Cafe Exedra

Capt Dave you are right on the mark! (Nutnsuch this is not directed at your post, but it has generated a larger need for debate - which some will point out belongs in a different thread)

For those of us who are trying to make a long term future here in BA, the use of "hometown referenced" pricing is killing this whole thing. Forget about what you pay in the USA, Europe, Asia, etc. The local market forces are what counts - and a few 100% premiums being paid doesn't help the situation. It would be great if the "newbies" and some of the oldies would try the lower end of the price spectrum (fully understanding that taking them to your place, and out of their shit-whole apartments makes a huge difference) The point is this: the relationship between quality and price is not linear.

Come on guys, you like to get the best price on your automobile, digital camera, or steak dinner - why do we tend to like to overpay? These girls have to understand it is not gold-plated, nor are they the only one who has one. This is a service industry - no formal education required.

I fully realize that when you are here for a short time - twice a day is a requirement. But imagine the effect if we all took a couple of days off - these girls (who are typically bad money managers) would quickly get the message. I understand this is not going to happen - so let's all do something smart. When you are negotiating / being overcharged; say hell no, walk away, and fully understand that you control the "demand" and nature has given us an abundant "supply".

This is not New York, Boston, Los Angeles, Zurich, Paris, or Tokyo. We pay in Pesos here - please think in Pesos (not Dollar or Euro conversions)

Enjoy Guys, this is as close to the Garden of Eden as it get - let's keep it that way!

Alan

Wow! Tough room!

I'll be back tonight w / some better negotiating skills for sure. Maybe I'll hit that trifecta!

Likewise would like to see this discussed, in an honest discussion that bears on reality and not wished for 100/120 pricing. Personally I'm finding it harder to maintain the 150 p mark with chicas of my choosing. 200 p seems more the norm since the end of summer and the asking often starts at 300. And I'm living here and now fluent in spanish. I attribute the rise to the general recent rise in wages, inflation and more tourism which brings guys willing to pay the asking and not knowing or willing to haggle. If you respond please don't tether your frame of reference to Exedra or the orillas of Vicente Lopez.

I'm sorry; I don't understand. This thread is on Exedra but I am not supposed to tether my frame of reference to Exedra?

My last "first time" experience in Exedra was on Christmas Eve Day and it was deader than a door nail. I suggested 100 and it was accepted without negotiation.

Looking at other recent "first time experiences": I called a gal who used to work at Güemes 3221, who didn't know me from a plate of piss except for having seen me there and never sessioning with me. She agreed to come to the mansion. We had sex. Price was never discussed. I figured, the rate at that privado is 120 so that is what I will give her, since she will get to keep all of it. She stuck the money in her purse without looking at it, and has been back since, and got the same amount of money, and would love to come back. Note that this price is inclusive of transportation (public) although I did pay her 50 centavo return train fare.

The other recent first time experience was a gal who came over under pretenses of a general day-time get together, and I gave her 100 pesos and she looked at the 100 peso note like she had never seen one before. Both these gals are younger by far than the average at Exedra (26 and 24) and would rate 6-7 on the 1-10 scale.

I've only ever taken three gals from Exedra, who I originally met at Exedra, and the prices were (in chronological order) 100, 130, and 100. I do agree 100 might be hard to get any more, from a decent looking chica. But, there is inflation and there is supply and demand. I have never seen supply exceed demand like it has in recent months. Many of the chicas in the Triangle are desperate. I got a "face saving" offer in Catto's recently: "I won't go with you for 125 but I will go for 150 and we can split the hotel." Translation? Like 128 or something.

Within the last week I had a former 150 pesos club chica and a former 120 pesos apartment chica offer to do TLN for 100 pesos. Granted these are not first time situations. I'm also seeing a "trickle down effect" in that the gals in the 60-80 peso privados are better looking, on average, than in previous years. Several have told me that they gave up on the clubs because there just wasn't enough business.

I don't think "what the asking starts at" is really relevant, quite frankly. PS on the subject of inflation, "just say no" to Horizonte.

