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I have to pay all of $130.00 each way for first class. However whan too many of you fucks are flying and the plane is full I end up holding my dick at the airport wishing I had bought a ticket.
As the pussy god gives so does he take.
I'll check about the hidden city and post it upon my return to the family manse this eve.
[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]I have to pay all of $130.00 each way for first class. However whan too many of you fucks are flying and the plane is full I end up holding my dick at the airport wishing I had bought a ticket.
As the pussy god gives so does he take.
I'll check about the hidden city and post it upon my return to the family manse this eve.[/QUOTE]
Well you pay the taxes on them, or a bit more. I'd take a $260 RT ticket any day of the week. I wouldn't work for an airline to do it though.
I'm sure that they'll figure a way to screw you out of it soon enough though. You have my symphathy. I wouldn't want to work in the airline biz these days.
[QUOTE=Stormy]The last United Chicago to BA nonstop will be June 6. It seems that United was not able to negotiate a new deal with the company who leases them the aircraft
so they (United) have to give the airplanes back. There will still be service on United through Washington. This was according to the Chicago Tribune today.
I really enjoyed that nonstop.[/QUOTE]
That explains the strange things I have been seeing past couple of days. All the sudden flights 854 and 856 for the next few months disappeared from United and all the travel booking websites. I am booked on those flights for my July trip. I called United today and was told the flights are still scheduled in fact they are fully booked. I will call again to comfirm the status.
Just got off the phone with United. My Chicago to BA flight in fact has been canceled. I rebooked on the flight out of Dulles. Now my outbound flight instead of only a two hour layover in Chicago (which I think it's perfect timing since I usually do not feel comfortable with a really short layover being having missed an international flight in the past becasue of delay from the first leg), I had a choice of a flight to Washington with an hour layover or one with over four hours layover to the EZE connection. I played it safe and booked the latter one. I hope IAD has a nice Red Carpet Club. The return flights are not much different from the original Itinerary. I also lose out on about 2000 miles on my Frequent Flyer account because of this routing change. :mad:
Do not, Do not, Do not book a milage ticket to Montevideo and get off in BsAs unless you do ALL of these things.
Do not check any bags you can not short check bags only carry on. When you return you MUST start in Montevideo. You may still end up getting your trip canceled but if you check in for the flight in Montevideo the argument would be "What do you mean I didn't fly from EZE to here, I sat in that stupid airport for 2 hours and got on the plane and got off here, its your machine that is fucked up."
However they may still screw you when they see your passport and see the entrance stamp for Argentina on the day you said you flew to Montevideo. You may be able to be an American asshole and get away with it but Daddy really doesn't think so. The waiters advice is to go to MVD if that is the only milage fare available, have some fun and take the ferry over and back to leave the country.
Sportsmen there is both a Red Carpet club and a First Class lounge near the gate for 847 (or 846) in the C concourse. Usually 847 leaves out of gate C-6 but lately was going out of C12. If you pm me with the flight you arrive in IAD I can direct you if you are unfamiliar with the airport. On your return I would suggest you give yourself a minimum of 3 hours between connections. Immigration at IAD sucks first you walk a mile to get to the fucking shuttle bus from the plane and invariably you get stuck at the back of the bus, then wait an hour at passport control. Then you have to get your bags back to United and clear security after customs and then go BACK to the concourse you just left. Sometimes where you return your bags there will be a United agent handing out expedite passes for TSA, sometimes not. If you can get one get it.
[QUOTE=Stormy]The last United Chicago to BA nonstop will be June 6. It seems that United was not able to negotiate a new deal with the company who leases them the aircraft
so they (United) have to give the airplanes back. There will still be service on United through Washington. This was according to the Chicago Tribune today.
I really enjoyed that nonstop.[/QUOTE]
Ooops! that's my routing for March! (BWI-ORD-EZE). I guess they will have to put me on a flight out of IAD...which is better for me, anyway.
[QUOTE=Tbird]Ooops! that's my routing for March! (BWI-ORD-EZE). I guess they will have to put me on a flight out of IAD...which is better for me, anyway.[/QUOTE]
Not necessary, the ORD to EZE flight is still on the schedule for dates after Dec 04, at least for the time being.
