Black

No one knows better than you what to give yourself for your birthday. I am happy for you. I like your expression Tits on a Stick. How was the place was it full was there more girls than guy or the other way around. I have to go back because I meet nice girls in Black yes it is a bit more and paying more is not a problem it is getting your money's worth that is if Peneloppe Cruz would ask me 50,000 to fuck her I would pay it because I know she is worth it but if a beaten up chick ask me for 300p I think I am getting rip off there lies my problem. I always looks for the Classy type of girl something that stand out in the crowd and try to get my money's worth. Once again hope your time here will be your best birthday present.

DR,

It would be helpful if you told us how much you paid and for how long. Few mongers partake of the buffet at Black every night, but would nevertheless want to know how much it costs.

Interesting that you paid the "asking price." Sometimes the little head really does the thinking, doesn't it? We've all been there (and those who claim they haven't been there are lying).

[QUOTE=Hunt99]DR,

It would be helpful if you told us how much you paid and for how long. Few mongers partake of the buffet at Black every night, but would nevertheless want to know how much it costs.

Interesting that you paid the "asking price." Sometimes the little head really does the thinking, doesn't it? We've all been there (and those who claim they haven't been there are lying)[/QUOTE]The value monger splurged on his B-day and paid every bit of 600 yes 600 pesos. Must admit it was a combination of big and little head thinking. This was my 3rd cita with her, first time 300 three years ago, second time 450 and this time 600. It was early, there was not a ton of girls present and a fair amount of guys with Rolexes or psudo Rolexes. On another night perhaps I could have gotten her for 400 but didn't see it happening last night given the conditions.

In ref to the asking price, there was an offered price 1st and she just wasn't having anything to do with it. In the past she was usually willing to bargain a little. This makes two in a row at Black that have not bargained a centavo. I'm thinking that perhaps their mind set is if I can get two or three a week why fuck more. Another interesting thing, I didn't have any change for a cab (yes I know at 600 pesos she can pay for her own cab) When I offered to share one and have it drop her off at Black first, figuring it was 2:45 and she would be going back, She said she wasn't returning.

3 hours and as always she didn't fail to deliver anything I wanted. I fucked everything she had and she got me off three times in 3 hours. She absolutly has me dialed in. Shes just what I look for, tits on a stick, total hard body. Could have a little prettier face but certainly not lacking. Waist length blonde hair. Likes to talk during rest periods and is smart as well as pretty. If I could afford it I would have a pretty steady diet. Plus she digs chicks as well, we were talking about before leaving the club and there are a few she is pretty into.

I'm sure I won't see her until my next birthday, just can't afford it. Sol the little Paraguyan at Hook is 150 and is just as eager to please, not as pretty and doesn't have the boobs but shes certainly pretty enough and prolly more enthusiastic.

I really can't imagine anybody with the wallet to support it having a bad time with Anabel, look for the girl with the unicorn on her hip.

I think Jackson's tip sheet has to be updated to reflect the new chica drink prices of $80.00 ARS a pop.

Same thing with Shampoo where I made sure to verify that price quote three times before buying a chica drink.

Inflation seems rampant in BA these days.

These new drink prices are making chica negotiations more difficult. If you are prepared to pay $80.00 ARS for a drink what's wrong with paying $400.00 ARS for my pussy, they argue.

I went here last night for the first time. I wanted to see if these chica's were worth the 600 pesos I heard was the going rate.

40p to get in and a drink.

There were a shitload of chicas in here, probably 60. But the quality was ranging from a 40 year old trailer park looking skank to playboy quality. There were way more on the lower end of the scale. Plus this place is so dark its hard to see what your getting.

There were 3 stunner's in there that I tried to take home. I lost two with the requirement of BBBJ. The other would not negotiate until I bought her a drink, big no no in my book.

I was trying to spend my money here but I left with it in my pocket. This place is just average in my opinion. Not worth the money. This was the first time I had been here and I was looking for a trophy fuck on my last night here.

I'm giving up on Black. Used to love this place, but it has really changed.

-Yesterday, I talked to a girl who would not negotiate down from 300usd. When I asked if that price would let me fuck her for 2 hours, she said 'no way'. Then I should get a second girl.

-Prices at Black have trippeled over the last 3 years, but the quality of girls has gone way down. A 300usd girl in Black is no longer any better looking than a 300usd girl in NY. They used to be stunning compared to working girls in NY or London. The top 10% of Black girls used to be almost impossible to find in places like NY. Not anymore. Now they are like girls from a cheap NY escort agency.