Mongers-

I agree with "DickHead" when it comes to just refusing to pay ridiculous prices for services. I live and work here full time and I can tell you that a typical "good" wage for here is $50 AR daily for an 8 hour shift. The prostitutes obviously know this and they are well aware that they are ripping you off when they try to pull $200 AR or more out of you for a session. I have never even been to Excedra, but on one occaison I slayed a girl out of Cocodrilo named Carla (not recommended particularly, I was stewed at the time) who informed me that she works in Excedra during the day sometimes. I payed her $120 AR after several hours of service and she happened to mentioned that she usually tries to get $100 USD out of the johns at Excedra. More on price perspective, I have only one time paid as much as $200 AR for a girl (at Madahos) and usually on the rare occaison that I monger anymore I pay $120-30. Looking at it from the non-resident side, if your castellano is shit you probably will have a harder time bargaining.

Suerte,

Dirk Diggler

I was in BsAs in May / June, and didn't have any trouble getting chicas from Exedra for 125ar to 150ar with extras, and I don't speak Spanish. Most of the chicas in Exedra know me, (or know about me) and they know I wouldn't even talk to them if they ask for 300ar.:rolleyes:

You know what they say, a fool and his money are soon parted.

Come on guys grow some balls, learn to say NO and walk away, the chicas will come around.

Punter is exceptionally suave and handsome, and exudes charm. While we cannot all be Punter, we [b]can[/b] all:

1) Be unfailingly polite and gentlemanly;

2) Shit, shower, and shave before going out to monger (do not reverse the order of the first two as that leads to suboptimal results);

3) Use toothpaste and deodorant; and.

4) Not act like we are innately superior to the prostitutes we seek to fuck.

I routinely see mongers, particularly Americans and much less so Europeans, ignoring these fairly elementary rules. You don't have to wear a suit and tie (thank god) but if you wear the same shirt two days in a row the Latin Chica Network (LCN) will be on this like white on rice.

You are exactly right, especially about me.:rolleyes: LOL The truth is I'm living proof that a fat old man can pull chicas for a reasonable price, hell even Exon pulls chicas from Exedra for 150 or less, when he's not getting hand jobs. (is that a manicure?)

I would add one more point.

5. Don't be a chump, follow rules 1& 4, but be willing to walk, if the chicas think you are desperate they will play it for all it's worth.

Almost all of us have been so horny that we have negotiated with the wrong head. I have on 2 occasions. Having said that, in every other instance I have never paid more than 150P and with that I get at least 90 minutes.

The two chicas I got from Exedra agreed to 150P and 130P respectively. I rarely go lower than 150P. Usually, I ask for 2 or 3 hours.

I was there in March and these were the prices I paid. In fact, I haven't increased my prices in over 2 years, I just try to be more patient and hold out.

As long as the supply exceeds demands, I don't think we will have many pricing issues. Especially, if all of us guys actually walk away once in a while from a chica overpricing herself-myself included.

Suerte.

Stowe

I suppose it is worth adding, in light of subsequent posts, that these "first time" prices I posted were not for quickies but for 1.5-2 hour sessions with multiple (okay, two, but multiple sounds better) pops. Time was never discussed. Exception might be the Xmas Eve thing when I had no apartment to go to, but she would have stayed longer for no more money if I'd paid for more time in the telo. Faithful readers know that I am an advocate of not negotiating time, but I can also see the danger in not doing so.

To review: If you get along well ("buena onda") she will stay longer. If you [b]don't[/b] get along well, why the hell would you want her to stay? Some guys are like, well the whole thing sucked and then she wanted to leave but I negotiated two hours so I wanted her to stay. WTF? You wanted her to stay so you could have more shitty sex? Or so she could have more time to case your place for a future theft? Not too sure about this whole thing.

I think I saw the same Christina earlier this month at Exedra whom Nutnsuch had mentioned. Fits the same general description: Paraguayan, mid 20's, black hair, and cute as a button. I invited her to my table after exchanging some smiles and winks across the room. El Grandote was helping me to translate and to get a feel for her price. He negotiated a deal for himself for the following day to his apartment (since he couldn't pull any chica out of Exedra that night due to other dramas he got going on there) His deal was 200 P to include all the perverted requirements that he must have.;) BBBJ, cola, photo, and God knows what else. He told me his deal and then left for the triangle. Now it was time for my negotiation, she asked for 150 P for 1 to 1 ½ hour. But I asked her how about TLN for that price. She said she couldn't do it. Then I up the offer to 200 P. She hesitated but said she could only stay for about 2 ½ hours. I told her that wasn't good enough. She sat with me for a little while and then said sorry, may I go now? I told her I'm sorry too and may be some other time. She gave me a hug and a kiss and left my table. Right after she left I moved on to another chica sitting at the next table. We struck a deal for 100 P almost immediately.