Looks like my IAD to EZE flight in July is fully booked now. It does not show up on any travel web site. I'm lucky to have gotten an aisle seat in Economy Plus.
Hmm... Oh yes, that's that area behind business, I had forgotten all about it.
I'll probably be stuck back there now on my next ten trips now for being an asshole. Fellow Mongerers do not be of faint heart, I'm telling you they will add the second flight again around September/October. They do this every year. I really think the reposession news is more to have leverage to fuck me at the bargaining table.
[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]Do not, Do not, Do not book a milage ticket to Montevideo and get off in BsAs unless you do ALL of these things.
Do not check any bags you can not short check bags only carry on. When you return you MUST start in Montevideo. You may still end up getting your trip canceled but if you check in for the flight in Montevideo the argument would be "What do you mean I didn't fly from EZE to here, I sat in that stupid airport for 2 hours and got on the plane and got off here, its your machine that is fucked up."
However they may still screw you when they see your passport and see the entrance stamp for Argentina on the day you said you flew to Montevideo. You may be able to be an American asshole and get away with it but Daddy really doesn't think so. The waiters advice is to go to MVD if that is the only milage fare available, have some fun and take the ferry over and back to leave the country.
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Daddy Rulz,
If it is true that it may be easier to get a free ticket to Montevideo via BA than only to BA but you do not recommend just getting off the plane at BA, do you think this approach will work:
Take flight 855 from ORD to EZE (7:40 pm to 11:45 am), continue on flight 847 from EZE to Montevideo (12:50 pm to 1:30 pm). Then start the return leg the same day on flight 846 from Montevideo to EZE (7:15 pm to 8:05 pm), ask for a layover at EZE (assuming that is allowed. I know US Airways allows a layover for overseas reward ticker at no extra cost, don’t know about United). Stay at BA until ready to go home on flight 854 (8:45 to 5:10 am).
The bad part about this is obviously the “outbound” trip is over 8 hours longer, which makes a very long trip.
Any comments?
Sportsman
I just flew from BA to Montevideo on United and it only cost $74.50 round trip or "return" if you are a Brit or an Ozzie, or "ida y vuelta" en castellano, including taxes and the $5 Travelocity fee, plus about $37 in airport taxes, so an option could be just to get the award to MDE and fly to EZE. However I am not sure if the fare would be the same MDE-EZE as it was EZE-MDE. The flight was fuckin' empty in both directions, though, so I imagine it wouldn't be too expensive. Or, you could take the Buquebus bus/boat combo and probably do it even cheaper. You can get from the airport in MDE to the Buquebus terminal in Tres Cruces for 22 pesos Uruguayan which is about 85 cents US. Just walk outside the terminal to the bus stop, get on the first bus that says "Montevideo," and get off in Tres Cruces. Piece of cake.
Don't really know, international ticketing rules are so fucking complex (it's kind of like the tax code, nobody really understands it that's why we can get away with fucking so many people). What you propose I see know problem with so long as you can book it. Let me add imaginary dates to see if I understand you correctly.
04 Jul 855 ORD-EZE/ 05 Jul 847 EZE-MVD/ 05 Jul MVD-EZE then some undetermined amount of time in BsAs say until 19 Jul 854 EZE-ORD. I don't see a problem with it if you can book it. My suspicion is that there will be some fare rule that disallows it. But if you can get away with it I'm all for it.
Here's an idea if you can't get an award ticket for the specific dates. Try to use your miles on a code share. Varig flys from MIA I think so you could use miles for ORD-MIA-GRU (Sau Paulo)-EZE and return. The itin sucks but it might get you there. I think Mexicana still does MEX-EZE but Mexicana is a code share not Star Alliance anymore so it might not work. Being an employee that doesn't do a lot of international ticketing I'm not fully up to speed and I could give a shit about miles for personal travel. But AC flying ORD-YYZ-EZE would. This would limit you to Y class and might be a SHITLOAD of miles but is worth investigating. Now another alternative is to find a corruptable UAL employee that will work out a deal with a travel pass....
