American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 417001]Stan, Tiny, WW you are missing Esten's objective.

Esten does not object to seeing the majority of power and wealth concentrated in a minority of holders, his objective is for the power and wealth to be shifted from private companies and individuals to the government.

Once the government has amassed the vast majority of the wealth and power in the US then the government can redistribute it any way the government sees fit, making everyone "equal" except of course the government. [/QUOTE]Estenism = Marxism

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;417000]He Ran Before and chickened Out. He is a Pussy. Do we really need is a pussy in the WHITE HOUSE![/QUOTE]We've got a pussy in the White House now.

Case in point: Obama released his long form birth certificate yesterday, a move that was intended to embarrass those who were suggesting that he was hiding something. A lot of politicians would have been eviscerated by this move, but what does Trump do? He walks up to the microphone and takes full credit for [U]forcing[/U] the President to finally release his actual birth certificate.

Psyched!

I loved it!

This Presidential race could be very interesting: The do-nothing, inept, incompetent, in-over-his-head community organizer verses a proven, experienced, get-it-done negotiator who has made billions for himself and created tens of thousands of jobs.

Remember, Trump is the guy who [U]made[/U] a billion dollars doing business with the Chinese.

My guess is that Trump is getting inside Obama's head, and he's going to continue to mind fuck the current Pussy-In-Chief right through to election day.

ROTFLMAO!

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson; 417010]We've got a pussy in the White House now.[/quote]That is an insult to pussies the world over.

[quote=]Case in point: Obama released his long form birth certificate yesterday, a move that was intended to embarrass those who were suggesting that he was hiding something. A lot of politicians would have been eviscerated by this move, but what does Trump do? He walks up to the microphone and takes full credit for [U]forcing[/U] the President to finally release his actual birth certificate.

Psyched!

I loved it!

This Presidential race could be very interesting: The do-nothing, inept, incompetent, in-over-his-head community organizer verses a proven, experienced, get-it-done negotiator who has made billions for himself and created tens of thousands of jobs.

Remember, Trump is the guy who [U]made[/U] a billion dollars doing business with the Chinese.

My guess is that Trump is getting inside Obama's head, and he's going to continue to mind fuck the current Pussy-In-Chief right through to election day.

ROTFLMAO!

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]As previously stated, Trump will be my candidate in only one scenario. That said, I love that he keeps landing body blows on Obama.

Obama is bad for America. It can get any simpler than that. Anyone working toward replacing Obama in 2012, via constitutionally prescribed processes, it alright with me, provided it isn't someone who goes third party and splits the national majority that will be voting anti-Obama.

As for the whole birth certificate issue, the one that is responsible for it being an issue is also the one who looks dumbest in its wake. If he has always had it, why did he let it be a distraction for 2. 5 years? If it was as a political game or trap, it is more proof that he is the 'joke' president. If he was trying to create some sort of gotcha-trap, it blew up in his face, in large part because it was Trump who stepped into it rather than some pussy politician.

Again, I am no Trump fan (although I did read his first book about 20 years ago, can't remember the name of it though) but Trump is far more qualified to be president than Obama and Obama is the joke candidate between these two.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;417012]Again, I am no Trump fan (although I did read his first book about 20 years ago, can't remember the name of it though) but Trump is far more qualified to be president than Obama and Obama is the joke candidate between these two.[/QUOTE]To be perfectly candid, I think Trump is a Democrat, and this whole thing about him running for President, demanding transcripts and birth certificates, etc, etc, is just a stunt. We know the guy is in favor of abortion and has given more money to Democrats than Republicans over the years.

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I could care less about his position on abortion, but where he spends his political money is revealing. If he were on Wall Street or Silicon Valley, it wouldn't mean much. Those guys normally give mostly to Democrats, even though Dems would have you believe that Republicans are the "big money" party. But, for a property developer, this is highly unusual, even one in New York.

Beyond that, no one knows too much about his positions on anything. He hasn't been completely successful in business despite his current fortune, whatever that might be. He's filed bankruptcy personally and for numerous businesses he's started. So what exactly qualifies him to run the country? He's smarter than a community organizer? Okay, but if that's our threshold, then we're really screwed.

No one really knows his position on major issues, other than he thinks the country is going in the wrong direction, and he would hold his breath until the Chinese agreed to play fair. The guy is a joke, at best.

Watch as this knucklehead pulls a Lebron James and "announces" whether he'll run for President in some prime time event, where he sells the media rights. It only works if people are dumb enough to watch. Unfortunately, plenty are.

I like Trump in the same way that I like Big Time Wrestling: I know it's fake, so that makes it sort of fun. But, every once in a while, you run into someone who swears it's all real.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 417001]Stan, Tiny, WW you are missing Esten's objective.

Esten does not object to seeing the majority of power and wealth concentrated in a minority of holders, his objective is for the power and wealth to be shifted from private companies and individuals to the government.

