Poor people are obese, and middle / upper class people are relatively in better shape.
[QUOTE=Black Shirt;422206]There you go. 42% of Americans will be obese by 2030. Unemployment and hunger should not be a major issue in the future.[/QUOTE]
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Poor people are obese, and middle / upper class people are relatively in better shape.
[QUOTE=Black Shirt;422206]There you go. 42% of Americans will be obese by 2030. Unemployment and hunger should not be a major issue in the future.[/QUOTE]
Esten, they did not reveret to the earlier finding only suggested they would consider it after the recommendation caused a firestorm of criticism.
I am sure you and the 'panel' know more about medicine and treatment than the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists or the American Cancer Institute, they are just dummies and don't know what they are talking about.
I love the way one post you put something out there then retract it in the next. I don't know when you have time to even post as you read the 2, 000+ pages of convoluted hyprocisy of the ObamaCare legislation, which will be a moot point come June.
On a separate note the 'panel' uses studies and 'models' of virtual patients to come to conclusions and don't seem terribly interested in listening to the folks with differing opinions in the medical profession who are actually PRACTING medicine not theorizing about it.
Looking weak Esten, looking very weak.
[QUOTE=Miami Bob; 422196]The teaparty folks are even more full of it. Let's bring back the good old days-1919.[/QUOTE]
Shut 'Er Down!
Doppel, when I read about the Socialist victory in France, I was reminded of you. Complaining at the slightest hint of cuts in government spending. If you're arguing the government should cover more in health care, not less, isn't that a Socialist position?
Here's a contrast for you. College student loans have been in the news recently. Both parties say they want to extend low interest rates on Stafford loans. Here's how each party wants to pay for the $6 Billion cost:
Republicans: By eliminating a preventive health program created by the Affordable Care Act.
Democrats: By collecting more payroll taxes from high-earning owners of some privately owned corporations.
[url]http://www.lifehealthpro.com/2012/05/07/ppaca-senate-turns-to-partisan-fight-over-student[/url]
Sure looks like the Republican Party is more interested in protecting the rich, than funding preventive health care.
Esten, why do you have such a hard time staying on topic?
I have always advocated the reduction in the unfunded liabilities of Medicaid and Welfare Programs; the continuation of funded programs such as Medicare and Social Security. The Government made a bargain with these folks when they started taking their money via payroll taxes; it's time to keep that bargain at the expense of the unfunded giveaway programs. Check your facts; Medicaid is growing at a much faster pace than Medicare.
According to you George Bush, the Republican Party or both are responsible for every ill which arises in the world. Either individually or both want to kill, starve, and enslave the population to the 'rich' and you can pick whichever demographic you wish. While in reality it is the Democratic Ruling Elite who wish to do this as we individuals are too stupid to know what is good for us and need their divine guidance to live our lives. Total B / S.
Ok here we go on your miscellaneous B / S you throw up to cloud the issue.
French elections IMHO herald the beginning of the end of the Euro Zone, with the new French president taking the path of your beloved Obama: Tax the Rich, Tax the Corporations, Increase Social Spending. The problem is there will quickly be no place to go to borrow the money and Germany will quickly grow weary of paying for others reckless spending. First Greece, then Portugal or Spain, then Italy followed by France begin defaulting and collapsing. At least England did not join the Euro Zone. Check our markets, they are already reacting to this scenario.
Student loan debt is now greater than all combined credit card debt and Obama's answer is to forgive, restructure and reduce interest even further. I am shocked that after the Stimulus and other wonderful packages Obama has given the nation these students don't have jobs after graduation so they can pay back the loans. Gee what happened, guess it must be George Bush, the Republicans or both conspiring against them.
Esten, nobody held a gun to their heads and made them take the loans and don't give me the B / S they had to have the money to go to school. I and many others in my generation worked our way through college, taking any menial, disgusting job that was available in a college town to get through, see my earlier post about this generation being "too good" to lower themsleves to this level of labor.
Esten, if all you got is Class Warfare you need to pack it in because your kungfu is getting pretty weak on that front my friend.
The republicans love to spew the religious Jesus bullshit at any fucking moment. Then they turn around and want to cut healthcare for the poor and elderly. This is exactly the opposite of the Jesus bullshit that they ranted about just before. What a bunch of dipshits.
[QUOTE=Miami Bob; 422196]Super packs will destroy the electorial process: the super pacts misrewpresent the truth and both side are not trustworthy.
