2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=Jackson; 424509]Here's BO's record on releasing his personal records:

1. Occidental College records. SEALED.

2. Columbia college records. SEALED.

3. Columbia thesis paper. SEALED.

4. Harvard college records. SEALED.

5. Selective Service registration. SEALED.

6. Medical records. SEALED.

7. Illinois state senate schedule. SEALED.

8. Illinois state senate records. SEALED.

9. Law practice client list. SEALED.

10. Certified copy of original birth certificate. SEALED.

11. Signed, embossed paper certification of live birth. SEALED.

12. Baptism record. SEALED.

Any yet the leftists and their allies in the media just can't stop crying about not seeing MR's old tax returns.[/QUOTE]If he started to reveal that information, he might have to explain his stolen social security number.

[QUOTE=Gato Hunter;424534]Being highly educated and employeed by the enemy is the way. I make the fuckers money. But hate them[/QUOTE]You are currently on some sort of short term disability coverage that lets you to hang in BA. Who paid for that policy GH. I bet it was a benefit that your employer provided you at virtually NO COST to you. It wasn't something you organized or even had a hand in planning or paying for. If you hate your employer so much I suggest you take a few chances, put up your own dime and show us your skills as a small business owner. The fact that the work you perform at your company, generates income and profit for the company that pays your salary, is somehow reason to HATE THEM!

Your comment does not support you being highly educated BUT does support your lack of understanding of the big picture. Why sleep with the "enemy" dude? Put that education and IQ to work and become your own boss. Ooops. Then you might become what you so dearly HATE!

"THE ENEMY". It must suck to be you. LOL. Monger On GH. Toymann

[QUOTE=Jackson; 424509]Here's BO's record on releasing his personal records:

1. Occidental College records. SEALED.

2. Columbia college records. SEALED.

3. Columbia thesis paper. SEALED.

4. Harvard college records. SEALED.

5. Selective Service registration. SEALED.

6. Medical records. SEALED.

7. Illinois state senate schedule. SEALED.

8. Illinois state senate records. SEALED.

9. Law practice client list. SEALED.

10. Certified copy of original birth certificate. SEALED.

11. Signed, embossed paper certification of live birth. SEALED.

12. Baptism record. SEALED.

Any yet the leftists and their allies in the media just can't stop crying about not seeing MR's old tax returns.[/QUOTE]Several of these claims have been revealed as complete bullshit; the birth certificate issue has long since been settled. Also, Obama's activity as an Illinois state senator is a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. On the other hand, the wise word circulating around the accounting community is that Romney utilized (prior to 2010) abusive tax shelters that were later ruled illegal by the IRS AND he participated in the IRS sanctioned amnesty which allowed him to repatriate previously undeclared funds in Switzerland without facing criminal penalties and with reduced IRS penalties and interest.

Snake, what total be / s, Obama has not released anything. While his voting record is public everything else is still sealed.

The public knows almost everything beginning with his birth to present about Romney.

The public knows almost nothing about Obama because its SEALED except for his books which are proving to be a mix of lies and invention.

Obama is not running on his record that's for damn sure because it's so bad.

If all he can say is "we are moving in the right direction" after 5 trillion in spending, a stagnant economy, a shrinking workforce and unemployment still above 8% only proves he is a freaking idiot.

I'm waiting for the Labor Dept to declare another reduction in first unemployment claims and for the unemployment rate to fall below 8% even thought the very definition of growth precludes such events occurring when GDP growth is below 3% much less 1. 5%

Obama is a fraud at best.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 424562]Snake, what total be / s, Obama has not released anything. While his voting record is public everything else is still sealed.

The public knows almost everything beginning with his birth to present about Romney.

The public knows almost nothing about Obama because its SEALED except for his books which are proving to be a mix of lies and invention.

Obama is not running on his record that's for damn sure because it's so bad.

If all he can say is "we are moving in the right direction" after 5 trillion in spending, a stagnant economy, a shrinking workforce and unemployment still above 8% only proves he is a freaking idiot.

