Chica Prices

[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]There is a two tiered system, when one Yanqui pays too much regardless of the model test driven, the price goes up for all Yanquis at that dealership.[/QUOTE][blue]Hi DR,

Oh course this phenomenon exists to a certain extent, but I also believe that it's up to each individual to bull past any personal stereotype casting issues that they encounter in life.

A visitor armed with the collective knowledge of this forum should be able to mitigate the "Yanqui" factor.

A resident should already be experienced in circumventing the "Yanqui" factor entirely.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Flsailor] <major snip> I have had a few other experiences since the one I posted here. Truly, I am still considering if I should report them given the reception I had with my first report.[/QUOTE]Please don't deprive the majority of us of your reports because of the few negative reponsives you've gotten to your first report.

Bob

I want to second that - Flsailor and all others, the reports are valuable regardless of what others think. We should all respect each others approach, from the bargain to top-shelf approaches.

It was my first visit to BA a few weeks back. I benefited greatly from the forum so thanks to all for sharing.

I went out with this Brazilian chica from NewPort a few times. She asked for $300p but we settled on $250p for a couple of hours. What it cost me is irrelevant to the topic. What she shared with me is on topic.

She confirmed that she has a two tiered system: one for South Americans ($200p) and another for North Americans and Europeans ($300p) From us the minimum she will accpet is $250, and she prefers to go home alone than accept anything less from us. Her behavior with other men on nights she was not with me supported her words.

Her argument was that a few years ago before the crash our cost of entertainment was $200US ($200p) Nowadays our cost of entertainment should be the same $200US ($600P) Based on this logic she thinks she is already giving us a deep discount at $300p.

This same argument should apply for men from other South American countries but it doesn't. Maybe because they speak spanish.

[QUOTE=Gipse]Her argument was that a few years ago before the crash our cost of entertainment was $200US ($200p) Nowadays our cost of entertainment should be the same $200US ($600P) Based on this logic she thinks she is already giving us a deep discount at $300p.

This same argument should apply for men from other South American countries but it doesn't. Maybe because they speak spanish.[/QUOTE] Did you remind her that her " goods " have aged during these past five years. And that there is a boatload of new talent coming fresh from Brazil and Paraguay and the Argentine provinces willing to fuck for 150 pesos?

Sometimes these old chicks really need a reality check,

Bad

[QUOTE=Badboy13]Did you remind her that her " goods " have aged during these past five years. And that there is a boatload of new talent coming fresh from Brazil and Paraguay and the Argentine provinces willing to fuck for 150 pesos?

Sometimes these old chicks really need a reality check,

Bad[/QUOTE]Great post and wise negotiation lesson.

I would like to add an experiment in theory which is collective negotiation: If the same amount of mongers, or at least a big proportional % get into a club and collectively negotiate for the same amount of girls, the mongers would (in theory) obtain a flat reduced rate, all you have to do it's to attack certain clubs the same day at the same time. This (again in theory) could work in Orleans, salome, hook. The proposal is basically: Do you girls accept this flat fee we have, and all of you will get clientele, otherwise we mongers will move to another boliche. The only problem here could be an undercover traitor who offers a little more for a hot stunning special girl, and the extra amount offered keeps secretley agreed.

Same thing, but the opposite happens in the boliche, there will be always a girl more interested into doing business than others. The girls agreed a fee to protect their business, but there is always a traitor-girl who will accept a less money because she doesn't have a stable clientele, perhaps she is new, or she is not very graced. After all, girls are there to make money, they only pretend they don't care.

I am astonished how Flexible Horn reacted to Fsailor and my comments. Good to see that Jackson is still right on with his judgment after all those years. I like very much his car dealer ship comparison. Let the people drive and pay for whatever cars they want.

I am also glad to see that people tried to defend a newer member, which I am actually not, posted as a senior member under a different name (had to change)

Flexible Horn, change your attitude, and don't worry you will still find your bargains somewhere.

Jager.

[QUOTE=Flexible Horn]It's because of people like you I keep my special friends to myself, with your carefree attitude of fuck you Jack I'll do as I please I don't promote the good chicas I find. This stops you hopefully paying them twice what I pay.

I like to spend 10-12 weeks a time in BsAs and with 100+ 'encounters' every extra 50 or 60 pesos it soon add's up.