What has happened? Why both the increase in price and the lowering of quality? The Argentinean economy is in better shape, so there are more and better paid jobs for beautiful women, but shouldn't the tripling of prices (eg at Black) outweigh that effect?

[QUOTE=Fedora]What has happened? Why both the increase in price and the lowering of quality? The Argentinean economy is in better shape, so there are more and better paid jobs for beautiful women, but shouldn't the tripling of prices (eg at Black) outweigh that effect?[/QUOTE]Allow me to answer your last question first: The improvement of the Argentine economy has NOTHING to do with the availability of "beautiful women" in the price range you speak about. These women at 600 pesos per night are making triple or possibly four times of what a female doctor, lawyer, or engineer make. They will never - repeat never - go back to a traditional occupation, mentally and educationally an impossibility. By the same token you are unable to head back to London without partaking in some overpriced punda; they are unable to break with fast and relatively-easy money for an ordinary job with ordinary hours. So your lack of raving beauties may be laid to the fact that THEY only need to work 2-3 nights per week, as opposed to the 5-6 nights - to meet their insatiable appetites for material goods (as we know they are not founding their retirement fund) You and your fellow "high-end" spenders may have temporarily impeded the supply chain. Don't worry, this will eventually correct itself. In 6 more months the "less beautiful" girls will have spent time in the gym, and at the make-up counters, and in the plastic surgeon's office.

Based on your posts of Dec. 12, 2006 - is all of this not clear to you? You tell us it would be "irrational" to NOT overpay for pussy in BA, when the going rate is so much higher in London. Using your logic, would it not be "rational" to pay 1000, or even 1200 peso - just think that is £50 pounds cheaper than at home! I think you have become a victim of your own buying power, having a fist full of pounds is a dangerous thing. Why do so many want to turn this place into their home country? This is NOT London, this is NOT Europe, and it sure the fuck is not the USA. You have overpaid long enough to have the local girls believing they are worth 930 Pesos, 300 USD, or 150 Pounds. So be it.

I do not understand the mentality of wanting to import one's culture, standards, and norms - when you know it will eventually destroy the exact situation you so much enjoy.

Do not take this as a personal attack, it is not. For the rest of you pound-holding-blokes, you can keep your knickers out of a knot as well.

[QUOTE=Fedora]I'm giving up on Black. Used to love this place, but it has really changed.

-Yesterday, I talked to a girl who would not negotiate down from 300usd. When I asked if that price would let me fuck her for 2 hours, she said 'no way'. Then I should get a second girl.

-Prices at Black have trippeled over the last 3 years, but the quality of girls has gone way down. A 300usd girl in Black is no longer any better looking than a 300usd girl in NY. They used to be stunning compared to working girls in NY or London. The top 10% of Black girls used to be almost impossible to find in places like NY. Not anymore. Now they are like girls from a cheap NY escort agency.

What has happened? Why both the increase in price and the lowering of quality? The Argentinean economy is in better shape, so there are more and better paid jobs for beautiful women, but shouldn't the tripling of prices (eg at Black) outweigh that effect?[/QUOTE]I don't think prices have "tripled" here over the past three years. Some girls were asking for 300 dollars an hour three years ago. If you don't believe me, go back and check the archives.

Quality ebbs and flows in this place and all the other ones in town. This is true not only on a yearly basis, but also from month-to-month and even from night-to-night.

The last chica I pulled out of here cost me about 300 pesos, or one-third of the price quoted to you last night. I know how to negotiate and know how to "move-on" when my first chica continues to demand too high a price.

Some girls would prefer to leave at the end of the night with 300 pesos - others would prefer nothing or 300 dollars, but will not settle for anything in between. And as always, the best of the best can charge the most.

Mongers,

The price situation at Black is a direct result of it positioning itself as the primary "tourist trap" hooker club in Buenos Aires. The concierge at the Alvear Palace, Four Seasons, Park Hyatt and Faena all send their horny clientel to Black. The rise in tourism, combined with the improved economy (meaning there are more businessmen in town staying in 5 star hotels with money to spend) and the increasing international exposure that Buenos Aires has been receiving combine to feed a steady diet of new blood to Black. Almost no matter what you say to a girl at this place, if you are from Europe or the USA they are going to equate you to all the other gringos that roll in and pay $200-$300 USD and will likely accept no less than that amount.