I'm waiting for the Labor Dept to declare another reduction in first unemployment claims and for the unemployment rate to fall below 8% even thought the very definition of growth precludes such events occurring when GDP growth is below 3% much less 1. 5%

Doppelgänger is a fraud at best.[/QUOTE]Why do you and the other Romneyphiles in this thread fail to acknowledge that your candidate very likely engaged in (now) ILLEGAL tax avoidance schemes and HID his money overseas in an action that DEFRAUDS the US government of its rightfully owed revenue? NO ONE other than Fox News pundits care about Obama's college grades, medical records, law clients etc etc. However, the public certainly will be interested in Romney DEFRAUDING the IRS via (now) ILLEGAL tax avoidance schemes and how he participated in the IRS amnesty after HIDING his money in Switzerland for many years.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 424562]Snake, what total be / s, Obama has not released anything. While his voting record is public everything else is still sealed.

The public knows almost everything beginning with his birth to present about Romney.

The public knows almost nothing about Obama because its SEALED except for his books which are proving to be a mix of lies and invention.

Obama is not running on his record that's for damn sure because it's so bad.

If all he can say is "we are moving in the right direction" after 5 trillion in spending, a stagnant economy, a shrinking workforce and unemployment still above 8% only proves he is a freaking idiot.

I'm waiting for the Labor Dept to declare another reduction in first unemployment claims and for the unemployment rate to fall below 8% even thought the very definition of growth precludes such events occurring when GDP growth is below 3% much less 1. 5%

Obama is a fraud at best.[/QUOTE]I thought they would be an interesting read. I don't care whether or not he is baptized. What I found is that Romney graduated summa cum laude and Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law. Usually when you graduate with honors from somewhere they publish your name in the graduation program. So Romney is definitely either smarter or a harder worker or both.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424563]Why do you and the other Romneyphiles in this thread fail to acknowledge that your candidate very likely engaged in (now) ILLEGAL tax avoidance schemes and HID his money overseas in an action that DEFRAUDS the US government of its rightfully owed revenue?[/QUOTE]Obviously you are just poor trailer trash dude. Please pay attention! When you have Romney's kind of money (self-made I might add) , there is absolutely NO UPSIDE to the type of activity you elude to in your goofy post. Ignorant and stupid is no way to go through life fella. Oh, I forgot. You are just a liberal political shill anyway. Better to be thought a fool SnakeBoy and remain silent, than open your mouth and remove all doubt. IALOTFLMAO! Tick Tick Tick. Happy Mongering All but SnakeBoy. He has little game and should hunt pussy in chicago! LOL. Toymann

Let me get this straight. Romney graduated summa cum laude from Harvard Law School, was exceptionally, or should I say really exceptionally successful in the business world, was elected governor of the most liberal state in the union and as governor respected and worked with the opposition party, single handedly saved the 2002 Winter Olympics from a total meltdown and had tax accountants who understood the complexities and vagueness of our ridiculous tax system.

Why does Romney sound like Secretariat while Obama sounds like a donkey?

[QUOTE=Toymann;424567]Obviously you are just poor trailer trash dude. Please pay attention! When you have Romney's kind of money (self-made I might add) , there is absolutely NO UPSIDE to the type of activity you elude to in your goofy post. Ignorant and stupid is no way to go through life fella. Oh, I forgot. You are just a liberal political shill anyway. Better to be thought a fool SnakeBoy and remain silent, than open your mouth and remove all doubt. IALOTFLMAO! Tick Tick Tick. Happy Mongering All but SnakeBoy. He has little game and should hunt pussy in chicago! LOL. Toymann[/QUOTE]More name calling and personal attacks from the thread's top Ignoramous, Mr Toymann himself. Toymann wants everyone in the USA except for him to work at Wal-Mart or Burger King for $9 / hour. If you actually did some research and payed attention once in awhile Romney himself has admitted that he has / had off shore bank accounts in both Switzerland and the Cayman Islands. He also admitted to closing the Swiss bank account in 2009, at the same time Switzerland began to roll over on it's US clients and the IRS offered an tax dodger amnesty. The accounting community is now leaking information that Romney engaged in (now) illegal tax avoidance schemes AND participated in the amnesty, which is why Romney REFUSES to release pre-2010 tax returns.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424570]More name calling and personal attacks from the thread's top Ignoramous, Mr Toymann himself. Toymann wants everyone in the USA except for him to work at Wal-Mart or Burger King for $9 / hour. If you actually did some research and payed attention once in awhile Romney himself has admitted that he has / had off shore bank accounts in both Switzerland and the Cayman Islands.[/QUOTE]All of which are legal activities, so what exactly is your complaint?