So if I don't post those chica details ie club names, chicas name, price, what we did; I CAN'T GET ON YOUR NERVES[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jager]I am astonished how Flexible Horn reacted to Fsailor and my comments. Good to see that Jackson is still right on with his judgment after all those years. I like very much his car dealer ship comparison. Let the people drive and pay for whatever cars they want.

I am also glad to see that people tried to defend a newer member, which I am actually not, posted as a senior member under a different name (had to change)

Flexible Horn, change your attitude, and don't worry you will still find your bargains somewhere.

Jager.[/QUOTE]Lets just see if I have this correct, I post details of a good session with a favourite chica; ie Club name, chicas name, price, time, intimate details.

Then Bobby bigshot comes along overpays the said chica and fucks it up for me next time and when I complain I'm getting on his nerves.

Then he is 'astonished' and tells me to change my attitude and not to worry.

Well Mr bigshot, don't patronize me, pay what ever you like, do as those other pricks did and buy the chicas a car then your be a really bigbig shot, it's your money afterall.

I just will not post anymore details of good sessions so people like you can not fuck it up for people like me.

FH is right! Some of you have the attitude that we are cheap skates and decide you can just throw your money around. "So what if I give her an extra 20,30 40 US? It's no big deal!" this is like you are selling pizza and someone comes and gives you twice the price you were asking before. Would you want to sell it to the next person for the same price. NO WAY. You now want to sell it for the new price. For the guys FH is talking about, if you want to burn your money please stick to Madahos or Black. On a trip in 2005 I snagged a really nice little girl from Madahos for 175 AR. Now I read on the board that they all will want at least 300 AR. What gives? Yes prices have gone up due to inflation but just not that much. You can go to the privado on Viamonte for 80AR for an hour and get anything on the menu. Now at Madahos there is an entrance fee, your drinks, the chica's drinks, the chica, one hour of probably basic sex at best. You are just below 500 AR! So when I return to BA this fall I will just get my takeout from the privado and stay away from the clubs. That is unless I bump into FH and we compare notes since I am not going to burn my money. In closing Jackson is right, people can pay what they want to. However, I guarantee the second you increase what you are paying this quickly becomes the new price and it becomes set in stone.

[QUOTE=Snowbird]. On a trip in 2005 I snagged a really nice little girl from Madahos for 175 AR. Now I read on the board that they all will want at least 300 AR. What gives? Yes prices have gone up due to inflation but just not that much. You can go to the privado on Viamonte for 80AR for an hour and get anything on the menu. Now at Madahos there is an entrance fee, your drinks, the chica's drinks, the chica, one hour of probably basic sex at best. You are just below 500 AR! So when I return to BA this fall I will just get my takeout from the privado and stay away from the clubs.[/QUOTE][blue]And yet Madahos and it's competitor twin La Lopez are packed every night, largely with affluent Argentinos who apparently are willing to pay these prices.

The driving forced behind these gradual price increases is the [u]local market demand[/u]. The Argentine economy has been improving, more Argentinos have money to spend, the domestic demand for chica services in the more upscale markets is up, and thus these chicas have raised their prices like the good little capitalists that they are.

My point is: Stop blaming the price increases on the tourists who in effect comprise a relatively small percentage of the market.

The good news is that demand spurs production and supply, and there are chicas arriving in Retiro every day looking for work, so I think that there is always going to be something here for every price point.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

If foreigners do not impact pricing then why did Costa Rica pricing go up as more foreigners went there? Almost everyone that regularly travels to CR states that CR has gone downhill and prices went up due to Americans and other foreigners.

When I have visited the clubs (both Triangle and Recoleta) I have noticed what appears to be quite a number of foreigners (Asians and Europeans mostly) per capita, and with their greater spending power even compared to the 'rich' Argentinos, they obviously can have a big impact.

I think there are people that refuse to admit the reality that we can have an impact-despite the CR experience. In BA with all the international businesses and international travelers they can have an impact (however I do not think the other Argentina cities are so impacted since there are much fewer INTL businesses and visitors, per capita) It is the same mentality that refuses to admit to Global Warming-we can't possible be the cause. This seems to be a justification to avoid having to admit to being the cause of the problem. To avoid accepting any responsibility-which is all the rage now in our society.

I would like to see the stats/article of that "relatively small percentage" of the market. What article or study supports that claim? The change in CR pricing is one piece of evidence indicating the opposite to be true.

Suerte.

Stowe

Lets start by saying this "Topic" is almost as popular as Global Warming - but not quite. Ironically, the real sticking point seems to be the guys bragging about how much they have paid (overpaid) not how little some have paid ("the cheap skates")

Can we agree on two premises here:

- It is your dick and your money, do with them both as you please.

