2012 Elections in the USA

I am perhaps more naive than you. I, myself, like to have some idea as to the policy choice and thier implications. I am seriously asking if the bis a better sourse than factchecker. I need to use something. In our day to day lives, friends and families disagree politaclly more often than not. Factchecky generally shows boths to me lacking in veracity. BUT many times one side is more full of it than the other.

This new world of super pacts in something that john mcCain has been talking about most of his career-the corruption of the entire process is a qualitatively different place.

In the past I generally voted democractic-I voted for ronald reagan and have always read most of the available stuff about him. The mitt who was the moderate governor of mass I would vote for any time and any place. The deals he is making now will likelky lead me to Obama. I am the other side of your coin.

Have you seen The Last Emperor? It was about the same time in China, and a good movie.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 422268]See the movie 1911.

[url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1772230/[/url]

Some one said If you Do not remember your history you will repeat it.

The Rich screwing over the poor.

When asked after the European banks declined to give money to the ruling Dowager, if the rich would give money to fight the poor peoples revolution, same as is now, they would not depart with their money. And it is the same as Now we the working people have to pay for your wars.

While the Rich make money and we suffer.

Greed Is Good.

Shame on You![/QUOTE]

Truth, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder. We mongers know that. Yet, the beholden is often bound by circumstances often beyond his control or his ability even to understand himself. Uttering half-truths, rationalizing his behavior. Almost always, not guilty or insanity!

If nothing else, Obama's victory was a manifestation of new hopes / changes to an American political system that was / is broken, and McClain was just another tired retread of the old guard. Obama's victory was greeted joyously around the world (why? Think about that) , and history will show that it gave momentum to what we now call, the "Arab Spring". Most Americans were tuned out from that significance. The Wall St protests was an afterthought. Most polls show Americans wanted changes, but none that would affect them directly. Talk about dysfunctionality.

And so here we are in 2012. What do we have to show for it? Obama has not been the Messiah, he was not willing to be nailed to the cross. Yes, he was hijacked by the financial crisis, and from then on, his goal was relection. So, America will continue to stumble along, it's values and prestige decreasing everyday. But is Romney the answer? Well, he is if you believe in the status quo, and Big Business having the government in it's backpocket.

But life goes on, at least, I really have no complaints.

Let me start this off.

Why would you vote for either candidate?

I will start that the Republicans now think that Presidents Truman and Reagan are now too Socialistic?

Even though President Obama wants the same things as they did.

Watch MSNBC or HBO's Bill Mayer, and he is not a big fan of Obamas. As least watch hem for his jokes.
The best ones letely are about the Ex-Governor of Alaska. The quitter. They even made a movie about her on HBO. Watch it. I do feel sorry for Her. What a dummy.

And We All know that FOX is raceist.

Romney wants more money for his Morman (not Women) Cult. (His Rich friends, but not You!)

You Poor Mid Westerners.

And some dumb West Coast people that moved from their Mid Western Cities.

I have been in 71 countries trying to understand what other countries to really think about North American People.

What I am seeing on the AP site is that we are still playing and living parts in the old Movie."The Ugly Americans".

Come on Guys show that we are not as dumb! Speak up to these Republican Assholes they are!
Some dumb fuck has bumper stick for Romney, he has a nice BMW, but living in a shitty area and a dump, as I do.
How dumb can you be.
Romney is for the Rich, not you and Me.


Sorry Jackson YOU started This Thread!

Do you know what he said?

Bush said close the office on getting Ben Laden.

Obama said to reopen it and get him.

Check it on Google.

Everything Obama has done is within the law, which Bush did not do.

It's okay for WT69 to hate Republicans, Midwesterners, Mormons, Americans, and rich people. But people who watch Fox are racists.

When drones kill civilians and a Democrat is president he's a hero. If the same thing happens when a Republican is president then he and his buddies should go to jail.

WT69 should feel free to post whatever political drivel he wants on this board, but he believes that Republians and Libertarians should confine themselves to posting about poontang.

[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?5285-American-Politics-during-the-Obama-Administration&p=415924&viewfull=1#post415924[/url]

I see a pattern.

Bush and the Republicans would have killed more in the Wars, and just they voted for the more funds for the War.

The Republican southern land owners have always been Racist.

More slaves, so now since they can not use the blacks, they want to make you and me as their Slaves.

Are you so Blind?

Check the history of the United States.

The republicans Want Cheap Labor, in other words, NO UNIONS.

How about putting the Politicians on Social Security? Why do you and I have to pay for them.

I tried claiming them on my Tax Deductions. Why do they not count. I pay and you pay for these MotherFuckers as Exon would say.

Why do You Want to go back to the Same Bush Bullshit?

He put us in this Shit.

As ex Senator Bill Bradley said "Two Pit Bulls in One Ring gets Nowhere". It is not good for us people. But it looks the Republicans do not give a Shit about the People, only the Rich.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 422555]It's okay for WT69 to hate Republicans, Midwesterners, Mormons, Americans, and rich people. But people who watch Fox are racists.

When drones kill civilians and a Democrat is president he's a hero. If the same thing happens when a Republican is president then he and his buddies should go to jail.

WT69 should feel free to post whatever political drivel he wants on this board, but he believes that Republians and Libertarians should confine themselves to posting about poontang.