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424570]He also admitted to closing the Swiss bank account in 2009, at the same time Switzerland began to roll over on it's US clients and the IRS offered an tax dodger amnesty. The accounting community is now leaking information that Romney engaged in (now) illegal tax avoidance schemes AND participated in the amnesty, which is why Romney REFUSES to release pre-2010 tax returns.[/QUOTE]Pure speculation, without a single shred of evidence, postulated by the leftists and their allies in the media in their attempt to insinuate that these allegations are somehow meritorious.

It does not matter if Snake is an Obama Shill, the whole point of Team Obama's campaign is to get folks talking about totally untrue BS about Romney so they won't start talking about what a idiot Obama is and what a wreck he has made of the economy.

Again Snake, where are Obama's records, don't deflect the question saying no one cares because they do. If the liberal media can attempt to bring up some alleged incident from high school, which was later proved false by the alleged 'victims' family no less, Obama's past is in play as well.

As people do the fact checking on Obama's two books they are finding he took 'literary license', a polite way to say he lied, on many 'facts' in his books. He has misrepresented both himself and his family origins in his books.

I've searched the web to find "the accounting community" leaking information about Romney. First of all there is no "accounting community" when it come to Romney since he has his own accountants / accounting firms to handle his filings and it would be a gross breach of confidentially to do so, but then Team Obama and liberals have never been formally introduced to such concepts as evidenced by the White House Staff leaks of classified information to make Obama look tough.

The economy is chugging along at 1. 5% growth which will not even produce enough jobs to satisfy the number of people just entering the work force much less reduce unemployment . Which takes at least 3+% to get there. Unemployment remains above 8. 2% and at 1. 5% GDP growth should be going higher.

OBAMA BUILT THAT FOR YOU.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424570]The accounting community is now leaking information that Romney engaged in (now) illegal tax avoidance schemes AND participated in the amnesty, which is why Romney REFUSES to release pre-2010 tax returns.[/QUOTE]You must work at a Burger King to come forward with this golden nugget! IALOTFLMAO dude!

I will continue to kick you around like a silly ***** as long as you continue these types of fabrications, distortions and just plain old fashioned lies. Most of the fellas on this thread aren't that stupid fella. That said, keep the crazy stuff coming. The entertainment value is prices!"Accounting community"? Just about pissed myself laughing about that one. It is certainly obvious to me that your profession resume doesn't extend much longer than "just graduated highschool" and "it only took me 6 years"! LMAO. Happy Mongering All. Toymann

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;424585]It does not matter if Snake is an Obama Shill, the whole point of Team Obama's campaign is to get folks talking about totally untrue BS about Romney so they won't start talking about what a idiot Obama is and what a wreck he has made of the economy.[/QUOTE]Obama is trying to rip Romney a new asshole. Duh yeah. Thanks for the information Doppelganger. Relax. Romney will pull ahead after the Republican convention in late August or early September when he starts laying out his plan. You will hear nothing but bullshit until then. The tax bullshit plays to the uneducated Democrats. The college transcripts play to the uneducated Republicans.

It is just like the Clintons and Whitewater. The story played to people without money. Most people with money have had a business deal go sour on them in their lifetime and that is what Whitewater was.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 424585]It does not matter if Snake is an Obama Shill, the whole point of Team Obama's campaign is to get folks talking about totally untrue BS about Romney so they won't start talking about what a idiot Obama is and what a wreck he has made of the economy.

Again Snake, where are Obama's records, don't deflect the question saying no one cares because they do. If the liberal media can attempt to bring up some alleged incident from high school, which was later proved false by the alleged 'victims' family no less, Obama's past is in play as well.

As people do the fact checking on Obama's two books they are finding he took 'literary license', a polite way to say he lied, on many 'facts' in his books. He has misrepresented both himself and his family origins in his books.

I've searched the web to find "the accounting community" leaking information about Romney. First of all there is no "accounting community" when it come to Romney since he has his own accountants / accounting firms to handle his filings and it would be a gross breach of confidentially to do so, but then Team Obama and liberals have never been formally introduced to such concepts as evidenced by the White House Staff leaks of classified information to make Obama look tough.

The economy is chugging along at 1. 5% growth which will not even produce enough jobs to satisfy the number of people just entering the work force much less reduce unemployment. Which takes at least 3+% to get there. Unemployment remains above 8. 2% and at 1. 5% GDP growth should be going higher.