Once the government has amassed the vast majority of the wealth and power in the US then the government can redistribute it any way the government sees fit, making everyone "equal" except of course the government. [/QUOTE]Doppelganger, I think I get it now. The governments' share of the economy grew from 35% to 42% during the Bush and Obama administrations. Esten and Moveon (if he's still with us; if not, may he rest in peace) believe this is a good thing. And they rightly question how the government can stay afloat when it's spending a lot more than it's taking in. They think Art Laffer and Milton Friedman were idiots. That there's no way, for example, that you'd see the tax revenue from capital gains increase if you cut the marginal tax rate on capital gains. They also think we're idiots. If big government is a good thing, then the low tax policies we believe in would bankrupt America.

I don't think that they realize that people who believe in liberal economics, like Stan, WW, you and me, didn't necessarily buy into mainstream Republicans' spending binge in the last decade. In any event, when it comes to spending more than we take in, Obama is like Bush on speed.

We want to see government shrink. I personally don't want to live in a country where the government is 42% of the economy. Unfortunately, while I believe our type is in the majority right now, in 10 or 20 years, I think we're going to be the minority. The Esten's and Moveon's will control the USA, which will come to look more and more like the socialist economies of Europe before they started to reform. It's time to start thinking about moving.

[QUOTE=Stan Da Man;417015]To be perfectly candid, I think Trump is a Democrat, and this whole thing about him running for President, demanding transcripts and birth certificates, etc, etc, is just a stunt. We know the guy is in favor of abortion and has given more money to Democrats than Republicans over the years.[/quote]I completely agree. Bloomberg ain't no 'publican neither.

[quote]I could care less about his position on abortion, [/quote]Anybody with brains and the sack to speak the truth, can find the answers to vexing problems within the Constitution and our founding documents. I doubt trump has ever read it.

I will say it for the millionth time, abortion is not a presidential issue. If nothing else has been proven, over the last sixty years, we know for a fact that the legislature will never, ever take up the issue of abortion because they are scaredie cats. Therefore, it is virtually impossible for the POTUS to impact the issue of abortion in any substantive manner.

[quote=]but where he spends his political money is revealing.If he were on Wall Street or Silicon Valley, it wouldn't mean much. Those guys normally give mostly to Democrats, even though Dems would have you believe that Republicans are the "big money" party. But, for a property developer, this is highly unusual, even one in New York.[/quote]Excellent points. If he's donated to liberals because of business, he is buying access or expecting quid pro quo (a felony in these here parts). Otherwise, it is indicative of what he believes and who he wants in office. Given his profession, as you so aptly pointed out, it is almost unimaginable that someone in the business of owning real estate would ever support a liberal (think regulation).

[quote=]Beyond that, no one knows too much about his positions on anything.[/quote]I suspect that most of his political opinions are about as well-formed as my daily constitutional.

[quote=]He hasn't been completely successful in business despite his current fortune, whatever that might be. He's filed bankruptcy personally and for numerous businesses he's started.[/quote]He was too big to fail in the early 90's. Citi held the paper on at least three of his buildings in NYC and could not let him go down.

[quote=]So what exactly qualifies him to run the country? He's smarter than a community organizer? Okay, but if that's our threshold, then we're really screwed.[/quote]But less screwed with a President Trump than our current Joke President.

[quote=]No one really knows his position on major issues,[/quote]I bet this is in large part due to not having any. I wonder how much time he has spent pondering the precarious situation that exists in Pakistan (have nukes, loads of US state-of-the-art weaponry and strong national interest in having islamofascists run the country) or the potential outcomes of simultaneous regime change in Syria, Egypt and Libya.

[quote=]other than he thinks the country is going in the wrong direction,[/quote]Well, he agrees with a huge majority of Americans on one issue, at least.

[quote=]and he would hold his breath until the Chinese agreed to play fair.[/quote]Might want to give the WH janitor a heads up about cleaning up his exploded head.

[quote=]The guy is a joke, at best.[/quote]Agreed. Thankfully, the butt of the joke is Obama.

[quote=]Watch as this knucklehead pulls a Lebron James and "announces" whether he'll run for President in some prime time event, where he sells the media rights. It only works if people are dumb enough to watch. Unfortunately, plenty are.[/quote]Wouldn't surprise me at all.

[quote=]I like Trump in the same way that I like Big Time Wrestling: I know it's fake, so that makes it sort of fun. But, every once in a while, you run into someone who swears it's all real.[/QUOTE]I love it. I just want to see him get Obama in the Sleeper Hold.

The whole Trump show / birther story is comical entertainment. Obama released his long form to put an end (hopefully) to the media circus that Trump whipped up, not because Trump (as he believes) forced him to. I will say the media (all sides) was as much to blame as Trump. He and the GOP come out looking bad on this one. I think Republicans are relieved Obama did what he did.

Once in a blue moon Stan and I agree on something. Trump is indeed a joke. Not even worth the time to talk about, but I wanted to share my personal favorite recent Trump quote.

It's not when he stepped up to the microphone in New Hampshire yesterday and began with "Today I am very proud of myself."

Not when he talked about taking Libya's oil.