"corruptable UAL employee"
Isn't that redundant?
No, I have never sold my passes nor do I expect to start. However I do know that some people do.
Daddy Rulz,
[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz] 04 Jul 855 ORD-EZE/ 05 Jul 847 EZE-MVD/ 05 Jul MVD-EZE then some undetermined amount of time in BsAs say until 19 Jul 854 EZE-ORD. [/QUOTE]
Yes, this is the type of itinerary I had in mind. I am still debating because the “outbound” trip is very long.
[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz] But AC flying ORD-YYZ-EZE would. This would limit you to Y class and might be a SHITLOAD of miles but is worth investigating. [/QUOTE]
I was offered AC flight to EZE via YYZ with a stop in Santiago, Chile. This flight arrives EZE around 2 pm. The return flight leaves EZE in the morning with a long layover in Santiago before leaving for YYZ in the evening. I could have gotten business class for the outbound flight only, but with coach for the return trip. However, the cost still would have been 80K miles even though I am getting busniess class for the outbound flight only.
Thanks for the feedback, I will continue to investigate ways to cash in my miles to the paradise!!! In the meantime, I just have to pay for it.
Sportsman
Discount airlines
hit latin america
as travelers flock to region,
cheap options proliferate;
rio to são paulo: $20
by amy chozick
staff reporter of the wall street journal
June 8, 2005; page d1
the discount-airline craze that has transformed travel in the u. S., europe and asia, is starting to take off in latin america.
Until recently, travelers covering long distances in countries like brazil, mexico, and peru had either to take expensive full-fare flights -- often offered only by small charter carriers -- or else hop aboard a bone-jarring long-distance bus. However, a fast-growing class of discount airlines is starting to establish itself as an alternative. In the past year or so, at least four budget airlines have started offering service or have added cross-border flights serving not only major cities but tourist spots as well. Modeled on discounters like ireland's ryanair and u. S.-based southwest airlines, the upstart latin carriers are offering fares as low as $20 between são paulo and rio de janeiro. In some cases, promotional one-way teaser fares have been less than a dollar.
Several new carriers are about to join the fray. In July, mexicana, mexico's leading international carrier, plans to launch click, a budget airline that will offer domestic routes from mexico city to popular but tough-to-reach beach towns like ixtapa on the west coast and puerto escondido, a onetime surfing hot spot now popular among nonsurfers drawn by its pristine beaches. Click also will take over mexicana's routes to popular caribbean spots such as cancún and playa del carmen, and is expected to apply discount-airline pricing formulas to them.
In December, brazilian startup gol linhas aéreas inteligentes sa launched service to buenos aires from são paulo with promotional fares starting around $167 (the lowest fare the brazilian government would permit at the time) each way, compared with $300 or so on the country's major carriers. This month, the no-frills airline -- expect cold snacks and economy seats -- will begin flights to santa cruz, bolivia, and also says it plans to add service to the capitals of uruguay and paraguay in the next few months.
The new airline competition corresponds with a surge in tourism to the region. With the the euro still strong against the dollar, u. S. Citizens are flocking south. While the u. S. Dollar has decreased by about 10% against the euro over the past two years, it has gained 7% against the mexican peso. In nicaragua, the dollar has been so strong against the córdoba that a night in a luxury hotel currently goes for about $15 to $25.
The relative bargains are driving up travel. International arrivals to central america are growing by nearly 11% a year, according to a study last year by the world trade organization. Tourism to belize has increased by 50% over the past five years, primarily due to new interest among cruise lines. Peru expects more than a million tourists this year and two million annually by 2010.
Flights to salvador, brazil, on gol's nighttime service -- nicknamed corujoes, or 'owls' -- are as low as $65 one way.
The carriers can offer substantial savings and convenience for travelers who know what to look for. Nature air in costa rica is serving new destinations like drake bay, a wilderness resort town on the beach that used to require a six-hour drive and two-hour boat ride to reach from san josé. (flight time: 40 minutes.) tikal jets has made it easier to reach guatemala's famed tikal ruins for $99 each way.