OBAMA BUILT THAT FOR YOU.[/QUOTE]The accounting community I am referring to are the private conversations I have had with upper level CPA's currently and formerly employed by Ernst and Young, Deloitte, and others. The oligarchs on this thread might dismiss this issue is being talked about all over the internet.

[url]http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts[/url]

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/mitt-romneys-offshore-tax-accounts_n_1686742.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Jackson; 424573]All of which are legal activities, so what exactly is your complaint?

Pure speculation, without a single shred of evidence, postulated by the leftists and their allies in the media in their attempt to insinuate that these allegations are somehow meritorious.[/QUOTE]The point is that these are shady and deceptive tactics used to defraud the US Treasury out of millions of dollars; tactics that are unfitting for a man who claims he loves the USA so much that he aspires to be POTUS and he obviously shows this by paying as little as possible through (now) illegal tax avoidance schemes, keeping his money in non-American banks, and betting against the currency of the nation he aspires to lead. Offshore bank accounts, tax avoidance schemes, currency hedges, etc are perfectly fine for you, me and Gordon Gekko to utilize, but none of us are ever going to be POTUS.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424570]More name calling and personal attacks from the thread's top Ignoramous, Mr Toymann himself. Toymann wants everyone in the USA except for him to work at Wal-Mart or Burger King for $9 / hour. If you actually did some research and payed attention once in awhile Romney himself has admitted that he has / had off shore bank accounts in both Switzerland and the Cayman Islands. He also admitted to closing the Swiss bank account in 2009, at the same time Switzerland began to roll over on it's US clients and the IRS offered an tax dodger amnesty. The accounting community is now leaking information that Romney engaged in (now) illegal tax avoidance schemes AND participated in the amnesty, which is why Romney REFUSES to release pre-2010 tax returns.[/QUOTE]The United States Congress and the IRS in their magnificent wisdom have passed and implemented laws such that tax exempt USA institutions, like pension funds, may only invest in foreign private equity and hedge funds. In addition, most foreign investors will not invest in U.S. funds because they would have to comply with the ridiculously complex U.S. tax code.

USA fund managers can defer personal income tax by channeling their management and performance fees from these foreign funds through places like the Cayman Islands. This is the way the business works. George Soros and many other Democrats have taken advantage of it. Democrat politicians, like Chuck Schumer until recently, have fought tooth and nail to keep this system in place. It's probably why Romney has accounts in the Cayman Islands. EVERYBODY DOES THIS, fund managers who are Democrats and fund managers who are Republicans.

I know someone who participated in the "tax dodger amnesty" you refer to. He had a bank account in Canada for several years that had a maximum account balance of about $11, 000. He failed to report the account and the interest income to the IRS. He underpaid his taxes by $6. 00. The IRS fined him $3, 000, and he paid twice that in legal and accounting bills.

If Romney had participated in voluntary disclosure, that would have undoubtedly been leaked by the Obama administration by now. Maybe he hasn't released his returns because he doesn't want Democrat nut cases poring over his returns trying to find where his accountant screwed up. Given the size and complexity of the USA tax code, anyone preparing a return as complicated as Romney's is going to screw up.

I'm afraid to even contribute to Romney's campaign. This is the kind of thing that happens to people who do:

[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577537233908744496.html[/url]

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424590]The accounting community I am referring to are the private conversations I have had with upper level CPA's currently and formerly employed by Ernst and Young, Deloitte, and others.[/QUOTE]IALOTFLMAO! Based on your past posts there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that YOU would be having conversations with upper level CPA's from well known firms, around the water cooler I'm guessing. Keep the blather coming SnakeBoy! You are getting better with each post. I should start a survey with the membership on the chances of anyone believing you have even had a single conversation with a CPA at all, in your entire sad deluded life! LOL! However, I already know the results of said poll. Keep the material coming dude. It's all good. Toymann.

Ps. Whats next SnakeBoy, you'll be reporting that you are having an affair with Ann Romney and she told you over some pillow talk that her husband is a travesti! LMAO

[QUOTE=Toymann; 424588]You must work at a Burger King to come forward with this golden nugget! IALOTFLMAO dude!