Guys, I agree we must hold our grounds and be prepared to move on to the next chica. I know it's difficult to do all the times, especially when the little head takes over and doing the thinking instead. I admit on occasions I have overpaid when the chicas got me by the balls, literally.

I know Sportsman to be a very savvy Master Monger. He has excellent taste in chicas. I base this largely upon the fact that we have fucked 12-15 of the same chicas. Thus, I ask him the following question:

Would the one you turned down for 150 have been 1.5 times better than the one you accepted for 100?

And, collaterally: How long did the 100 peso chica stay?

Try this.

Don't ask "how much" - tell her "I'll give you $xxx pesos" or perhaps (if you have "special requirements") "I'll give you "$xxx pesos" for "xxx time / location / service"

She can either say yes or no. If she tries to up the ante, politely stick to your guns and say "That is what I am willing to pay."

Be prepared to politely move on if she doesn't agree - there is a good chance she will come back later anyway, and you will score points for being firm.

Please remember that women in general, and Latin women in particular, like men who are firm. If she can push you around in the cafe, you will lose any ability to direct the flow of your meeting from then on!

To one chica who told me she wanted $200 pesos, the reply was "I'm sorry, but I can't pay you that because then I'd have to pay that to everyone!" which she understood to be true (and believe me, it is!)

Remember also that frequently chicas will give a high price to someone they don't particularly want to screw (this has been confirmed by several chicas on several occasiones.) If she doesn't want to screw you, my advice is don't "bargain", but move on. If she doesn't want to do it, your chances of having a good time are pretty slim.

Portaste bien!

David

I showed up at Exedra last night for the first time and the inside was packed due to the cold weather outside. Personally the weather was beautiful and I would prefer to sit outside, but all the chicas and clientel were inside, so in I went.

This place is so obvously packed with working girls by the way each girl looks at the men who walk in, but a lot of the passers-by still are none the wiser and duck in for just a cafe.

I sat down and ordered a Cafe Americano (which is the larger portion, but still less coffee than I would drink in the states) and scanned the room for some quality goods.

I'm almost positive she has been mentioned before but I am too busy eating bifes de chorizo and cavorting around the city to RTFF, but Jessica, a petite (maybe 5'1" or so) 20 year old "blonde" porteña caught my eye and after a few glances / smiles, etc I whispered for her to "veni" (get your ass over here)

We spoke for a few and she asked what I thought of the chicas in the establishment and that they were all "working" girls. Yeah, no shit.

I asked her if she was working and she replied yes, so negotiations ensued.

She asked for $100USD and I said, "Es muy caro, amor." (that's too expensive)

She countered with $200AR pesos and I said how about $120AR. She didn't hesitate to say yes, which I now think maybe I sould have offered $100AR pesos first.

We left back to Jackson's apartment (upon entering she said "wow" in English, which was probably her only English) and there was LFK, BBBJ, mish, doggie, cowboy upstairs in the bedroom. She was accommodating to any position. I didn't ask about completo and I'm not sure about CIM, but I'm sure both could have been arranged.

A couple things to note is when we first got back to the apartment she asked (niceley) for the money up front and I informed her that I only pay afterward. She said this was fine, so I paid her upon leaving.

Also after the first pop, she put on her bra and went to the bathroom for a minute. When she came back I informed her that we still had 20 minutes left and she complied.

This girl is nice and takes direction really well, but she will (politely) try to get the money up front and end the session early.

She was also accomodating to pose for pictures and again took direction really well on each pose.

She specifically asked me if I was going to put these on the internet, so I will not post them out of respect unfortunately.

YMMV with this one, and she may try to pull some stuff but will quickly and politely get back on track if you remind her who is the boss.

Overall I would not repeat because of the few things mentioned above, but if any of you have a LOLA complex, try this petite little porteña.

Got there about 1:00 am, place was so jammed I had to circulate a couple of times and stand around looking for a place to sit. This offered excellent opportunities to scope out everything that was on offer. I would say it is the end of the month, the rent is due Monday, PLEASE take me home right now situation. Managed to grab a chair next to the hottest chicas in the place. The hottest of the hotties spoke to me and I left in a very good mood, I will call her tomorrow (if Exon's favorita doesn't wear me out) and arrange a meeting out of prime time. When I said I was leaving she offerred to leave with me, how delightfully easy. I really like this girl, I hope it turns out fantastica.