Air travel in the region has a reputation for being rough around the edges: lengthy delays are commonplace, and government oversight in the past tended to keep prices sky-high, until a recent wave of deregulation. While traveling on the discounters May be cost-effective, it can cause headaches for vacationers unfamiliar with the region. Some carriers use major airports, but others fly into out-of-the-way landing strips with little or no infrastructure. Costa rica's nature air, for instance, uses an old sandinista airstrip on its route between san josé and granada, nicaragua. Some little airports May make announcements only in spanish or portuguese. And on gol, the most affordable flights are offered as part of its night service. Nicknamed corujões (or "owls" in portuguese), these flights operate between 1 a. M. And 5 a. M.
The budget-airline movement in latin america comes at a time when discount carriers are dramatically reshaping the airline industry around the world. In the u. S., discounter southwest airlines has become one of the fastest-growing domestic carriers, expanding in recent years into nonstop transcontinental routes.
In europe, traditional airlines have lost market share to budget carriers such as ryanair and easyjet. Last month, iberia, spain's largest airline, announced that it would consider buying or creating a low-cost carrier of its own. In asia, competition among discounters is so heated that flights on popular routes such as hong kong to singapore have sunk as low as $25 each way.
The expansion of discounters in south america is happening as aviation officials are making it easier for carriers to add flights across borders. In May, regulators in peru and brazil signed an agreement to allow 28 flights a week between the two countries, more than triple the current quota of eight flights a week. A new peruvian airline, wayra peru, is expected to enter the market as early as this month, serving 12 peruvian cities including cuzco, the town closest to the machu picchu ruins.
The new airlines are primarily targeting the millions of middle- and lower-middle class latin americans fed up with shelling out for bumpy, cramped 10-hour-plus bus rides between cities -- trips that can cost as much as $75 to $100 on some routes.
However, the new airlines are aimed at foreign tourists as well. U. S.-based travelers can buy tickets on these carriers' own web sites, which typically have english options and allow bookings with major credit cards. Some of the airlines offer hotel and car-rental packages aimed at tourists. Tikal jets offers discounts at the radisson and grand tikal futura hotels in guatemala city when tickets are bought through the carrier's web site.
Almost none of these carriers is listed on the big online travel agencies like travelocity or orbitz.
Mexicana's click plans to offer code-share agreements with several carriers from abroad that will allow international travelers to transfer to click flights. Click says its site, clickmexicana. Com, will have an english option when it is launched in July.
Airlines remain a relative luxury in south america. According to avgroup inc., a miami-based aviation consultant, fewer than 10% of the 500 million people in latin america and the caribbean travel by air.
Brazil's gol airline -- named after the portuguese word for "goal" in soccer -- was founded by the family that controls the country's biggest bus-travel company. It was launched in 2001 with just six planes traveling to seven destinations within brazil. It now has 32 planes and flies to 40 airports.
Some carriers use smaller planes in their fleets. Nature air's aircraft are mostly 19-seat twin-engine planes. Tikal jets operates dc-9s, and gol uses boeing 737-700s. Civil-aviation authorities in south america require the budget airlines to meet the same aviation standards as established carriers.
Like many of the new discounters, nature air offers online booking and special web-only discounts on its web site, [url]www.natureair.com[/url]. Tikal Jets, Guatemala's national carrier, doesn't consider itself a low-cost carrier, but nevertheless it's targeting the low-fare end of the market as it expands. The airline, which also serves destinations in Belize and Cuba, offers special hotel/airfare package deals on its Web site, tikaljets.com.
Gol's Web site, [url]www.voegol.com[/url], has listed low-cost teaser fares in an effort to build buzz. For instance, some special fares between rio and são paulo have been listed as low as $20 each way, not including taxes or fees, compared with $160 or so, round trip, on major carriers. The airline currently accepts only american express for online international purchases, and u. S. Travelers can't print electronic tickets.
Gol's night-owl fares sometimes even undercut the price of bus tickets. For instance, a four-hour night flight from rio to the popular tourist city of salvador starts at $65 each way. By comparison, a first-class bus trip (which takes about 24 hours) would cost about $70 each wa
Please don't string an itin from larado to bsas on everyone of these carriers. I can see it allready "but daddy I can save $14.00 if I fly laredo-ixtapa-df-managua-san jose-david-bogota-cuzco-la paz-corrientos-rosario-jorge newberry and it's only on 9 different carriers and took 4 days.