The good news is that there is absolutely no reason for anyone to ever waste their time in Black. I do not know any expats living in Buenos Aires that go to Black and pay the ridiculous prices. As I have stated in earlier posts, I have scewed two different girls that both work at Black, both gotten for $150 AR. If somebody wants guarenteed top end girls and wants to spend some money, go to Madahos and pay $300 AR ($400 AR with drinks) that is the absolute ceiling for what any resident would pay down here.

Suerte,

Dirk Diggler

That a boy Dirk. Start sending those clowns over to Madahos where they can really pay for some fine VIP poon. Should I just go ahead and copy and paste some of the complaints from this thread in the Madahos thread now or do you want to wait 6 months until the Madahos regulars start complaining about how all of the chicks won't leave for less than 400 pesos.

[QUOTE=Big Bob 7]... until the Madahos regulars start complaining about how all of the chicks won't leave for less than 400 pesos.[/QUOTE]Oh, that's coming all right.

I rarely post these days, simply because I have nothing new to add. However, I am planning to visit again this May, and I am very worried that my favorite hunting place is getting quite out of my price range (or may be not!)

I never paid more than 300 AR for TLN here (last visit May '06) and I would like to keep it that way. I even negotiated for other people. I found that negotiations in Black are much easier to do than that in Madahos.

Now, I must admit that I am going to BsAs for many years and I am willing to walk away when my price is not met. So for first timers, with limited knowledge in Spanish, and heart is all set for a Black chica, pay whatever you want and get it over with. I will never criticize anybody for paying any amount of money. As long as you enjoy the encounter, in my book, it's all worth it. And you are not pissing in anybody's pond by paying high price to a Black or Madaho chica. However, I would not pay more than 300 AR for a multi-hour session. I will simply call it a night, stop by Newport, make some small talk with other chicas, make a low-ball offer of 120 AR and willing to go home empty handed. And this is only possible, because I am not hungry!

So here are my suggestions. Pick a night for going to Black. I usually go Wednesday or Thursday night. Do a cheap session with a privado, cafe, or similar chica, early in the evening. You are no longer hungry! At my age, you might even feel a little tired. Go to Black around 1 AM. Prepare to nurse your drink (free with your entrance) for two hours. I am not a drinker, so I take a glass of coke and hold it as my passport for being there.

At this point, you will feel that your attitude has changed. All those beautiful chicas, no longer look that pretty. You start finding faults with all of them (you are in fact building up a solid defense mechanism within yourself, in case you have to walk away). Make a few mental notes of some prospective candidates (in my case never more than two or three I like on a given night). Do not start any dealing before 2 AM. I even wait close to 2:30 AM. Just enjoy the show until then.

At this point, you start with your negotiations. If they say, 200 USD.....my come back line is always-- "for a week?" So you walk away. This part is up to you. I still do all my dealings in Spanish which gives me some edge and I go from there.

By 3:00 AM, there is a mad rush sets in among chicas. The reality of going home alone became quite apparent. Last trip, I saw within 15 minutes, most of the chairs became empty. The girls, who were not willing to come down 15 minutes ago, were asking me for my final offer. It was a scene to behold. I had seen many deals being made even at 250 AR. However, I have my own problem. So if the girls I was interested in initially are no longer available (either already taken or holding down the price) I simply leave (as I said before, I am no longer hungry). If you can do that, you will be a great negotiator next time around. And in a way, the chicas will respect you.

I had many candid conversations with many Black chicas in the past. By now, I know lots of them. I see them every year. Rosie, still asks me, how come I never had a session with her. I hug her and whisper in her ear that she is still confusing "peso" with "dollar". Sometimes, I get angry and tell them why they were bullshitting me with 600 Peso, They know, I will never pay that. One of the girls finally admitted that there are lots of newbies willing to pay that amount.

Year before last, I saw two girls, who were head and shoulder above the general quality of the chicas there. I have no qualms, if anybody pays, some unusually high amount for them (I believe it was 300 USD). I talked to them for a long time, complimented them for their beauty and told in no uncertain terms that I know they are worth the price they are asking. Although, I could afford it, but I will not pay this obscene amount. These kids were round tripping by the hour!

Black is still my favorite club, I hope I feel the same way after my next visit in May.

Bandy

[QUOTE=HeadGames]Oh, that's coming all right.[/QUOTE]Was in there with a guy a few weeks ago and the cheapest counter offer was 450. I know a little later, with more effort less can be had but that was what happened.