I will continue to kick you around like a silly * as long as you continue these types of fabrications, distortions and just plain old fashioned lies. Most of the fellas on this thread aren't that stupid fella. That said, keep the crazy stuff coming. The entertainment value is prices!"Accounting community"? Just about pissed myself laughing about that one. It is certainly obvious to me that your profession resume doesn't extend much longer than "just graduated highschool" and "it only took me 6 years"! LMAO. Happy Mongering All. Toymann[/QUOTE]There are a lot of professional, and other,"communities" in the USA. The dues paying members of the professional "communities" are represented by organizations such as the AICPA, ABA, AMA, SNAME, etc, etc. These "communities" talk among themselves, go to conventions, have trade publications, etc, etc. Are the posters on this board that obtuse?

Tres3

[QUOTE=Toymann; 424588]You must work at a Burger King to come forward with this golden nugget! IALOTFLMAO dude!

I will continue to kick you around like a silly * as long as you continue these types of fabrications, distortions and just plain old fashioned lies. Most of the fellas on this thread aren't that stupid fella. That said, keep the crazy stuff coming. The entertainment value is prices!"Accounting community"? Just about pissed myself laughing about that one. It is certainly obvious to me that your profession resume doesn't extend much longer than "just graduated highschool" and "it only took me 6 years"! LMAO. Happy Mongering All. Toymann[/QUOTE]Yes, you are absolutely correct in that I have been working at Burger King since the age of 16 and have continued my long and distinguished career at BK even after I obtained my GED at the age of 27. The excellent pay, $9 / hour, affords me the luxury of flying to Buenos Aires in J where I spend about half the year at my other career, which is managing and directing a unit of motorcycle based Colombian sicarios whose primary work includes torturing, carving up and decapitating contracted targets at my command and for relatively little compensation (by US standards). Generally the contracted targets are mid-level dealers who didn't pay up but lately the prey has grown to include gringos who bring large sums of US cash to Buenos Aires as a way of beating the official exchange rate. Ironically, and perhaps not surprisingly, it is the "cueva" owners themselves who have become our biggest clients.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424595]Yes, you are absolutely correct in that I have been working at Burger King since the age of 16 and have continued my long and distinguished career at BK even after I obtained my GED at the age of 27. The excellent pay, $9 / hour, affords me the luxury of flying to Buenos Aires in J where I spend about half the year at my other career, which is managing and directing a unit of motorcycle based Colombian sicarios whose primary work includes torturing, carving up and decapitating contracted targets at my command and for relatively little compensation (by US standards). Generally the contracted targets are mid-level dealers who didn't pay up but lately the prey has grown to include gringos who bring large sums of US cash to Buenos Aires as a way of beating the official exchange rate. Ironically, and perhaps not surprisingly, it is the "cueva" owners themselves who have become our biggest clients.[/QUOTE]Good one SnakeBoy. That was pretty funny. Glad you have a sense of humor. This is a trait rarely found in wild-ass liberals. There might be hope for you yet, BUT I DOUBT IT! LOL. Happy Mongering All. Toymann

Question: What do Obama supporters and sperm have in common?

Answer: One in 50,000,000 has a chance of becoming a human being

Ok Snake, you are conversing with certified public accountants who are telling you Romney did something wrong without seeing any documentation or filings other than those which have been released so far?

They must be expressing POLITICAL opinions as they would probably be terminated for expressing such opinions professionally based on what is out there now. I doubt their employers would be thrilled having CPA's expressing their considered professional opinions with total lack of information.

If having an offshore account were a crime, as you seem to believe, then we need look no further than the senior White House staff for culprits. Valarie Jarrett would be one of the first ones on the list. As you seem so concerned about folks defrauding the government, why aren't you more concerned about welfare fraud and other federal handout program fraud? Even more to the point how about all of Obama's 'green' friends getting so much money from the Fed for companies in which they are major investors?

Ah, I see it now, you are only interested in pointing the finger at conservatives. If you do a little checking some of the worst offenders are LIBERALS and those DIRTY RICH LIBERALS who always back causes to give away other people's money but never their own.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 424605]Ok Snake, you are conversing with certified public accountants who are telling you Romney did something wrong without seeing any documentation or filings other than those which have been released so far?

They must be expressing POLITICAL opinions as they would probably be terminated for expressing such opinions professionally based on what is out there now. I doubt their employers would be thrilled having CPA's expressing their considered professional opinions with total lack of information.

If having an offshore account were a crime, as you seem to believe, then we need look no further than the senior White House staff for culprits. Valarie Jarrett would be one of the first ones on the list. As you seem so concerned about folks defrauding the government, why aren't you more concerned about welfare fraud and other federal handout program fraud? Even more to the point how about all of Obama's 'green' friends getting so much money from the Fed for companies in which they are major investors?