I can see your face in baggage service. "what do you mean my bag is in samoa?"
Is aerolinas the only carrier now? I don't want to take the bus. I don't like the aeolinas non-argentine national's higher tiicket prices. Is there another choice? I'll be traveling in July, 2005.
No gringo premium, hot hot hot flight attendants and by buying a ticket you can also support the international drug trade.
[url]http://www.fly-sw.com/en/home.jsp[/url]
I have to drop somebody off at airport for 4:00 pm flight. Mine does not leave until 9:30 pm.
Anybody have any suggestions on where I could go to monger near airport on a Sunday to kill the time???
Thanks in advance
I don't understand why you would "have to" drop anyone off at the airport but that is plenty of time to take the MTL bus back downtown, monger for a while, and get back. San Martín 793 3A is open Sundays, for example, and that is right across from Orleans, and both are very close to the MTL station. The MTL takes about ten fewer minutes on a Sunday as compared to Monday through Friday.
Guys
What are the choices to flight directly from BA to Lima or Bogota ?
Thanks.
LAN to Lima
David thanks.
What could be the approximative cost of a one way ticket ?
I just got a super deal on a roundtrip Lima-BA-Lima for under $300 including Peruvian taxes (around 20%). Go to the LAN site and check it out. But purchase in the States, on the net, not in S.A. and avoid the local taxes.
[url]http://www.lan.com/index.html[/url]
Better check with an expert (there are some on the forum)...like Jaimito, because it looks to me like a one way costs more than round trip. Good luck.
After weeks of trying, hours online, and numerous phone calls, finally I got my business class award ticket on United! And it’s not through any hidden SA city either, direct to EZE via IAD on the way down and ORD coming back. The catch, it is not until Jan 06. I probably will have 3 paid trips between now and this freebie. I’m staying at Sheraton Libartador next week for the first time. If I like the hotel, I’ll use my Starwood Points again for a free room there. Now only if I can find some free p***ies would make this an ultimate trip. :D
Looks like about $320 for RT LIM-EZE on LAN. Not bad for a 4 hour or so flight. It's too bad Gol doesn't fly there, or it would be half the price.
I didn't find anything cheaper, although I will say that many low price carriers aren't easily found on the internet. Direct is nice sometimes.
If you are tired of searching Expedia or specific airlines and punching in locations and dates like I was, then another possible option might be skyauction. Com. I recently bid and won a rount trip ticket form NYC to Buenos Aires for 605 US Dollars. I thought that was a pretty decent price because the airlines are charging around 900 US dollars from NYC these days. Although I happen to be a very skeptical person I am starting to believe I will get the tickets because they confirmed travel dates and gave me a ups tracking number. I will keep you informed and let everyone know how my SkyAcution experince ended.
[quote=MrNewYork]if you are tired of searching Expedia or specific airlines and punching in locations and dates like I was, then another possible option might be Skyauction.com. I recently bid and won a rount trip ticket form NYC to Buenos Aires for 605 US dollars. I thought that was a pretty decent price because the airlines are charging around 900 US dollars from NYC these days. Although I happen to be a very skeptical person I am starting to believe I will get the tickets because they confirmed travel dates and gave me a ups tracking number. I will keep you informed and let everyone know how my skyacution experince ended.[/QUOTE]That sounds like similar operations as Priceline and Hotwire. Were you notify the exact airline and flight numbers before purchasing? And is your ticket eligible to earn frequent flyer mileage? Priceline and Hotwire tickets usually are not eligible.
[QUOTE=Sportsman]That sounds like similar operations as Priceline and Hotwire. Were you notify the exact airline and flight numbers before purchasing? And is your ticket eligible to earn frequent flyer mileage? Priceline and Hotwire tickets usually are not eligible.[/QUOTE]Sportsman, I think it is very similar to those operations except that it's more of a horse and ass pony show run out of Madison ave in NYC. I found this [url]http://www.bbbnewyork.org/businessreports/Default.aspx?id=65816[/url] from a post on another form and it looks like they get a ton of complaints. Makes me wonder why I bid.