[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?5285-American-Politics-during-the-Obama-Administration&p=415924&viewfull=1#post415924[/url]

I see a pattern.[/QUOTE]

It appears we have the most racist administration in modern America's history. If Obama isn't flapping his mouth about Professor Gales and 'the police acted stupidly' he is injecting himself into the Zimmermann case without knowing one iota of what happened. Obama has a history of flapping his racist mouth before he can filter information through his peabrain mind. But what do you expect from someone who was spellbound by every word his racist pastor Jeremiah Wright uttered.

But we can understand Obama. He is a known quantity. What we cannot understand is how Obama's night of the living dead zombie supporters can suggest that non-supporters of Obama are racist.

Hey Tiny, hope you're doing well. There's no ban on posting here, post away.

The Obama campaign is now presenting to America Romney's "business experience". As they should. Romney thought all he had to do was refer to his business experience, and that people would believe he knows how to create jobs and is looking out for them. In fact the record shows he both created jobs and destroyed jobs, and in some cases cut pensions, whatever it took to maximize profit for Romney's equity firm. The GST Steel story is getting the most attention, it is worth a look to get some insight into this guy.

Romney Economics: Bankruptcy and Bailouts at GST Steel
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMndjLIQUFw[/url]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;422529]I have been in 71 countries trying to understand what other countries to really think about North American People.[/QUOTE]You have said this OVER and OVER Dude. Why would you assume that JUST BECAUSE you own a passport that makes you somehow in the know? At the end of the day, you are sadly just a UNION GUY that barely made it through high school. It shows in your political posts! As your union pension sadly isn't getting it done you now RAIL at the GOP. Isn't it Nancy and your crowd that should have provided you with a bettter LOT in life. Suggest YOU start railing at them. YOU don't KNOW WHAT YOU don't KNOW DUDE in spite of how many stamps ya have in your passport. Stupid is what stupid does. Toymann

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;422529]I have been in 71 countries trying to understand what other countries to really think about North American People.[/QUOTE]Yet another liberal myth: "The world doesn't like us!", accompanied by fervent hand-wringing and segueing into accusations that the USA is a "bad country".

Here's the reality:

Who gives a fuck about what other countries think about the "North American People"?

Do you think that other countries give a fuck about what we think about them?

Every country in the world makes their decisions regarding their own self-interests based upon what's best for their country, period.

Their decisions are never controlled by how well they are liked or disliked by the citizens of another country.

Thanks,

Jackson

Esten, don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Team Obama is downright lying in their political ad about GST demise.

Sorry Charlie, Romney had been gone for about 2 years when GST went down the pipes, in case you have not noticed our steel industry is in pretty bad shape due to foreign countries subsidizing then dumping their steel here.

I just love it when liberals get all indignant when companies cut pensions, you guys are no different than those assholes in Greece who demand they get their welfare checks even though there is no money.

You can't hand out pension money when the company goes under. No company, no job and damn sure no pension payments, check with the guys at Solyndra about it. Another one of Obama's shining examples of business.

Romney was the chief executive of Bain Capital when they acquired the steel company, and certainly influenced the way the firm did business. They issued $125 million of bonds, and out of that they paid themselves almost $40 million. Then they went to the bankruptcy court, and sought elimination of the pension plan.

I guess you didn't watch the video Doppel. You should. It's the worker's own words.

[QUOTE][u]John Wiseman, Steelworker[/u]: Bain Capital walked away with a lot of money that they made off of this plant because they took all of the money. We view Mitt Romney as a job destroyer.

[u]Jack Cobb, Steelworker[/u]: To get up on national TV and brag about making jobs when he has destroyed thousands of people's careers, lifetimes, just destroying people.

[u]David Foster, Lead negotiator[/u]: When it is a business model and when it is deliberate and when it is a thought out strategy on how to take the value out of a company in a reckless way and hurt others, and you then become a proponent of that strategy and talk about it as if it's the soul of capitalism and literally the soul of America, I think nothing could be more offensive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;422657]Sorry Charlie, Romney had been gone for about 2 years when GST went down the pipes, in case you have not noticed our steel industry is in pretty bad shape due to foreign countries subsidizing then dumping their steel here.[/QUOTE]Actually, 17 steel manufacturers went bankrupt that same year, including Bethlehem Steel, the largest steel maker in the country, all attributed to steel dumping by government subsidized foreign manufacturers.

Sorry to let the facts get in the way of a good emotional argument.

Thanks,

Jackson

Esten I have seen the ad and get real tired of the whining in it. The workers seem to think they are blameless in the demise of the firm.

Esten, GST issued the bonds and people bought them, so the people purchasing the bonds must have thought the company still had a chance to survive in the market place since no one forced them to by the bonds. Bain did not issue those bonds and as far as the pension plan, how many times do I have to say it, the company has to survive in the market place before there are jobs and pay checks much less pensions. Given the choice I am sure the workers would rather still have a job than a bankrupt pension plan due to the company folding. Why do liberals believe 'pensions' are a God given 'right'?

GST was not in good shape prior to Bain stepping in, so where is your ire for the prior owners who helped run the company into the ground in the first place? The lie serves Team Obama and your purposes to smear Romney who was long gone when GST went under, but never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

At least Bain used capital from willing participants who contributed their own money and not unwilling participates whose tax money was used to bail out GM, Chrysler to benefit Obama's allies in the UAW, or phony capitalism such as Solyndra and several others.

Industries in the US are constantly pricing themselves out of the market due to labor costs. This is not some socialist utopia where companies can produce products which cost more than they are sold for and remain in business.