Ah, I see it now, you are only interested in pointing the finger at conservatives. If you do a little checking some of the worst offenders are LIBERALS and those DIRTY RICH LIBERALS who always back causes to give away other people's money but never their own.[/QUOTE]I have never stated or implied that having an offshore bank account is a crime; I have repeatedly stated that utilizing (now) illegal tax avoidance schemes and hiding money in offshore accounts is conduct unbecoming of someone aspiring to be POTUS; Romney has conducted himself along these lines for years. Obama has never been personally accused of welfare fraud, tax avoidance schemes, hiding money off shore, or any other potentially illegal or unbecoming activity. For all practical purposes, this election is a one on one between Romney and Obama and not any of the other people you mentioned so whatever they did or did not do is irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 424605]Ok Snake, you are conversing with certified public accountants who are telling you Romney did something wrong without seeing any documentation or filings other than those which have been released so far?

They must be expressing POLITICAL opinions as they would probably be terminated for expressing such opinions professionally based on what is out there now. I doubt their employers would be thrilled having CPA's expressing their considered professional opinions with total lack of information.[/QUOTE]What occurred is exactly what I stated in the earlier post: in private conversations with high level CPA's who formerly and currently work / worked for Ernst and Young and Deloitte it was revealed to me that Romney utilized (now) illegal tax avoidance schemes and participated in the IRS amnesty prior to 2010 to repatriate funds held in a Swiss bank account. I can tell you that the Ernst and Young conversations took place in Buenos Aires within the past ninety days.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424607]...is conduct unbecoming of someone aspiring to be POTUS...[/QUOTE]And yet somehow befriending Weather Underground founder Bill Ayers and attending radical racist Jeremy Wright's church for 20+ years (to name a few) is acceptable conduct of someone aspiring to be POTUS?

Snake, there is no way they could know any of these details unless they worked on his account. As far as amnesty, again unless they were working on the his accounts they could not have this information. You have already precluded their working for the IRS. If these so called sources did work on his accounts and are now discussing this matter with unrelated third parties they have committed profession malpractice, a civil tort, and in many states a criminal offense as well.

You keep noting it is "now illegal", so what is the problem you have with engaging in legal conduct at the time the transactions occured?

Because a statute changes it does not make prior legal conduct now becomes suddenly illegal.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 424613]You keep noting it is "now illegal", so what is the problem you have with engaging in legal conduct at the time the transactions occured?

Because a statute changes it does not make prior legal conduct now becomes suddenly illegal.[/QUOTE]I think I have made it clear that I am not accusing Romney of engaging in any illegal activity; only shady, sleazy, and deceitful activity meant to defraud the US Treasury, conduct that is unbecoming of an aspiring POTUS. As I have said, it is just fine if Jackson, myself, Toymann or any other fat cats engage in this sort of thing because we are not running for POTUS. Romney, on the other hand IS running for POTUS and thus is judged on a higher standard. I am pretty sure a 10 year old child or even a golden retriever can understand this.

[QUOTE=Jackson;424611]And yet somehow befriending Weather Underground founder Bill Ayers and attending radical racist Jeremy Wright's church for 20+ years (to name a few) is acceptable conduct of someone aspiring to be POTUS?[/QUOTE]The Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers issues are old news and Obama was already elected AFTER those issues had been brought to light so clearly, at least in the eyes of the voting US public, associating with those figures was not judged as conduct unbecoming of an aspiring POTUS. I tend to think that Romney's association with the Wall Street Masters of the Universe, the same guys who through their greed and riverboat gambling caused (in part) the current undesirable economic situation, will be much more damaging among Ohio and Florida working class voters who are underwater on their mortgages than Obama's past association with some obscure unimportant religious figures.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424614]I think I have made it clear that I am not accusing Romney of engaging in any illegal activity; only shady, sleazy, and deceitful activity meant to defraud the US Treasury, conduct that is unbecoming of an aspiring POTUS. As I have said, it is just fine if Jackson, myself, Toymann or any other fat cats engage in this sort of thing because we are not running for POTUS. Romney, on the other hand IS running for POTUS and thus is judged on a higher standard. I am pretty sure a 10 year old child or even a golden retriever can understand this.[/QUOTE]Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Shady, sleazy, deceitful activity by a USA President? Whoever heard of that?

Lyndon Baines Johnson

Richard Milhous Nixon.