- This "Board" exists for the benefit of it's users. That means providing information about services and products (chicas, restaurants, resident visas, etc...) - presumably with the idea of maximizing quality while minimizing price.

[QUOTE=Jackson][blue]Someone on this forum recently posted a comment to the effect of "How does what I pay for a Mercedes effect what you pay for a Chevy?" I agree with this analogy. The real objective should be not to pay the Mercedes price for the Chevy, but chastising the Mercedes buyer because he didn't pay the Chevy price for his Mercedes is just ridiculous.[/blue][/QUOTE]I do not recall too much criticism of the Big Spenders operating in the high-end Recoleta clubs. If guys want to drop 400-600p - go for it! How many times have you read from various "Cheap Skate" posters, "Please confine your overpaying activities to the Recoleta clubs (Madahos, Blacks, etc.". This is absolutely correct, confine your spending habits to the appropriate locale. The criticism has come when guys are paying $150 USD for 150p service. Because they either don't know any better or it makes them feel good to throw their money around. Today a new poster states he paid 300p + 40p propina. 40p propina for what I wanted to ask? The service must have been special, or he comes from a society where 15% is the norm - I. E. He doesn't know that this is a society that tips very little.

[QUOTE=Jackson][blue]To refute another favorite argument: Does the Chevy dealer raise his prices because he heard what the Mercedes dealer is charging for the Mercedes? No. In addition, no matter what someone pays for a Mercedes, there will always be Chevys for sale at Chevy prices for those who don't see any difference between the Mercedes and the Chevy.[/blue][/QUOTE]There are inherent differences in the cost of production of Chevys and Mercedes. Do you want to make an argument for the differences in the cost of production of a 50p privado snatch and the 500p Madahos snatch? I think you get the point - the difference in pricing is totally based on natural assets and the chicas level of self-esteem and confidence, with the later being more influential.

I think you have forgotten Rules of Chicaland #7: The value of her services is determined by the most she was ever paid by anyone for anything for any amount of time, plus a cost-of-living increase. Of course, The exception to this is if she knows, or knows of, or has heard of (see rule 2) a friend who once was paid more then that, in which case her value is that figure plus the percentage increase because her friend is just a puta and not worth as much as she is!

[QUOTE=Jackson][blue]One final note: For those of you who think that what the foreigners pay establishes the market price for pussy in Argentina, let me remind you that everything here is designed to serve the local Argentinos, with foreigners accounting for perhaps 5% of the total volume. Hardly a cartel, I think.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]Do we live in the same Buenos Aires? I think not! The next time you are walking around or happen to be in a restaurant, look at the signs in the windows that say: Dollars=3.3 pesos Euros=4.4 pesos. Are these not evidence of how influential the foreigner is. Your number of 5% may be accurate, BUT that 5% can heavily influence the pricing structure. Example: Let's say 10,000 Albanians visit BsAs every year. They just happen to be willing to pay double the normal going rate. Rest assured that all future Albanians will be quoted and charged double. There is also a carry over "association effect" to ALL non-Portenos. Even Spanish speaking tourists are taken for a pricing ride. All pricing feels upward pressure, which forces the Porteno to either pay-up or move to a lower pricing level of service.

With regards to your comments about the chicas being the "good little capitalists that they are", do you believe that they will lower their prices during the next economic downturn or crisis?

[QUOTE=Stowe]If foreigners do not impact pricing then why did Costa Rica pricing go up as more foreigners went there? Almost everyone that regularly travels to CR states that CR has gone downhill and prices went up due to Americans and other foreigners.[/QUOTE][blue]Yes, I agree with your summary of what happened in Costa Rica, where the business is designed to serve the foreigners (mostly Americans) who comprised 90+% of the market.

That's not the situation here in Buenos Aires, and I doubt that it ever will be for a number of reasons, including that it's too far from the USA and there's no beach.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Alan23]With regards to your comments about the chicas being the "good little capitalists that they are", do you believe that they will lower their prices during the next economic downturn or crisis?[/QUOTE][blue]Yes, of course. It's supply and demand. It's happened in the past and it will happen again in the future[/blue]

[QUOTE=Alan23] The criticism has come when guys are paying $150 USD for 150p service.[/quote][blue]As I've said repeatedly, the goal is to avoid paying the Mercedes price for a Chevy, not to avoid the Mercedes altogether.[/blue]