Not when he said he'd get tough with OPEC and force them to lower the price of oil.

Not even how he mentions his TV show in almost every interview. Heck in his press conference yesterday he even mentioned the date of the final show.

Those are all great laughs. But the very best was his interview with CNN's John King yesterday. When King was questioning whether it was hypocritical to bash China while buying from China to make a profit, Trump got irritated and responded "You're supposed to be this great reporter even though your ratings are no good." LMAO!

Just so it's clear: [u]Taxing business is not a main focus or objective of mine.[/u]

Yes you read that correctly. That is not to say I wouldn't ever support it. I would support ending tax breaks for Big Oil, and even a tax on Big Oil profits to fund clean energy. But in general, while I do think we have a major problem with businesses (mainly Big Business) distributing vast amounts of wealth back to the wealthy, higher corporate taxes won't likely help change that.

As I've said before, what I do strongly support are tax increases on individuals. Namely:
- Slightly higher taxes on middle incomes.
- Moderately higher taxes on higher incomes.
- Tax capital gains at the personal income tax rate. Top earners should be paying a 45% rate on capital gains, not 15%.

Tiny - I am glad to see you can be reasoned with. Though I wish you wouldn't make wild statements to begin with. You are correct, it is possible to bankrupt companies with higher taxation. It has to be done selectively and responsibly, if at all. See above, it is not a big focus of mine. I also recognize that raising taxes on a small business owner can affect his business. It has some validity. Unfortunately giving him a pass on a tax increase gives a pass to all the non-business owners in his bracket as well. At the thresholds and small increases we're talking about, basically going back closer to Clinton-era rates, there is no reason this should be an issue. Except of course in the eyes of a self-interested businessman.

We have a revenue problem, not just a spending problem. The single most important thing we can do is raise taxes on middle and especially upper incomes, who have benefitted by far the most from declining rates since Reagan.

[QUOTE=Jackson; 417010]We've got a pussy in the White House now.

Case in point: Obama released his long form birth certificate yesterday, a move that was intended to embarrass those who were suggesting that he was hiding something. A lot of politicians would have been eviscerated by this move, but what does Trump do? He walks up to the microphone and takes full credit for [U]forcing[/U] The President to finally release his actual birth certificate.

Psyched!

I loved it!

This Presidential race could be very interesting: The do-nothing, inept, incompetent, in-over-his-head community organizer verses a proven, experienced, get-it-done negotiator who has made billions for himself and created tens of thousands of jobs.

Remember, Trump is the guy who [U]made[/U] A billion dollars doing business with the Chinese.

My guess is that Trump is getting inside Obama's head, and he's going to continue to mind fuck the current Pussy-In-Chief right through to election day.

ROTFLMAO!

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]Obama may be all that you described, but your dislike of him bordered on the psychotic. You and Trump probably share quite a few similar characteristics. Please note, this is not a personal slur.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;417026]Obama may be all that you described, but your dislike of him bordered on the psychotic. You and Trump probably share quite a few similar characteristics. Please note, this is not a personal slur.[/QUOTE]I don't hate the man, I hate the damage that his incompetence is doing to our country.

As for Trump: Telling me that I share some personality characteristics with a self-made billionaire is a complement.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Esten;417023]We have a revenue problem, not just a spending problem.[/QUOTE]Obviously, we have a philosophical difference of opinion about this, but your comments do remind me of my ex-wife, who was fond of saying "[I]I don't have a spending problem, you just need to give me more money![/I]"

Mongers-

What Jackson is not telling us is that his first ex-wife had a striking resemblance to both Aunt Jemima and Michele Obama. This is real reason he hates Obama so much; he is secretly envious of the fact that Barry is married to someone who looks like his ex and that Obama's Kenyan grandmother looks like Aunt Jemima.

Suerte,

Rock Harders

[QUOTE=Rock Harders; 417044]Mongers-

What Jackson is not telling us is that his first ex-wife had a striking resemblance to both Aunt Jemima and Michele Obama. This is real reason he hates Obama so much; he is secretly envious of the fact that Barry is married to someone who looks like his ex and that Obama's Kenyan grandmother looks like Aunt Jemima.

Suerte,

Rock Harders[/QUOTE]Fortunately, my ex-wife was a stripper whom I first met while she was performing on stage at a club in Tucson, and...

Trust me on this: Aunt Jemima, Michele Obama and any look-alikes may rest assured that they are safe from my sexual overtures.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Stan Da Man;417015]He hasn't been completely successful in business despite his current fortune, whatever that might be. He's filed bankruptcy personally and for numerous businesses he's started.[/QUOTE]Stan,

With all due respect, I've never met a successful businessman who didn't have at lease one business failure under his belt.

Thanks,

Jackson

Mongers-

RE-ELECT OBAMA! He finally got the job done that the Neo-Con War Criminals couldn't despite their eight years in office. If the Neo-Con War Criminals hadn't illegally and unnecessarily invaded Iraq this day would have probably happened many years ago. RE-ELECT OBAMA!

Suerte,

Rock Harders