The Mitt: the wallstreet crowd parades not half truths but maybe 25% truths:
[url]http://factcheck.org/2012/05/stimulus-money-for-jobs-overseas/[/url]
In the Miami market the ads were on shows ranging from the Sunday morning news shows to the afternoon flintstones-you can see I have far ranging tastes.
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The budget debates-both sides are telling lots of half truths, but Obama likely is more full of it than the Mitt.
[url]http://factcheck.org/2012/04/fall-preview-obama-vs-romney-and-ryan/[/url]
Factchecker makes an interesting read after all the baloney spread by the spin masters on both sides. Actually read the factchecker article completely is you are going to discuss the buget debate.
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The teaparty folks are even more full of it. Let's bring back the good old days-1919.
[url]http://factcheck.org/2012/03/tea-partys-targets/[/url]
The moderate voices in both parties should be silenced so only the most extreme irrational loud mouths with minimal thought attached to reality prevail![/QUOTE]Hey Bob:
I hope you're well. I'm sure you don't get all your views based on what "Factcheck" supposedly decides is the truth. But, it might be worth your time to check out who's behind that organization. The Annenberg Center for Public Policy can hardly be described as "neutral" or "centrist." They are a left-leaning organization. Garbage in. Garbage out.
If you dig a bit deeper, you'll see a description of who their "fact checkers" are. The vast majority are journalists. Some are from respected publications; others are not. But, there's one thing that that the vast majority of journalists in this country have in common: They are liberal. So, it's not surprising that their "results" show a consistent left wing bias. They can't maintain any semblance of credibility if they simply claimed Democrats are right all the time. They know that. So, like NPR, you see them slant their conclusions most frequently by what they choose not to mention and by what they leave out.
Finally, who in their right mind would willingly trust a bunch of journalists to be the arbiters of truth? They are supposed to deliver the facts without bias or preconception, but we haven't been close to that standard in this country in my lifetime.
Just my two cents, but you'd be better off relying on the Flintstones for your political truths.
See the movie 1911. [url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1772230/[/url]
Some one said If you Do not remember your history you will repeat it.
The Rich screwing over the poor.
When asked after the European banks declined to give money to the ruling Dowager, if the rich would give money to fight the poor peoples revolution, same as is now, they would not depart with their money. And it is the same as Now we the working people have to pay for your wars.
While the Rich make money and we suffer.
Greed Is Good.
Shame on You!
Fact-checker is the gold standard and writes detailed reports with footnotes to the original sources. Most hard right wingers use a ghetto site that is run by a couple with a backround in urban legends-snopes. The annenberg family at one time was one on the richest families in the USA. They endowed the place which is physically near the wharton school-all part of a lefty communist conspiracy. I guess we should rely on rush and fox new to report only the truth.
If you have what you believe is a consistently better source of information-please post a link. The point of the posting is that inaccurate half truths by the super pacts who favor both sides.
Are going to be spending massive amounts of $$ and neither side should be taken at face value. I suggest that you may wish to google factchecker and see what various people say about it. Carl rove-another lefty quotes factchecker.
Did you bother to read the analysis of the misrepresentations by both the left and the right taking you back to the original sources. I would be please to look at alternatives.
Please provide them. I like to see what the truth is rather than the cool aide poured out of the tv airwaves. Both sides are regularly fool of shit==that's what I get from factchecker.
[url]http://factcheck.org/about/[/url]
Dick chaney quotes it and the wallstreet journal calls in a reliable source-more lefty proproganda.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FactCheck[/url]
Vs.
Snopes.
[url]http://www.snopes.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/05/technology/05snopes.htm[/url]
Stan-any suggestions? I always try to have an open mind
Factchecker gives it good to Obama-naughty, naughty barak-your nose may grow like the little boy in the story. It is also interesting to note ryan's plan in 2012 is more generous to medicare recipients than in 2011. Yet we all know that ryan hasn't specified the other cuts required to be so generous with no specific increases in revenue. I wonder who gets the cuts and how. I wish I had a working crystal ball rather than factchecker.
Wouldn't it be nice to make everyone happy all the time. Have the bad guys in black hats and the good in white hats. All the hats seem to be varying shades of grey.
I wonder if reagan could be mainstream in today's republican party. Reading his diaries it is clear the reagan had personal concerns about the health of the middle class under his supply side economic policies.
FactCheck.org is an invaluable site IMO. Same for PolitiFact.org. I use them occasionally to check information on both sides. There are plenty of examples where these sites call out false information from the left, as well as from the right. I'm sure many people on both political sides use them.