On a more promising note, the plane tickets were delivered in the mail today and they look real enough. There was also a note telling me to confirm with my airline 72 hours before departure in case of cancellations or delays. We will see if I ever make it to ba.
To answer your?'s I was notified during the auction that the winner would be flying on argentine aerolinas but not given flight number be / c the auction was for a trip "anytime from now till march 2006". The frequent flier mileage has not been determined yet, and I don't know how I am going to apply for it. There is a chance I might get some ff credit when I check in at the airport with my tickets or maybe I will get retro credit after the trip. Even though I've never flown argentine aerolinas before I just singed up for their program and I will try to get some miles and I will let you know what happend.
Peace out
When you buy these unbelievable low fares one of the things you give up is protection. When you buy a priceline ticket there is no "fare value" on the ticket, it says "bulk" in place of the fare. If nothing goes wrong no problem but if something bad happens, cancelled flight, broken airplane etc. Then the airline your traveling on can't really move you to another as your ticket has no value.
Rule 7 something D of the IATA agreements says that one the same day of travel AA can move you to another IATA member airline for the face value of your ticket. If your ticket has no face value (priceline, travelocity et al) then the contracted carrier has to reissue the ticket for the full Y fare. Since they sold that seat last year to priceline based on unused capacity for a couple hundred dollars they will not (unless I'm on the counter and you have SPECTACULAR hooters on display, none of you qualify) turn around and essentially buy a walkup fare for you. Have there been instances where people have been rebooked, yes. Can you count on it, no? Why? Because when you buy a priceline ticket on Delta, YOU are not a Delta customer, YOU are a PRICELINE customer, priceline is Delta's customer.
The terms and conditions that most people don't read stipulate that the contracted carrier is not obligated to rebook you on anything if your flight doesn't go REGARDLESS of the reason. The airline sold space to the Internet travel agency for that flight, that day, and nothing more. Again the long suffering over abused airline Joe (me) may choose to help you, but he (me) is not obligated to. (Hint people who fucking yell at me get pricelines fucking 800 number and I call the next person in line) Most Airlines will rebook you on their next available flight no problem. Sometimes that may be days later though. It's always a trade off price / flexibility.
Is all of this a big deal? Not really unless your in ATL, DFW, ORD, IAD, MIA, JFK and starting in November IAH and the gate agent says "sorry folks we have a small problem with the plane" then your sweating. None of you better ever say that nobody told you because Daddy just did. If you want to gamble that's fine, but don't b1tch when you flip a set and the other guys got a flush, you made the bet when you called it.
While I'm on my rant, the asshole (who may not be a member of this board) that was bitching to me about not knowing you need a visa for Brazil (I know this is Argentina but I'm on a roll) do you need somebody to tell you to wipe your ass after you take a shit as well. Jesus I can't fucking stand adults that refuse to be responsible for their own ignorance and refuse to educate themselves.
Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]When you buy these unbelievable low fares one of the things you give up is protection. When you buy a priceline ticket there is no "fare value" on the ticket, it says "bulk" in place of the fare. If nothing goes wrong no problem but if something bad happens, cancelled flight, broken airplane etc. Then the airline your traveling on can't really move you to another as your ticket has no value.
Rule 7 something D of the IATA agreements says that one the same day of travel AA can move you to another IATA member airline for the face value of your ticket. If your ticket has no face value (priceline, travelocity et al) then the contracted carrier has to reissue the ticket for the full why fare. Since they sold that seat last year to priceline based on unused capacity for a couple hundred dollars they will not (unless I'm on the counter and you have SPECTACULAR hooters on display, none of you qualify) turn around and essentially buy a walkup fare for you. Have there been instances where people have been rebooked, yes. Can you count on it, no? Why? Because when you buy a priceline ticket on Delta, YOU are not a Delta customer, YOU are a PRICELINE customer, priceline is Delta's customer.
