unless they are unarmed, just give them what they want and live to tell the tale.

Lets see first this guy goes to Black, breaks every rule in the book, and then gets mugged inside a Recoleta restaurant. He has a grand total of four post, and two of those are follow ups. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!:rolleyes::confused:

[QUOTE=Breakawaytx]I don't know the laws here, but consider this:

A stun gun is a contact weapon - meaning that you have to be within arm's reach to employ it. So, if your attacker is armed, you will probably get shot or stabbed. Plus, they are not consistent when layers of clothes are involved.

Mace is a straight up joke. I had a pissed off GF mace me once just for spite, and it did nothing more than make me really angry.

Unless they are unarmed, just give them what they want and live to tell the tale.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the comments, though I would still like to know what the laws in BA are.

I have personally used stun guns and mace and they work extremely well. I don't really know what you are talking about. If you get mace directly in someones face, they can't see, some people get violent allergic reactions on contact, I have personaly seen some people almost die when taking a full shot in their mouth. I have taken a few shots myself at a few night clubs by some scurred bouncers in LA, and even though it didn't cause any real damage, it completely impaired my ability to fight, dude I couldn't see shit. And my dumb mother fucker friends poured bottled water on my face, which only made shit worse. So umm, if anyone is willing to test Breaks theory out just PM me, I have a face full of mace for you, lets see if it only makes you "angry". You need to know how to use it ofcourse, just like any weapon, but if used properly it can work.

Sorry but I love that stuff, and you are correct about stun guns being mainly used for close contact, but umm, they have many kinds of stun guns and some you can shoot at quite a nice distance. But one of my favorite techniques is pulling out the stun gun and instead of swinging back, I would much rather get a clear shot of the jugular or carotid.

I am not advocating anyone" fighting back " when getting robbed, I am mainly asking if anyone knows what the laws are in BA regarding such weapons for MY own personal safety. If someone doesn't think these things work thats fine with me, from my own personal experience, I think, when used properly, they work just fine.

Badboy

[QUOTE=Punter 127]Lets see first this guy goes to Black, breaks every rule in the book, and then gets mugged inside a Recoleta restaurant. He has a grand total of four post, and two of those are follow ups. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!:rolleyes::confused:[/QUOTE]If you have a problem with me or with my responding to questions, just say so. Not that I really care.

[QUOTE=Breakawaytx]PM out, Moore.

Edited to add: The restaurant refused to call the police, which I thought was odd, but they did call an ambulance. The hospital called the police after I arrived and they came to the ER to take my report.

.[/QUOTE]Maybe this is why the bald guy at El Yugo keeps the door locked?

I wouldn't doubt that when you paid the 300 usd for a chica in Black it caused a flag to go up ending with you being robbed. They probably figured if a guy can pay that for a chica he must have stuff worth stealing. When a chica demands 200p and I walk away with 150p being my starting and ending offer nobody suspects I am worth robbing.

Pepper spray ("Halt") is a good alternative to Mace and you can use it on dogs. It has the added advantage of containing a dye that marks the assailant.

Now I remember I was confusing Saint's "world's best thieves," who were not on a motorbike, with the guy who got his "Rolodex" stolen off his wrist in that neighborhood. [b]Those[/b] were the guys with the same M. O.

I'm not sure where I read about it, but one of the crime modes in BA is to spray an oil / mustard / spice / recipe on unsuspecting tourists. Someone comes by to offer "help" and uses the opportunity to grab wallets, purses, cameras, backpacks, etc.

Yesterday, I was walking down Libertador on my way to the Retiro Station. A middle-aged man pulled on my arm and pointed out a large blotches of muddy looking stuff on my pants. I immediately distanced myself from him and he jumped into a car that was conveniently parked on the curb nearby.

I told someone else about the incident and they immediately asked me if I was in Recoleta when it happened. When I said "yes" they said they had heard of a couple of other similar incidents in the past few weeks, but the others had been robbed because they did not realize what was going on.

Cuidado guys.