William Jefferson Clinton.

Barrack Hussein Obama.

It's a prerequisite for the office. Not only for president of the United states, but USA Congressman and Senator too. Our elected politicians are running Ponzi schemes like Social Security, Fannie and Freddie that make what Bernie Madoff did look small. If Romney oversaw similar accounting manipulations as CEO of Bain, he'd be in jail.

Speaking of which, in this day and age when the USA is about 10 or 20 years away from being like Greece, I can't think of a better person to turn it around than a private equity guy who successfully restructured bankrupt companies. Well, maybe Ernesto Zedillo. But he's a Mexican.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424615]The Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers issues are old news and Obama was already elected AFTER those issues had been brought to light so clearly, at least in the eyes of the voting US public, associating with those figures was not judged as conduct unbecoming of an aspiring POTUS. I tend to think that Romney's association with the Wall Street Masters of the Universe, the same guys who through their greed and riverboat gambling caused (in part) the current undesirable economic situation, will be much more damaging among Ohio and Florida working class voters who are underwater on their mortgages than Obama's past association with some obscure unimportant religious figures.[/QUOTE]As observed in your past responses, you once again changed the focus of your objections.

We weren't talking about whether the questionable conduct occurred before or after BO was elected, and we weren't talking about whether the public thought BO's questionable conduct was relevant. What we were talking about, at your initiation, was the acceptable conduct of anyone who aspired to be the POTUS, period.

[QUOTE=Jackson; 424618]As observed in your past responses, you once again changed the focus of your objections.

We weren't talking about whether the questionable conduct occurred before or after BO was elected, and we weren't talking about whether the public thought BO's questionable conduct was relevant. What we were talking about, at your initiation, was the acceptable conduct of anyone who aspired to be the POTUS, period.[/QUOTE]You are the one flagging BO's associations with Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers as "questionable conduct"; clearly the US voting public judged that BO's association with these figures was in fact NOT questionable conduct and NOT conduct unbecoming of an aspiring POTUS, as BO was comfortably elected even after your alleged "questionable conduct" of associating with these figures was brought to light and replay ad nauseum on Fox News. As BO is the current president, and his pre-electoral conduct has already been vetted and deemed acceptable by the voting US public, the only debate is really about whether Romney's (now) illegal tax avoidance schemes, hidden offshore accounts and participation in the IRS amnesty program will in fact be viewed as acceptable conduct by the US voting public, namely the working class voters in Ohio and Florida (who are the only ones who will decide this election).

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424619]the only debate is really about whether Romney's (now) illegal tax avoidance schemes, hidden offshore accounts and participation in the IRS amnesty program will in fact be viewed as acceptable conduct by the US voting public, namely the working class voters in Ohio and Florida (who are the only ones who will decide this election).[/QUOTE]I did a little looking on the internet. An account held by the Romneys at a Swiss bank was disclosed publicly in 2007 when he was running for president. The UBS / Voluntary Disclosure amnesty program wasn't until 2009. He disclosed the account 2 years before the amnesty program. So why would he publicly disclose the existence of the account to the public but not the IRS? That's nuts. It's very unlikely he had HIDDEN offshore accounts or knowingly participated in illegal tax schemes.

Let's call a spade a spade. What you wrote above are lies.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 424620]I did a little looking on the internet. An account held by the Romneys at a Swiss bank was disclosed publicly in 2007 when he was running for president. The UBS / Voluntary Disclosure amnesty program wasn't until 2009. He disclosed the account 2 years before the amnesty program. So why would he publicly disclose the existence of the account to the public but not the IRS? That's nuts. It's very unlikely he had HIDDEN offshore accounts or knowingly participated in illegal tax schemes.