Almost all the information we get is reported through the media; journalists are in the very best position to check who said what, and check what the sources were and their reliability.
Some conservatives have accused these sites of being biased to the left before, no doubt because these sites have helped expose the tremendous amount of misinformation on the right. It seems to me that a group that tries to discredit a fact-checking site, is a group that does not want the facts to be known.
Since you consider these two 'fact checking' sites to be without question the last word in unbiased unvarnished truth and then question anyone who doubts their veracity as not seeking the truth is about as rational as saying the main stream media, ABC CBS NBC MSNB CNN The New York Times et al, is not full of liberals who have slanted the news for years and amount to not much more than a cheerleading squad for Obama. Most of these folks have never been formally introduced to the truth and would not know it if it walked up and slapped them.
When you look at the number of positive and negative stories alone regarding the Anointed One vs any challenger the results speak for themselves.
A financially independent public policy research institution which discloses it's funding, is generally preferable to a site with google ads all over the place.
There are always prejudices anywhere. Factchecker seems to be balanced and generally respected by folks on the left and right-a gold standard within the context of what is available. If you assume that Fox News is superior, I would respectfully disagree. They don't publish linked footnotes when they provide the backstory and clearly have a marketing plan with an audiance to please or they lose $$
I am looking for a balance checking of the tag lines in 30 to 60 second tv spots. These spots may play a real role in the political future of the USA and major policy decisions. Private industry has billions at stake and motivation to control public opinion for reasons of maximizing profit, not necessarily the public good.
If I was working for Mitt, I would push that I have a goal of non-regulation of Wall Street and raise hundreds of millions for super packs to hire the best pr people to sway public opinion. The left has players with simular goals of self-interest.
I want to formulate my opinions based on the truth or as close to what is easily available, not propaganda. The state of the propaganda is troublesome for the health of a free electorial process while the USA is at a cross roads. I dout that god has pre-ordained that the USA will retain it's economic and scientific atvantages for ever.
Empires and great nations raise and fall. I hope that the USA can continue it's great experiment for another hundred years or more. Corruption of the political process does not bode well for the future.
Mr. D, you seem to be saying we can't trust anyone but the sourses of info which tend to support each person's world view. The is nothing close to the truth because all journalists are completely corrupt fraudsters. Somehow only the journals who support your world view are truthful and everyone else called "journalist" is corrupt.
Mr B, the first casualty of a political campaign, regardless of the party, is the truth. I believe we can agree on at least this point. While I don't trust any politician as far as I can throw them; that said I will vote for Mitt as he is the only alternative to Obama. It is truly a shame when you have to vote 'against' a candidate rather than 'for' one, which is the case this year again.
The major media sources I listed are so enamored with Obama there remains very little objective reporting as they fawn over his every word. While the 'fact checking' sites you cited are quick, they still shows its liberal underpinnings with many of their 'facts'. Fox News must be filling some need for 'truth' out there the other major players are not meeting or they would not be so successful. Look at all the Liberal shows that have been rolled out and subsequently fail. I don't believe Fox is the be all and end all in the truth market but they seem to come closer than most or they would not be so successful as an alternative to the other networks.
A good example of 'faulty fact checking' IMHO from these sites was Obama's reference to American oil reserves. He selected a 'fact' generated in the late 40's / early 50's which fit his version of the 'truth'. The reality of American reserves is totally different – check with the oil companies who have much more invested in finding, developing and bringing the product to market than a politician who hates carbon based fuels.
If pushing gas prices to $10 / gallon would make green technology grow then Europe should be 10 years ahead of us but they are not for the simple reason those technologies are not economically feasible. While Capitalism may not be a totally fair or equitable system it is much better than anything else out there.
A good story about politicians my grandfather told me years ago is as follows, he was born at the turn of the century:
A farmer goes into his barn and puts a jug of white lighting, a $20 gold piece and a Bible on a bench.
He then goes out and calls over his 18 year old son and tells him, 'Son I want you to go in the barn and you take what you think you need off the bench. '
The son asks his father why.
The farmer tells his son, 'You are almost a man now and I will know what sort of man you will be by what you decide to take. '
The son goes in the barn and sees the jug, the money and the Bible. He puts the $20 gold piece in his pocket, uncorks the jug taking a big swig, tucks the Bible under one are and the jug under the other, and then walks out of the barn.
The farmer looks his son over and exclaims, 'Damn another politician'
Another antidote on politicians comes from a Texas Ranger years ago:
"Aint nothing lower than a child molester but a politician."