The terms and conditions that most people don't read stipulate that the contracted carrier is not obligated to rebook you on anything if your flight doesn't go REGARDLESS of the reason. The airline sold space to the Internet travel agency for that flight, that day, and nothing more. Again the long suffering over abused airline Joe (me) may choose to help you, but he (me) is not obligated to. (Hint people who fucking yell at me get pricelines fucking 800 number and I call the next person in line) Most Airlines will rebook you on their next available flight no problem. Sometimes that may be days later though. It's always a trade off price / flexibility.
Is all of this a big deal? Not really unless your in ATL, DFW, ORD, IAD, MIA, JFK and starting in November IAH and the gate agent says "sorry folks we have a small problem with the plane" then your sweating. None of you better ever say that nobody told you because Daddy just did. If you want to gamble that's fine, but don't b1tch when you flip a set and the other guys got a flush, you made the bet when you called it.
While I'm on my rant, the asshole (who may not be a member of this board) that was bitching to me about not knowing you need a visa for Brazil (I know this is Argentina but I'm on a roll) do you need somebody to tell you to wipe your ass after you take a shit as well. Jesus I can't fucking stand adults that refuse to be responsible for their own ignorance and refuse to educate themselves.
Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Calm down, why all the hostility?
We all know low risk, low reward / loss. High risk, high reward / loss. As with most, if not all buisness adventures. You are right. These state your own price airfare deals are a gamble. But last week I bought 4 yankees tickets off ebay for 36 dollars including shipping, took a friend, and sold the remaining 2 tix for 40 dollars. So it looks like I'm the one on the roll so why should I stop throwing the dice now, daddy? Anyways, unless you are a lawyer no one will complain to you when things go wrong. In which case you get paid for doing acutual work.
I would agree not to use Priceline or Hotwire for airline tickets, in particular international tickets.
For hotel rooms they're great if you know you're going to be there. However, for air tickets, no knowing what times you're flying, in most cases no FF mileage and the problems if you need to change tickets FAR outweigh the slight savings.
You can find $600 tickets to BA from NYC pretty regularly. AA has sales there a lot. I would not credit any miles to a foreign carrier unless you know you will fly them often. See if they have a US partner, and credit them there. If your ticket is marked Bulk or such, you probably won't get miles anyway.
I often get the same dollar value in mileage from a trip as the ticket cost.
Just came back from a trip to NY that originated in Buenos Aires. BsAs - NY and return via Aerolineas Argentina. I arrived at NY pre-check in at JFK and the Arg attendant starts to go spastic because I'm a US passport flying to Argentina without proof of a return flight. Am I going to have to buy a ticket on the spot? Am I going to be able to make my flight? Anxiety rising!
Fortunately a nice and knowledgeable chica attendant tells him the rule is you can fly without a return as long as you have a credit card or cash proof that you can buy a return ticket if they turn you around and send you back in Argentina. I flash a credit card. She navigated him in his computer to some page that had the rule. End of crisis. On to baggage check in.
If you like staying in Argentina as long as possible when traveling I recommend Aerolineas Argentina. About $100 more than American Air, e. G. But friendly attendants, less of the imperial capitalist marketing, free wine with dinner, you travel with mostly Argentineans and economy seats were surprisingly comfortable / sleepable even if you don't luck out and get a row to yourself.
[QUOTE=MrNewYork]Calm down, why all the hostility?
But last week I bought 4 Yankees tickets off ebay for 36 dollars including shipping, took a friend, and sold the remaining 2 tix for 40 dollars. So it looks like I'm the one on the roll so why should I stop throwing the dice now, Daddy? Anyways, unless you are a lawyer no one will complain to you when things go wrong. In which case you get paid for doing actual work.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, international airline tickets v 4 tickets to see the Yanks play. Does the stadium often have mechanical problems forcing the cancelation of the game, and if it does are you frequently forced to pay for a hotel room you reserved but won't be using, not to mention the loss of a days vacation?