Let's call a spade a spade. What you wrote above are lies.[/QUOTE]Wrong. Romney's Swiss bank account was closed by his LAWYER in 2010, not coincidentally several months AFTER the initiation of the IRS amnesty program. You claim Romney's account was declared in his 2007 tax returns. Where are his 2007 tax returns? Oh I forgot, nobody has seen them because Romney refuses to release anything before 2010.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424623]Wrong. Romney's Swiss bank account was closed by his LAWYER in 2010, not coincidentally several months AFTER the initiation of the IRS amnesty program. You claim Romney's account was declared in his 2007 tax returns. Where are his 2007 tax returns? Oh I forgot, nobody has seen them because Romney refuses to release anything before 2010.[/QUOTE]Yep, and the Jews were behind 9/11. The United States government bio-engineered the AIDS virus to wipe out homosexuals and Africans. And Freemasons run the world.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424607]I have never stated or implied that having an offshore bank account is a crime; I have repeatedly stated that utilizing (now) illegal tax avoidance schemes and hiding money in offshore accounts is conduct unbecoming of someone aspiring to be POTUS; Romney has conducted himself along these lines for years. Obama has never been personally accused of welfare fraud, tax avoidance schemes, hiding money off shore, or any other potentially illegal or unbecoming activity. For all practical purposes, this election is a one on one between Romney and Obama and not any of the other people you mentioned so whatever they did or did not do is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]Stop stating things as fact, when you are way out of your depth. Every, repeat EVERY, private equity fund, venture capital fund and hedge fund, that has any foreign investors (and most that don't), have offshore entities and bank accounts. The entities are offshore for many reasons including the over-litigious nature of the US (thanks to no tort reform) and the prevention of taxes being withheld from the profits of foreign investors, who are supposed to be free from US taxes.

[quote=]Romney has conducted himself along these lines for years.[/quote]With all due respect, you are talking out your ass.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424623]Wrong. Romney's Swiss bank account was closed by his LAWYER in 2010, not coincidentally several months AFTER the initiation of the IRS amnesty program.[/quote]Since you know this to be fact, you won't mind sharing the proof that: 1) it happened as you state and 2) that it wasn't a coincidence.

[quote=]You claim Romney's account was declared in his 2007 tax returns. Where are his 2007 tax returns? Oh I forgot, nobody has seen them because Romney refuses to release anything before 2010.[/QUOTE]Why on earth should he release tax returns for years that are not required? To satisfy you and your ilk? That's a fool's errand. He is better off spending his time and energy focusing the debate on what a miserable failure the Marxist in Chief has been (that is if you look at his tenure from the perspective of someone who loves the USA).

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 424626]Since you know this to be fact, you won't mind sharing the proof that: 1) it happened as you state and 2) that it wasn't a coincidence.[/QUOTE]Romney will be pressured into releasing several more years of tax returns before the November election; the proof will be in the pudding.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 424625]Stop stating things as fact, when you are way out of your depth. Every, repeat EVERY, private equity fund, venture capital fund and hedge fund, that has any foreign investors (and most that don't) , have offshore entities and bank accounts. The entities are offshore for many reasons including the over-litigious nature of the US (thanks to no tort reform) and the prevention of taxes being withheld from the profits of foreign investors, who are supposed to be free from US taxes.

With all due respect, you are talking out your ass.[/QUOTE]I am well aware of the reasons for having off shore bank accounts and the functions / utilities they provide; I personally have / had almost a dozen off shore bank accounts (between personal and business) in three countries (outside) the USA over the years. As I stated, these sorts of tactics are perfectly fine for Jackson, me, Toymann, and any other fat cats who are not running for office but are unbecoming of a man aspiring to be POTUS.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;424608]What occurred is exactly what I stated in the earlier post: in private conversations with high level CPA's who formerly and currently work / worked for Ernst and Young and Deloitte it was revealed to me that Romney utilized (now) illegal tax avoidance schemes and participated in the IRS amnesty prior to 2010 to repatriate funds held in a Swiss bank account. I can tell you that the Ernst and Young conversations took place in Buenos Aires within the past ninety days.[/QUOTE]You need to go away dude. The past 90 days in BA? The gift that keeps on giving! Even esten will not come to your rescue! You are nothing more than entertainment dude. Keep rolling! Please site the high level CPA conference that is going on in BA right now? Please! Enquiring minds want to know! Happy Mongering All. Toymann

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 424620]I did a little looking on the internet. An account held by the Romneys at a Swiss bank was disclosed publicly in 2007 when he was running for president. The UBS / Voluntary Disclosure amnesty program wasn't until 2009. He disclosed the account 2 years before the amnesty program. So why would he publicly disclose the existence of the account to the public but not the IRS? That's nuts. It's very unlikely he had HIDDEN offshore accounts or knowingly participated in illegal tax schemes.

Let's call a spade a spade. What you wrote above are lies.[/QUOTE]You are dealing with an IDIOT! He couldn't even respond in the argentine cell phone thread in an intelligent manner! Enough said. Monger on All BUT SnakeBoy! Toymann