I'm not generaly a hostile person however people that scream amd swear at me because they chose to not inform themselves generaly piss me off. As far as "actual work" most days I'm tossing bags in 100 plus degree weather, not bitching, I enjoy my job, but I qualify for preforming work. It's usually not the Lawyers but the fat, overindulged gringas that do the screaming. My distaste for them has been amply documented in the "American Woman" section of the WSG.
The point I was trying to make is the Joe at the ticket counter is the one trying to help you, people abuse us on a daily basis (watch Airlines on A & E) we are empowered to do a lot of stuff but we are not required to. The old adage of bitching until you get the boss doesn't really work for my airline anymore, most days I have no supervisor present. Be the one smiling face in a long line of assholes and you may be the one that I rebook in first class on a compeating airline even though you have a Y ticket because that's all that's available. (I did that for a couple going to Australia for their honeymoon last week) Be another one of the assholes telling me I'm incompetant and your going to sue not only the airline but me personally and you will be going home to return in 3 or 4 days because that's the next available why space I have.
As always I remain your humble servant regarding the ins and outs of Airline travel.
Re Bacchus' post: I just returned from the US and to CYA I bought my next trip to Uruguay on the boat. When I boarded (Delta) in the US, I said, "I have proof of onward travel within 90 days." They didn't give a shit either way.
Boy are there a lot of fat cows of all ages and genders in the Atlanta airport, where I spent about 8 hours, twice.
I recently bought a ticket to BA on Delta. ATL to BA was 1150 on delta. LAX to BA via ATL was 678 only. Same flight.
[QUOTE=Donsat]I recently bought a ticket to BA on delta. ATL to BA was 1150 on delta. LAX to BA via ATL was 678 only. Same flight.[/QUOTE]Yes, competition is great. I think we'll see a 10-20% reduction on some of the high fares ($800+) once CO starts flying in.
I flew the same LAX-ATL-EZE for $389 or $399 on DL in late April. Not my favorite choice, but it's hard to beat the fare. If you don't look at any of the travel forums, I'd recommend setting up a Travelocity.com account, and setting it so that it will email you when the rates drop below a certain point. Most of the super-duper fares last a few days at the most.
I could be mistaken, I'll check and edit if I am, Travelosity is one of the few internet travel agency's that give you a ticket with the fare value on the ticket. So you would avoid the problems I mentioned before with priceline. Not 100% sure but pretty sure, it's either travelocity or cheaptickets. Com.
[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]I could be mistaken, I'll check and edit if I am, Travelosity is one of the few internet travel agency's that give you a ticket with the fare value on the ticket. So you would avoid the problems I mentioned before with priceline. Not 100% sure but pretty sure, it's either travelocity or cheaptickets. Com.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about discount tickets? Travelocity has some $ of coupons sometimes, but not in the line of Site59 or Priceline / Hotwire. All their tickets that I've bought from them always show the pricing in the reservation.
JC what I'm talking about is a fare value associated with the ticket. In the priceline TICKET, not on the web site when the price is quoted, but the actual ticket that is issued. Regardless if the ticket is paper or electronic on the lower left there will be what is called the "fare ladder" this is where fare, and taxes are shown seperatly adding up to the total price of the ticket. On a piceline ticket it will look something like this.
Fare BULK.
X tax $22.50
Why tax $23.20
Blah blah blah, a ticket like this is not subject to IATA rule number 720 D (I think thats the number, I don't work the ticket counter much anymore) which is the agreement between IATA airline members to accept each others passengers based on available space during irregular operations. The airline that accepts you agrees to fly you for the face value of your ticket. A priceline ticket has no face value so no other airline has to accept you unless your original airline is willing to reissue the ticket. Then the original airline pays the full fare for the class of service you fly in. This is part of the small print nobody reads on pricelines web site when they buy the ticket.
What you need is this.
Fare $780.00
Xtax $22.50
Ytax blah.
Total fare blah.
Travelocity I believe has a fare value on the ticket I forgot to check at work today so I can't say for sure. You can also run into this problem with some live travel agency's as well.
Most times it's not an issue so I'm not saying NEVER do it. I'm saying be aware that if you purchase a ticket from them and your flight gets fucked up while they are moving other people to another airline you may be stuck. I see it happen every single time ORD or IAD go down due to storms.